From velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Mon Jul 24 01:16:39 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 01:16:37 -0500; AA20084 Received: from hermes.intel.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 01:16:34 -0500 Received: from ptdcs2.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (5.65/10.0i); Sun, 23 Jul 95 23:14:59 -0700 Received: from ptdi217 (ptdi217.al.intel.com) by ptdcs2.intel.com with SMTP id AA14551 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:14:53 -0700 From: Rajasekhar Velamuri Received: by ptdi217 (5.65c/SCDT-RS6000) id AA17348; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:14:52 GMT Message-Id: <199507240614.AA17348@ptdi217> Subject: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 23:14:52 PDT In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Topic:- ghanTasala -music director ------- -------------------------- namastE It has been quite some time since I saw any article in our mailing list, and I thought I should pitch in with what I can say. Some how I was unable to bringout two different articles on the current two subjects namely, ghanTasala as music director and the second one Is ghanTasala partial to ANR/ghantasala singing to various singers. (though the articles come in different parts they are continuation). Let me at the outset say I donot have any exposure to the music world. (the raagas, swaraas or taalaas). The only thing I do is enjoy the music that catches my ear. Several of our group members have posted articles giving an hierarchy of various music directors. Personally, I wouldnot go into those details. Some music directors might have provided more classical oriented tunes than what ghanTasala did. But, one thing I would like to assert is that ghanTasala is the first successful music director who touched the common man - an illiterate music person (like me). Before going into the gory details of what other film personalities has said, let me put this. Sometime back, while I was in Intermediate a literary giant ( Forgive me - I would not like to name the person), said to me that even before ghanTasala sang karunasri's pushpa vilapam and other songs/poems the books have undergone several reprints (which is very true), down playing G's rendering of those poems/songs. I questioned him: What is the literacy rate in Andhra Pradesh? How many more people came to know of these poems due to ghanTasala. For which the person got mad and stopped talking to me for a while. What I intend to say is ghanTasala with his light music was able to captivate the listeners both the illeterate and the educated alike, and was able to bring out the beauty of the literature and the music. (or in samudralA Jr.'s words diininE ghanTasala baani annaru.) Echoing a similar sentiment about Bhagavadgeeta, ANR once said like this. (This is my first attempt to writing in RIT) "taruvaata anniTikanTE ghanTasala chanipoyEmundu chaala goppa pani chEsarani nEnu anukunToonTanu. maa avida kooda cheputuu untundi. aa record peTTunkuni anEka saarlu vinTuvunTamu. ghanTasala abhimanulu chaala mandi unnarau. mari vaarikanTE nEnEmi takkuva abhimanini kagalugutaana? It is impossible. I am also a great admirer of ghanTasala. oka pedda samskrutA slokaalu daani gurinchi manchi cheDDalu andariki teliyacheyaDam chaala kashTam. (i took off a portion) adi elaa tochindoe ayanaki evaru suggest chesaroe ayanaki, I salute to ghanTasala aandhra desaniki oka pedda contribution, mamulu pataka jananiki naa boTi chaduvurani vaariki iicharanna maaTa". Thus with a combination of his voice, music and rendering ghanTasala provided provided numerous simple tunes to the telugu light music lover. In a similar vein aTlUri venkaTrao coudhari of AIR Hyderabad said. "ghanTasala swara daatE kaaka swara karta kooda. vastutahaga nepadya gayakudE aina sangeeta darsakudugaa padi kaalaalu paatu nilachi vundE sangeetanni andincharayana. padadam raani vaaraina paadu kogaligE telikaina varusalo anTE inTlo koochuni ubusupokaku meeru nEnu padukunettatuga vunDE ee paata vinanDi. 'pelli chesukuni illu choosukuni challaga kaalam gadapaloyE' telugu cinema prapanchamulo kalavaramayE anna paatalabhairavi loni paaTaku eenaTiki oka viSshTa sthanamunnadi. niSbdha vata varanamulo raatri padi ghantala vEla manasu vyakulato unnappadu ekkadinuncho dooranga ee paaTa vinipistE ela untundhi." atluri goes on with G's music direction with some more songs.(girija kalyanam in rahasyam, songs from lavakusa) In the next postinG I will touch on G's singing to NTR/ANR and other singers. Until then, with regards to Everyone. -rajA -- "It is the peculiarity of knowledge that those who really thirst for it always get it" - Richard Jefferies INTEL Portland Technology Development Rajasekhar(Raja) Velamuri Phone(off) : (503)642-8053 Fax : (503)591-3597 MailStop : AL4-57 email : velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Snail mail: 5200 NE Elam Young Parkway, Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 From satyadev@egr.msu.edu Mon Jul 24 11:32:18 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 11:32:15 -0500; AA25751 Received: from jeeves.egr.msu.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 11:32:11 -0500 Received: from tango.egr.msu.edu by egr.msu.edu (5.x/1.34) id AA27289; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:34:04 -0400 Received: by tango.egr.msu.edu (1.37.109.4/SMI-4.0) id AA13831; Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:29:18 -0400 From: satyadev@egr.msu.edu Message-Id: <9507241629.AA13831@tango.egr.msu.edu> Subject: Re: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199507240614.AA17348@ptdi217> from "Rajasekhar Velamuri" at Jul 23, 95 11:14:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I am Satyadev, a fresh addition to this mailing list, and am trying desperately to wrap up my PhD in Chemical Engineering at Michigan State University. This being my introductory post, I am not sure I can submit anything related to the current topic of discussion. However, like any researcher that does a literature survey before embarking on a project, I went through the archives in the ftp-site. And it did take me a loooong time to get done with it! Most of the comments that follow are responses to some of the topics discussed earlier. So please bear with me! a) There was a discussion on the credits given / not given to some singers on certain LPs / cassettes. If I remember right, in pAtALa Bairavi, under the head nEpathya gAnam, there were just three names - G, lIla and jikki (I think) - in the titles. Neither Varma nor Relangi was given credit for their songs. I wonder why - was it a matter of star value? (Was rElangi an established actor/singer by then?) b) Talking of pAtALa Bairavi and the lovely song "yenta GATu prEmayO": I remember my parents telling me that this song was quite a rage in those days and also that these opening lyrics were quite revolutionary - I don't remember exactly why - I think it was due to the choice of "GATu" as the visEshaNamu for prEma. Anyone throw more light on this? I can get more details from my parents later. c) On the subject of G's private songs, someone mentioned that "SEsha SailA vAsA" was from SrI vEnkaTESwara mahAtmyam. I seem to remember(ISTR) it as being in the movie SrI vEnkaTESwara vaiBavam, which was more like a documentary on the tirumala temple and the song being picturised on G himself. Can someone confirm? Also, what are the other movies in which he can be seen, if only in brief roles? d) Another song that was, I think, related to the wrong movie was "nI dAnanannadirA, ninnE nammina cinnadirA". Someone said it was from jayaBeri but I think it was from rAnI ratnapraBa. I seem to remember that this song was picturised on NTR; and throughout this song NTR is seated in his simHAsanam, waving just his hands around - it was pretty funny! And I think this song has just one caraNam. Another comment on this song is the way G sings at the beginning of the caraNam - "cukka, cukka, cukkala kannA tAnE cakkani dAnanannadirA ...". There is a brief music bit after the first two "cukka"-s, followed by the remaining line. Now, for the second "cukka", G changes the pitch drastically, in comparison to the rest of the song. And this brought forth a comment (in my house) "it seems G is actually pining for cukka!" (cukka is a word used synonymously with madyamu, mandu, etc., as most of you may know - as in "cukkEsukOvaDam" = mandu koTTaDam). Next time you listen to this song you may want to look out for this! Sweet music, the golden voice of G and simple, beautiful lyrics - one of my favorite songs! The movie has anjalI dEvi as the protagonist (if I am right about the movie). Who is the MD - is it AdinArAyaNa rAvu? e) The girijA kalyANam in rahasyam: another masterpiece, both lyrically and musically. But I think it has been "cut" out in the videO cassette of the movie. And now ISTR that when I saw the movie in a theatre in India (in the early seventies - so I may be mistaken), also, it wasn't shown in the movie. I think it is an antarnATakam in the movie, right? I remember all of us being disappointed after the movie! Can someone list out the main singers in this ballad (apart from G and the chorus)? I haven't heard this one in ages!!! f) Regarding AMRaja: Who were the singers in the movie pakka inTi ammAyi, starring rElangi, AMRaja and, I think, anjalI dEvi - this movie was an old black & white precursor to Padosan (Hindi) and pakkinTi ammAyi (Chandra Mohan, SPB, cakravarti and jayasudha). AMR, of course was one of the singers, but who was the other, that sang for the music teacher (Ramana Reddy?)? I am sure it wasn't G but I may be mistaken. This is another nice movie - how well did it do at the box office? - a thorough entertainer. Most of the comments above are from memory - so they may contain errors, which may please be excused / corrected. Hopefully my next post will be pertinent to the current topic! Regards to all. Satyadev. -- ************************************************************** Chilukuri N. Satyadev 1405 I Spartan Village East Lansing, MI 48823 Tel: (517) 355-0788 (Res) (517) 353-9947 (Off) ************************************************************** From OU17023@deere.com Mon Jul 24 12:43:08 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:43:06 -0500; AA26612 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:43:05 -0500 Received: from firewall by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzuk02505; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:42:54 -0400 Received: from deere.dx.deere.com by firewall (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA16765; Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:41:10 CDT Received: from TCP30.DX.DEERE.COM (tcp30-50.dx.deere.com) by deere.dx.deere.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01149; Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:42:29 CDT Received: by TCP30.DX.DEERE.COM (Soft*Switch Central V4L380P6) id 045141120095205FDACDXX21; 24 Jul 1995 12:41:12 GMT Message-Id: Date: 24 Jul 1995 12:41:12 GMT From: "KRISHNA KANDADAI" Subject: Re: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Comment: REPLY 07/24/95 11:55:28 OU17023 Date: 07/24/95 From: KRISHNA KANDADAI OU17023 - DACDXX21 To: GHANTAS2 - SAUTOIN1 Subject: Re: G - The music director ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- namastE Dear satyadEv On behalf of the other members let me welcome you to our G-group. I will try to answer your questions (whatever I can). > in pAtALa Bairavi, under the head nEpathya gAnam, there were > just three names - G, lIla and jikki (I think) - in the titles. > Neither Varma nor Relangi was given credit for their songs. I wonder > why - was it a matter of star value? (Was rElangi an established As far as my understanding goes, nEpadhya gAnam means giving "voice" to others (actors/actresses). rElangi sang for himself, not for others. So, his name need not appear under nEpadhya gAnam. But I feel it shd have appeared under the title 'gAyanii gAyakulu'. Same case with varma too. > Talking of pAtALa Bairavi and the lovely song "yenta GATu > prEmayO": I remember my parents telling me that Here are a few sentences from iinADu's alanATi mETi citrAlu series: ............ ghATu prEma annadi samAsa dRshTyA, bhAva prakaTana dRshTyA Suddha tappu ani kavi panDitulantA tiirmAnincAru ...... dAniki pingaLi ilA vivaraNa iccAru: A pATa pADina tOTarAmuDu moraTuvADu. vADi prEmalO ghATudanamE tappa mRdutvam takkuva. rAkumAriki kUDA tOTa rAmuDilO unna ghATu tanamE kanipinci enta ghATu prEmayO ani tanU pADindi.. .......... > On the subject of G's private songs, someone mentioned that > "SEsha SailA vAsA" was from SrI vEnkaTESwara mahAtmyam. I seem > to remember(ISTR) it as being in the movie SrI vEnkaTESwara vaiBavam, It is from S.V. mahAtmyam. The song which you might be referring to is 'EDukonDala SriinivAsA mUDu mUrtula tirumalESA..EDEDu janmala....' from S.V. vaibhavam. I think it is a background song; not picturised on G. > what are the other movies in which he can be seen, if only > in brief roles? Please browse again the archives of our group. > "nI dAnanannadirA, ninnE nammina cinnadirA". Someone said it > was from jayaBeri but I think it was from rAnI ratnapraBa. The song from r. ratnaprabha is 'ninna kanupincindi nannu muripincindi' If I remember right, it has 3 or 4 caraNAlu. > The girijA kalyANam in rahasyam: another masterpiece, both > lyrically and musically. But I think it has been "cut" out in the I dont remember all the singers but I know there are 6 singers who sang this long song. Four of them are G, PS, liila, mallik. I dont remember the other 2. > the singers, but who was the other, that sang for the music > teacher (Ramana Reddy?)? I am sure it wasn't G but I may be This is an unrelated question here on this group (if you excuse me). The singer is M.V. rAju. BTW, the teacher is not ramaNA reDDi. Regards Krishna Kandadai From RAYUDUR@kea.lincoln.ac.nz Mon Jul 24 22:17:10 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 22:17:08 -0500; AA03025 Received: from ono.lincoln.ac.nz by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 22:17:03 -0500 Received: from kea.lincoln.ac.nz by ono.lincoln.ac.nz (PMDF V4.3-13 #7492) id <01HTAII76M0W94GWRL@ono.lincoln.ac.nz>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:16:40 +1200 Received: from KEA/MERCURYQ by kea.lincoln.ac.nz (Mercury 1.21) ; 25 Jul 95 15:14:24 +1200 Received: from MERCURYQ by KEA (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jul 95 15:14:20 +1200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:59:16 +1200 From: RAMESH KUMAR RAYUDU Subject: Re: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Message-Id: <3D56AF060A6@kea.lincoln.ac.nz> Organization: Lincoln University X-Envelope-To: ghantasa@cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Andariki namastE Satyadev garu and krishna garu wrote: > > "nI dAnanannadirA, ninnE nammina cinnadirA". Someone said it > > was from jayaBeri but I think it was from rAnI ratnapraBa. > > The song from r. ratnaprabha is 'ninna kanupincindi nannu muripincindi' If I > remember right, it has 3 or 4 caraNAlu. Probably both the songs are for Rani Ratnaprabha. Definitely the second one. But the first one is definitely not from Jeyabheri. Proceeding further with G's "emotional" involvement in the songs, two days back I had an oppurtunity to hear one of G's immemorable songs. The song is from "Devata" and the song is "Bratukanta baadhaga, Kanniitigaadhaga". The song is so heavy the we automatically get involved in it. I think G has some signs of some breathing problems by then and the sounds of inhale-exhalation in the song have become a rhythmic ingredient in the song. If we try to sing with the song (I have a habit of doing that; It fetched me prizes!?!!), it looks odd if we don't include the breathing sounds. My point is, even with some serious ailments like that G added lustre to the songs he sang. Specially the above one. Simply Excellent. I would like to know the music D and the writer f the song please. Thankyou in advance. Ramesh ********************************************************************** Ramesh K. Rayudu, Office: Dept. Natural Resc. Engg., SICC, Lincoln University, Trans Power NZ Ltd., Canterbury, PO Box 16027, New Zealand. Hornby, rayudur@lincoln.ac.nz Christchurch, New Zealand. Phone: +64 3 3252811 x8794 (O) +64 3 3252999 (H) Fax: +64 3 3253845 If you know what you are doing, you are not learning anything - A. L. ********************************************************************** From velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Mon Jul 24 23:04:11 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 23:04:08 -0500; AA03323 Received: from hermes.intel.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 23:04:06 -0500 Received: from ptdcs2.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (5.65/10.0i); Mon, 24 Jul 95 21:04:04 -0700 Received: from ptdi217 (ptdi217.al.intel.com) by ptdcs2.intel.com with SMTP id AA02864 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:04:02 -0700 From: Rajasekhar Velamuri Received: by ptdi217 (5.65c/SCDT-RS6000) id AA30396; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 04:04:02 GMT Message-Id: <199507250404.AA30396@ptdi217> Subject: Re: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 21:04:01 PDT In-Reply-To: <3D56AF060A6@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>; from "RAMESH KUMAR RAYUDU" at Jul 25, 95 2:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Andariki namastE > Ramesh Rayudu garu wrote: > Satyadev garu and krishna garu wrote: > > > > "nI dAnanannadirA, ninnE nammina cinnadirA". Someone said it > > > was from jayaBeri but I think it was from rAnI ratnapraBa. > > This song is from jayabheri. The writer of the song is srii malladi ramakrishna sastrii and the music director is pendyala nageswara rao. -rajA -- "It is the peculiarity of knowledge that those who really thirst for it always get it" - Richard Jefferies INTEL Portland Technology Development Rajasekhar(Raja) Velamuri Phone(off) : (503)642-8053 Fax : (503)591-3597 MailStop : AL4-57 email : velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Snail mail: 5200 NE Elam Young Parkway, Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 From velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Mon Jul 24 23:09:30 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 23:09:28 -0500; AA03418 Received: from hermes.intel.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 24 Jul 95 23:09:26 -0500 Received: from ptdcs2.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (5.65/10.0i); Mon, 24 Jul 95 21:09:16 -0700 Received: from ptdi217 (ptdi217.al.intel.com) by ptdcs2.intel.com with SMTP id AA02885 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:09:15 -0700 From: Rajasekhar Velamuri Received: by ptdi217 (5.65c/SCDT-RS6000) id AA30404; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 04:09:14 GMT Message-Id: <199507250409.AA30404@ptdi217> Subject: Re: G - The music director To: ghantasa@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 21:09:14 PDT In-Reply-To: <3D56AF060A6@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>; from "RAMESH KUMAR RAYUDU" at Jul 25, 95 2:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Ramesh k. Rayudu gaaru wrote: > Proceeding further with G's "emotional" involvement in the songs, two > days back I had an oppurtunity to hear one of G's immemorable songs. > The song is from "Devata" and the song is "Bratukanta baadhaga, > Kanniitigaadhaga". The song is so heavy the we automatically get > involved in it. I think G has some signs of some breathing problems > by then and the sounds of inhale-exhalation in the song have become a > rhythmic ingredient in the song. If we try to sing with the song (I > have a habit of doing that; It fetched me prizes!?!!), it looks odd > if we don't include the breathing sounds. One donot see the same problem in the other songs in the same movie namely, aalayaanA velasina aa jeevana jyothi or the other duets or in the only padyam which he sang in the same movie. I believe it is his capability to get involved in the song. > > My point is, even with some serious ailments like that G added lustre > to the songs he sang. Specially the above one. Simply Excellent. > > I would like to know the music D and the writer f the song please. > Thankyou in advance. `The music director is S.P. Kodandapaani and the write is sri sri (srirangam srinivasa rao). -rajA -- "It is the peculiarity of knowledge that those who really thirst for it always get it" - Richard Jefferies INTEL Portland Technology Development Rajasekhar(Raja) Velamuri Phone(off) : (503)642-8053 Fax : (503)591-3597 MailStop : AL4-57 email : velamuri@ptdcs2.intel.com Snail mail: 5200 NE Elam Young Parkway, Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 From sreeni@ktpsp1.uni-paderborn.de Wed Jul 26 13:36:45 1995 Received: from cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 26 Jul 95 13:36:42 -0500; AA28795 Received: from ktpsp3.uni-paderborn.de by cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 26 Jul 95 13:36:23 -0500 Received: (from sreeni@localhost) by ktpsp3.uni-paderborn.de (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA02236 for ghantasa@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:34:25 +0200 From: Sreenivas Paruchuri Message-Id: <199507261834.UAA02236@ktpsp3.uni-paderborn.de> Subject: Coordinating the group in my absence. To: ghantasa (Mailing List Ghantasala) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:34:25 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 202 namastE! kRshNa kandADai 'll be coordinating the (G) list in my absence till the end of August. Regards, Sreenivas E-Mail: paruchuri@msmgfp.hoechst.hoechst-ag.dbp.de (valid till 21.Sep.'95)