From vasu@india.hp.com Mon Aug 26 02:13:16 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA23901 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:13:11 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA13203 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:13:10 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA03742 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:11:36 -0500 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA03733 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:11:01 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA158193548; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:12:28 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA06249; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:45:14 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608260745.AA06249@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: HomePage. Improvements To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (Telusa & SCIT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 12:45:13 IST X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi all, I visited the telusA URL. There are too many messages. It will be better if we provide SEARCH button and forms. That makes selective reading easier. Search both for a name, words in the contenets any such thing. Most of the 'document archive" sites that I go to do have a facility of this kind. Thanks, ------------------------ vasu : vasu@india.hp.com ------------------------ From vasu@india.hp.com Mon Aug 26 02:37:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA24162 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:37:25 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA13327 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:37:24 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA03844 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:35:50 -0500 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA03835 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:35:47 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA189215036; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:37:16 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA06277; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:10:04 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608260810.AA06277@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: telusA & SCIT. Not same ? To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (Telusa & SCIT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 13:10:03 IST X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi all I found the posts to teh telusA and to SCIT aren't the same. In my poems (First Dose, 2 poems), I have add a note that appeared in telusA but not in SCIT. I used the address telusa-scit..... Why ? What happened ? -- Regards & Thanks Vasu. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao * Internet: vasu@india.hp.com | |Hewlett Packard * Telephone: 91-80-2251554 x 1211 | |International Software Operations * Fax: | |29, Cunningham Road * Voice Mail: | |Bangalore - 560 052 * Telenet: | |I N D I A * | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil Mon Aug 26 06:19:41 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA25608 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:19:36 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA14423 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:19:35 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA04327 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:18:00 -0500 Received: from anvil.nrl.navy.mil (anvil.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.184.16]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA04318 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:17:56 -0500 Received: from [132.250.185.112] (k-sadananda.nrl.navy.mil) by anvil.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/4.7) id AA02531; Mon, 26 Aug 96 07:18:13 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:19:28 -0400 To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) From: sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil (sadananda) Subject: How about some shrungaaram for a change? Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) shrungaara padyaalu I cannot believe my father wrote these! These were written way before I was born. Guess that explains! His recording says that they were written on August 8, 1940. There are many sanskrit poems with shringaara rasa by him of this type written when he was a shiromani student, I will present those in the Sanskrit Digest, where members of that group do not have the prejudices that it is some archaic language. Just to take the minds out of serious discussions involving scaling Bhagavaan Paaraasarya with our yard sticks drenched with, in advaitic terminology, our ahankaara janita aJNaanapuurNa viJNaana(this is not intended to flame any body - in advaitic philosophy all distinctions - sajaati, vijaati and swagata bedhaas, including obviously the castes and genders, are due to aJNaana or avidya), here are some shringaara padyaalu to enjoy. shringaara rasa is the life giving most beautiful rasa and should be enjoyed as such either in poetry or in life. shringaaram is only between two willing partners, otherwise it is biibhatsam. This is the bedroom scene where kavi alone has the capacity to enter and observe what goes on outside and inside the minds of the two partners. nidhuvanamu means kalayika. nidhuvana kinna Kuntimaddi Seshasarma chedarina yungurul vadana siima kokaanoka jOva kuurpa, pa llodavina mOvi kempudaLu krotta rati shrama binduraadini- nnudiTi nalakrimpaga manOharu nakkuna vraala nOrtu pa yyeda digijaari pOvaga vayaaramugaa vali gubbalottuchun. arudagu purushhaayitamu nandu paTiiramu pETulettagaa kara nakhara prachaaramula ganna samungava miidi haaramul taraLamulai tuTadguNamulai veda jallaga muktiyambulan kari shiramandu mutyamulu galguTa satyamaTanchu dOcheDin. tolagina chiira nunDi aradOpaga manmatha mandirambu gu bbaluvasi vaaDiyun kanulu panDuvugaa muDiviiDinaTTi kun talamulu naavarimpa jaghanam bapuDE dR^iDabandha muktiyai lalana nijEshu kangoneDi lajja gubul kona nOra chuupulan. palu mona gaaTlakun daliru vaatera gampamu nonda gabbi gu bbalu nalagOTi gichhulaku paaDina piiDanakun galanga pai dali naDu mallalaaDu ratidhaaTiki nirbhara sanghamuktiyai jalagenu manmathunDu jevi jErachi viiDina naariyO yanan. chikku vaDen shirOjamulu chindara vandara nonda haaramul chekkulu jEvurimpa priyu sEtalakun jaghanambu novva no kkokkari uurudamshikula kurulu tallaDamanda bandhapun jikkulu viiDiyun puvvula sajjane kOmali didda juucheDin. --------------------------- Obviously this kOmali did not run behind the pillar to adjust herself like the kantaaratnam in the poem posted sometime back by Sri Veluri gaaru. Hari Om! Sadananda K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 ______________________________________________________________________________ What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him: Swami Chinmayananda ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil Mon Aug 26 08:02:02 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27787 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:01:45 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15122 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:01:44 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA04539 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:00:09 -0500 Received: from anvil.nrl.navy.mil (anvil.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.184.16]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA04530 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:00:05 -0500 Received: from [132.250.185.112] (k-sadananda.nrl.navy.mil) by anvil.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/4.7) id AA02748; Mon, 26 Aug 96 09:00:20 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:01:35 -0400 To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) From: sada@anvil.nrl.navy.mil (sadananda) Subject: some more B.G.!! Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) I had a very detailed and exhausting question from a member related to the topic that Sri Satyanaaraayana gaaru brought and followed subsequently. I wanted to respond to this member directly at first, but after seeing Sri Veluri's discussion, I decided to post this to telusa as well as SCIT hoping that it will help in providing some clarification. I am not justifying Vyasa nor Krishna - they do not need my justification. Although I promised not to lecture any more, since this questioner asked for clarification and also asked me not quote his name I am giving my understanding and the references of the sloka. This also follows the question of Sri Venu Dasigi raised related why did Vyasa write in such a way that can lead to misinterpretation. 1. References to Swami Chinmayaanada's works: a. "Holy Geeta" - bound volume with commentary b. "The Bhagavad Geeta" - sanskrit text, transliteration, word-by-word meaning with the commentary - paper-back volumes -with several chapters grouped in sets. Good one to possess if one is interested in pratipada artha. This B.G. should be studied ' as Srini indicated with appropriate background understanding of the terminology - This can be obtained by the introductory book by Swami Chinmayananda - "Manual of Self Unfoldment" - It is this text, first studied in the study groups in Chinmaya Mission before they take up giita or Upanishads. Otherwise one can get easily lost in the understanding of Atma, Paramaatma, jiivaatma etc. I found Swamiji books are much more logical and analytical. The books can be ordered through Chinmaya Mission Tri State Center in Philadelphia where the Chinmaya book distribution is there. I donot have address off hand but can be searched through Nescape with Chinmaya - In the first chapter Arjuna rattles and sugar coats his inability to face his duty by brining adharma and inter-caste deterioration and female degradation as a causality resulting from war. In the vishaadha yoga, Vyasa pictures a confused state of Arjuna - through Arjuna our own internal struggles between values. It is the inner conflict that every one goes through not just Arjuna - between what need to be done as duty versus emotionally driven impulse generated actions. If it is just Arjuna's caste problem and how to face his war, then it is a temporal problem and Krishan would have given a temporal solution to it and did not have to go through an exhaustive 700 slokas of explanation. Recognizing his problem Arjuna asks for shreyas -Ch.II-7&8 - because of kaarpaNya dOsha I do not know what is right and wrong and please tell me what is shrEyas (not just what I should do) considering all aspects - nishchitam bruhi mE tat and surrenders as sishaya - Until he finds Arjuna as shishya - Krisha does not begin giitOpa desha - He dismisses all arguments of Arjuna with one stroke - You are talking like a punDit quoting the dharma shastraas while ashOchanya manva shOchatsvam - grieving for those who does not grieved for --etc. and from thenon gives the highest philosophy in the next 15 slokas in terms of nature of atma. One has to go through these texts studying the implication and discussing slowly. Referring to varnaasrama - Krishan discusses in the IV - 13 which everybody quotes justifying the existence of caste system in India. it says: chaaturvarNyam mayaa sR^ishhTam (people only quote up to this without the next part which says) guNa karma vibhaagashaH. Based on guNa and Karma(action) the four varNaas I have created. First notice there is no birth specified. GuNaas are satva, rajas and tamas these are discussed exhaustively but mostly in the 14th chapter. Satva is predominated by the intellectual activiity with least ahankaara, mind purified from all self centered ego driven desires. In pure bhakti or pure JNyaana - in bhakti recognizing that he is the doer and not me and all actions are by Him to Him; and in JNaana -understanding that I am a subject and not an object while the body, mind and intellect that perform are instruments belonging to prakR^iti - it is a saakshiibhava RajO guna is that which propels one to vigorous actions induced by desires arising from innate tendencies - vaasanas - likes and dislikes - Tamo guNa manifests as ignorance, laziness, procrastination etc. Every one has these guNaas in different proportion. A Brahman - Brahman charati iti BrahmanaH, one who travels towards Brahman, is the one who has predominantly satvaguna - Or it is the other way around - one who has predominance of satvaguna, he is a true Brahman. One who has predomiinance of Rajo guna with satva next and tamas next is kshatriya. one who has predominance of RajO guna with tamas next and satva next is vais= ya one who has Tamo guna predominant followed by rajas and satva is sudra. Nature of guna dictates the activities - that is why Krishan says based on guna and Karma - classification is done - Now why does he has to classify. Classification is the essential mode of operation for any scientific analysis, particularly when Krishna is showing by dissecting the human personality and its traits. It is difficult to know for anybody internal mental motives in any action that is dictated by guNaas. This means Krishna teaching is only meant for self analysis not for branding someone as Brahmin or sudra etc. So that everyone, who is born as sudra with predominantly ignorance, raises himself from that to the highest satvic state or Brahman state. This is a litmus type of test by one self to oneself! This is not modern interpretation to suite the times or to cover up and project Vyasa as caste-ist. Remember by birth he himself is a product of fisher woman and a R^ishi. He rose himself by his own self-effort to the highest state of Jeevanmukta. In the Prussia suukta, this is beautifully pictured - In the total purushaa = - braahamanOsya mukha maasiit baahuurajanya kR^itaH uuruutadasya yadvaishyaH padbhyaam shuudrO ajaayata. Brahmin (thinkers) sit at his face kshatriyaas acts from his hands or shoulders from the thighs the vaisyas suudraas are born from his feet. Notice birth is designated for the sudras and not for others - every one that is born is sudra first. Because the root cause for birth itself is ignorence, tamas. There is only ignorence evan as childhood - One has to raise above depending his guna and karma - Gunas manifest as likes and dislikes. Many of us are just interested mostly in sense enjoyments and do just labor without contemplating on the higher meaning of life. Here I donot mean labor as manual labor -it means those who live for his stomach sake-He may be a big officer or big minister -or a scientist like me, a self centered ego centric utterly selfish ones are sudras (by birth he may claim a Brahmin - but that does not mean anything if his guNaas and karmaas do not reflect his Brahmin state!). Those who are involved in the activities outside who think that they have to work to uplift the society - are true kshatriyaas - who are ready to sacrifice their life for the society - action first - type - They are true workers - social workers, cultural workers etc. etc. who fights against injustice. There is name and fame involved in all these activities - people like Arjuna - who is ready to fight where ever he is - He obviously cannot sit down in one place and meditate - He fights with Lord Siva even while he was trying to meditate. Somebody brought swadharma - swadharma based on your vasanas - not by birth. your swadharma is what your conscious says - if you go against it, it will prick you. That is true honesty - satyam - have the guts to do what you believe in. Then there is no sin - no internal conflicts - sin is the divergence of mind and intellect. Doing your swadharma you are better off than following paradharma. You will be at peace with yourself. That is what B.G. is teaching us. =46inally the contemplative ones, these are subjective scientists, who are seen enough of the rat race and what to contemplate on the meaning of life, the very purpose of life. No more interest in any action, since they have realized that the jagat - the world is in constant motion - jaayatE gachchhatE iti jagat - and one cannot establish a steady equilibrium state free from conflicts because the system keeps changing. Hence by action, karma that which is finite cannot give rise to a solution that is beyond finiteness. Because karta, karma, kriya of the tri (tripura) are all time bound and each one excludes the other and by mutual exclusion each one limits the other. One has to transcend the three ( that is why Lord is called tripuraantaka - who ends the three - this cannot be accomplished by karma but by transcending the karma - transcending the time itself (time is change). For such contemplation, one needs a saatvic Buddhi - it is not tiikshaNa Buddhi - a sharp intellect which is required for dissecting and dividing one into many - what a true specialist scientist does - but a suukshma buddhi - a subtle intellect which looks for the unity in the diversity - one in many - the underlying substratum - a changeless- aadhaara - in the changing world - that is the vishva ruupa or that which pervades everything but itself ever permanent and changeless. a pure mind devoid of pressures of guna and karma(vaasana) is the saatvic mind is the braahminic mind - He is the subjective contemplative scientists. How many really are true brahmins - very few - Now Venu Desigi asks why did Vyasa discuss in such a way that others can misuse it. =46irst, one should investigate to whom the text is written and who is qualified to study this text. At the end of each chapter, both to indicated that the chapter ends here, since they were passed on by word of mouth, it says: Om tat sat iti shriimad bagavat giitaasu upanishatu brahmavidyaayam yOga shaastrE srii krishanaarjuna samvaadE ( like sankhya)- yogo nama (dviteeyO) adhyaayaH. The subject contents is not classification of objective world or castesystem as practiced outside but the inner world around but deals with the Brahma vidya to reach the Bahaman which is the nature of sat and that - tht - which is the goal of human life (tattvam - tat tvam - tat tvam asi - you are that - that Brahma vidya and it is sastra as Srini pointed is the science of yoga - yug is to join - yoking the mind - that which teaches is the yoga sastra - not relating to body genetal organ distinctions - male and female - etc. Because these belong to matter and you are not the matter. Only one who is qualified can only unravel the truth about the Brahma vidya - others will obviously if they study will only misquote and misunderstand or quote out of contest or misuse for their personal use. This happened in the past the happening now and will happen in the future. But t=99ose who are interested in Brhamavidya will not miss the essense of what Bhagavan Vyaasa through Krishna pointing the direction of human evolution. It was for this reason only this sastras were taught to the qualified students by the teacher and it was taught by word of mouth only, and was recommended not to teach to the unqualified. Qualification as we have discussed above is not based on the birth but by his mental status. Although, some selfish used even this injunction to deprive those who are qualified because they are born in the wrong woumbs. In the name of equanimity this is happening even now where qualified are denied admission for education becuase of their woumbs. It is same wine in a new bottle. Heriditory factors came into picture just as in current day admisions, for example in medical colleges, you get extra point if your parents are also doctors and/or from the same school. I am not judging these but only poiting out the inherent limitations in these systems. B.G. unlike Upanishads - talking about pure philosophy in the high mountains of Himalayas far from the maddening world quietly under a tree, is taught to a dynamic individual to raise above not to run away from the field but to act with proper attitude - Hence it is a yoga sastra - hence the science created with teaching to an army man in the middle of battle - a man of downtown like us how to fight the battle of life, but still to the one who is completely surrendered to the teacher - shishyatOham - ready to accept with clear mind the teaching that which is shrEyas for him. If this is just interpretation to a modern men, I advise the objectors to look into commentaries from time immemorial by Sankara bhaasya, Raamanuja bhashya (Sribhashya) and Madhavas, Varadaacharya, Madhusudhana saraswaties, Sant JNaaneswar and other intellectual giants on which even the modern writings quoted are based on. What Swami Chinmayananda has done is to bring in the intellectual logic of the modern scientific mind and put the same arguments in the form that they can appreciate -His greatest contribution, I feel is the representation of BMI chart, representation of subtler concepts in a graphical form for easy understanding. Remember he himself was not by birth a Brahman, nor his own teacher Swami Tapovan but by Krishna's definition are truly the real Brahman by guna and karma. Read Swami Tapovan, autobiography - Esvara Darshan. The teaching of Krishan is Universal - Caste-ism as practiced in India is local. The classification that Krishna provides is universal. It is the classification of the human traits so that one can evolve from tamasic to rajasic to satvic - Read an exhaustive analysis of these in Viveka chuuDamani of Sankaraachaarya. For this reason only B.G. is revered as song celestial by many including Western philosophers. Aldus Huxley to Roland to many others - read their own analysis. Through B.G, Bhagavan Vyasa brought the abstract philosophy to the man of downtown so that he can live without running away from life and duties, yet reach the highest now and here. That is why it is the greatest teaching of mankind provided and will for ever, where Krishana brings into synthesis two divergent philosophical approaches - contemplation versus action. Now if one calls such a great one who provided us the synthesis of supreme thoughts some names - does the name of Vyasa gets tarnished! no way. By calling names it only projects our own ignorence - that is all. We have to self examine our own biases before we point-out biases of others. One thing that Swami Chinmayaananda used to teach me and others - do not point fingers at others and remember every time you point your finger, three of your own fingers will be pointing at you. Let us first clean our mind, and our intentions before we try to point dirt in others. By this I am not trying to point fingers at any body. That is why I made humble request in my last posting. Let us not misdirect our energies in the wrong channels and divide and in the process discriminate people on the basis of different guna and karma basis and loose in the battle of fighting for unity and equanimity. Pointing at the old practices of discrimination, we are setting up a new ones as you can see what is happening in India now. A new wine in the old bottle. If my posting is taken as a personal attach, I regret for that - It was intended more to clarify from my understanding than to accuse others. Regrets that the posting has become large. If you have come this for - thanks for you patience. This time I will really keep quite on this topic since I see Pillalamarri trying to catch up his mail. Hari Om Sadananda K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 =46ax:(202)767-2623 ____________________________________________________________________________= __ What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him: Swami Chinmayananda ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From pkrishna@ARL.MIL Mon Aug 26 12:57:03 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA03806 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:56:58 -0500 Received: from hel4.arl.mil (hel4.arl.mil [128.63.37.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA19708 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:56:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 13:55:00 EDT From: "Ramakrishna S. Pillalamarri" To: Telugu Literary Discussion Group cc: INSYSInc@aol.com Subject: ashTAvadhAnam in the DC area Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Research Directorate Message-ID: <9608261355.aa27975@HEL4.ARL.MIL> Greater Washington Telugu Cultural Society Welcomes you to join A S H T A V A D H A N A M by Sri Madugula Nagaphani Sarma On Aug 31 Saturday - 1:30 to 5 pm In Student Union Building II of George Mason University (GMU), VA Directions : From the beltway, take exit 5 for Braddock Rd. Go west on Braddock Rd. GMU will be on your right, across from Univ Mall. Turn in to the University, and follow the signs for parking Lot B. Please park there and join us in the Student Union Building II. From chandra@flash.net Tue Aug 27 01:40:37 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA01147 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:40:21 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA27475 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:42:41 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA10005 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:41:07 -0500 Received: from defiant (defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA09996 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:41:04 -0500 Received: from p2-20.flash.net (p2-20.flash.net [208.194.193.20]) by defiant (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07595 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <304020C4.6319@flash.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 00:37:40 -0700 From: Chandrasekhararao Kanneganti X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: *Will post to SCIT also* Subject: Re: First Dose (2 poems) References: <9608240726.AA05524@manu.india.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao wrote: > 2 poems Second one is a nice poem. Keep posting the rest of them.. - Chandrasekhararao Kanneganti From srini@usinet.usiva.com Tue Aug 27 01:55:50 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA02623 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:55:20 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA22861 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:39:02 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA08043 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:37:28 -0500 Received: from gauntlet.usiva.com (gauntlet-all.usiva.com [206.67.217.2]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA08034 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:37:22 -0500 Received: by gauntlet.usiva.com; id RAA16998; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:38:54 -0400 Received: from unknown(198.5.168.1) by gauntlet.usiva.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma016996; Mon, 26 Aug 96 17:38:51 -0400 Received: by usinet.usiva.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25476; Mon, 26 Aug 96 17:35:44 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 17:35:44 EDT From: srini@usinet.usiva.com (Srini) Message-Id: <9608262135.AA25476@usinet.usiva.com> To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Subject: Re: On Bhagavadgita Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Sri Kumar Vadaparty gaaru writes: >I ask the following question: read the verses 38-42 in the first chapter >(arjuna vishada yogam) and interpret them for me. Many were such debates in the past about the referred interpretations. Gita is essentially a spiritual manual to help the confused Arjuna within us to face our outer and inner situations with equipoise. Its purpose and purport is the nature of Self or Conscience itself. To the extent it touched the hearts of us and to the degree it rang bells within ourselves about the Truths it echoes, to that degree it becomes clear and certain to us, that however many such interpretations seem possible or valid, they atleast have nothing to do with the main message or goal of the Gita. Calling it Divine, does not mean accepting blindly or not even questioning it. Arjuna himself questioned Krishna until he was totally satisfied. It merely means the theme and thrust of it transcends the issues of external details like gender,society or its classification and the ensuing ills or merits. It certainly is no loss to Gita, when it is being accused more than what it says, and when more emphasis is laid on the very issues which it asks us to transcend. Another remarkable thing is that it certainly made impact on some of the greatest minds and hearts over many generations. Sri VEnu gaaru asked about the propriety of using some words. To decide anything about that, we need to take into account the amount of wool-gathering those words did over so many centuries, which the author cannot be held responsible for. >As to someone who compared reading gita with a sanskrit dictionary with >reading the principia with an English Dictionary, I might add that I did just >that. And, I had no problems following it. Is that so? That certainly shows your remarkable mathematical ability, but nothing could be farther from Truth than saying that Principia of Mathematica could be understood with the aid of dictionary with no background in Analytic Geometry first, particularly when even its style is so different. Famous philosophers John Locke, Voltaire acknowledged the difficulty. Newton himself told Rev. Dr. Derham: "To avoid being baited by little smatterers in mathematics, I designedly made the Principia abstruse; but yet so as to be understood by able mathematicians, who, I imagine, by comprehending my demonstrations would concur with my theory" >Except that it made me understand how many mistaken routes did Newton take. >For example, his (Newton's) original approach to compute the differential of >x^n involves binomial theorem, and then he got a wrong proof for it >(Gauss fixed it -- much later). Also there is nothing wrong with the integral Calculus Newton developed, largely without the aid of limits of sums. (Later fruitful theoretical developments in multiple integrals was inspired by Leibnitz only in 17th Century. Later in 19th Century, Cauchy gave clear-cut definition of definite integrals for continuous functions and proof of its existence. Later Riemann discussed integral for discontinuous functions and gave necessary and sufficient conditions for its existence.) And Binomial theorem, which is his first major discovery, is also as valid now, as it was then. Gauss gave proof to D'Alembert's theorem, which D'Alembert never proved, and Euler gave only a partial proof, which made Gauss famous. >To give a modern time example, read the celebrated declaration of independence. >After saying "all men are created equal" in one para, the authors, including >my favourite (Jefferson),goes on to refer to the native americans as "savages". >To somehow stretch "savages" to mean "not-all-bad people" is ludicrous. >Jefferson and co messed up and messed up real well. I completely agree. But that seems minor compared to the careful omission of any mention of inhuman slave trade! Jefferson himself owned slaves and seems to have thought that all men are equal, except slaves! However great a political classic it may be, it is just that - political. If accepting something blindly is illogical, having contempt blindly for something as "insanity" is equally illogical. With best regards -Srinivas Nagulapalli Apology: ******** It is not truthful to talk about Truth of Gita, when this thread truthfully, does not belong to this forum. Henceforth, I will try to respond to SCIT only, and leave TELUSA for what it was meant for truthfully! From krishna@mink.mt.att.com Tue Aug 27 01:59:24 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA02719 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:56:17 -0500 Received: from cbgw1.att.com (cbgw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22195 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:43:19 -0500 From: krishna@mink.mt.att.com To: telusa@CS.WISC.EDU Received: from mink.mt.att.com by cbig1.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id QAA28097; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:37:40 -0400 Received: from whyte.mt.att.com ([135.21.120.185]) by mink.mt.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1 SunOS) id AA16800; Mon, 26 Aug 96 16:41:27 EDT Message-Id: <9608262041.AA16800@mink.mt.att.com> Received: by whyte (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02595; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:41:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:41:23 -0400 Apparently-To: telusa@CS.WISC.EDU ********************************************************************** SAMSKRUTA ANDHRA SATAVADHANAM by MahaSasravadhani, DattaPeethaAsthanaKavi, AvadhanaSahasraPhani Sri Madugula Nagaphani Sarma on 7th Sept 1996 from 9AM - 8PM at Matawan High School in NewJersey ********************************************************************** ** You are all invited to attend this historic event!!! ** Satavadhanam is a wonderful literary art that exists in no other language in the world except Samskrutm, Telugu and Kannada! In this art, the avadhaani replies simultaneously to questions related to various fields of literature from several pRchchakas. This art requires tremendous memory, eloquence, creativity, wit and knowledge of the avadhaani in various fields of literature. We are all very fortunate to witness this endangered art form coming back to life in recent times. There are very few persons left in India who can still perform this literary extempore with tremendous creativity and presence of mind in this modern era and Sri Nagaphani Sarma is among the best. ** For the 1st time in the USA, SATAVADHANAM in Samskrutam and Telugu will be performed by an artist who brought this art form close to the common people and made it an extremely enjoyable program for the whole family including youngsters, musicians and even people who are not well versed with the Samskrutam and Telugu. * Free For All - Lunch and Coffee will be served. * Active Participation by audiences including the youngsters in English and Hindi languages. * Sri Sarma's unique contribution to this art - "My Song to Your Question" is extremely popular with everybody ncluding youngsters. * Program begins at sharp 9 AM even with the limited audience since this is the first time ever a Sataavadhanam is being performed in just 1 day. * Since this art requires high degree of concentration for the Avadhani, maximum silence and discipline is requested from the audience. ------------------- DIRECTIONS --------------------------------------- >From North: Garden State Parkway take exit 117 and bear right towards Rt.35 South Right onto Holmdel Rd. (Exxon gas station & Shorepoint Inn Landmarks) Next light take right onto Bethany Road (Mobil &Gulf stations landmarks) 4th light take right onto Atlantic Ave. (Methodist Church Landmark) School is on the right. >From West Rt. 18 Exit to Rt.516 East to Matawan Crossing Rt. 34 (Dunkin Donuts Landmark) At the Next light take right onto Church Street Next light take left onto Atlantic Ave (Methodist Church Landmark) School is on the right >From South: NJTP take Exit 8 to Rt.33 East (Towards Freehold) Rt. 9 North Rt.516 East to Matawan Continue as above directions from West ------------------- CONTACTS for MORE INFORMATION ------------------------ Oruganti Venugopala Krishna 908-957-6007(W);908-617-1290(H) krishna@mrspock.mt.att.com Kasinadhuni MaheswaraPrasad 908-957-2429 (W);908-739-1925(H) mkp@mrspock.mt.att.com From vasu@india.hp.com Tue Aug 27 08:45:01 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA18501 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:44:56 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA03719 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:44:55 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA11587 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA11578 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:43:02 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA150933465; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:44:25 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA06861; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:18:23 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608271418.AA06861@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: PUZZLE (easy) 3 To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (Telusa & SCIT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 19:18:23 IST X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi Your time-pass. pada saarathi - 3 vasu@india.hp.com ******************** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _____________________________________________ |xxxx|0001|0002|0000|0003|0000|0004|0000|xxxx| ______________________________________________ |xxxx|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0005| ______________________________________________ |0006|0000|xxxx|0007|0000|0000|xxxx|0008|0000| ______________________________________________ |0000|xxxx|0009|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0010|xxxx|0000| ______________________________________________ |0011|0000|0000|0000|xxxx|0012|0000|0000|0000| ______________________________________________ |0000|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0013|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0000| ______________________________________________ |0014|0000|xxxx|0015|0000|0000|xxxx|0016|0000| ______________________________________________ |0000|xxxx|0017|xxxx|0000|xxxx|0018|xxxx|xxxx| ______________________________________________ |xxxx|0019|0000|0000|0000|0000|0000|0000|xxxx| ______________________________________________ aadhaaraalu #Clues# addam #Across# 1) anaathalu (6) 6) I gaMga snaanaalu daMpatulu cEstaaru (2) 7) oMTari. (3) 8) dIni taravaata tappakuMDaa vastuMdi (2) 11) amaavaaSya naaDu kanipiMcE caMdravaMka (4) 12) damayaMti reMdO peLLili raajulu ilaa vaccarani girISaM annaDu (4) 14) aakali (2) 15) venna (3) 16) polaalu (2) 19) maMsahaasaalu (6) niluvu #Down# 2) I peTlO cillara DabbuluMtaay! (2) 3) Orugallu ammavaaru (4) 4) kaMci daakaa veLutuMdi (2) 5) vILLani nEnerugudunu. maMcam kOLLalaa muggurE! (6) 6) taamararEkula kannaula vaaru. (6) 9) savaalu visuru. idE vastuMdi (3) 10) ISwaruni #dance# (3) 13) cinna draaksha (4) 17) idi kaDitE polcukunnaTTE! (2) 18) manishikI jaMtuvukI tEDaa (2) --------------GoodLuck. Made Easy-------------------------------- From KP26.PRASAD@KODAKO.KODAK.COM Tue Aug 27 08:56:47 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA18664 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:56:34 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA03842 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:56:33 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA11633 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:55:00 -0500 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA11624 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:54:56 -0500 Received: from kodako.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA09421 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:56:23 -0400 Received: by KODAKO.KODAK.COM (Soft*Switch Central V4380P7A) id 472941090096240FKP26; 27 Aug 1996 09:41:09 GMT Message-Id: Date: 27 Aug 1996 09:41:09 GMT Reply-To: From: "PRASAD@KP26" Subject: Re: On Bhagavadgita To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Comment: KP26 PRASAD 08/27/96 09:41:59 EKSMTP To: TELUSASC--EKSMTP *** Reply to note of 08/27/96 05:17 From: CHODAVARAPU PRASAD, OI-RTD, 2/6/EP 36401 (x69887) Subject: Re: On Bhagavadgita sorry for proceeding on a digression, but i just couldn't resist it. pricipia is such a badly written (or should i say, drawn :-)) work, so confusing with its endless diagrams that Lagrange started his famous book on analytical dynamics with the words... This book does not have any diagrams :-) yes, he wrote a complete masterpiece with absolutely no diagrams. i heard lots of such anecdotes from my professors at kharagpur and will share them in a much more appropriate forum sometime. i wonder if this mail will make it to telusa as i am not posting it from acm6.me.uiuc.edu. i am now, and for the forseeable future at kp26.prasad@kodako.kodak.com read that as "at koDakO" as in "bhadram koDakO" :-) Regards CHODAVARAPU PRASAD From kumarv@bellcore.com Tue Aug 27 10:46:10 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA21880 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:46:05 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA05603 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:46:04 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA12181 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:44:30 -0500 Received: from truth.bellcore.com (truth.bellcore.com [192.4.7.47]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12172 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:44:26 -0500 Received: (from kumarv@localhost) by truth.bellcore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03732; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:45:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Kumar Vadaparty Message-Id: <199608271545.LAA03732@truth.bellcore.com> To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Subject: Re: On Bhagavadgita Cc: srini@usinet.usiva.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) >>Srinivas Nagulapalli garu says: >As to someone who compared reading gita with a sanskrit dictionary with >reading the principia with an English Dictionary, I might add that I did just >that. And, I had no problems following it. >> Is that so? That certainly shows your remarkable mathematical ability, but >>nothing could be farther from Truth than saying that Principia of Mathematica >>could be understood with the aid of dictionary with no background in Analytic >>Geometry first, particularly when even its style is so different. Famous >>philosophers John Locke, Voltaire acknowledged the difficulty. Newton himself >>told Rev. Dr. Derham: >>"To avoid being baited by little smatterers in mathematics, I designedly made >>the Principia abstruse; but yet so as to be understood by able mathematicians, >>who, I imagine, by comprehending my demonstrations would concur with my theory" I did NOT say that Newton's book was flaw-less (indeed I said I appreciated knowing the flaws), but I did say that I had no problem UNDERSTANDING it. If that is a point of contention, please post a few pages from the Principia, and I will be glad to follow up with the explanation. Remember, the so-called analytic geometry was in its infancy at the time of Newton. So, understanding it was rather trivial and N. gives enough stuff to follow it. Any one with basic intermediate knowledge (i.e., Xii class ofAP) should have no problem following it. Of course, also should have no problem understanding its flaws and limitations. BTW John Locke had no mathematical contribution worth its salt. He was mor of a political philosopher or social philosopher. Not a mathematician. I will be surprised if he had NO problem understanding it. Second, after 3 centuries, the great discoveries of N. are everyday stuff now. So, we have much better advantage than J.Locke had. It is well known that analysis was not Newton's forte; even Euler made several mistakes in relationship with infinite series. Analysis was developed for over a hundread years. An excellent commentary on this was given by "E.T. Bell" in hiw "history of Calculus" (not his other well known works: men of mathematics and history of mathematics). To those who somehow attribute abstruse profunditity that can't be explained in simple English or telugu to Bhagavadgita: if you can't explain, the proof of burden is still on you, not on me. >> If accepting something blindly is illogical, having contempt blindly for >>something as "insanity" is equally illogical. Of course!!!! it is obvious! What's the point of this vacuous truism? What's the use of this rhetoric? Did you somehow read otherwise in my mail? If so, for the record: B.G. has enough inconsistencies and enough nuggets of wisdom. I take what I like. For those who claim that it has only one kind (i.e., only nuggets of wisdom or only inconsistencies), I can provide counter-examples of the other kind. Pl. stick to this stand of mine in your reply. No point in vacuous generalites and vague statements. Thanks. Hope I am clear. Thank you! Kumar. From sdokka@st6000.sct.edu Tue Aug 27 15:12:44 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28764 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:12:39 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA10242 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:12:38 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA13231 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:11:04 -0500 Received: from st6000.sct.edu ([168.28.176.249]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA13222 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:10:57 -0500 Received: by st6000.sct.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA65228; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:12:21 -0400 From: sdokka@st6000.sct.edu (Ramabhadra Dokka) Message-Id: <9608272012.AA65228@st6000.sct.edu> Subject: aTlAnTA lO ashTAvadhAnam - a review To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 9313 Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Friends !! Some time back, while upholding the art of avadhAna prakriya, I said - enni gItalu ceripitE O' cittaruvautundi ? enni koTTivEtalatO O kAvyam puDutundi ?? sAvadhAnamgA ceppE kaburlE mahA-kAvyamanukonTE, avadhAnAniki sAhityamlO sthAnam karuvoutundi !! dhAraNa, sRjana, AASuvu, alarimpu, annI kalistEnE avutundadi avadhAnam ! nAkU konni jIvitAla kAlam aruvistE, vrAsEyaka pOtAnA ?? O "mahA kAvyam".. I am sure that one and all who had the pleasure of enjoying the recent ashTaavadhAnam in Atlanta(8/23/96) by brahmaSrI mADugula nAgaPaNi Sarma gAru had this first hand experience. The event presented by TAMA and the 'sAhitI sadassu' was well attended and was well admired too. That was a great literary shower to quench the thirst of every interested soul. The event spearheaded by SrI pemmarAju vENu gOpAla rAvu gAru, took place in Dr. B.K.Mohan's place and was attended by about 45-50 sAhitI lovers of all ages. The video show of 'ANi mutyAlu', a compilation of avadhAni's previous dwiSatAvadhAna and mahA sahasrAvadhAna performances marked the beginning of the literary evening and Sarma gAru took off in his own inimitable style " SrI manmangaLa dhAraNam, Srita jagadwAnchAvaLIpUraNam, prasannam praNatAnandam, pArvatI sutamASrayE..." and also explaining " yiyyavadhAna prakriya AndhruladE summu ! yidi gouravimpa rasika maNula sommu..!! " datta padi : SrI viSwanAth vaDlamAni's query to fill in the four unrelated words, 'kanTa, panTa, manTa, janTa' explaining Ekalavya's state after drONAcArya rejected him, shaped the following poem - " kanTanu pAre kAluvalu kanTakamai gurudEvu mATa rU panTani dIkshakun, guru mahatvapu rUpamu kaluga jEsi pe nmanTanu nitya hOmamuga mAnya dhanurvijayaika vidyagAn, janTa Palammu pondenaTa, satya guru ppraBavaika lavyuDai.. " varNana : PVG wanted the avadhAni explain (his)cat's situation when the cat was called on for a visit to swarga lOkam... Yes sounds funny, yet gave a couple of cute kandams upholding the pRchchaka's pet-sentiment... " allana vaikunThamanan callani yI amerikanucu sandhimpa valen, pillulu kukkalu BOgapu pallakilO tirugu cunDu bahusukha mulatOn.. " and the cat even says -- " yajamAniki oka mATanu nijamuga nE ceppi vattu nijamidi yanucun Rujuvuga mArjAlamadE RujanE viDanADu vaidya kRti sukRticE.. " After ringing the cat's bell, the avadhAni was asked to explain the meaning of "kRshNuDu calling kRshNa (draupadi) for a talk after the mahABArata war..." Yes, it is more of a samasyApUraNam than a varNana, and the avadhAni aptly turned it into another utpalam -- " ninDuga mOhanAkshuni guNincina BOjanamaina mattulO, unDina nunDakunDina nohOyani pAnDava BArya tO dagan cenDina kRshNatO palike citramaTancunu ceppinAru mI ranDaga vENu gOpa vyavahArika nAma 'kalA kathA' vacimpumA.. " thus, turning the table onto the pRchchaka himself asking him in return "You are ought to explain us the aucityam of your dreams..:-)" samasya : I knew that I was getting a juicy poem when I was asking the the avadhAni to take us to Buvana vijayam by completing my -- "ekkaDi sAhitI saBalu, ekkaDi gOShThulu padya pUraNal.." He replied -- " cikkani tEne dhAra vale cikkani mIgaDa jAlu vOle pem jikkani satkavitvamu racinci vcincina kunce vOle nE DakkaDa rAyalEriyani, hA ! madi talapOyu vArikin, ekkaDi sAhitI saBalu, ekkaDi gOShThulu padya pUraNal.. " What a beautiful thought (impromptu) compared to my pale and prior-prepared pUraNa -- " nikkamu sAhitI janani, nIriDi kannula yenta yEDceno kkokka kavISwarunDaTula hOruna mATalu pATalandunan cikkani bUtulE ciliki cETunu decciri telgu bAsakin kekkaDi sAhitI saBalu, ekkaDi gOShThulu padya pUraNal.. " mI praSnaku nA pATa is this avadhAni's special -- yes, the first question in this category from Smt. kOrapATi ratnamOhini on the amerikA andAlu was very well answered in madhyamAvati as -- " amerika dESAna andacandAluu.. ennani ceppagalanu kALLaku bandhAlu.. viSAlamou rahadArulu, dArulalO palu kArulu, Draivinguna paniki rAvu yelakavitala muccaTlu, vEgammadi perigitE aDugaDuguna TikkeTlu.. eTu cUsina kyUlu, pratidAniki thAnkyUlu, hellOlU, hAy hAy lU, aDugaDuguna madhupAylU.. " What a presence of mind and behold, the second question was asking the description of a funny anecdote from 'tenAli rAmakRshNa and kRshNadEvarAya', and this was portrayed as a song of discussion between the two characters in the style of 'kanciki pOtAva kRshNammA, A kanci vArtalEvi kRshNammA.." -- " lingaDu, lingaDu, lingaDA nuvu lingaDaina vidhamEmi ?? rAyaDu rAyaDu rAyaDA nuvu kRshNuDaina calavE swAmI !! vikaTamu nI kavanamani veTakarimpulElA ?? nEnunDaga sankaTAlu rAlavu nI mrOlA !! kavulandari lOnA, nI ghanata yEmi kRshNA ?? prati kshaNamU vinnA, tIradu mI tRshNA !! " avadhAni also explained that -- " linga nishidhdhakal valaci lingani, mEcakakandharun triSU lingani, sangatALi lavalingani, nIlakacanvidAtR yAlingani, kRshNa cEluni halungani, rAmakRshNa kavilingani kIrti hasince dikkulan.. !! varNana -- A SArdUlamu for our 'vEnkanna' in Atlanta which went as -- " minTancukkalu mEnipai nagalugA mEghambu dEhambugAn, kanTanpAru dayArasambu, nijamou gangai pavitrambugAn, kanTinninnu nitAnta kalpa latikan, kaLyANa dhImUrti, a TlAnTAlO navanIta vInkaTapatI, lAvaNya pAdOnithI !! " In avadhAni gAri own words, a SArdUlam should be -- " tOrdarpambuna divya Sabda kalanA dOdhUya mAna kriyan, nirdAkshiNya para: praBAva SakalOnnirmANa dhArAkriyan, sparthApUrNa kaLA kalApamuna ASAvESamai pongagAn, SArdUlammunu ceppagA valayu nISA nI kRpAdhAratOn !! " anuvAdam from SrI AdESwara rAo gAru had the avadhAni translate a piece from hindi into a nice reading campakamAla as -- " taTataTamai vasantamula tAvula tAkuna gAli andhamai, aTaniTa lAkulAkulamai palu pulkalu cilkarincagAn, ceTulatara praBAtamul cAruTa cayyena noyyenandhagan, kuTilata kuTmalammu vekundenu, nidraku Badra Bangamai !! " Yes, prabandha padya vinyAsAnni sunAyAsamgA, ASuvugA andarikI ruci cUpistU, maLLI antalOnE sandarBOcitamgA samAdhAnAlistU, saBanu raktikaTTincina yI avadhAni gAru saraswatI varaprasAdulanaDamlO sandEham lEdu.. avadhAni gAru handled Chy. PaNikumAr's questions well to make them prastutam, rather than aprastutam... Q) 'brahma dEvuDu saraswatini kAfI aDigitE, AviDa oka kappu istundA, lEka nAlugu kappulu kaluputundA ??' A) (amerikA lO ayitE-evari pani vArE cEsukOvAli kAbaTTi)oka kappu (tanaki mAtram) kalupu konTundaTa.. brahma gAriki kAvAlanTE 40 cups AyanE kalupukOvAlaTa..:-) Q) 'Sachin Tendulkar cricket team captain ayyina visEshampai' mI aBiprAyam -- A) mIru kAnanduku santOshincanDi.. Q) 'appiccu vADu vaidyuDu kadA' mIkentamandi DAkTarlu appuliccAru ?? A) 'appiccu vADu vaidyuDu, anagAnE A padyamlO venTahnE -- eppuDu ??' ani praSna vastundi, andu valana appu anagAnE, eppuDu ani mAtramE aDagAli, irrespective of the lender being a doctor or some one else... Q) manishikI, manishikI gala sambandhAlE 'kAnIvanDi', bAndhavyAlE 'kAnIvanDi', vITilO Edi goppadi ?? A) mIrE cebutunnAru kadA -- 'kAnivvanDi, kAnI ivvanDi' anTU, I kAnIla bandham lEnidE asalaina sambandham... When asked to sing a song on the 'saraswatI saBa', our avadhAni gAru went on a superb 'CREATION' imagining himself as brahma. It was more than pleasing to hear this avadhAna brahma, singing as 'brahma', again in madhyamAvati -- "brahma nEnu brahmaSrI Sarmanu toli rUpamai, sRshTiki toli AkAram SrIkAram dIpamai, toli nALula jaladhulalO alalu talalu yettagA, vottinAnu saraswatI padamula suti mettagA (SRti mettagA).. Apadamulu padamulai, parimaLAlu cindagA, A palukulu taLukulai paruvamuluppongagA.. ningi nunDi nElaku digu, divija lOka gangagA, angAngam pulakincaga, (yidE) brahma lOkamanipincagA.. " GhanTA gaNanam was successful with SrI kRshNa srInivas's cooperation as a pRchchaka and the saBa reached its culmination with these two pieces from the avadhAni -- sakala satkathA sandhAna cakravarti, mammu aTlAnTa rammanna madhura kIrti, vENu gOpAla rAvu vivEka mUrti, atani soujanya garima kEnu anjalintu.. mOhana rAjyammanduna snEhammuga yiyavadhAnaSRI nimpangAn, sAhasamu saPalamayyenu, sOhammani kavana savana sPUrtulu velugan.. That tETagIti and the kandam were the last pieces of the day but those sweet moments are still lingering through my ears. It was one of the best avadhAnams that I have attended and for those who missed this 2.5 hrs of literary extempore, please try to make it to the first ever 'SatAvadhAnam' in USA, to be held in New Jersey on 09/07/96 at Mattawan High School, from 8.00 A.M. to 9.00 P.M. For more details, please contact -- Dr. RamakRshNa mUrty ciTTi - (914)273-2247 Dr. KiDambi raghunAth - (908)463-1220 Dr. Pillalamarri SivarAmakRshNa - (410)838-3780 sAhitI sadassu and TAMA thank everyone who made the event a success and let's all look forward to more evenings of this sort... regards.. - Ram (Ramabhadra Dokka from sdokka@st6000.sct.edu) P.S. : Sorry for the long post, but I didn't want to break this review into two parts. Hope you enjoyed reading it. From vasu@india.hp.com Tue Aug 27 22:16:58 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA07719 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:16:54 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA16164 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:16:53 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA15402 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:15:19 -0500 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA15390 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:15:01 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA104882187; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:16:27 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA07210; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:50:30 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608280350.AA07210@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: Re: PUZZLE (easy) 3 To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 8:50:30 IST In-Reply-To: <9608271418.AA06861@manu.india.hp.com>; from "Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao" at Aug 27, 96 7:18 pm X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi Sorry. The clue for the last across reads "maMsahaasaalu". That's typo. Read as "maMdahaasaalu". Sorry. -- Regards & Thanks Vasu. From rao@lij.edu Wed Aug 28 11:57:51 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA25523 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:57:45 -0500 Received: from ns (ns.lij.edu [204.168.192.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24813 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:57:43 -0500 Received: from [204.168.194.72] (annex_port_02) by ns (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10195; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:54:52 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:00:21 +0500 To: telusa@cs.wisc.edu From: "s.k.rao" It appears that the 'Styabhama' character in Mahabhagavatam ( telugu) is not there in the original( sanskrit). Why is it so ? From vasu@india.hp.com Thu Aug 29 00:13:36 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05993 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:13:31 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA04505 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:13:30 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA22075 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:11:57 -0500 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA22066 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:11:35 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA295035581; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:13:01 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA08061; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:47:02 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608290547.AA08061@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: PUZZLE_3. Corrections To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (Telusa & SCIT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 10:47:02 IST X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi The letter count for the cluse (1 & 19 across) was incorrectly shown as 6. The matrix has 7 cells. The count must be read as 7. I am sorry for my mistake. I also thank Ramkumar for correcting it. -- Regards & Thanks Vasu. From vasu@india.hp.com Thu Aug 29 02:28:19 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA11474 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:28:11 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA06157 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:28:09 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA22347 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:26:37 -0500 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA22338 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:26:34 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA102693681; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:28:01 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA08161; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:02:06 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608290802.AA08161@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: Second Dose (2 More) To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (Telusa & SCIT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 13:02:05 IST X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*) Hi A note : I am restricting the use of capitals which I maintain are an eyesore. But to tell parusha_aksharaalu from saraLa_aksharaalu, well i'll use them. All vowels(sounds) will be in smalls. (The very idea that my readers are repulsed (as I am) due to this eyesore turns me off) 1) a, aa, i, ii, u, oo, e, ae, ai, o, oe, au 2) m/n for 'sunnaa' depending on whether it is followed by a lip letter or not. You'll never find that 'M'. ------------------- jvaram vaccinappuDu ------------------- kaasaepu viSraanti tiisukoevaccu. vaela caetultoe juTTu paTTi niladiisae praSnalnuncii nityam mupphai samvatsaraala baruvutoe nokkae #uniform# nuncii khaaLii #kerosene# Dabbaa, muriki baTTala mooTaa lemmani puramaayincaDam maanaesi buddhigaa moola koocuntaayi daeham pakka miida vaala gaanae netturloe mancu mukkalu taeltaayi. uDuku taggina netturu caetulloncii veLLaloeki pravahistundi daTTa maina araNyam loe kommalni ciilustoo paayalai tegina vennellaaga. Sariiram loeki pravaeSincina atithini aapyaayangaa imuDcukuni oe kshaNam kaLLu moosi teristae aaScaryamgaa, roejoo ciidarincukunae vastuvulannii ceyyi andivaalaeni snaehitulai saaSru naetraala sandaeSa tarangaalatoe rushyaamamloe poolamokkallaa kanipistaayi naenunDaedi ii illaenaa anipistundi renDu caetuloo gunDela miida vaesukuni doorangaa vinavaccae sangiitam koesam #Nightingale# caeti diipapu kaanti giitam koesam niriikshistoo niriikshistoo nidra loeki jaarukoevaccu. kaanii jvaramoo taracugaa raadu. -------------------late 1988---------------------------------- --------------- vindu taravaata --------------- Poems emerge from half undersood facts and hazy overlaps of meaning which are to be discovered in the act of writing them. -----Douglas Dunn------- peddagaa paTTincukunae vaaLLundaru eppuDeLLi eppuDoccinaa okatae. sarikotta #mood#toe sarikotta pradaeSam loeki paata mohaaltoe aDugu peDataam gadi naalugu goedalnii kalipae #electric# toeraNam gadi naalugu vaepulaa parucukunna taebuLLoo, kurciiloo sandhyaakaaSa maeghaalnuncii kattirinci teccina #cushion seat#la simhaasanaaloo - mana puraaNa purushulu naagaloekam loe coosina kaantula vaibhavaaniki samiipa samaanata ni manam ikkaDa cooDoccu. annivaepulnincii alumukunTunna cikkati aruNima madhya tirugutoonTae ae gupta nidhulunna guha loekoe ae raakshasi garbham loekoe pariSoedhana koesam pravaeSincinaTTunTundi ikkaDa kanipincae manushulu tappa kanipincae prati vastuvoo kanipistoonae vunTundi. indaakaa antaa baagaanae vundi. kaasta Sabdam alumukuni prati okkaroo ulikkipaDi pakkaki coosae antaraayam kaligina kshaNam loe vaeyinnokka Sakalaala samoohaanni oka ardham loeki nirmincaalsina antargata prayaaNa sannaaham prati okaarnii tondara peDutundi. anTae maaTalu modalautaayi samudra talaanni ciilustoo paikostunna parvata Sikharaallaaga maunamgaa bhaarangaa maaTalu modalautaayi kshaNam loe kaTTalu tencukunna vaakpravaaha kallolam loe vaasana loe, pogalloe #electric# toeraNam coopulloeki miNugurulni visurutoo naaga kanya laa naaTyam caestoo masaka baarutundi. entainaa idi vindu ikkaDiki manam vindaaragincaDaanikae raavaali. antaa saddu maNigaaka anni naaTyaaloo aagi poeyaaka doorangaa daevaalaya Sikharam miida #loud soeaker# kaTTaesina niSSabdam loe gumpu nunci gadi selavu tiisukunTundi. vindu taravaata gadini coostae manaloe parvataalni mingaesina Soonya samudraalni coosukunnaTTae. ------------------Aug_Sept 1989-------------------------------- Regards & Thanks Vasu. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao * Internet: vasu@india.hp.com | |Hewlett Packard * Telephone: 91-80-2251554 x 1211 | |International Software Operations * Fax: | |29, Cunningham Road * Voice Mail: | |Bangalore - 560 052 * Telenet: | |I N D I A * | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From palaka@simon.wustl.edu Thu Aug 29 11:27:29 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA26097 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:27:24 -0500 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12265 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:27:23 -0500 From: palaka@simon.wustl.edu Received: from SIMON.DECnet (daemon@localhost) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17325 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:27:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:27:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199608291627.LAA17325@wugate.wustl.edu> To: "telusa@cs.wisc.edu"@WUGATE.wustl.edu Subject: poems vasu@hp.india.com wrote: > --------------- > vindu taravaata > --------------- > > Poems emerge from half undersood facts and hazy overlaps > of meaning which are to be discovered in the act of writing them. > > -----Douglas Dunn------- Douglas Dunn - whoever he might be - might have taken the first half of the sentence out of my mind. i have no experience to either support or contest the second half though it seems plausible. now, what do poems that emerge in this fashion - from facts and meanings that their creators do not understand completely, supposed to do to the readers? enlighten them? regards, - rao From rkotapati@eagle.navsses.navy.mil Thu Aug 29 13:40:09 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA00238 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:52 -0500 Received: from CONDOR.NAVSSES.NAVY.MIL (CONDOR.NAVSSES.NAVY.MIL [157.187.16.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14594 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:49 -0500 From: rkotapati@eagle.navsses.navy.mil Received: by eagle.navsses.navy.mil (MX V4.2 VAX) id 67; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:42:19 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:42:18 EDT To: TELUSA@CS.WISC.EDU Message-ID: <009A7940.BDEDFF00.67@eagle.navsses.navy.mil> Subject: ** CHANGE - SATADHAVADHANAM VENUE ** Dear Friends, Namaste. 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From KP26.PRASAD@KODAKO.KODAK.COM Thu Aug 29 14:51:24 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA02722 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:51:20 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA15800 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:51:18 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA09456 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:49:46 -0500 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA09447 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:49:42 -0500 Received: from kodako.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA18571 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:51:02 -0400 Received: by KODAKO.KODAK.COM (Soft*Switch Central V4380P7A) id 172554140096242FKP26; 29 Aug 1996 14:54:14 GMT Message-Id: Date: 29 Aug 1996 14:54:14 GMT Reply-To: From: "CHODAVARAPU PRASAD" Subject: newjersey SatAvadhAnam To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Comment: KP26 PRASAD 08/29/96 14:54:53 EKSMTP To: TELUSASC--EKSMTP scit-telusa From: CHODAVARAPU PRASAD Subject: newjersey SatAvadhAnam &&&telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu i was just wondering if anyone from rochester area is planning to attend the newjersey SatAvadhAnam on sep. 7th. it will be nice if i can find some company for the drive to NJ and back. please reply at kp26.prasad@kodako.kodak.com or, just give me a call. thanks prasad --- 26 H, Norwich Dr., Rochester NY 14624 Phones: (716)594-9413(R) and (716)726-9887(O) Fax: (716)253-1542 From vasu@india.hp.com Thu Aug 29 23:07:15 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA11517 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:07:06 -0500 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA22165 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:07:04 -0500 Received: from manu.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA125527969; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:06:09 -0700 Received: by manu.india.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA08639; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:40:08 +0500 From: Nyayapathi Srinivasa Rao Message-Id: <9608300440.AA08639@manu.india.hp.com> Subject: Re: poems To: telusa@cs.wisc.edu Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 9:40:08 IST In-Reply-To: <199608291627.LAA17325@wugate.wustl.edu>; from "palaka@simon.wustl.edu" at Aug 29, 96 11:27 am X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] hi all palaka rao gaaru comments : > > --------------- > > vindu taravaata > > --------------- > > > > Poems emerge from half undersood facts and hazy overlaps > > of meaning which are to be discovered in the act of writing them. > > > > -----Douglas Dunn------- > > Douglas Dunn - whoever he might be - might have taken the first half > of the sentence out of my mind. i have no experience to either support or > contest the second half though it seems plausible. now, what do poems that > emerge in this fashion - from facts and meanings that their creators do not > understand completely, supposed to do to the readers? enlighten them? There are several ways of looking at it. To start with, Douglas Dunn was British. A neo_modern. A poet need not explain or interpret reality per se. He mirrors a scene, adds a bit of his own outlook. He colors everything in his own way. We cannot expect a poet to enlighten us. Some may do!! A poet, needless to repeat, should write poetry. So ask yourself. Does this piece have something that correlates to known characteristics of a poem ? If the answer is yes, re-feel your feelings. A poem is just as meaningful as the impressions it left on your mind. Inthis case, i think, it left a confusing mess of incomplete images and a sense of silent-heaviness. Am I correct ? That was the effect intended. That is what, the poet believes, #vindu# leaves in its wake. -- Regards & Thanks Vasu. From KP26.PRASAD@KODAKO.KODAK.COM Fri Aug 30 17:52:46 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA04304 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:52:40 -0500 Received: from smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (smartcad4.me.wisc.edu [144.92.36.238]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA06126 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:52:39 -0500 Received: (from teluscit@localhost) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA14693 for telusa@cs.wisc.edu; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:51:08 -0500 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA14684 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:51:04 -0500 Received: from kodako.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA21785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:56:17 -0400 Received: by KODAKO.KODAK.COM (Soft*Switch Central V4380P7A) id 481339150096243FKP26; 30 Aug 1996 15:39:15 GMT Message-Id: Date: 30 Aug 1996 15:39:15 GMT Reply-To: From: "CHODAVARAPU PRASAD" Subject: nADu-nEDu To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu Cc: PRASAD CHODAVARAPU Comment: KP26 PRASAD 08/30/96 15:39:41 EKSMTP To: TELUSASC--EKSMTP scit-telusa cc: PRASAD --KP26 CHODAVARAPU PRASAD From: CHODAVARAPU PRASAD Subject: nADu-nEDu &&&telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu nADu- gAndhi jUpina mamci bATanu pori geliciri bhAratIyulu talli bhArati nutini ponda dIksha pUniri nATi vIrulu nEDu- somta lAbham tapana tappa cinta sEyaru bhAratIyulu kAsu jUstE matulu pOyE buddhihInulu nETi dhUrtulu 50 samvatsarAla svAtamtryamlO, manam digajArina dusthiti cUsi aavEdanatO -- bhAvana --- 26 H, Norwich Dr., Rochester NY 14624 Phones: (716)594-9413(R) and (716)726-9887(O) Fax: (716)253-1542 From pkrishna@ARL.MIL Fri Aug 30 23:03:48 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA07687 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:03:43 -0500 Received: from hel4.arl.mil (hel4.arl.mil [128.63.37.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08468 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:03:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 0:04:45 EDT From: "Ramakrishna S. Pillalamarri" To: KP26.PRASAD@kodako.kodak.com cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: nADu-nEDu Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Research Directorate Message-ID: <9608310004.aa10486@HEL4.ARL.MIL> your poem follows the mutyAla sarAlu style 99%, with a slight deviation in the two lines, talli bhArati nutini ponda 1-mAtra short sonta lAbham tapana tappa -same- If you try to hum it along the same lines as "dESamunu prEmincumannA", you would notice that if you change the last two words to, talli bhArati nutini pondaga & sonta lAbham tapana kAnee it would "hum" better. At the risk of repetition, the structure is ABAB in three lines, and ABG in the fourth line, where A is any three-mAtra group (UI, III, IU), and B is any four-mAtra group (UU, UII, IIU, IIII), and G is just U. Note that ja-gaNa, IUI, even though it also has four mAtras, wouldn't fit well in this rhythm. For example, try the lines, sonta lAbham konta mAnuku sonta panulanu konta mAnuku sonta illE kaTTukunduku sonta moguDE vanTa cEstE anta jilEbi tanu tinEstE In the above lines, the second gaNa is UII (change lAbham to lAbhamu), IIII, UU, IIU, and IUI. See how the "gati" fails there in that last line with ja-gaNa in place of B. The defence rests! Ramakrishna PS: Now that you are firmly ensconced at Kodak, I will give you a question for which you can leisurely attempt to find an answer, if possible. Kodak makes "Wratten" filters, transparent sheets of gel-coated plastic sheets, in various colors. These are specified by some standard numbers, such as (I will give this info later). The question is, is it valid to ask for the R-G-B (or H-S-I) specification of the filter? (Assuming a 0-255 scale for each parameter). From pkrishna@ARL.MIL Fri Aug 30 23:14:56 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA07707 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:14:51 -0500 Received: from hel4.arl.mil (hel4.arl.mil [128.63.37.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08522 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:14:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 0:07:28 EDT From: "Ramakrishna S. Pillalamarri" To: KP26.PRASAD@kodako.kodak.com cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: nADu-nEDu Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Research Directorate Message-ID: <9608310007.aa16128@HEL4.ARL.MIL> Sorry. That last mail, meant just for Prasad, went to the whole group by mistake. A truly wratten mistake. Ramakrishna