From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 01:07:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA07533 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:07:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07529 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f19.hotmail.com [207.82.250.30]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA02481 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15902 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 06:06:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901060657.15901.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:06:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:06:57 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I didn't mean anything against enforcer Malisiten... in fact quite the opposite. I think Enforcer is one of the few houses that makes sense in DM.. although it has always been incredibly weak for some reason... I just think its bs that legion has the powers they do without any rp before hand. >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 02:50:05 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA15236; > Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:50:01 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:57 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA15202 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:55 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA15198 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:54 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA05617 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:52 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-117-105.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.117.105]) > by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24353 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:49:50 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <35EA6458.2EEAE854@bellsouth.net> >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:52:41 -0400 >From: Chris Heredia >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question >References: <19980830214825.3007.qmail@hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > > > >Xialinin Zo'xzin wrote: > >> I just want so say that I think that it is bs that enforcer had this >> crap thrown on them. > >Cut me a lil slack? Give me a few weeks, maybe just maybe the >house will shape up. Remember though I can't do anything rp-wise >or anything else, unless I have players applying. I know a few are >ranted that my "elite" aren't that good. I can only say I'm sorry that >we aren't living up to your expectations, but if I inducted no one. >That would be like....hrm a house full of no one. I can't say that >in a few weeks we'll have the house of old back again. I can't >promise things like that, but give me a few weeks maybe, just >maybe the ones that are around now, that don't know what's going, >will learn. > >I said it before and I'm a believer, that above all else experience >will do more for you. So go out into the realms explore, talk to >others, and play. > >As for the bit about Legion? You play with the cards you are delt. >And I plan to, so give me some time, I'm not exactly holding a >royal flush in hand. > >on another subject: >The abuse of power by Mecbath was uncalled for. If I had >seen that, you'd have been out on your ear, maybe a lil faster >than you were. A hint for the future: When it's said that RP is >mandatory.....We mean it. > >Malistien > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 09:03:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA21931 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21919 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10938 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:03:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wirikidor (shelby-202.shelby.net [207.201.214.202]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25449 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:03:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003501bdd5b1$304fb660$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:02:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu And I suppose you would have a better way of implementing 2 new houses to the game. Midgaard was destroyed, a new city was found, a city that Legion took control of during all the turmoil. The other cities were also taken when such a takeover was easy. Legion struck a deal with Enforcer to allow them to do their job in the protected cities, and Legion would not interfear. Legion and Enforcer are seperate, Legion does not control Enforcer. They have a mutual agreement. If you want to look at it from another POV, who gives Enforcer the right to enforcer "laws" in the first place? A group got together one day and said "Hey, lets pretend like we're cops and make a set of rules everyone has to follow." Your local cops don't make the rules, they follow them. >just think its bs that legion has the powers they do without any rp >before hand. > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 09:30:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23102 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:30:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23098 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:30:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA11605 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CETYLE.RES.CMU.EDU by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23046; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:29:14 -0400 Message-Id: <35EC049A.4648D5EB@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:28:42 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question References: <003501bdd5b1$304fb660$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu While we're on the topic of opposing houses with concrete goals (Outlaw vs Enforcer, Valor vs Legion to some extent) and definite effects on the game (Enforcer can flag, Legion can flag Rebel) other than RP, shouldn't there be some way (other than taking of an item, more permenant indicative of which house is winning the war) concrete definite effects on who's winning? >From an RP standpoint, Valor supposedly kicked the shit outta Legion, so now they are at peace. But even though the resistence beat the overlords, the overlords still control the cities. They still flag people who are rebels. I was under the impression that if the overlords lose... they actually lose. They don't shrink back to their keep and still control the towns... the towns become free... doesn't that make sense? Since it was based on the Star Wars empire, when the emperor was killed and darth vader defeated... the empire wasn't the same anymore. Outlaw vs Enforcer, this is a little more difficult because Enforcer is in a weakened state right now, but perhaps there could be some way that a number of members of a house could quest to temporarily remove a power of an opposing house. Then that other house would quest for it back? Just an idea... jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 10:54:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26808 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:54:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA26804 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:54:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13749 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:54:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:55:24 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35EC049A.4648D5EB@suffolk.lib.ny.us> References: <003501bdd5b1$304fb660$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:57:01 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Outlaw vs Enforcer, this is a little more difficult because Enforcer is >in a weakened state right now, but perhaps there could be some way that >a number of members of a house could quest to temporarily remove a power >of an opposing house. Then that other house would quest for it back? > >Just an idea... > >jim I don't think that's fair.. we Outlaw's lost offer because we were not doing our jobs, and, this is my personal opinon, not one shared by the house, because we beat the snot out of enforcer.. if the imm's impliment that idea, enforcer could quest to have our cloaks temporarily disabled, then what? then every enforcer knows who's outlaw and who's not, so the cloak's become useless, to some extent.. course, on the other side of the coin, we could quest to take enforcer's flag power away from them, then there'd be some fun in the cities :) i don't know.. to me, it's not really a good idea, but your entitled to your opinions, as i am mine.. just my thoughts.. chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 11:24:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA27443 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27439 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:24:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14520 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11135; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001a01bdd5c4$dae3a420$012102d0@default> From: "kye" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:23:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >I don't think that's fair.. we Outlaw's lost offer because we were not >doing our jobs, and, this is my personal opinon, not one shared by the >house, because we beat the snot out of enforcer.. if the imm's impliment >that idea, enforcer could quest to have our cloaks temporarily disabled, >then what? then every enforcer knows who's outlaw and who's not, so the >cloak's become useless, to some extent.. course, on the other side of the >coin, we could quest to take enforcer's flag power away from them, then >there'd be some fun in the cities :) i don't know.. to me, it's not really >a good idea, but your entitled to your opinions, as i am mine.. just my >thoughts.. Offer was *not* disabled from Outlaw because Enforcers quested that it be removed, and cloak will not be removed either. If Outlaws who should remain secret become known to Enforcers or anyone else, it is due to the foolish use of the cloak while in front of someone not in Outlaw, someone speaking the name of a cloaked Outlaw in front of non-Outlaws, (or, horrors, someone sharing info ooc). Playing an undercover type person isn't easy, but the cloak is there to help that part of the roleplaying, if used properly. Offer was abused. The offer power was there so Outlaws could steal goodies and sell them on the Black Market. The Black Market was often without goods to sell to the general population, but the inventories of Outlaws looked about as rich as the inventories of any other hoarder. Now some Outlaws were good about putting nice items up for sale at the Black Market, and they know who they are, and so do those in the Pantheon who were observing Outlaw activity. But most Outlaws were not doing so. The decision to disable offer was based on the fact that only a very small percentage of Outlaws were fencing, and the majority were abusing it to pad their inventories with limited equipment. I mean, seriously: a magic mushroom for 2 gold... We've seen that at the Black Market. In the same city, 2 gold will get about a week's worth of food. Enforcers who abuse the criminal flag wind up without a House. So there's no chance anyone is going to quest to have that power taken from them. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 12:00:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28903 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28899 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15621 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (44.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.74]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26156 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809011700.MAA26156@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:59:57 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > From an RP standpoint, Valor supposedly kicked the shit outta Legion, so > now they are at peace. But even though the resistence beat the > overlords, the overlords still control the cities. They still flag > people who are rebels. I was under the impression that if the overlords > lose... they actually lose. They don't shrink back to their keep and > still control the towns... the towns become free... doesn't that make > sense? >From a role-playing point of view, Valor did suppress Legion, but both sides endured heavy losses. Valor's only reason in going to war was to put an end of the growing violence Legion was demonstrating just prior. Though Legion views Valor as a direct enemy and threat, thus branding every known member a rebel, Valor does not view Legion the same. If Legion "thinks" it is in control, then those of Legion have less reason to turn to violence to get their way. Those of Valor should not have any excessive pride, and would see that letting Legion "think" they're in control is a small step towards peace. This small step towards peace is more important to those of Valor than destroying Legion completely. Valor does not like war. Now that it seems Legion is not as powerful, and now that Legion is not responsible for half the blood being spilled in Thera, Valor has chosen to cease war until it is necessary again. Besides, Valor needs time to heal as much as Legion. Oh, and for the record, Legion does not just "control the towns" in their view. They control Thera, towns and all. They see Enforcer as beneficial to their cause and allow Enforcer to continue enforcing their own laws in the city, as Legion has much more to worry about. Enforcer is a house of order, though obviously slightly different from the order Legion seeks, so Legion seeking a world order isn't such a bad idea in the eyes of Enforcer, who is in a weakened state right now and knows warring with Legion over one petty proposed amendment to the laws would weaken Enforcer further making it increasingly difficult to fulfill their tasks, even should they defeat Legion. The two houses don't have any official alliances I'm aware of, but it makes sense that each would use the other to help their own cause. Maybe once Legion feels it has a strong hold over the rest of Thera, and once Enforcer regains its presence and strength in the cities, we might see a conflict of interests or a struggle of power. The possibilities are endless. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 12:12:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA00794 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00778 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:12:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.hotmail.com [207.82.251.25]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16004 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:12:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 8371 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 17:11:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901171156.8370.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:11:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:11:55 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'd like to say before I begin that this is not meant to be rude or aggressive in any way, merely stating my opinion on what I've seen over the past months. Characters/Players have problems with something... it looks fishy to them. They see the houses falling apart and the fun they used to have disappearing and they want to fix it. They plead for the Imms to change things, and they do... for the worse. They see Imms talking out of both sides of there mouths.. saying we need rp but then changing things without allowing the mortals of the realms to roleplay it out. I never saw any scrolls saying Enforcer struck any deals with Legion.. and I doubt this was ever debated within the halls of Enforcer. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter how _you_ (the Imms) rationalize why you did things the way you did. It matters how the players see it, and howit makes them feel. It basically comes down to this, do you want your mud to fall apart? I have no problem with busting cheaters.. I mean shit, its one of the primary functions of an Imm, but I don't think its neccessary for Imms to reach down and mold the world every five seconds. Do things subtly... make sotry lines develope while you work in the background.. and people will be happy when they _SEE_ a House forming slowly before there eyes rather than having it shoved down their throats and told to deal with it. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 12:40:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA02352 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:40:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02348 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:39:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16688 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:39:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ian2.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id NAA14896 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809011740.NAA14896@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:43:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I never > saw any scrolls saying Enforcer struck any deals with Legion.. and I > doubt this was ever debated within the halls of Enforcer. > and people will be happy when they _SEE_ a > House forming slowly before there eyes rather than having it shoved down > their throats and told to deal with it. Would Legion have been able to take control SlowlY?? I don't think so....it wouldn't have been as effective.....during the Chaos they just walked in and set up camp and screw the rest of you, we are the head haunchos around here. That, in my eyes, just wouldn't have worked anyother way. And once you have a power like that in place the "rebels" who don't like it are going to pop up all over the place quickly and try and get organized asap. True it might have been possible to rp it better but give them a break, at the same time they where dealing with the destruction of Midgaard, and the whole great evil thingy which was kinda cool..... Anyway...that is just my .02$ ;) Ian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 13:14:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA03227 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03223 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17652 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13406 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01bdd5d4$4ed35e20$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:14:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >disappearing and they want to fix it. They plead for the Imms to change >things, and they do... for the worse. They see Imms talking out of both >sides of there mouths.. saying we need rp but then changing things >without allowing the mortals of the realms to roleplay it out. I never >saw any scrolls saying Enforcer struck any deals with Legion.. and I >doubt this was ever debated within the halls of Enforcer. >When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter how _you_ (the Imms) >rationalize why you did things the way you did. It matters how the >players see it, and howit makes them feel. It basically comes down to >this, do you want your mud to fall apart? I have no problem with busting >cheaters.. I mean shit, its one of the primary functions of an Imm, but >I don't think its neccessary for Imms to reach down and mold the world >every five seconds. Do things subtly... make sotry lines develope while >you work in the background.. and people will be happy when they _SEE_ a >House forming slowly before there eyes rather than having it shoved down >their throats and told to deal with it. What I don't understand is why you haven't started your own mud yet? You have a copy of Tartarus, with a little work you can get it up and running, I did just for kicks. I'm sure you can do the same and implement all your ideas. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 14:40:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06720 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06716 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20167 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01bdd5c4$dae3a420$012102d0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:43:05 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Offer was *not* disabled from Outlaw because Enforcers quested that it be >removed, and cloak will not be removed either. If Outlaws who should remain >secret become known to Enforcers or anyone else, it is due to the foolish >use of the cloak while in front of someone not in Outlaw, someone speaking >the name of a cloaked Outlaw in front of non-Outlaws, (or, horrors, someone >sharing info ooc). Playing an undercover type person isn't easy, but the >cloak is there to help that part of the roleplaying, if used properly. > >Offer was abused. The offer power was there so Outlaws could steal goodies >and sell them on the Black Market. The Black Market was often without goods >to sell to the general population, but the inventories of Outlaws looked >about as rich as the inventories of any other hoarder. Now some Outlaws were >good about putting nice items up for sale at the Black Market, and they know >who they are, and so do those in the Pantheon who were observing Outlaw >activity. But most Outlaws were not doing so. The decision to disable offer >was based on the fact that only a very small percentage of Outlaws were >fencing, and the majority were abusing it to pad their inventories with >limited equipment. I mean, seriously: a magic mushroom for 2 gold... We've >seen that at the Black Market. In the same city, 2 gold will get about a >week's worth of food. > >Enforcers who abuse the criminal flag wind up without a House. So there's no >chance anyone is going to quest to have that power taken from them. > >Xyza No no, my reply was in response to an idea to have house powers taken away from us by our house's rival by questing, not what you said.. i know enforcer didn't quest to have offer taken away, and i know it was being abused.. and yer right, people who know the outlaw's either 1. have an outlaw, and can pretty much guess who's who, or 2. some outlaw is using their other char's, if any, and saying he has an outlaw.. god only know i do that, but i don't tell the people my outlaw's name.. most of my close ic friends know i'm outlaw, and i'm hoping they don't say anything to other people.. oh well.. that's how it goes, i guess.. chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 14:51:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07493 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07489 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20517 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:51:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8WUKa04369 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1bc5633e.35ec4ffa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:50:18 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think it would be cool if Enforcer turned on Legion. If Legion merely "accepts Enforcer's presence" then maybe the Enforcers might want to make a little more of an impression. That may have been a fatal mistake on Legion's part and Enforcer can take advantage of it. While Legion trusts Enforcer to take care of thier towns, Enforcer is secretly plotting to take back the streets and end Legion's power over thier house. What'cha think? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 14:57:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07976 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:57:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07972 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:57:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20705 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:57:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8RCLa09042 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48abba46.35ec518c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:57:00 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 9/1/98 1:40:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, givanbus@unity.ncsu.edu writes: << I don't think so....it wouldn't have been as effective.....during the Chaos they just walked in and set up camp and screw the rest of you, we are the head haunchos around here >> Kinda like coming in as a dictator (like Hitler) and giving the people hope through the Chaos and then totally taking over, good way to sum it up. >at the same time they where dealing with the destruction of >Midgaard, and the whole great evil thingy which was kinda cool..... Exactly, the destruction of Midgaard was well played out: first the attack of the Archlich when a meteor fell near the south gate and all the hero's of the realm rushed to fight it back while the lesser peoples fought against the zombies that were rising up out of the ground. then comes the doomsayer, he lasts for a while shouting that the world is gonna end. Then comes the gaint meteor, and the Great Evil (or whatever it was called) and it took over the Red Dragon., then the final destruction. Let me know if I missed anything but overall it was pretty fairly well played out. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 15:01:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08671 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:01:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08652 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:01:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com ([209.1.224.139] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20794 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (2Cust50.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.35.42.50]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06570 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201bdd5e3$a368f8a0$322a2399@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: outlaw secrecy Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:03:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >most of my close ic >friends know i'm outlaw, and i'm hoping they don't say anything to other >people.. oh well.. that's how it goes, i guess.. > The secretive aspect is one of the best parts of being an Outlaw, I think. Even though I can't really take advantage of it. Its almost like having two characters for the price of one. A good Outlaw who sticks to the House goals while cloaked, can pretty much run amok as he sees fit while uncloaked (guided by good RP, of course.) The real-life fact that so many players play in a lab with people watching over their shoulders kinda voids the secrecy part. *sigh* Oh, well. All I can do is continue to dis those applicants who come to me claiming they know our whole House when their is no IC way they could know. (i.e. Nedel) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 15:34:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09179 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09175 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:34:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21847 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id PAA10192; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:29:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006001bdd5e7$d3cb0020$012102d0@default> From: "kye" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Dark Mists Is Temporarily Down Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Dark Mists is temporarily down. The account has been deactivated due to lack of payment. Styx and I had a talk about this last week and he said he would be paying it this week when he got his paycheck. I, unfortunately, have been in no shape to handle the payments myself due to my current financial situation (the other Immortals know about it, and it's none of the business of the rest of you, so don't ask), or this would have been taken care of. Before you all go crazy about suggesting new places to put DM, let's get past this week first. We should be up and running again as soon as the account is paid for this quarter, and I trust Styx will keep to his word about it. As for the ugly griping and general ugliness that has been mushrooming lately: People, nobody has ever chained you to this game, and those of you who have been cheating and get caught and cry about it, or cry about us not catching cheaters, or whatever: A) get a life. B) you claim there are better MUDS out there. Maybe there are. Go play there and leave us be. C) The immortals of Dark Mists who have played mortals here have every right to play mortals and have fun. They do all the work, they can kick back and relax. Those of you who believe otherwise, go play somewhere else. Immortals: Now is an excellent time to put your minds to those unfinished areas and unfinished coding projects that you're working on locally. To our loyal players who enjoy us without the ugly griping: fear not, we'll be back soon enough. Kick back and relax until then. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 15:37:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09423 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09419 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:37:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA21902 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CETYLE.RES.CMU.EDU by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16760; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: <35EC5A91.C6BA51D@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:35:29 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question References: <003501bdd5b1$304fb660$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I didn't mean quest removal of all powers, maybe of one of the minor ones so that you know who's winning. Or maybe make up some rp only abilities (like maybe outlaw can contact all chaotic or something) that won't impact the game but that they can be disabled if a certain number of the opposing house manages to complete some task. THis has nothing ot do with offer being disabled and I didn't mean to imply that it was the reason offer was removed. Outlaws didn't fence and removal of offer and such was a very good rp way of dealing with the problem. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 16:07:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10449 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10445 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:07:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22666 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:07:19 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8ADBa20020 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <177bd4b6.35ec61c2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:06:10 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM being down Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Dear guys, If there is a problem with cash let the players know. Some of us might can help out. ` Brian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 16:17:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10826 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10822 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22868 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:35 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8LHWa24646 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77e9d44a.35ec643c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:16:44 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM being down Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu How much money does it take to run something like this? I really have no clue at all and am a little curious. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 16:51:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12134 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:51:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12130 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23702 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <177bd4b6.35ec61c2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:53:55 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM being down Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Dear guys, > >If there is a problem with cash let the players know. Some of us might can >help out. > >` > Brian Amen to that.. i'd be glad to send some cash to keep the place goin, cept i'm pretty far away, and you all know how fast snail mail is :) still, if i can help, i will, just let me know Chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 16:59:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12590 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:59:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12586 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:59:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA23906 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:59:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5606 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 21:58:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901215859.5605.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.201.51 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.201.51] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM being down Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:58:58 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I gotta second that, I think there are a lot of players that would be willing to chip in a bit. Let me know personally through e-mail if you want, but I would be willing to help out any way I can. Later, Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 21:03:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20247 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:03:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20243 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28492 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-211-251.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.211.251]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id TAA02753 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35ECA592.AAECE11E@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:55:31 -0700 From: stephen davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Sad Days References: <19980901060657.15901.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This is sad to see that we could not pay our bill. Troubled times have definitely come to our lands. I hope that this is not the end. If the players need to help say the word. - Steve aka Bontrager and a few others From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 1 21:58:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21592 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:58:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21588 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:58:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from templar.fgi.net (root@templar.fgi.net [206.101.112.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29441 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:58:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from home.wincoinet.com (wc183.wincoinet.com [208.130.69.183]) by templar.fgi.net (8.9.0/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA18829 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: <35ECB30E.6D5D@wincoinet.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:53:02 -0500 From: Yancey Gregory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] dm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I've been gone this last week and I cant log in to the mud and the web page is all screwy too. Did I miss something? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 2 00:49:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27244 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:49:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27240 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:49:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02669 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-114-184.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.114.184]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15336 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35ECCEF2.87BF9011@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:52:02 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question References: <1bc5633e.35ec4ffa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Bond0078@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be cool if Enforcer turned on Legion. If Legion merely > "accepts Enforcer's presence" then maybe the Enforcers might want to make a > little more of an impression. That may have been a fatal mistake on Legion's > part and Enforcer can take advantage of it. While Legion trusts Enforcer to > take care of thier towns, Enforcer is secretly plotting to take back the > streets and end Legion's power over thier house. What'cha think? Who knows what will happen in the future. I don't force my house into war,they have to want it, and even then it's the Leaders call. In the near future, I don't see anything dramatic happening. Who am I to say though. Malistien From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 2 00:54:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27422 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27418 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA02768 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:53:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dakota1.airmail.net from [206.66.11.76] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.252) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 2 Sep 98 00:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: "Adam" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Down Time Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:53:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sorry about this guys..we'll be up sometime Wednesday when my check gets here..I got automatic deposit so its instantaneous when they pay me. Anyhow..I apologize...I just got some new toys (jetski) so my bills have gone up and this one hit me at a real shitty time right after I shelled out the down payment....but anyhow..sorry..this aint free, I aint rich..but we'll be up tomorrow and back to running free and clear. =) -adam/styx Oh..and somebody asked how much this operation costs...uhm...its costs about a thousand dollars a year...we pay..shit...250 a quarter?..something like that...I dunno. But I dont take money from players, and if the shit really hit the fan and I got fired we'd move to a free machine. But I wont get fired so dont worry. I'm the only one who knows wtf goes on at work. -later From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 2 07:13:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA05423 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:13:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA05400 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:12:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA07417 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:11:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:13:13 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:14:50 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Down Time Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Sorry about this guys..we'll be up sometime Wednesday when my check gets >here..I got automatic deposit so its instantaneous when they pay me. > >Anyhow..I apologize...I just got some new toys (jetski) so my bills have >gone up and this one hit me at a real shitty time right after I shelled out >the down payment....but anyhow..sorry..this aint free, I aint rich..but >we'll be up tomorrow and back to running free and clear. =) > >-adam/styx > >Oh..and somebody asked how much this operation costs...uhm...its costs >about a thousand dollars a year...we pay..shit...250 a quarter?..something >like that...I dunno. > >But I dont take money from players, and if the shit really hit the fan and >I got fired we'd move to a free machine. But I wont get fired so dont >worry. I'm the only one who knows wtf goes on at work. > >-later Hehehe, that's nice to hear adam.. glad to know you have job security :) But seriously, i would help out if you all needed it.. so would almost everyone else i'm willin to bet.. we all toss in about 5 bucks each, and that would easly cover it.. *shrug* your call, but i would help Chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 2 13:04:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22659 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:04:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22655 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21631 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id MAA11728; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000601bdd69b$2a5488e0$422102d0@default> From: "kye" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] >>Dark Mists is Up Again<< Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:57:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu We're up and running again. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 3 10:01:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28394 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28390 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:01:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27699 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id R5ZR334G; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35EEB0AC.FA89B5F9@logex.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:07:24 -0400 From: tdavis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] Signing Off Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu There is nothing like logging on after two weeks and finding your character randomly in the realm of the dead and unhoused. It's gotten old dealing with the Imm's and I am moving on. I've never really understood immortals who take their 'roleplaying' views into players' player files and intentionally fuss with them. Why not jsut wait till the person is present. Oh well... Anyhow. I am done with DarkMists. You guys who run it had something pretty decent when I started playing here. But recently it's become a tumor. Growing worse by the day. You know it. The players know it. And soon the realms will be a barren waste. I hopeyou all can fix this downward spiral you've put yourself in it. I'll leave you "Newer" players with a few nifty set ups if you are using Zmud and those who don't have these already, here ya go. Just cut and paste what's below. Or email if you dont understand (though I may not respond). ROLLING FOR STATS (Trigger) Pattern: Str: (%d) Int: (%d) Wis: (%d) Dex: (%d) Con: (%d) Accept these%x Command: #if ((%1 + %2 + %3 + %4 + %5) >= 91) {y} {n} Hit your options button in trigger screen and click on "Enable" "Newline" and "Trigger on Trigger" - Just change the number '91' to what ever suits you best. Your character stats add up to around 100. 91 is a good way to start. 92 takes too long. TARGETING SYSTEM for fighting (Alias) - Lots of you need this, sheesh! Alias Name: Target Commands: #var tracktarget {%1} Type in your screen prompt - "Target Kije" - Nothing will seem to happen Now go into trigger and make a new trigger like this: Pattern: Kije is here. Command: Lunge @tracktarget As soon as you walk into market square you will lunge kije. You can completely make all sorts of variations of this with spells, etc. REMEMBER - @tracktarget is your "target" per say, the universal term. So Backstab @tracktarget, or c 'Lightning' @tracktarget ... etc etc. Anything you want to do to your target. example: Pattern: @tracktarget is DEAD!!! Command: Get all corpse Or Pattern: @tracktarget arrives Suddenly! Command: Bash @tracktarget or Pattern: [LIFE] the protector: INTRUDER! INTRUDER! Command: get sword;d;d;d;w;w; c 'wrath' @tracktarget Pattern: You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by the protector' Command: Flee s;s;s;u;u;u;get gauntlet;bj @tracktarget Ask Xeonauz about his days with that one as Rupprecht. :) Also you can use @tracktarget in macros. Like set up F3 macro as "lunge @tracktarget" When ever you hit F3, you will lunge Kije (from above). WARNING - remember even when you quit out of zmud, your target will still be set up. So remeber to target yourself, or some gibberish in case you accidently lunge someone. If you are creative, you can make all sorts of shit with this. Like triple target systems for fighitng multiple poeple. ----- Anyhow - I am out of here. Those I liked, you'd know it if I talked to you. If I didn't, you probably sucked. Sincerely: Hobbes, Hadeas & Hashen (there's a pattern there, btw) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 3 15:22:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19070 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19066 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f167.hotmail.com [207.82.251.53]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07196 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 23727 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 1998 20:21:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980903202137.23726.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:21:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Goodbye to all... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:21:37 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have decided to do whats right... to leave DM and all the wasted effort it represents. I left CF for a Mud with innovative, interesting, and friendly people. I hated Cador.. the prick couldn't do much other than cuss you out and be an asshole. But it seems like his personality has come full-steam into the Heavens of DM, and with it a sense of loss many players are feeling. Thanks to Adorno for making time there fun for a while.. and to RIallus for tlaking to me.. I hope you can implement some of the ideas we discussed. Thanks to Brian, my good good friend who took care of House Life after I was gone,... Thanks to you guys for the times I had with Sylvaene.. thanks to Vierna for making me piss my pants and motivate me to get my first hero. You guys were great... when we had a real mud to play. Anyway... this is me signing off. I'm slimming down the page to include only the armory.. I'll keep updating it if you send me stuff, although no one has so its hard to keep it going. Those of you who are leaving.. tell me where you're going... maybe we can meet up and have fun elsewhere together. Sylvaene Mistwind, High Priest of Adorno, Leader of Life Killian Kage-no Xialinin Zo'xzin Crucifyr Andalor Kumo Vazerous etc etc etc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 6 23:06:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA22491 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22487 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:06:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17155 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:06:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Dielantha@aol.com Received: from Dielantha@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8GSCa24183 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:05:29 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Darkmists Official Webpage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Heya folks, *Mortal and Immortal house leaders are on the web page. *Under the "information" link you will now find a page to access links to unofficial dm pages. If you have a dm page and want a link, mail me with the addie. More additions soon to come. Dielantha From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 14 05:09:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA04680 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:09:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA04676 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:09:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com (mta@ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.2.50]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA00335 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from home.com ([24.64.68.63]) by ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-53853L0S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <35FCEBD6.5863373C@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:11:34 -0600 From: Robert Whitney Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Mailing List Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Valor Wait? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just out of curiousity..if Cedric is too busy to conduct many interviews and induct new people why not give Shamutanti induction privs? I have a character who has been waiting for a couple weeks now for Cedric to interview me..and I know i am not the only one. Everytime I ask him for an interview I get told he is too busy or just about to leave. Understandably he has responsibilities IC and IRL other than inducting new recruits...delegation of responsiblities would be one answer. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 14 09:22:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA10600 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10596 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00375 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:22:33 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8BSTa17585 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:51 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] just a suggestion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu If Valors steeds can go anywhere without loosing movement at all, why shouldn't Centaurs get at least some movement bonus? Maybe something like the movement bonus of flying, without anything else. They have hooves, they shouldn't get as tired as regular races. Maybe they already do, but this list has gotton quiet and I thought I'd say something. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 14 12:32:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA14782 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14778 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:32:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.9]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05531 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (64.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.94]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02539 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:32:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809141732.MAA02539@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Valor's Steeds Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:31:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The steeds of Valor lose movement. If you ride a steed, you don't lose movement, since you're not the one walking around. When a steed charges, they lose an enormous amount of movement, so that they can only be used to charge a few times within a short period of time before they're too tired. A centaur in Valor cannot mount a steed, so they will still lose movement while walking, but they don't require a steed to charge. They do, however, lose enormous amounts of movement while charging as well, which could leave them stranded if they're not careful and also limits the number of times they can charge. That should clear everything up. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 14 17:36:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA26808 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26804 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:36:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10403 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:36:13 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8DZNa10121 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <423afd5.35fd9a36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:35:34 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Valor's Steeds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This isn't what I meant...I meant that the steeds do not loose movements regularly moving, so why shouldn't the regular old centaur get some sort of movement bonus compared to normal races that walk on regular feet and not hooves. That suggestion had nothing to do with Valor other than that steeds do not tire walking as people do and I'm sorry if I was confusing. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 14 19:15:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA29215 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29209 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12749 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:15:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (18.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.48]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15273 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809150016.TAA15273@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Valor's Steeds Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:15:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > This isn't what I meant...I meant that the steeds do not loose movements > regularly moving, so why shouldn't the regular old centaur get some sort of > movement bonus compared to normal races that walk on regular feet and not > hooves. That suggestion had nothing to do with Valor other than that steeds do > not tire walking as people do and I'm sorry if I was confusing. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Steeds DO tire and DO lose movement. Centaurs, in the same way, DO tire and DO lose movement. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 20 10:32:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17741 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17737 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:31:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06794 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:31:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust183.tnt14.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.163.183]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21297 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901bde4ac$825a3660$b7a3fed0@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] alignment and roleplay Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:35:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A couple people have asked me about roleplay regarding light v. dark path. My take on it is this, for those who have questions. As a House leader, I have no problems with assisting my housemates or our allies if the need arises, regardless of path. I think as an Outlaw, there is no problem with House goals (bashing law enforcement) taking precedence over path when the two interfere. I know Arcana, for instance does not see it this way, but I disagree. It astounds me that an ArchMage of a different path would stand aside and let another ArchMage get bashed by Crusaders just because they aren't the same align. I'm not suggesting that they should change how they operate, I'm just suggesting that Outlaws don't work this way. I'm posting this for comments. If the imms insist that this is not acceptable roleplay, I will abide by it. (but unhappily) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 20 19:45:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA25138 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA25134 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:45:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13109 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:45:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CETYLE.RES.CMU.EDU by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07392; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:44:33 -0400 Message-Id: <3605A113.224DFA40@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:42:59 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Darkwood's Anti-Gangbanger Policy References: <000901bde4ac$825a3660$b7a3fed0@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think that this is walking periously close to an immortal trying to majorly influence mortal affairs. I personally don't like gangbangs, though some people do deserve it, but it happens and it's a part of life on dm and you need to live with it. I'm tempted to think that a mortal character of Darkwood's got gangbanged and he's not very happy and I know some will say "Well Crusader is honorable and they should do this." Well, no. Crusader is a band of "honorable" knights that do combat against the magic in the realm. They hate magic, they are just honorale about it. But if a group of warriors gangbang someone... they get marked and crusaders go after them? Something's not right. Whatever comes of this, i just want to make my point clear that this is something that is stupid. There are a lot of really good ideas out there and having crusader stop all gangbanging using gangbang tactics is not one of them. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 20 19:56:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA25361 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA25357 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13237 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:56:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wilemonf from [207.136.60.10] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.252) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 20 Sep 98 19:56:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000701bde4fa$e0a7eb60$0a3c88cf@wilemonf> From: "Adam Gamble" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] IMMORTALS Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Kye or Xurinos..email me ASAP..I've upgraded to win98, cant find anyones addies, and theres other shit going wrong. email me asap. -adam From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 13:03:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17338 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17334 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16642 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:03:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from naI.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id NAA02741 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211758.NAA02741@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Titles Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:03:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think that people that quest for a title should live upto there title in order to keep it. If they don't live up to it, then why have it to begin with. Now, I am going to use Horath for an example. His title is Horath Erlking, Thorn in Crusader's Side. Okay, that is all fine and good, but he does nothing against Crusader that I know of. At least not when any Crusader is in the realms. Now, I would think that to be a Thorn in someones side you would have to be doing something to bother them. Anyway, I think looking at the broader picture, if you have quested for a title such as that then you should be required to live up to it or have it taken away. Ian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 16:38:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA23052 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:38:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23048 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22222 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:38:43 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8CKVa10158 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <94141a6.3606c5ea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:32:26 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Forsaken Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think the Forsaken flag idea for gang bangers could be a good thing if it isn't abused, someone shouldn't get flagged forsaken for ganging once or twice to get rid of some people who deserve it, but instead reserve it for the complete morons who run around in their gangs killing people and never leave their guilds without a gang. Just my thoughts. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 17:12:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA24085 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:12:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24081 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:12:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22997 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:12:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8FNFa03120 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17ada889.3606ceca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:10:18 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Forsaken Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think this idea is a waste of time. Yes, Manprsnguy it can be good if its not abused but dont Necromancers in a way gang? THey get an army of undead that are about as powerfull as players. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 17:26:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA24826 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24822 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23353 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:25:59 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8CEGa07909 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6bfbf74d.3606d0f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:19:31 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Forsaken Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hi all, The fact is we don't need another set of enforcers. Honestly why would a mage want to go to the house that hates them and report a gangbang? People gang bang that's a reality in the mud its happened since it began, there is no reason for there to be a forsaken flag put on a person to do it. I've been gang banged, and I have dished it out that way. It can be real discouraging but getting a house to destroy people that do it. At one point or another people have attacked people in groups admittedly some haven't but for the most part they have. Now agreed it sucks but you have a freaking assassin house don't put the haters of magic on the job cause quite frankly I wouldn't want them representing me. The power they hold is immense and is silly to unleash it on the general public. If a person is upset about a gangbang then get a bounty on their heads with Ancients not whine to an immortal about it so that the crusader can destroy peoples characters. Cause quite frankly the forsaken flag is incentive enough to join for most people. Out of curiosity how many of you agree or disagree with this? It would be nice to see some comments come out of it. Brian Hodge From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 17:27:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25202 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:27:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25182 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:27:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23392 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:27:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from naI.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id SAA03843 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809212222.SAA03843@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Forsaken Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:26:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This idea isn't a waste of time, and the army of undead isn't as powerfull as players. I think what Darkwood is trying to do Is a very good idea, it will dicourage a group of 3 to 4 people from going around and one by one slaying all of the people in there range. > I think this idea is a waste of time. Yes, Manprsnguy it can be good if its > not abused but dont Necromancers in a way gang? THey get an army of undead > that are about as powerfull as players. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 19:18:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA01186 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:18:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01182 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.9]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA25569 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:18:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (7.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.37]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24647 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809220015.TAA24647@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Forsaken Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:12:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Anyone who thinks the idea of Darkwood handing out the Forsaken flag has absolutely no merit has not bothered to think about it. First, I've seen a great number of assumptions already given on this list as fact. If you don't know details, that's one thing, but if you're using empty facts to back your opinion, you end up looking rather foolish. Darkwood (notice the plain English here) is who decides whether someone is dishonorable enough to be Forsaken by Crusader, a house of honor. He has never stated his criteria for flagging someone thus, so I don't see why people think they already know. If someone repeatedly uses dishonorable techniques, then the house of Crusader just might teach them a painful lesson. If Valor sees someone repeatedly threaten the peace of the people, they will also teach a lesson. Notice that Crusader's punishment might be dishonorable if taken from context, as Valor's punishment is anything but peaceful if taken from context. The idea is the same. Houses seek a greater goal, not necessarily a series of acceptable events. Now, I know for a fact that Darkwood will not hand out this flag lightly, as he has not done so in the past. This is why this power lies in the hands of an immortal, and he has set himself strict rules for its usage. The idea is to basically integrate Crusader more into the realm and show them more as a house of honor and not just magic-haters. If you still think Crusader is only about hating magic, then you need to wake yourself up before the world passes you by. But, for those of you who do see Crusader as such, we're trying to help you get a clue. I've also heard people say they don't want Crusader representing them. I don't even see the need to explain this, but I suppose I will, since it seems some don't understand. Crusader is a house that does things to reach a greater goal, whether it be global or personal. In fact, this is how most houses operate. Now, if a cloaked Outlaw attacks an Enforcer who is running around town slaying criminals, would you feel like this Outlaw is representing you if you wore a flag? If so, you're most likely wrong, as the Outlaw is likely just trying to express his freedom and/or help others break the chains of the law. The same applies with Crusader. If they seek to slay someone who continually acts dishonorable, they do it to make a point and to teach a lesson to that person. If you were the last person ganged by that individual or some sort, don't go around thinking you invoked Crusader's wrath. That's ridiculous. Now, I'm not trying to make anyone feel like an idiot, but I have a really hard time believing people actually thought about their comments before making them. If you're going to say something derogatory about a newly implemented idea, at least do yourself a favor and think first. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 23:38:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA07370 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:38:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07366 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:38:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08751 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from naI.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id AAA24109 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809220438.AAA24109@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Question Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:43:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay, I have a random Question for you. Lets say you only had 100 hps, and you put on the Robe of Pain, which gives you -200hps, what would happen?? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 21 23:52:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA07578 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07574 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08994 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CETYLE.RES.CMU.EDU by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04356; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:51:35 -0400 Message-Id: <36072C78.DF082BAE@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:50:00 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Question References: <199809220438.AAA24109@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu 100 hps - 200 hps = -100 hps. -100 hps = dead. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 22 00:00:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07863 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:00:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07859 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:00:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f58.hotmail.com [207.82.251.192]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09144 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:00:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24796 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1998 05:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980922050016.24795.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.201.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:00:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.201.67] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:00:16 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well actually it would give you I beleive one hours time to take the item off. My first character was handed the shephers crook which is the same sort of thing. I was first level with -200 hp's staff or something like that. I see myself and like -1000% or something areful like that. I didn't die right away though I beleive I would of had I waited one tick. I immediately took it off though. Well maybe that will shed some light on that. Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 22 00:04:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA08079 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:04:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08075 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:04:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09291 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:04:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from naI.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id BAA25165 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809220504.BAA25165@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Question Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:09:13 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I thought of this too.....but would it happen like this or would you just have 1 hp, like the counter couldn't go below 0. > 100 hps - 200 hps = -100 hps. > > -100 hps = dead. > > jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 22 07:29:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14888 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:29:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14884 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:29:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15627 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA98660; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:24:48 +0300 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:24:48 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Question In-Reply-To: <199809220438.AAA24109@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Ian wrote: > Okay, I have a random Question for you. Lets say you only had 100 hps, > and you put on the Robe of Pain, which gives you -200hps, what would > happen?? > > Well, once, with my Sonia, I'd given that robe to a lowbie dwarf, and waited for the tic to pass. After the tic, he was lying unconcious on the floor, not being able to do anything. Dunno how could he survive, in such a situation, you cant quit, delete or die. Prolly need an immortal to slay you. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 11:41:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA06738 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:41:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06734 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:41:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23370 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:41:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:42:52 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:45:07 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok, i've got a topic we can talk about, now that the list seems dead. Warriors. I play one, and i must say, that i'm dissapointed in the way the class is setup.. physically, it's the toughest class, we get all the weapon's and alot of skills, but almost all other classes except 2, cleric and paladin, get an instant death spell. Channeler's get disint, Necro's get pwk, nightwalker get pwf, a-p's get pws AND cleave.. that's really what i want to talk about. A-p's are a combination of warrio and mage, so why should they get the cleave skill, when get already get pws, which doesn't kill anyone i know, but makes it so that they can't move, flee, recall, yada yada yada.. my beef is that warrior's, as a pure fighter class, should get the cleave skill, since we can't use magic, or magical items.. we don't get scroll's, wands, staves.. now, i've played most classes, the only one's i haven't played are necro's and monk's, and to a lesser extent, a-p's.. you might argue that we are tought enought now, but i beg to differ.. i dueled falanderin twice, she never used elementals's either time, but she was sanced, and i wasn't.. first time, i got killed majorly because she had prevent casted, and she had as much hp as i did, plus she was doin twice the damage i was.. the second time, she didn't have prevent, and didn't use elementals, and i beat her, but just barely.. at the time, she had just a shade over 800 hp with no prevent.. i have 1300+, and i was below 25% when she fled.. this just goes to show how weak the warrior class is, because we are vulnerable to magic.. you might say go deck yerself out in saves gear, but even that doesn't work, cause we would still lose.. when i played my hero channeler quintar, i could walk all over nicely decked out warrior's, while i had just basic gear, and i never used disint either.. what i'm saying is that something should be done to improve the class, cause the only good warrior is a crusader, who can do MAJOR damage with deathblow.. but those are the only good warrior's.. my outlaw is tough, sure, but i can get my ass kicked by any kind of mage.. just my thoughts.. Vishran From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 12:06:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07467 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:06:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07463 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:06:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24166 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:06:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23862 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bde714$5bffe0e0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:05:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'll have to agree that the warrior class is rather lacking. I swore I would never play a warrior, but with they big hype about changeling warriors, I tried one out. I've presented the argument about having cleave added to warriors, but was turned down for some good reason, I forget what it was now. Personally, I think the warrior class and the thief class sucks. People who play thieves live just to be pissy, they aren't well rounded, after a bj and a bs, what else do you have? Warriors have more abilities, more weapons, pugil, lash, crush (which hardly works), and bash (which doesn't do anywhere near as good as lash), disarm, dirt kick, and shield cleave. I have spent a lot of time mastering abilities, like crush ground control and all 4 attacks, but even hasted, I don't get that many attacks, and the rare times I do get a crush through, ground control is rare (though mastered as well). Warriors lack the ability to really screw people over, with things like blind and curse. I find I keep comparing warriors with night walkers and a-p's, and warriors are inferior a-p's get cleave, and some nasty spells like summon and blind. nightwalkers get 3 attacks, hide, sneak, dirt, shield cleave, most weapons, and some nasty spells to blind, curse, and instant kill. I'd say the only advantage warriors have over those 2 classes in the HP and the experience needed to rank. I'd like to see warriors gain some type of crippling move, to help keep opponents still (but not like lash). Warriors have no way of keeping people from wording or teleporting, they rely on potions to see invis, can't use staves or wands (unless your a gnome). Oh yeah, I'm not sure where you got the "warriors are weak against magic" thing because they aren't, that's racial. One more thing, when your just standing around, and a thief or a channeler is in the room with you, you think twice about standing around, cuz you'll be blackjacked or disintegrated. Same goes for ap, nw, necro. Does anyone fear warriors? Not really. --tim Xeonauz -----Original Message----- From: Chris Melski To: Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 12:42 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's >Ok, i've got a topic we can talk about, now that the list seems dead. >Warriors. I play one, and i must say, that i'm dissapointed in the way the >class is setup.. physically, it's the toughest class, we get all the >weapon's and alot of skills, but almost all other classes except 2, cleric >and paladin, get an instant death spell. Channeler's get disint, Necro's >get pwk, nightwalker get pwf, a-p's get pws AND cleave.. that's really what >i want to talk about. A-p's are a combination of warrio and mage, so why >should they get the cleave skill, when get already get pws, which doesn't >kill anyone i know, but makes it so that they can't move, flee, recall, >yada yada yada.. my beef is that warrior's, as a pure fighter class, should >get the cleave skill, since we can't use magic, or magical items.. we don't >get scroll's, wands, staves.. now, i've played most classes, the only one's >i haven't played are necro's and monk's, and to a lesser extent, a-p's.. >you might argue that we are tought enought now, but i beg to differ.. i >dueled falanderin twice, she never used elementals's either time, but she >was sanced, and i wasn't.. first time, i got killed majorly because she had >prevent casted, and she had as much hp as i did, plus she was doin twice >the damage i was.. the second time, she didn't have prevent, and didn't use >elementals, and i beat her, but just barely.. at the time, she had just a >shade over 800 hp with no prevent.. i have 1300+, and i was below 25% when >she fled.. this just goes to show how weak the warrior class is, because we >are vulnerable to magic.. you might say go deck yerself out in saves gear, >but even that doesn't work, cause we would still lose.. when i played my >hero channeler quintar, i could walk all over nicely decked out warrior's, >while i had just basic gear, and i never used disint either.. what i'm >saying is that something should be done to improve the class, cause the >only good warrior is a crusader, who can do MAJOR damage with deathblow.. >but those are the only good warrior's.. my outlaw is tough, sure, but i can >get my ass kicked by any kind of mage.. just my thoughts.. > >Vishran > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 12:45:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA08603 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08599 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f219.hotmail.com [207.82.251.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA25211 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 10073 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1998 17:44:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980923174432.10072.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.201.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:44:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.201.67] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:44:30 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I would have to say I agree. I think the warrior class is a bit lacking. I am currently playing one, and even though I get my self decked out pretty easily I still get rocked by mages cause they are sanced. I like the idea of cleave. In some sense, but then on the other hand I don't care all that much for hte instant death spells. I know that I disint'd a number of people with Throm and there was not really much skill involved in that. figure out where they are walk in and hit my alias. And that was that. Now in the way of thieves. Well I wouldn't say they are weak. Heck I wouldn't say Loric is weak, at one time he was, but a lot of that comes from learning how to play the character. Granted I have an attack spell that I can use in battle, that on occasion blinds. That is a nice addition for any thief. But then you have to be Life to have that spell. I also know from experience that to some extent a thief has an instant death attack. For on more then one occasion now, I have sent someone to their death with my backstab and dual backstabs alone. When you backstab an unhoused person and unspear eradicate them, well that is about that. Xeo I agree most people don't fear standing in the same room with a warrior. As they do with a thief when they know they are there. Or any number of the other classed with instant kill abilities. I know I don't stand around channelers that I don't know much at all. Or I hide and hope they aren't able to faerie fog me. I like the Recovery addition, but that only does you good if you get away somewhere to heal. I don't know about cleave, but maybe something to keep you in battle that lasts for a few rounds. Maybe something like a side kick that hits you in the knee. Kind of hard to move if your knee is buckled. Well I do like this topic of discussion so let's see what ideas we can generate. Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 13:05:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08890 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:05:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08886 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com (mta@ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.2.50]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25865 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from home.com ([24.64.68.63]) by ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-53853L0S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <360938F6.62EE0573@home.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:07:50 -0600 From: Robert Whitney Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Mailing List Subject: [DARKMISTS] re:Warriors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu OK. Currently my major character is a nightwalker, but I gotta side with Loric on this. Maybe warriors dont need cleave, but they are weak. They definately need something. A crippling side kick might not be at is needed though. Xeo perhaps a skill that stuns the opponent, through a kide kind of <> as an opening attack can be considered. I mean really, when compared to cleave, disint, pwk, pwf, and even holy wrath for paladins, lunge is not that damaging of an opening attack. You can't cleave during combat, so whatever skill is considered, if any, I think should work the same way..pure opening attack. Just my two bits, but it is a good topic and really needs to be tossed around until something falls out. Xixaean From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 13:16:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09389 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09385 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26156 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:15:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29919 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde71e$152dcc40$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] re:Warriors Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:15:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just some basic info on warriors for those unfamiliar. Here are the skills and spells, and there is no xp lag for ranking. SKILLS: Level 1: axe 100% dagger 100% flail 100% mace 100% polearm 100% spear 100% sword 100% whip 100% evaluation 100% enhanced damage 100% staff 100% parry 100% rescue 100% recall 100% Level 4: dirt kicking 100% Level 5: hand to hand 100% second attack 100% Level 7: fast healing 100% Level 8: kick 100% Level 9: trip 100% Level 10: shield block 100% Level 12: dual wield 100% bash 100% Level 13: dodge 100% Level 14: haggle 100% lunge 100% Level 15: lash 100% disarm 100% Level 16: crush 100% warcry 100% meditation 100% Level 18: shield cleave 100% berserk 100% Level 19: third attack 100% Level 22: pugil 100% Level 25: counter 100% Level 29: ground control 100% defend 100% Level 30: fourth attack 100% Level 34: enhanced damage II 100% Level 35: enlist 100% SPELLS: No spells found. Sorry they aren't lined up all pretty, but the font used for e-mail, well, you know. Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 13:16:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09453 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09437 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26164 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from naI.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id OAA02083 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809231816.OAA02083@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] re:Warriors Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:20:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay, I few things to say. First of all Lunge doesn't work very much against players in the game, even after it is mastered, and that is getting annoying. Also, about the being weak to magic thing, I don't think he meant they were actually "weak" to it, just that there isn't much of a way for a Warrior to combat against it, unless he is a Crusader. But shoot, even with a Crusader with saves of -71 and Spellbane up I have been hit with a decint amount of Spells. How exactly do the saves work btw if you can say. Anyway, back to the topic, bash won't keep anyone around, lash is alright for that, but most of the whips are weak. I like the idea of some type of Crippling blow, even if it can only be used to start the fight.....kinda like a stun type of thing. Anyway, I think I will hush now. Ian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 14:07:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12182 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:07:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12174 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f264.hotmail.com [207.82.251.155]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA27611 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:07:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17988 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1998 19:06:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19980923190654.17987.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.231.23.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:06:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.231.23.150] From: "Tom Forester" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] warriors Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:06:54 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu They need to make warriors closer to the CF version.. with cool nasty shit like weapon specialization (there is a great damage bonus if you wield your specialized weapon) dash (valor charge without a stupid horse) offhand disarm (disarms shields, lights, held items, and weapons in the dual slot) cross, charge (opening big damage attack used w/ polearm) and other things like that. Right now the only good warrior is a low level warrior.. you can always outpower anyone on level 25 and lower, except another warrior, but if you try and hero you may as well just drop your shorts and bend over while everyone takes a turn raping you. Seriously, high level warriors are something to laugh at because they tend to suck real bad (unhoused) but do fairly well in enforcer/life/outlaw and kick ASS in crusader (provided the person knows how to play one) I'm sure someone is going to whine about how I should go back to CF well guess what, I already did, because darkmists is eventually going to be another turning point (tp.org 9999, biggest abuse of disk space I've ever seen) and that mud is the epitome of all that sucks in mudland. My $0.02 tom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 14:31:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14829 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:31:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14825 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:31:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28456 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:30:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03989 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:30:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003301bde728$86695500$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] warriors Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:29:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Those were good ideas. I don't know why you thought someone was going to whine and tell you to go to CF. If you don't play on DM anymore, why stay on the list? Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Tom Forester To: Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 3:08 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] warriors >They need to make warriors closer to the CF version.. with cool nasty >shit like weapon specialization (there is a great damage bonus if you >wield your specialized weapon) dash (valor charge without a stupid >horse) offhand disarm (disarms shields, lights, held items, and weapons >in the dual slot) cross, charge (opening big damage attack used w/ >polearm) and other things like that. Right now the only good warrior is >a low level warrior.. you can always outpower anyone on level 25 and >lower, except another warrior, but if you try and hero you may as well >just drop your shorts and bend over while everyone takes a turn raping >you. Seriously, high level warriors are something to laugh at because >they tend to suck real bad (unhoused) but do fairly well in >enforcer/life/outlaw and kick ASS in crusader (provided the person knows >how to play one) I'm sure someone is going to whine about how I should >go back to CF well guess what, I already did, because darkmists is >eventually going to be another turning point (tp.org 9999, biggest abuse >of disk space I've ever seen) and that mud is the epitome of all that >sucks in mudland. My $0.02 > >tom > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 14:47:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA16550 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16546 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29029 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:48:29 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01bde714$5bffe0e0$060110ac@shelby.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:50:44 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Oh yeah, I'm not sure where you got the "warriors are weak against magic" >thing because they aren't, that's racial. Oh, i didn't know that.. i'm a giant, if that matters *shrug* Vishran From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 14:55:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA17613 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17609 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29332 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:56:50 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980923190654.17987.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:59:04 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] warriors Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >They need to make warriors closer to the CF version.. with cool nasty >shit like weapon specialization (there is a great damage bonus if you >wield your specialized weapon) dash (valor charge without a stupid >horse) offhand disarm (disarms shields, lights, held items, and weapons >in the dual slot) cross, charge (opening big damage attack used w/ >polearm) and other things like that. I've played on another mud, Greater Realms, but only briefly, and saw the skill lists for warrior's.. they get grip, a skill which makes it harder for you to be disarmed, area attack, which will let you attack all the people in the area that are attackin you, umm, that charge thing with polearm, offhand disarm, all kinds of cool stuff.. it would be kick ass if some of these things were implemented for the warrior's on DM Vishran From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 15:00:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18096 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18092 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29510 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06427 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:00:21 -0400 Message-ID: <010d01bde72c$a34dbcc0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Little facts about warriors Immune to : none Resistant to : weapon blunt Vulnerable to : mental If you are being hit with a "mental" magical attack, then you are more vulnerable to it. I'm not sure if concatenate is a mental attack or not. Oh yeah, any weapon that is a "blast" attack is mental, I THINK, I'm not 100% sure on that one. --tim -----Original Message----- From: Chris Melski To: Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's > >>Oh yeah, I'm not sure where you got the "warriors are weak against magic" >>thing because they aren't, that's racial. > >Oh, i didn't know that.. i'm a giant, if that matters *shrug* > >Vishran > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 15:36:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20415 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:36:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20411 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00799 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:36:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26077; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:30:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003a01bde731$9e3c2f00$4d2102d0@default> From: "kye" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:34:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Little facts about warriors >Immune to : none >Resistant to : weapon blunt >Vulnerable to : mental No. Race determines immunities, resistances, vulnerabilities. Class has nothing to do with it. >If you are being hit with a "mental" magical attack, then you are more >vulnerable to it. I'm not sure if concatenate is a mental attack or not. >Oh yeah, any weapon that is a "blast" attack is mental, I THINK, I'm not >100% sure on that one. Blast is a blunt attack (bash), not a mental attack. Psionic blast is a mental attack. Warriors do not have to worry about mental attacks, as a class. Giants are vulnerable to mental attacks, and no matter what class they are, they are vulnerable to mental attacks. Centaurs (of any class) are also vulnerable to mental attacks. Hence, a giant cleric is vuln to mental attacks. A giant cleric is vuln to mental attacks. A centaur warrior is vuln to mental attacks. A centaur paladin is vuln to mental attacks. A troll warrior is not vuln to mental attacks. A human warrior is not vuln to mental attacks. A dark-elf warrior is not vuln to mental attacks. Etc. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 01:37:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA10137 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10133 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12956 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:37:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust119.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.119]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA28265 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bde785$dde23ce0$779e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] channelers tea Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:12:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Is it just me, or does the channelers unlimited mana because of tea throw off the balance a bit? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 08:43:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19027 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:43:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19023 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:43:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12624 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:42:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA195956; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:33:07 +0300 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:33:07 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's In-Reply-To: <000b01bde714$5bffe0e0$060110ac@shelby.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Tim Whitaker wrote: > I'll have to agree that the warrior class is rather lacking. I swore I > would > never play a warrior, but with they big hype about changeling warriors, > I tried one out. I've presented the argument about having cleave added > to warriors, but was turned down for some good reason, I forget what > it was now. > Personally, I think the warrior class and the thief class sucks. People > who play thieves live just to be pissy, they aren't well rounded, after a > bj and a bs, what else do you have? Well, thieves arent meant to be the greatest pkers, they're thieves man, they're expected to steal! :).. (and believe me, steal is far more annoying than killing) Warriors have more abilities, more weapons, pugil, lash, crush (which hardly works), and bash (which > doesn't do anywhere near as good as lash) wops here, bash is always superior then lash.. you can easily escape from 1 lashing person, but it's not as easy as escaping from 1 bashing person. , disarm, dirt kick, and > shield cleave. I have spent a lot of time mastering abilities, like crush > ground control and all 4 attacks, but even hasted, I don't get that many > attacks, and the rare times I do get a crush through, ground control is > rare (though mastered as well). Warriors lack the ability to really screw against clerics, dirt kick, disarm, shield cleave, and watch them run :) > people over, with things like blind and curse. I find I keep comparing > warriors with night walkers and a-p's, and warriors are inferior a-p's > get cleave, and some nasty spells like summon and blind. nightwalkers > get 3 attacks, hide, sneak, dirt, shield cleave, most weapons, and some > nasty spells to blind, curse, and instant kill. I'd say the only advantage > warriors have over those 2 classes in the HP and the experience needed > to rank. Well, I have a kick ass nightwalker, but I think twice when attacking a warrior, coz I know I'll be bashed, and our thaco's are different. if you're getting bashed, you cannot blind, curse, demonfire etc. etc., got my point?? > I'd like to see warriors gain some type of crippling move, to help keep > opponents still (but not like lash). Warriors have no way of keeping people > from wording or teleporting, they rely on potions to see invis, can't use > staves or wands (unless your a gnome). > Oh yeah, I'm not sure where you got the "warriors are weak against magic" > thing because they aren't, that's racial. > One more thing, when your just standing around, and a thief or a channeler > is in the room with you, you think twice about standing around, cuz you'll > be blackjacked or disintegrated. Same goes for ap, nw, necro. Does > anyone fear warriors? Not really. > > --tim > Xeonauz > Well, I admit warriors are not the best class out there, but they're decent when played properly. I've heard some guy talking about the warriors in Carrionfields, man, that is carrionfields, where only a few of the classes can get sanctuary spell. But in darkmists, number of the classes which can cast sanctuary is more. Every mud has its own balance, and if you add the carrionfields warrior to darkmists, er well, then they'd give hell (quaff purple, do your weapon specialization skills and keel easily), I say nono:).. But warriors may be slightly improved, but I got no idea how.. Just my 0.02, have a nice day From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 09:04:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20201 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:04:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20197 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:04:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21677 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:04:02 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8DHEa02341 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:02:12 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Warriors should be slightly improved so that they are about equal to thieves and clerics, who also have a 0 exp cost, but if the other classes are better, its because they have to pay for it. A changeling paladin has almost twice as much experiance at hero as a human warrior, so it makes sense that if you pay more, you should get more. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 09:29:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA21729 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:29:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21725 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:29:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA22304 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CETYLE.RES.CMU.EDU by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20178; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:27:58 -0400 Message-Id: <360A5692.98D7D27E@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:26:26 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Everyone knows that a warrior past about rank 40 that isn't in a house or doesn't know many magic wielding friends will have a difficult time. It's not impossible because there are many things out there that can do what spells can, it's just a little more difficult. Warriors can heal if they are willing to trek to find those healing potions, cure criticals are actually quite abudant, or sanc (purple potions the easiest). But one thing that annoyed me when I was a warrior (the psychotic Jyhad) was that hide always got me. Invisible was solved by a yellow potion or (more recently) clear potions in NY, hide I could never deal with. Warriors have no cheesy area attack to flush out thieves or nightwalkers. I liked bash a lot. Bash's usefulness was derived from Jyhad's overall power, hit and dam, so that I would keep the person I was attacking around for one or two more turns (more if they were trying to cast spells) which was long enough to kill them. Warrior's one thing going for them is raw strength. But run away a few times with a mage after casting one spell (probably blind) and the warrior's going down the tubes. If you manage to blind a warrior (considering an experienced player who will then begin to shift around and try to find his way out of where he is and walk to a healer, w/o return potions of course) you will have the advantage... cast curse... flee. Watch him squirm. Cast spells and eventually he will die. Unless he's with a cleric, which is dangerous if a cross bash-lash occurs. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 09:56:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23954 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:56:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23950 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:56:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23231 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:57:27 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bde714$5bffe0e0$060110ac@shelby.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:59:44 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >wops here, bash is always superior then lash.. you can easily escape from >1 lashing person, but it's not as easy as escaping from 1 bashing person. bash don't always work against mages.. protective shield takes care of that, hence the lash skill.. but bash isn't as good as lash, trust me, i know :) >against clerics, dirt kick, disarm, shield cleave, and watch them run :) hmm.. i've fought clerics.. i get blinded, cursed, atrophy'd (which sucks if you actually get away from them) then when i run, i'm blind, so i'm basically dead.. >Well, I have a kick ass nightwalker, but I think twice when attacking a >warrior, coz I know I'll be bashed, and our thaco's are different. if >you're getting bashed, you cannot blind, curse, demonfire etc. etc., got >my point?? as far as i know, you can still blind and demonfire if you get bashed, i'm not sure, i think there might be a lag after you get bashed, not sure, as i don't get bashed much.. *shrug* >But in darkmists, number of the classes which can cast sanctuary is more. Let's see.. cleric's, channeler's, paladin's get sanc.. the other classes get wands or staves to compinsate for the lack of the spell, but warrior's don't get those skills :) Vishran From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Sep 24 11:19:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA25524 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:19:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25520 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26423 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (87.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.117]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05392 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809241622.LAA05392@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:19:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just to correct Vishran a bit, bash *is* better than lash. No one denies that. The problem is that bash has a common counter spell, protective shield, and lash has nothing to counter it. If you don't have protective shield and are being bashed by a warrior, then you'd understand. It takes two people successfully lashing to keep you put. I've seen warriors do it alone. As someone else said, "bash is always superior [to] lash.. you can easily escape from 1 lashing person, but it's not as easy escaping from 1 bashing person." Also, you cannot still blind and demonfire while being bashed. Nothing is given special consideration. Skills such as bash and lash produce a lag on your opponent. Bash gives a longer lag than lash. Once that lag is gone, you're free to issue your next command, regardless of what it is. The problem with "being stuck" occurs when you're bashed/lashed while still in the waiting period, continually keeping you lagged. While you are "stuck," no command can be entered successfully. You'll just have to wait. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Sep 25 05:34:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA27837 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA27833 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA20317 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:34:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA149950; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:30:53 +0300 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:30:53 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > > bash don't always work against mages.. protective shield takes care of > that, hence the lash skill.. but bash isn't as good as lash, trust me, i > know :) > > if you actually get away from them) then when i run, i'm blind, so i'm > basically dead.. > Well, everyone who gets blinded and cursed is basically dead:) not just warriors (except clerics and paladins of course, they have remove curse and cure blind as everybody knows) > as far as i know, you can still blind and demonfire if you get bashed, i'm > not sure, i think there might be a lag after you get bashed, not sure, as i > don't get bashed much.. *shrug* > nope, warriors generally hit better than other classes, so if you bash a nightwalker, s/he wouldnt think to blind you. If I were the nw I'd run and wait for a better chance. I also played a giant warrior, and killed a few nw's with it. But also they killed me with power word fear, and evil eye. But the thing here is, warrior is 0 exp, so your level is generally higher than other classes which have exp penalties. Here lies the advantage, since your level is higher, you hit better, dodge and parry better (of course this does not count at hero level). Also, working on your skills and mastering them in early levels helps a lot (perhaps this is one of the reasons why the Crusaders fight a lot better, since they're required to master most of their skills before recruiting) > >But in darkmists, number of the classes which can cast sanctuary is more. > > Let's see.. cleric's, channeler's, paladin's get sanc.. the other classes > get wands or staves to compinsate for the lack of the spell, but warrior's > don't get those skills :) > > Vishran > Heh, so a warrior should store a lot of potions in his inventory, right? Just what I think -Have a nice day From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 27 20:14:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA05768 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:14:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05764 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:14:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07819 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:14:44 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8WYNa18750 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:14:11 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:14:11 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Channelers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hi guys, I would like to ask something about the unicorn teas first a cup of tea doesn't weigh 5 lb.. Rather then trying to make a class weaker how about enhancing the other classes. You know there are so few anti-paladin heroes for a reason. A warrior with fireball really just isn't worth 400 extra to rank. A lot of the classes are like this the warrior I don't really see needing a lot more cause if your gonna beef it up you need to make it cost more. After the whole magic save change there have been more checks placed on spells timers spells being totally rewritten, spells being pulled, doesn't this seem to be causing more trouble then its worth. Lastly it seems skills and abilities are lending more and more to pking. Charm person was totally destroyed. For some reason now mobs can't flee from combat. FYI mobs use to be able to flee from combat not out of the room but out of combat. Now a mob won't flee even if the player flees from the room. You know this may not seem like a big deal but to a necro or elementalist or even a ranger there mobs are very important for player killing or other things. The last time I played my necro I fled and I waited for my mobs to flee and I waited and waited, get the idea. The skills and spells are getting checked so much, people are having to be less original and having to lean toward pking more. BTW a channeler having to drain after a pk is not necessary cause if a pk lasted that long something is wrong anyway. Why are the skills and spells all leaning toward pking now? Brian Hodge From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Sep 27 21:58:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA08087 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:58:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08083 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f293.hotmail.com [207.82.251.184]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09062 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:58:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5451 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 1998 02:58:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980928025811.5450.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:58:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:58:10 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A quick comment: "blast" is a crushing attack there are no "mental" attacks in the BASIC ROM, and the only mental attacks I know of are spiritblade and psionic blast. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 23 13:01:26 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18142; > Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:22 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:17 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18096 > for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:16 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18092 > for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:14 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29510 > for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:00:13 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) > by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP > id QAA06427 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:00:21 -0400 >Message-ID: <010d01bde72c$a34dbcc0$060110ac@shelby.net> >From: "Tim Whitaker" >To: >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:59:13 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Little facts about warriors > >Immune to : none >Resistant to : weapon blunt >Vulnerable to : mental > >If you are being hit with a "mental" magical attack, then you are more >vulnerable to it. I'm not sure if concatenate is a mental attack or not. >Oh yeah, any weapon that is a "blast" attack is mental, I THINK, I'm not >100% sure on that one. > >--tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Melski >To: >Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 3:47 PM >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Warrior's > > >> >>>Oh yeah, I'm not sure where you got the "warriors are weak against magic" >>>thing because they aren't, that's racial. >> >>Oh, i didn't know that.. i'm a giant, if that matters *shrug* >> >>Vishran >> >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 28 21:56:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27969 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:56:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27965 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:56:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f109.hotmail.com [207.82.250.228]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA07998 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:56:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5348 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1998 02:56:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980929025612.5347.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:56:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Weapons Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:56:11 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu weapons often have flags such as flaming, freezing, shocking, drowning..etc.. most are pretty obvious what they do, but what exactly does the drowning flag do? I've seen the occational 'So and so is deluged by water spouting from a water whip' does that do anything? I heard a rumor that its double damage to anyone vuln to drowning, but I haven't seen it.. is it akin to shocking ie, your muscles stop responding, a bit of lag or something? and just a question.. on extra flags on top of identify, does anyone know what 'lock' means? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Sep 28 22:00:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA28518 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28514 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:00:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08083 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:00:22 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8PMFa10158 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:43 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:43 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Eowyn's web page chat room Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I was on Eowyns web page taking a look about, and I found the chat room, got a few friends together and had a nice OOC chat, and we were thinking how nice it would be if immortals would go in there. Maybe the imms could chose a time thats convieniant for them and come in there so players could talk to them live. Just an idea, what do you think? btw I think the main pages adress is: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6747 but I am not sure, if its not go to xyza's page and take the link From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 29 03:04:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA04719 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:04:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04715 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from templar.fgi.net (root@templar.fgi.net [206.101.112.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12958 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from home.wincoinet.com (wc185.wincoinet.com [208.130.69.185]) by templar.fgi.net (8.9.0/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA12688 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <36109522.653@wincoinet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:06:58 -0500 From: ygregory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Lash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Now who else on here thinks lash has just been screwed royally? I thought lash was a little too powerful but what's been done to it now is just wrong. I have mastered lash and the weapon I lash with but still have missed 7-8 in a row and this isnt uncommon. On top of it all, there is a chance you get disarmed. This is just ridiculous....I'm hoping that this isnt the way it's going to stay because lash is pretty much worthless right now as it stands. I can see lowering it's effectiveness a bit but this is just waaaay too much. Well, just what I think. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 29 08:37:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA14312 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:37:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14308 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:37:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17397 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:37:52 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8AQCa02302 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <449004d9.3610e272@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:36:50 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Lash Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree fully, it would have been alot better to lower lash's affectiveness by 50% then to give you a chance of being disarmed. now the only time people will lash is in big groups using a shock whip or something they don't care about. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 29 10:00:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17256 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17252 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:00:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19627 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:00:04 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8HPPa07925 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8513c115.3610f5c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:59:18 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS]- Ancient Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu So we have the new Ancient finally, and it turns out they don't raid and arn't required to defend raids. Does anyone else see the problems involved with that? Life looses the major way houses compete because ancients don't have to come defend and die, and its not to hard to escape a lifer when it doesn't involve the house, all they need to do is shadow gate away. In addition all the cloaks look the same, so Lifers have to pause before attacking to make sure its not an Outlaw. Why not make the Ancients cloaks slightly different, such as " A figure buried in a dark cloak stands her" and keep outlaw " A cloaked figure stands here" that would eliminate the confusion. What do you think? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Sep 29 18:26:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05269 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05265 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03798 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:25:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8LPUa08736 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:25:15 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]- Ancient Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 9/29/98 11:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ManPrsnGuy@aol.com writes: << Why not make the Ancients cloaks slightly different, such as " A figure buried in a dark cloak stands her" and keep outlaw " A cloaked figure stands here" that would eliminate the confusion. What do you think? >> I agree totally, for those of you who dont play lifers, its really confusing. When you see a cloaked figure its kinda hard to destinguish the difference. I have Outlaw friends, and it wouldnt be too nice to attack them, thinking i'm after an Ancient.