From jaynet@concentric.net Sun Sep 29 18:39:05 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA18980 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:39:00 -0500 Received: from tribune.concentric.net (tribune.concentric.net [199.3.12.34]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA21317 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:54 -0500 Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [199.3.12.45]) by tribune.concentric.net (8.7.5/(96/09/19 1.3)) id TAA18998; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:38:52 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from crc3.concentric.net (cnc117048.concentric.net [206.173.44.48]) by cliff.cris.com (8.7.5) id TAA12877; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609292338.TAA12877@cliff.cris.com> X-Sender: jaynet@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: telusa@cs.wisc.edu From: JAY Please include these in your list. jaynet@concentric.net gollamuj@toysrus.com jayg@juno.com jay@cybermatics.com Thanks, Jay From sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil Mon Sep 30 06:27:26 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA23363 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:27:21 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA26227 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:27:10 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA14242 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:25:09 -0500 Received: from anvil.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.184.16]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA14233 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:24:37 -0500 Received: from [132.250.185.112] (k-sadananda.nrl.navy.mil) by anvil.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/4.7) id AA16154; Mon, 30 Sep 96 07:24:14 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:25:40 -0400 To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) From: sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil (sadananda) Subject: Re: Rule for sunna in transliteration Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Sri Ramana gaaru worte: >I am very close to releasing lekha-1.0 which will let you view >Telugu in netscape. ................ >And that is sunna generation. Here is what I am talking about. Suppose >you have a word like 'saranjAmA'. RIT automatically writes a sunna >after 'ra' instead of a ja-vattu under 'na'. Basically it looks at the >following letter to determine whether it should be sunna or something >else. The curent rule is > > n followed by k K g G c C j J T D t d p P b B >or m followed by k K g G c C j J T D t d p P b B l L s S h H v > >is a sunna. Ramana gaaru - First my congratulations. I am providing some of the rules I learned in sanskrit. Rules for anunaasika - Normally in sanskrit - anuswara followed by varga letter takes their respective anunaasika letters. In ITRNS ( I am not sure about the RIT - should be followed by the same way) ex. shanka - it becomes shaN^ka for ka kha ga gha N^ pancha panJNca for ca cha ja jha JN kanTa kaNTa for Ta Tha Da Dha N pantha pantha for ta tha da dha na kanpa kampa for pa pha ba bha ma In telugu this is not strictly followed. bindu sunna is used for all. To differentialte the words like kantaa and kannu - one with bundu and the with samyukta. one has to establish a convention, if it is not followed. In ITRNS they use .n versus n to separate the two. To avoid, use of n and m and the bindus and anuswaras - one suggestion is to follow .n or .m for bindus and bare n and m for the samyukata or vattus. Or any other convenient scheme. In reading, those who are familier with the language will make it out but if you translate into the telugu fonts, convention has to be established to separate them. Regards Sadananda > > >In my view this is a bad rule because, it makes words like >'pAnpu' as instead of > >Comments, opinions, suggestions? > > >Ramana From juvvadi@horizoncomp.com Mon Sep 30 09:46:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA26177 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:46:25 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA28316 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:46:23 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA14690 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:44:57 -0500 Received: from cygnus.horizoncomp.com (cygnus.horizoncomp.com [204.91.181.9]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA14677 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:44:46 -0500 Received: (from juvvadi@localhost) by cygnus.horizoncomp.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA22559; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:42:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:42:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199609301442.KAA22559@cygnus.horizoncomp.com> From: "Ramana R. Juvvadi" To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Subject: Re: Rule for sunna in transliteration In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) sadananda writes: > Sri Ramana gaaru worte: > To avoid, use of n and m and the bindus and anuswaras - one suggestion is > to follow .n or .m for bindus and bare n and m for the samyukata or vattus. Actually, RIT has a way of forcing either a pollu(n^ or m^) or sunna (n& or m&). The problem is what to use for default. As I said in my previous post, I think the default should be As the last syllable: m e.g rAmam --> ^ n e.g rAman --> In the middle of the word: m followed by p P b B l L s S h H n followed by k K g G c C j J T D t d Think about it and let me know. Ramana From sdokka@st6000.sct.edu Mon Sep 30 10:49:50 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA27538 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:49:41 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29493 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:49:39 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA14988 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:48:13 -0500 Received: from st6000.sct.edu ([168.28.176.249]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA14979 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:47:58 -0500 Received: by st6000.sct.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18746; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:47:46 -0400 From: sdokka@st6000.sct.edu (Ramabhadra Dokka) Message-Id: <9609301547.AA18746@st6000.sct.edu> Subject: Bagna vINa - some impressions... To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2412 Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Some of the pieces from great poets leave a lasting impression on the mind by their rhythmic beauty and/or by their emphasis of feelings/sentiments and the thrust of emotions. I posted some impressions of this sort on some of Rabindranath Tagore's works before and I believe that this is true irrespective of the language and our TELUGU is no different. There are many pieces which fall under this category and AcArya dEvulapalli kRshNa SAstry's "Evi tallI niruDu kurisina hima samUhamulu..." is one among them. Here are some more impressions and my fledgling attempts in putting them into words -- Bagna vINa.. ____________ evaru cEsina aparAdhAnikO nIvu cellincE yI parihAram ? evari mATanu nilapaDAnikO nI tapanA, ArATam ?? evari mouna gItamO nI gontulO palikincEdi ? evari gunDe kOtanO nI vEdana pratidhwanincEdi ?? asalu - prEmanu kOrukonaDam khAyamgA pApamE, hRdayamannadi vunna vAriki gAyapaDaDam SApamE.. garaLamu gaLamandu yuncI vilapincaka O vipancI, vArincI, bujjagincI, nI gunDe tIgalu kadilincI, maryAdala maBya peTTi, nIdu gontuka savarincI, mamatA mathanampu sudhalu, rAga nidhulanu mAku pancI, Alapincina nADu nI sari lEdu lEdanu lOkamE, Alakincadu nIdu gODu nEDu migilenu SOkamE.. mUla cErina nIdu jIvana nAda jharuluppomngagA, SRtini kUrci, gatini mArcE, kAlamE arudencugA, ninnu valacI, edanu talacI, nIku jata tAnavvagA, kOri cErunu hRdaya mokkaTi, kOTi sparSala mITagA, aTTi rOjokaTundi tallI, maruva bOkumu sOdarI, tallaDillaku, tapana cendaku, mArpu tathyamu mAnavI.. asalu muddAyepuDu dorakaDu, Atma vancana dOshamu, evaridO yI nEramu, nIkendukO yI mounamu ?? pagalu rAtiri paradhyAnapu Siksha nIkai vEsukOku, digulu cendi, vagaci, vagaci gunDe baruvunu pencukOku, ASa tRncaku, alamaTincaku, vartamAnamunandukO, gatamu talacukO, Bavita malacukO, Gana vijaya pathamunu encukO !! and here is an attempt at the translation of the gist -- ** Who's mistake is it, that you assumed the responsibilty for ? Who's promise is it, that you are trying to keep ?? Who's song is it, that you are setting to a sorrowful tune ? and Who's cry is it that you are claiming a right to own ?? Whoever may be the culprit, Pain is the compensation paid, for having a heart !! ** Comments ? criticism ?? You are welcome.. regards.. - Ram (Ramabhadra Dokka from sdokka@st6000.sct.edu) From ram_ramarao@trigate.tri.sbc.com Mon Sep 30 12:47:45 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00459 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:47:40 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA02135 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:47:39 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA15407 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from sbctri.tri.sbc.com (sbctri.tri.sbc.com [144.60.1.10]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA15398 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:46:06 -0500 Received: from trigate.sbc.com (trigate.tri.sbc.com [144.60.55.150]) by sbctri.tri.sbc.com (8.7.4/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA06139 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Date: 30 Sep 1996 12:40:56 -0500 From: "Ram Ramarao" Subject: Re: Bagna vINa - some impres To: "*Will post to SCIT also*" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Reply to: RE>Bagna vINa - some impressions... -------------------------------------- Date: 9/30/96 10:55 AM To: K.V.S. Ramarao From: *Will post to SCIT also* "There are many pieces which fall under this category and AcArya dEvulapalli kRshNa SAstry's "Evi tallI niruDu kurisina hima samUhamulu..." is one among them." This piece is by SriSri not Devulapalli. From KP26.PRASAD@KODAKO.KODAK.COM Mon Sep 30 13:47:19 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA02344 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:47:09 -0500 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03440 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:47:07 -0500 Received: from kodako.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA18292 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:46:48 -0400 Received: by KODAKO.KODAK.COM (Soft*Switch Central V4380P7A) id 581939110096274FKP26; 30 Sep 1996 11:39:11 GMT Message-Id: Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:39:11 GMT Reply-To: From: "CHODAVARAPU PRASAD" Subject: dvyarthi kAvyAlu To: telusa@CS.WISC.EDU Comment: KP26 PRASAD 09/30/96 11:39:56 EKSMTP To: TELUSA --EKSMTP telugu sAhityam From: CHODAVARAPU PRASAD Subject: dvyarthi kAvyAlu &&&telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu "rAghava pAnDavIyam" and "nalanaishadham" -- heard these two names a lot of times at school, in quizzes etc. but never got a taste of the poems from these "dvyarthi" kaavyAlu. is it possible for any of the telusaers to post a couple of poems from each of these two along with necessary explanations? should be a lot of fun. please do mention about the authors. regards prasad --- 26 H, Norwich Dr., Rochester NY 14624 Phones: (716)594-9413(R) and (716)726-9887(O) Fax: (716)253-1542