From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 00:44:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA16308 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:44:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16304 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25595 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:44:02 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8GNKa17154 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:42:05 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Why is AOL banned from darkmist??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok, I understand that somehow people with AOL were cheating, but ban everyone? what about the people who play well and don't cheat, we just can't play at all now? I have 3 housed charectors, two of them Hero's, and I have never cheated with any of them,and now I can't play anymore, I think the honest players on AOL deserve and explanation for this. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 07:00:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA18355 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:00:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18351 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:00:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29109 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:00:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8MSDa07259 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f9d2a44.35c302db@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:58:17 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Why is AOL banned from darkmist??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu For one, I dont have any housed characters, yet. But two of them are very close. I sent a note to immortal about this, but I think everyone, including my pissed off friend ManPrsnGuy need an answer. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 08:46:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19100 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:46:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19096 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:46:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29777 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:46:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ASJa20769 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:44:16 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Why is AOL banned from darkmist??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I am having the sam problem, at least on this screenname. My other screennames, though, have no such problems. On another level, ManPrsnGuy, to your comment "I have 3 housed charectors, two of them Hero's" I am under the impression that it is not such a good idea to have more than 1 housed character, for that creates some odd decision's to be made and some house secrets to possibly be revealed to other houses (Unless your housed characters are in the same house). Anyway, not all of AOL was banned, just certain screennames. Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 08:55:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19306 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:55:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19302 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:55:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29849 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:55:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8JQNa02269 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b9bcec4.35c31ded@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:53:48 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Why is AOL banned from darkmist??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-01 09:46:16 EDT, you write: << I am having the same problem, at least on this screenname. My other screennames, though, have no such problems. >> Anyway, this statement I have made, I have just found, is wrong. I played one of my chars last night on a different Screenname when this one was banned, and it worked just fine. Now, my other screenname is banned as well. I am guessing that an AOL screenname can log on once before it is banned. Anyway, why them whole ban on AOL? I know for a fact that there is at least one IMM on AOL, and many others who have decent characters and role-playing skills. Why not the new character ban on AOL instead of a whole system ban? That was working well, I thought. I hope an IMM or Imp will field this question, because this boy is nervous for his characters futures... Waiting (Im)Patiently, Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 09:32:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19582 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19578 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:32:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00108 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:32:37 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XRWa11435 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:30:39 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Multiple houses.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In answer to the question, the 3 houses are completely non conflicting, and when they let me in they found no problems with it. One of them I don't play any more anyways, and all three are good too, I am not sure what the IMM's think about that, and if they don't like it I will delete one, but I know many other people who have active charectors in the same two houses as I do. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 16:53:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA24475 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24471 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:53:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05660 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:53:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kye by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22994; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001bdbd96$857abf00$146a01c7@kye> From: "kye" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] AOL's ban and a general message on punishments Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >I hope an IMM or Imp will field this question, because this boy is nervous for >his characters futures... Hrm. I did a little research, short of asking the immortal responsible for the banning of aol.com since that immortal has not been present while I've been around... and I discovered a number of things which lead me to believe, possibly wrongly since this is pure deductive reasoning and I might be missing some important clue, that the immortal who banned aol.com meant to newban it, not permanently ban all players coming from there. The act of permanently banning it took place around 2 a.m., and the immortal who did this might not have been entirely awake at that hour. Some of the guys from a certain site I sometimes lift the newban on know I occasionally slip up and completely ban them when in fact I mean to reinstate the newban. (Then my e-mailbag is filled with cute little notes about how I slipped up again and would I please fix it...) This is a source of frustration for them and I get annoyed at myself for forgetting that important newbie switch on the siteban. Anyways, I have taken the initiative to lift the permanent ban on aol.com, but I reinstated the newban on aol.com. If I did something wrong, I'll hear about it. I have noticed that at least one player from aol.com is being a problem. Some of us have found through experience that denying a character for certain infractions does not get through to some people, and we either wind up newlocking the game or having to ban a site. I personally don't recall aol.com being a site with such a problem. If it ever does become such a problem, it's going to be bad for you AOL users because it's not as though you're all local to one another and can solve the problem. We do seem to have a problem with some people, though. Bad language, including obscenity, profanity, slander in some cases, sexual harrassment. I have no tolerance for sexual harrassment. I catch it personally, instant denial. Keep coming back with new characters to continue, newban. Come back with established chars to continue, more instant denials and possibly a permanent siteban, depending on the site. If there are good players from the same site around at the time of the problem, and it's one of those sites where everyone knows one another, I'll usually give a warning that someone is begging for a permanent siteban, so that the problem can be solved locally. In the very rare cases where the local players don't wish to support us by helping keep certain troublemakers from ruining things for everyone, a permanent siteban is usually set. We don't ban sites on whims or for no good reason, there's a good reason for it. (Except in the cases where we accidently permanently ban the site instead of newbanning it.) I've babbled enough. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 1 21:27:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26532 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:27:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26528 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:27:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07828 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:27:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8DIFa04160 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:26:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <7afc20b0.35c3ce4b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:26:18 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] AOL's ban and a general message on punishments Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thanks, Kye. I believe that the newban should stay up on AOL, for the idiots that I've seen make a character and just be stupid usually are newer players, or old players playing new characters. And those of us that are avid players should be injinuitive enough to find another site that is not newbanned. Anyway, thanks again. Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 11:19:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12563 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12559 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25858 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust161.tnt2.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.160.161]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06786 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01bdbfc3$d15553c0$a1a02299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] An equipment database Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:20:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'm in the midst of writing a Java program that will batch convert all these equipment lists into a Access database. It's will be some practice in writing a Java COM applet for me. When I'm done, it will make it much easier to do searches like ... 'find all equipmet +save' for example. I'll post it here when its complete. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 14:52:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21452 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21412 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01240 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust222.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.222]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27935 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000601bdbfe1$6e712ea0$dea22299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First of all, I want to give a lot a credit to Xeonauz and the Legion leaders for putting together a god House. From what I've seen, they have some excellent players and roleplayers there. Kudos. But is the balance off a little bit with Valor? It looks like they are completely outnumbered and seem to be having some trouble. Is Cedric still around? I never see him, and from the Knights I've chatted with, his prolonged abscence is causing the House to lose enthusiasm, and potential members. I'm not trying to be insulting here, its just my observation. Does anyone else agree? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:19:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA02826 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02818 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f242.hotmail.com [207.82.251.133]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA03533 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:18:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 16947 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1998 20:18:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980804201816.16946.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.8.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:18:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.8.16] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:18:16 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu As to valor I played Axander, the first thief in valor and the attendance for the most part sucked all around. that is not any one persons fault but maybe it is the season. cedric has a lot going on in his life right now with a new baby boy and all, so his playing time has been decreased immensely. I would cut him a little slack at least until the starting of a new school year. And i would guess that Cirdan is still running it quite a bit. I like chris a lot but he has/had a tight control on valor, not much any leader could to.... just some insight on valor hope it helps all of you and take not any thing i said as personal. thank you Mark >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 12:53:44 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22041; > Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:53:26 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:15 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21452 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:07 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21412 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:52 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01240 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:47 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from hillpc (1Cust222.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.222]) > by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27935 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) >Message-ID: <000601bdbfe1$6e712ea0$dea22299@hillpc> >From: "Scott C. Hill" >To: >Subject: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:35 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > > >First of all, I want to give a lot a credit to Xeonauz and the Legion >leaders for putting together a god House. From what I've seen, they have >some excellent players and roleplayers there. Kudos. But is the balance off >a little bit with Valor? It looks like they are completely outnumbered and >seem to be having some trouble. Is Cedric still around? I never see him, and >from the Knights I've chatted with, his prolonged abscence is causing the >House to lose enthusiasm, and potential members. I'm not trying to be >insulting here, its just my observation. Does anyone else agree? > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:25:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05180 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05168 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04155 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:25:19 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FVMa19317 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88400d93.35c76dff@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:24:30 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 08/04/1998 3:54:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, I would like to disagree with the remark on the excellent role players in legion. I doubt many people know this but the other day Tarsheva and Cedez raided life house, with Oksana who is branded a rebel. To me that doesn't seem like very good roleplaying if you fight with your enemies, but mayeb thats just me. scott_hill@geocities.com writes: << First of all, I want to give a lot a credit to Xeonauz and the Legion leaders for putting together a god House. From what I've seen, they have some excellent players and roleplayers there. Kudos. But is the balance off a little bit with Valor? It looks like they are completely outnumbered and seem to be having some trouble. Is Cedric still around? I never see him, and from the Knights I've chatted with, his prolonged abscence is causing the House to lose enthusiasm, and potential members. I'm not trying to be insulting here, its just my observation. Does anyone else agree? >> From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:32:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07163 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:32:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07111 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04467 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust222.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.222]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA17393 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000b01bdbfe7$0061c540$dea22299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:32:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Of coourse..no insult intended to Cedric. And conratz to him, I got a kid myself. .....maybe they need a Lieutenant with inducting privleges, though. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Greer To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >As to valor I played Axander, the first thief in valor and the >attendance for the most part sucked all around. that is not any one >persons fault but maybe it is the season. > >cedric has a lot going on in his life right now with a new baby boy and >all, so his playing time has been decreased immensely. I would cut him >a little slack at least until the starting of a new school year. > >And i would guess that Cirdan is still running it quite a bit. I like >chris a lot but he has/had a tight control on valor, not much any leader >could to.... > >just some insight on valor hope it helps all of you and take not any >thing i said as personal. > >thank you >Mark > >>From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 12:53:44 1998 >>Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22041; >> Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:53:26 -0500 (CDT) >>Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 >14:52:15 -0500 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21452 >> for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:07 -0500 (CDT) >>Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21412 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:52 -0500 >(CDT) >>Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) >> by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01240 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:47 -0500 (CDT) >>Received: from hillpc (1Cust222.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.222]) >> by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27935 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) >>Message-ID: <000601bdbfe1$6e712ea0$dea22299@hillpc> >>From: "Scott C. Hill" >>To: >>Subject: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:35 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 >>Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>Precedence: bulk >> >> >>First of all, I want to give a lot a credit to Xeonauz and the Legion >>leaders for putting together a god House. From what I've seen, they >have >>some excellent players and roleplayers there. Kudos. But is the balance >off >>a little bit with Valor? It looks like they are completely outnumbered >and >>seem to be having some trouble. Is Cedric still around? I never see >him, and >>from the Knights I've chatted with, his prolonged abscence is causing >the >>House to lose enthusiasm, and potential members. I'm not trying to be >>insulting here, its just my observation. Does anyone else agree? >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 17:56:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18150 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18146 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09254 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8QRMa04160 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4e48fe02.35c79140@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree with ManPrsnGuy on the lack of role-playing of the Knights of Legion. I was asking Lisboarn about his sudden lack of [LEGION] by his name and he was saying stuff like "Legion can suck my dick" and stuff life that. Is that really good role-playing? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 11:08:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA05733 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:08:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05729 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:08:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f17.hotmail.com [207.82.250.28]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24762 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1134 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1998 16:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980805160745.1133.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.81.0.30 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:07:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.81.0.30] From: "Horath forgardy" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:07:45 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hi, The way i look at it is, I had a legion "squire" And i thought it stunk, Xeonauz Is the worst leader i have ever seen. And Etrigan stands around and watches us go raid life, Unless no lifer's are on and he will come. Tarsheva is kinda cool. But Legion still is the worst house i have ever seen. My $0.02 Nathan >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:56:36 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA18214; > Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:23 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18150 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:22 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18146 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:21 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09254 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:20 -0500 (CDT) >From: Bond0078@aol.com >Received: from Bond0078@aol.com > by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8QRMa04160 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <4e48fe02.35c79140@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I agree with ManPrsnGuy on the lack of role-playing of the Knights of Legion. >I was asking Lisboarn about his sudden lack of [LEGION] by his name and he was >saying stuff like "Legion can suck my dick" and stuff life that. >Is that really good role-playing? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 11:33:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA06125 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:33:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06117 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:33:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25569 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P8DF2SDD; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:29:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35C88AB3.886209C1@logex.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:39:15 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX, a Division of AppNet Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? References: <19980805160745.1133.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Not only that: Gaira is the only person in that house that should be allowed to even wear their [LEGION] mark-- save maybe Hashkar. He (Gaira) is the only one I have yet to see come for their sword. At that time I saw another (no names of Evil Dwarf clerics being mentioned) and Gaira in the realms. Gaira attempted 5 times against five or more Lifers - while being summoned, attempted disintigrates, etc. This unnamed person, didn't even show for the raid nor did he attempt to come for his item...he sat and hid in some little cave while his housemate took charge. As far as valor is concenred. There have only been a handful that I've even seen around. Legion definately has more presence in DM's realms. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 12:01:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07962 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07956 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:01:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f213.hotmail.com [207.82.251.104]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26346 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:01:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7227 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1998 17:00:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19980805170059.7226.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:00:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:00:58 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have to agree Valor could use some more presence in the realms.... It sure would take the pressure off of life dealing with Legion....I know there are a few that are around a bunch, but not enough...We have a few lifers that are around a lot, and a lot that are around very little...It is my feeling that if you are in a house, you should make your presence known a bit more...Granted Cedric you just had a kid....takes a lot of time....I understand that....but as was said before maybe another needs to have induction priveledges as well.....I don't know what do you think? Cirdan I beleive you are on the list serve, what is your feeling on this? As for Legion....Well I have talked with Xeonauz a bit....I agree that Hashkar and Gaira are about the only ones that will put their neck on the line for the house....They come to try to regain their item, but others do not....As for Tarsheva and cedez raiding with Oksana aiding them while she is a rebel, I think that shows the lack of good rp's in the house...Yes Xeonauz has given them a stern warning.....I thank him for that.....but the lack of rp'ing is getting out of hand in a number of places....well that is all I have to say for now..until another time. Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life.....rebel no more. p.s. And I am glad to see some constructive things being dealt with over the list again....*smile* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 14:24:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14671 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:24:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14667 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:24:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00272 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:24:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-052.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.52]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20073 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C8B1E6.DDE8D177@telenet.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:26:30 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980805170059.7226.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Lets not talk about presences right now... Especially after I got ganged by 9 count them 9 people of Valor, Life and just some unhoused who logged on cause I was the only Legion on.... Damn messy...still managed two drop two of them though :) AC From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 14:47:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA16001 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15997 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:47:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00839 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:47:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-045.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J09073DHCGFI585I@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:47:27 EDT Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:46:23 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35C8B68F.D25436AB@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19980805170059.7226.qmail@hotmail.com> <35C8B1E6.DDE8D177@telenet.net> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Paul E. Christman wrote: > > Lets not talk about presences right now... > Especially after I got ganged by 9 count them 9 people of Valor, Life > and just some unhoused who logged on cause I was the only Legion on.... > > Damn messy...still managed two drop two of them though :) > > AC One thing that I see happening, and I'm partially responsible because I have a character in Valor, is that when people die it's usually to unsurmountable odds. I was in the group against Hashkar, and I only went coz I knew Gwydion was dropped in a gang of 7 on 1, Hashkar being the one. I think we've never had a really good fair fight between Legion and Valor, except at the very beginning when lots of people were on coz they were new and people wanted to see how they would do with these powers. Now you don't see many people. AC, sorry about the ganging, but you did get Gwydion. Too bad Corellus looted huh? =( jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:07:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA16255 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16251 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:07:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01355 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett ([12.13.135.117]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09356 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808050355.WAA09356@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:59:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Valor does not have many members as compared to other houses perhaps, but it is intended that way. I keep a list of every applicant, and pay special attention to those who put some effort into their application. Cedric has done plenty of interviewing, and I spend almost every night watching from above anyone who is on my list. If you truly want to join, you're going to have to role-play and be patient. I *do* take notice of my applicants and how they behave when they don't think they're being watched. We don't induct people to raise our numbers, nor to even keep our numbers even with Legion's; we induct people who can be true knights. Notice you have to have a combination of role-playing *and* patience. Just because you use what you deem as a medieval tone in all of your speech, you're not guaranteed a haste induction, and you may not be fit for Valor at all. As for things not going very well, we are at war with Legion, but though they have more members and stronger powers, I think it's safe to say they've felt the power of Valor, as every member of Legion who has entered the realms since the war has begun has died at least once just while I've been watching, and most likely more than that when I've not been. We do not seek war, but when we are forced to it, we win. This is not intended to create a public conflict of who is "winning" the war, but I doubt anyone of Legion would say, "Valor seems to be having a hard time." Valor's slow beginning is gone. I sought quality over quantity in the start, as I will continue to. It has taken some time to find a good batch of knights, but the house is starting to benefit from that. Legion is also past its growing pains it seems, as it has sprouted into a fine house itself, and Xeonauz seems to have a lot of energy to put into it. They may have some strong powers, but they also have a lofty purpose. I'm sure anyone of Legion can tell you that Valor isn't the only group of people who've been killing them lately. Valor and Legion are both new, yes, but membership is growing steadily, and with the fall semester around the corner, you can bet we have a winter full of action in store for these two houses. If trying to get "in" to one of these houses has been frustrating you, believe me when I say your patience will eventually pay off. If we were too haste in our inductions, the houses would stray from their intended paths, which as you well know has happened to houses before. Valor and Legion are both very specific in their goals, and if you want to join one, you're going to have to role-play a character who has those same goals. I hope you all keep an open mind as Valor and Legion continue to merge with the rest of our world. Enjoy. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:24:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17196 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17192 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01808 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12690 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:24:15 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bdc0ae$d8d7b660$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:23:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Last I checked every member of Legion loved me. Only people that don't is the Knight and the squire I kicked out for poor role-playing. As for Etrigan, he's the Overlord, he is like the king of a kingdom. How many kings run to the front of battle unless needed? Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Horath forgardy To: Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >Hi, > The way i look at it is, I had a legion "squire" And i thought it >stunk, Xeonauz Is the worst leader i have ever seen. > And Etrigan stands around and watches us go raid life, Unless no >lifer's are on and he will come. Tarsheva is kinda cool. But >Legion still is the worst house i have ever seen. > > My $0.02 > Nathan > >>From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:56:36 1998 >>Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA18214; >> Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0500 (CDT) >>Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 >17:56:23 -0500 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18150 >> for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:22 -0500 (CDT) >>Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) >> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18146 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:21 -0500 >(CDT) >>Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) >> by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09254 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:20 -0500 (CDT) >>From: Bond0078@aol.com >>Received: from Bond0078@aol.com >> by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8QRMa04160 >> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) >>Message-ID: <4e48fe02.35c79140@aol.com> >>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 EDT >>To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >>Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>Precedence: bulk >> >>I agree with ManPrsnGuy on the lack of role-playing of the Knights of >Legion. >>I was asking Lisboarn about his sudden lack of [LEGION] by his name and >he was >>saying stuff like "Legion can suck my dick" and stuff life that. >>Is that really good role-playing? >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:28:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17400 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:28:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17396 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01910 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:28:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13132 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <005701bdc0af$6ba30ee0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:27:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I like this topic. I've been discussing it with a lot of people. I'm not going to point out any names in this, but there are people who sit on the butt and do nothing when another has an item, and I'm not talking about just Legion, there are several in EVERY house. Now, for the ones not in range of their enemies, not much can be done there. You raid, they pick it up, you can't do jack. Now, for the ones who have people in range, and sit on their butt and do nothing, those are cowards. Many people think that siting in a shrine and waiting for all their enemies to quit, or more of their house to log on is "smart" but what is really does is defeate the purpose of having house items to start with. As it is now I've told the Legion members they don't have to go against odds that aren't in their favor, because no one else does. Maybe if every house had a rule on this things would change, who knows? Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Thomas M. Davis To: Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >Not only that: > >Gaira is the only person in that house that should be allowed to even >wear their [LEGION] mark-- save maybe Hashkar. He (Gaira) is the only >one I have yet to see come for their sword. At that time I saw another >(no names of Evil Dwarf clerics being mentioned) and Gaira in the >realms. Gaira attempted 5 times against five or more Lifers - while >being summoned, attempted disintigrates, etc. This unnamed person, >didn't even show for the raid nor did he attempt to come for his >item...he sat and hid in some little cave while his housemate took >charge. > >As far as valor is concenred. There have only been a handful that I've >even seen around. Legion definately has more presence in DM's realms. > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:34:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17604 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17600 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02057 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:34:28 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YBa017154 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78202e18.35c8c1b5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:33:56 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Is Life Corrupt? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Heres a new topic while everyone is in the talking mood, does anyone else think SOME of lifes members are getting a little power hungry and turning into just plain old killers? Well I do, and it sickens me, when I joined it was a lot better, but lately its been going downhill. Some of lifes members are turning into just plain pk'ers. Does anyoen else agree? disaggree? want to kill me for even saying this? Falanderin Andreus, Elemental Heroine of Life From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:50:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17863 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17859 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02544 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:50:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 27822 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1998 20:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19980805205010.27821.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:50:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Is Life Corrupt? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:50:10 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I have to agree on this.....Many lifers I have seen lately want to do nothing but hunt and kill....And I am not just talking evils....They hunt neutrals that are well equiped too....I find this just plain wrong.....I am not saying go back to the days of non-aggression, but I am saying something needs to change....What is going on is not the intended purpose of the house.....As Xeo knows well since we have talked a bit....As well I have talked with Adorno......Though not a leader I am taking it upon myself in some manner to try to change some things a bit.....What I am trying to change, Well come around talk to me and I will be glad to let you know where I stand....See you in Thera. Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life.....rebel no more. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 15:53:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18066 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18062 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f239.hotmail.com [207.82.251.130]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02632 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26641 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1998 20:53:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19980805205318.26640.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.81.0.30 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:53:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.81.0.30] From: "Horath forgardy" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:53:17 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hiya, Humm, Well tim the way i look at it is, If they don't come to protect there damn sword, They all suck. I raided today and well, They never showed, I got the sword and they never came to the tree to get it, Only when i left Hashkar had the guts enough to come and get it. That is some good house you got there man. Nathan >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 13:24:35 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA17230; > Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:29 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:25 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17196 > for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:24 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17192 > for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:23 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01808 > for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:24:20 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) > by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP > id QAA12690 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:24:15 -0400 >Message-ID: <005101bdc0ae$d8d7b660$060110ac@shelby.net> >From: "Tim Whitaker" >To: >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:23:02 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Last I checked every member of Legion loved me. Only people that >don't is the Knight and the squire I kicked out for poor role-playing. >As for Etrigan, he's the Overlord, he is like the king of a kingdom. >How many kings run to the front of battle unless needed? > >Xeo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Horath forgardy >To: >Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:08 PM >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? > > >>Hi, >> The way i look at it is, I had a legion "squire" And i thought it >>stunk, Xeonauz Is the worst leader i have ever seen. >> And Etrigan stands around and watches us go raid life, Unless no >>lifer's are on and he will come. Tarsheva is kinda cool. But >>Legion still is the worst house i have ever seen. >> >> My $0.02 >> Nathan >> >>>From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 4 15:56:36 1998 >>>Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) >>> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA18214; >>> Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0500 (CDT) >>>Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 >>17:56:23 -0500 >>>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >>> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18150 >>> for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:22 -0500 (CDT) >>>Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) >>> by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18146 >>> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:21 -0500 >>(CDT) >>>Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) >>> by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09254 >>> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:56:20 -0500 (CDT) >>>From: Bond0078@aol.com >>>Received: from Bond0078@aol.com >>> by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8QRMa04160 >>> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) >>>Message-ID: <4e48fe02.35c79140@aol.com> >>>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:54:53 EDT >>>To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? >>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >>>Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>>Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>>Precedence: bulk >>> >>>I agree with ManPrsnGuy on the lack of role-playing of the Knights of >>Legion. >>>I was asking Lisboarn about his sudden lack of [LEGION] by his name and >>he was >>>saying stuff like "Legion can suck my dick" and stuff life that. >>>Is that really good role-playing? >>> >> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 17:37:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA24232 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24228 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04893 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listcuser108.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0964MBWIKFI57IX@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:37:13 EDT Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:36:22 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35C8DE66.5CB0345B@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199808050355.WAA09356@mail.multipro.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I just wanted to bring in a fresh topic I think might be on some people's minds. All the enforcers I see are really low in rank and don't seem to make much of a mark on Thera. I know people who used to fear getting a criminal flag because Ander would be so quick on your butt you'd be pretty dead. (Then there were those who didn't care and got it anyway because they knew the chase would be fun! =) Now Enforcer is led by an absentee leader and flanked by almost inadequate protection in the cities. Customarily you see an Enforcer, you don't wanna attack in town right? That's the whole point. Well, now it's you see an Enforcer, push him around, then kill who you wanted to kill. I'm saying this mostly from the hero standpoint to enforcers, all of which are, of lower rank. Rank up Enforcers. Outlaw, I wonder where the fire in Outlaw went. I just got an outlaw into the house, I wanted to see how it was doing, just to get a picture on what's going on with it. Ummm.... I've just been ranking as usual and just selling stuff for lack of better things to do. I raided Enforcer too, but that didn't work since I just plain died. =) I think Outlaw and Enforcer need SOMETHING to do. Like maybe something new and fresh, this might already be on the agenda of the Immortals but it would be nice if you guys gave a list, or something like that, of possible plans for the future. Just to keep the players informed, because right now it's like we play, complain about some stagnation, and I feel like the immortals are ignoring us. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying they are, I'm saying we don't know what's going on and I think we should have some clue. Maybe a possible plan in the future, etc etc. It's like Cirdan filling us in on how and why and stuff about legion/valor, which I think is helpful. So bottom line, could the Immortals give us a little update on current projects or possibilities? Just so we know what's in store for the future. (Just like no one knew, except for immortals and friends of immortals, that changelings would get an overhaul like that.) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 19:15:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26627 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:15:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26623 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06791 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:15:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YCUa04161 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:15:11 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:15:11 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/5/98 4:28:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wirikidor@shelby.net writes: << but there are people who sit on the butt and do nothing when another has an item, >> As my Outlaw hopefull, i raided Legion with some Rebel, cant remember spelling of name, but I got the sword, and sat around for at least 2 hours talking to Elderyn, and noone said a word to me, and I beleive there were about 2 legions on, didnt even ask or anything. I would like to add a third name to that list of OKAY role-players in LEgion. Tenchu. he is my only Legion PK and hes pretty good. He is TOUGH. But hes one of the Knights who knows what hes doing. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 5 23:54:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA07452 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07448 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:54:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11174 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:54:29 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8AQRa02269 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5da68cb3.35c936e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:53:52 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Another poor note for Legions roleplaying...at this Moment Tarsheva is refusing to attack a rebel that holds his obsidian sword after fleeing from them because "its no fun killing you anymore". Since when doe slegion care if its fun to kill a rebel when they hold their sword? isn't it their duty, especially since they claim its easy to slay them. Either Tarsheva is lazy and a bad role player or is afraid and lieing about it. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 02:22:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA09581 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09577 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12968 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:22:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-76.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.76]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18658 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C94C68.E223112E@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:25:45 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw References: <199808050355.WAA09356@mail.multipro.com> <35C8DE66.5CB0345B@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I do like this topic thanks for bringing it up, Jim. I'm one of those guys that like to dwell on the past myself and think about "old times." When he was the man and all were scared of him. When that house rocked and you feared the time you saw them on a where, or didn't *grin*. I'm here to wake you up though. Ander's gone. He's not coming back. If you want those times when Enforcer was feared back again. I've a feeling that you're gonna have to jump in to it. Old saying goes, If you want some- thing done right, you have to do it yourself. Like I said in my past e-mail though, you have to experience this stuff. You can't make a character one day, decide to join and house and expect to be inducted. I'm not sure if you are all aware of that, but you'll have to put some time in. Although I like the thought of seeing Enforcer actually being around, I can't do anything about it, I'm retired. But, heres the new "want to join Enforcer ad" :), for those that do? Go join the house. Heck! I'll say it, join any house. I made lots of characters. When I played Malistien as a mortal believe it was 2 years ago. He was a Centaur Paladin and a little guy in Enforcer. He wasn't a major player, no one feared him, as far as I know no one ever did. But I had a lot of heart. I played my character a good bit, and with a bit of rp I managed to get a job in the Pantheon. Now I won't say that everyone can do that but if you had told me I was gonna be an immortal 2 years ago...I'd have probably laughed as if you were joking. What I'm saying though, it's amazing what you can accomplish on Dark Mists. I'd like to encourage all that aren't housed and are on this mailing list to: Go out and explore, if not explore talk to people that know Thera. Read help files on the Houses, save Ancient. And try to get in a house. At times it will seem like the worst idea you've ever had, but at other times you've wished you'd done it sooner. So goes life I guess. Meanwhile...Play the game. Chris aka Malistien From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 03:10:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA09965 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09961 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:10:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA13520 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:10:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust15.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.15]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19060 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101bdc111$d18374e0$0f9e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:10:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Outlaw, I wonder where the fire in Outlaw went. I just got an outlaw >into the house, I wanted to see how it was doing, just to get a picture >on what's going on with it. Ummm.... I've just been ranking as usual and >just selling stuff for lack of better things to do. >I raided Enforcer too, but that didn't work since I just plain died. =) > >I think Outlaw and Enforcer need SOMETHING to do. How can you make comments like this when I just brough ya in? the only reasons spme of the Outlaws were getting bored is because we were demolishing the enforcers at will..Ask obolan, zirzos, elanor, etc. We've had the Book everytime I've stepped into the realm every day for the last month or so. Where's the fire? sheesh...it was starting to get too one-sided to be fun. Actually, I'm glad to see the new crop of enforcers. there young now, but I assume they'll rank up eventually...makes things exciting. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 07:07:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14417 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:07:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14401 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16195 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA31856 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bdc132$9aa0d8c0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think it's in really poor taste to be pointing out specific people here. Basically your bashing someone who probably isn't even on the list. Everyone is quick to say someone is a bad role player or a cheater when they don't do one little thing (and I'm not defending Tarsheva or Legion, I'm talking everyone). If someone does something you don't like then keep it to yourself, if you think it's cheating tell a God, but don't whine on a mailing list, especially with names. I'll catch the results of this later, I'll be on vacation till Sunday :p Xeo -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] What about Valor? > Another poor note for Legions roleplaying...at this Moment Tarsheva is >refusing to attack a rebel that holds his obsidian sword after fleeing from >them because "its no fun killing you anymore". Since when doe slegion care if >its fun to kill a rebel when they hold their sword? isn't it their duty, >especially since they claim its easy to slay them. Either Tarsheva is lazy >and a bad role player or is afraid and lieing about it. > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 07:43:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA15720 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15716 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:43:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16696 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:43:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-048.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J09ZNRPQPUFI5B1J@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:43:24 EDT Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:42:29 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] A BRIEF Beginner Guide, The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35C9A4B5.2D4E3933@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199808050355.WAA09356@mail.multipro.com> <35C8DE66.5CB0345B@suffolk.lib.ny.us> <35C94C68.E223112E@bellsouth.net> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Chris' bit, I think joining a House is great. It brings another aspect of roleplaying to the game, however I want to note that joining conflicting Houses is something the Immortals don't smile on. I used to have a character in both Life and Ancient, they maoned and groaned about it, and in the end both ended up not being in the Houses. (One for inactivity, the other for some strange reason i don't know still to this day). One thing I must say is that joining a House does hone your skills in some respect. I think that every player who wants to be much of anything needs experience. You can't get along with just brains, but it does speed up the learning process. My path to whereever it is now, which isn't spectacular but is decent, is to have two types of players: 1) Housed, roleplaying. 2) Housed (if you want) or unhoused, pker. While you can put a pking roleplayer, it's usually easier to just plain pk people. Now there are those who JUST pk. You pk, then you die, then you make another char, and pk and pk and pk. That's... boring. I had one pker and the rest are roleplaying characters because you need to possess certain skills to survive. If you need to run, go ahead and run because it keeps you alive and why die simply coz an illithid wants to vap your ass. About Enforcer, I can't say I know what's going on. I just hope they can have a more visible presence on DM, that's simply all. While I know Wervdon doesn't want to induct every character who applies, I think those he does induct should show up a tad more frequently. The reason for this is because Enforcers are more visible. They serve a function in the world that is written out, unlike any other House. So their absence is felt more than the absence of say, Ancient. Ancient has no written role function, it changed frm a hunter to a house killing machine with almost no repercussion on the whole scheme of things. (I mean like no major changes, Ancient killed a whole buncha people, and changes I mean on the level of say the introduction of Legion/Valor.) So rank up enforcers. =) WHy does Legion have that hiding thing anyhow? I never really thought of it that way but if they're supposed to flaunt their power and rule "with an iron fist", why be invisible to the eyes? (effectively invisible) Well, that about covers it I think, just trying to introduce a few more things to the list, Man I love it when there aren't any flames on here =) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 07:46:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA15908 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:46:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15904 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:46:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16740 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-048.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J09ZRSX59IFI5B1J@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:46:39 EDT Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:45:50 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35C9A57E.41F8530D@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <001101bdc111$d18374e0$0f9e2299@hillpc> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Scott C. Hill wrote: > > >Outlaw, I wonder where the fire in Outlaw went. I just got an outlaw > >into the house, I wanted to see how it was doing, just to get a picture > >on what's going on with it. Ummm.... I've just been ranking as usual and > >just selling stuff for lack of better things to do. > >I raided Enforcer too, but that didn't work since I just plain died. =) > > > >I think Outlaw and Enforcer need SOMETHING to do. > > How can you make comments like this when I just brough ya in? the only > reasons spme of the Outlaws were getting bored is because we were > demolishing the enforcers at will..Ask obolan, zirzos, elanor, etc. We've > had the Book everytime I've stepped into the realm every day for the last > month or so. Where's the fire? sheesh...it was starting to get too one-sided > to be fun. > > Actually, I'm glad to see the new crop of enforcers. there young now, but I > assume they'll rank up eventually...makes things exciting. Actually, when i said fire I meant nothing to do right? Well I've seen us break outlaws (or the ones in my range, had fun with zonjoran =) and all that. You said it yourself you were getting bored right? That's what I meant, i just sell stuff and wander around. =) I think you might have interpreted it as "Outlaw is slow, sucks, I don't like it." I meant the same as you did. Too one sided, boring coz of demolishing. Hence the little thing about Enforcer needing to rank up. Sorry if I irked ya, guess I didn't phrase it correctly. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 10:38:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24661 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:38:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24657 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:38:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f220.hotmail.com [207.82.251.111]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20436 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 1998 15:37:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980806153724.14608.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:37:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Status of Enforcer/Outlaw Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:37:23 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Yes Myself and a number of others have also wonder about legions ability to hide.....If they are supposed to be so strong and rule the land....Why would they need to or want to hide from the view of everyone.....I would think they would want their presence known....Xeo if you aren't gone on vacation yet maybe you could clear this up..... As for Enforcer Yeah they need more of a presence, but if they aren't getting good apps I can understand why they don't have a presence...Maybe some more of the experienced players need to get an Enforcer going.....hmmm......I know skayeth would like some help.......Last night was the first time I had seen four of them around at once....I also saw most of the criminals in the realm wither leave....Or die to get the flag removed....When around they from what I can see are doing a decent job....At least I know Skayeth is.....I don't know many of the others..... And I also must agree that I like the lack of flaming going on now.....Much more productive... Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life.....rebel no more! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 12:30:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA01603 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01599 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:30:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23632 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listcuser137.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0A9ODKC3CFI5JSJ@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:30:14 EDT Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:29:03 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion's "Hiding" Ability To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35C9E7DE.7E1B0921@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19980806153724.14608.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Outlaw fights for freedom against the oppression of Enforcer and its laws imposed on Thera right? With a cloaked figure form they are "hidden" in the respect that if they are present they don't appear on a who command. So they are more underground where you don't see them. Valor fights against the tyranny of Legion right? But it's the rulers with the ability to hide and be subversive instead of the rebels being the ones underground and fighting for the Rebellion. However, I'm not saying give Valor the ability to hide. I think a House that calls its members Knights (just like Crusaders call themselves Knight of the Crusade) should have some honor in its actions, so hiding in general isn't such an honorable thing to do. (I don't mean classes with abilities to hide, I mean houses that give the ability to hide in the respect that you aren't visible to everyone whether it be physically hiding, on a where or a who) I think I'm beating a dead horse... I invite someone to just give a response for the other side, just to get this topic going a bit. =) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 20:15:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18431 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:15:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18427 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03297 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:15:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (204.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.234]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09988 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808070111.UAA09988@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Legion's "Hiding" Ability Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:15:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Before I touch "Legion's ability to hide", let me explain a bit about honor and being a knight, of any kind. Thinking all knights are honorable is a mistake. Crusaders are honorable. Some knights, such as Valor, are not held by any code of honor, for they seek a greater goal, universal peace. However, being a Knight of Valor does bring about some honor in itself. Though I've never set down a strict policy, I've never seen my knights fight anyone with ridiculous odds, unless it was in retribution of a recent and similar act. We'll fight with uneven odds on our side all we like though. Legion is much the same way, in that they seek a universal order, and do not hold themselves to a strict code of honor in order to attain it. Those of Legion don't want to act too dishonorably, however, else risk having the entire realm set against them. As for Legion being able to "hide", it is an advantage in battle, nothing else. Knights of Legion are in plain view much of the time, and use this ability to help them pursue and slay a rebel or someone who's death would benefit their cause. They do not use this ability to hide themselves from view in order to become a secret society. If you know so many of the members, then I don't see how you can argue they're too hidden. If you're being hunted by one, then expect to be hunted stealthily. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 21:15:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20273 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20269 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:15:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04178 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:15:48 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YKVa04180 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:15:13 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <92151401.35ca6333@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:15:13 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Legion's "Hiding" Ability Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thats fine that the are stealth pkers, but the pkers that hunt them cant catch them. When a house has the equivalent to house earthfade. When people go after a legion member if the Legionaire doesn't have a group advantage the majority of time they simply sit inone place and hide. I'm sorry there is a reason why only monks and thieves can see hide and invis, thats because its a powerful ability. But there is no check for the power. It can't be detected and you have to just sit around and watch them come to you and when they run they can't be caught. Well they can but it requires the person from every fleeing. The shadow power in CF was like this but it they gate it a chance to be seen my people that could detect hidden, that at least gave house some leverage. As for legion and roleplaying its a house that leads with a iron fist but it has no followers. I don't mean it doesn't have members in its house but I mean that people that support it. For a house thats suppose to rule more people should love house legion. Truely what has happened is a house that has popped up and the imms have thrust a roleplaying slant on all of Thera. But over all they majority of the players citizens whatever you want to call it, don't really care about legion it doesn't really effect them. For the real flavor it should have it needs to affect people on a more global level. I admit this this would be difficult but we are striving for roleplaying and right now what we have is a house that pks rebels for pissing them off. Honestly if I were Legion I would be upset at the large number of rebels out there. When I see 25% of the populace are rebel well if I were a Legion member I would think something is wrong. Personally I think the house should go to the next level, forget the petty house wars they are starting and they are starting them and deal with important issue like controlling the towns, yeah legion has outposts and they can pk in town without regard but they didn't earn this power themselves it was handed to them and what have they now since then, basically nothing. I realize this not may not be agreed with but before you flame it and that seems the policy of this mailing list think about it. Do you really think legion is living up to their potential? Should a ruling empire not have followers. You know its said if you don't have a rebel flag then you are a supporter of Legion, do you really think people even know that? I personally think they need to stop acting like a bunch of thugs and be a very political house. Now being that ancients is out of commision all the old players are flowing into legion, this is solely a opinion but it looks like what is happening. I personally think Legion could be a awesome house, but its gonna require a lot of interaction with players and immortals because certain things a player just can't do. Welp thats all I have to say for now, Thanks Guys Brian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 6 22:51:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA24160 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:51:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24156 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05566 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:51:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FKEa04161 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:51:09 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:51:09 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion in General Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu With the rebels being around and constituting so much of the population, I think that Legion would do to induct new members to be an actual "Legion", not just those who are the high level, high power few that make up Legion now. The rebels are going a little to far, from what I've seen, and just become pkers when branded a rebel. One other thing I've noticed is that the focus of houses has been concentrated to Legion. All the other houses seem to be "noble" now and adhere to a very strict set of rules. No longer are people fearing the cloaked figures, the outlaws, the crusaders but only the Legion and the Rebels. I dont even see Valor in the picture. Anyway, either some of the Houses need to change quite a bit or the game will get back into the rut it was in before the destruction of Midgaard... Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 10:19:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11198 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11194 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15446 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:18:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA82192; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:15:31 +0300 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:15:30 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion in General In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu One thing I dont understand about Legion is, how can they kill Rebels in towns without being marked as criminal. I mean, for Enforcer, Laws are above all, that's right. But, who added that little paragraph into the Laws that Legion could kill Rebels?? Why could Legion do this? If someone explains that, I'll be enlightned :). -Bo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 10:59:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14543 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:59:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14539 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f224.hotmail.com [207.82.251.115]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA16501 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:59:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15958 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1998 15:59:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980807155917.15957.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:59:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Legion in General Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:59:17 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu When Legion was first started the so called Law X I think it is called in the rules was added. This is because Legion is supposed to be am empire above all the houses and such. I am sure that when Xeo gets back from Vacation he would be glad to explain it more in depth, but that is the brief idea of it. Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life....rebel no more! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 13:52:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA29115 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29111 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20494 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-065.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.65]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12562 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB4D8B.1B4C2ABF@telenet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:55:08 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] IDEAS X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <000e01bdbfc3$d15553c0$a1a02299@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu okay...I just got done writing Hashkars goodbye note and all that. As some of you may know, I've been a player on DM since way back when the original Ancients came around. Not as long as some....but still a REAL long time. I've seen alot of change in the game since then, and alot of it is for the worst. The Imm's have done a great job of setting up a mud with alot of houses, areas, skills, spells, and a good RP atmosphere. It's taken some players to completely mess up all this work. All the hoarders who only log on after they check with another character first to see who is in the realms make me sick. That's right up there with the ones who are on with one char, see a fight between two higher ranking ones, and log-on with their hero so they can get in on it and get some loot. Something needs to be done with this or the game is gonna goto hell. One other thing that burns me is the middle ranks, where no one ranks, I talked to a couple of people the other day and I asked them what they were all about... Their answer...killing....no personality...nada...just killing...*yawn* I'd appreciate any feedback on how the players who actually want to make the mist's a better place, can start doing something to fix it. Even though I won't be playing as much or at all now, I'd still like to see it fixed so that one day I might come back. AC From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 13:57:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA29301 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:57:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29297 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:57:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20594 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:57:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P8DF2SS2; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB4F67.1D0CF95B@logex.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:03:03 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX, a Division of AppNet Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] IDEAS References: <000e01bdbfc3$d15553c0$a1a02299@hillpc> <35CB4D8B.1B4C2ABF@telenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ditto to that last one: I'd love to see an eq purge. I think that would solve alot. There are so many people out there scared of losing it by PK. It makes me sick. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 14:49:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29922 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:49:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29914 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21784 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:49:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8CBQa17153 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9cd01af4.35cb5a1b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:48:42 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] IDEAS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-07 14:53:08 EDT, you write: << Their answer...killing....no personality...nada...just killing...*yawn* I'd appreciate any feedback on how the players who actually want to make the mist's a better place, can start doing something to fix it. Even though I won't be playing as much or at all now, I'd still like to see it fixed so that one day I might come back. >> I totally agree with this statement. Anyone who is in the same level for more than like 1 month is there for one reason: pking. Any character I have ever played has had a completely different personality from all my others except for one thing: They wont kill for equipment or just for the hell of it, but only for revenge or to prove a point. The rules state that there should only be a few serial killers in the world, but why is it that 3/4of the people that have ever attacked me do it without even looking at my character to see what he has. And is it right to have an elf try to kill a draconian just because he's a draconion? Wouldnt killing in cold blood constitute a movment from good to neutral? Also, I think the idea of the seperate guilds having a guildmaster, as in a frequent player high in levels, good rp'er and somone who has been around for awhile there with a title and maybe some extra's, nothing much, but some extra powers or something there to help out and be there for storylines and events, contests and the like within the world or the guild. Anyway, enough ranting. Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 7 15:15:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01467 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:15:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01463 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22856 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:15:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8KLOa04520 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <703b3fd7.35cb6050@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:15:11 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Elder Gods... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Since when are there Elder Gods walking around in the middle of the Dragon Sea!?!?! Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 8 08:27:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA29959 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:27:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29955 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:27:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05997 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:26:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8PNGa03745 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:26:14 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Legion in General Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/7/98 11:19:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ulkebay@rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr writes: << One thing I dont understand about Legion is, how can they kill Rebels in towns without being marked as criminal. I mean, for Enforcer, Laws are above all, that's right. But, who added that little paragraph into the Laws that Legion could kill Rebels?? Why could Legion do this? If someone explains that, I'll be enlightned :). -Bo >> Legion can kill Rebels in town because they are, well Rebels. They defied the Empire, the "rightfull" ::cough:: errr, self appointed rightfull government. Basically, Legion has Enforcer wrapped arounnd its finger so it wont flag their knights when they kill "those who defied us" The "us" never means that I am a member, it was what was said to me by a Knight. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 00:03:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA25526 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25522 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:03:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f91.hotmail.com [207.82.250.197]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA14742 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25558 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 05:02:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809050230.25557.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 22:02:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Guildmaster Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:02:29 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Also, I think the idea >of the seperate guilds having a guildmaster, as in a frequent player >high in levels, good rp'er and somone who has been around for awhile >there with a title and maybe some extra's, nothing much, but some >extra powers or something there to help out and be there for >storylines and events, contests and the like within the world or the >guild. Anyway, enough ranting. >Corey First of all, I'm sure everyone's now wondering what I (Xalia) do as guildmaster. In regard to powers, I gained little in that respect except rp wise. I do have the power to reccomend someone to be thrown out of the guild. Yes, that can happen. If the Immortals agree with my recomendation, the 'forsaken of the guild' or whatever they choose to call it, cannot enter a guild room they cannot practice or train in a guild house if they teleport into one, and they cannot train or practice at me, or respective guildmaster I am a guildmaster like the ones in the guild rooms, but I can move. When next to me, a channeler can train, practice, or gain convert/revert I expect soon to get requests, 'can you gate to me so I can practice concatenate?' There are things being looked into about guildmasters First, to all channelers: I am your guildmaster, so always feel free to ask me advice. Now, if that advice is location/stats of eq, I might not answer. If it is in regard to studying/practicing any of our skills/spells, I will always discuss it, even if I can't help you with it. Any rp discussions will be apreciated, if I am busy, I will get to you in time For those channelers who have attacked me or other things Or are on Xyza's hit list. I'm still looking into whether or not I can hunt you (for those on the hit list).. although if you ask for advice, I to treat you as any other channeler. Betrayal of the guild a reason for possible.. umm.. forsakenness? anyone know a term for it? Attacking other channelers outside the guild room is not considered betrayal of the guild, don't worry about that Attacking other channelers 'inside' the guild room is being debated by the immortals still The immortals are working on different things that guildmasters can do on another note, I expect the next guildmaster to either be my replacement, (in time) or Brona for Necromancer.. The Immortals send scrolls to everyone in my name, if they want to, or if they want it said in a certain way/etc. I will be the first informed about changes in channeler skills/spells the first mortal that is One of the first duties i have, is checking the help files. I'm going above this, and re-writing all the help files for all channeler skills/spells. I will either completely re-write each, or just fix them Fixing errors, misleading information, typos, and bad wrapping (lines too long) I will have the help files (for channelers) done by next saturday (i'm giving myself extra time, i expect to have it done by monday or tuesday) but it might take a while to be coded back into the help files, and then there will still need to be a reboot (i think) eventually, these changes may, or may not occur: I might be able to do a 'who channeler' to list all of them, it may or may not include rank.. but of course I know all the titles of all their ranks I might be able to send scrolls to all and only channelers I might get a skill or spell that lets me see the %'s of each skill and spell channelers have, so I know how to help them As to special powers, I am no stronger than any other channeler, (not from the position at least, some might think me stronger for other reasons.. i'm not one of them) Also, I will be taking on (an) apprentice(s) I will ask the Immortals if it will be formal, ie all those secondary titles you see apprentice to If I can't make it formal, I'll still train someone informally, and then I'll train more than one most likely. if you want the job, send me a scroll on the mud, not here of course saying why you want it, and why you deserve it if you've gotten this far, then you're interested enough that i don't have to apologize for the length of this post..hehe any ooc questions on the subject, feel free to send either directly to my email, or on the board, preferably on the board if its not personal Umm, I know I'm forgetting something.. but of course I can send another post.. I don't know why, but I feel like listing who I am.. anyone who doesn't like it can.. well.. tell me, and I won't list them again *** = DEAD ***Ragnar the Great Mystic, ***Thalon the Student of Form, ***Xenith Xyrthane, (ex)Humble Servant of the Lady of Magic, ArchWizard of Balance ***Xyrthuine Xanor the.. i forget.. a changeling female paladin >>Xalia Xynthra, the Guildmaster of Channelers<< (woohoo!) Xythe Xalthorn, the still ranking Nightwalker My 2 Grewsh -Jon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 00:37:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA26824 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:37:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26820 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f185.hotmail.com [207.82.251.74]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA15055 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:37:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 20677 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 05:37:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809053701.20676.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 22:37:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Guildmaster Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:37:01 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu oh yeh, not just from a rping stand point, the Ancient Gold Dragon said it would not be wise to attack your own guildmaster.. especially when asking for trains to betray me that way.. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 02:29:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA29258 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29254 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f120.hotmail.com [207.82.250.173]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA16028 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:29:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9887 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 07:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809072901.9886.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.184.134 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:29:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.179.184.134] From: "Tom Forester" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:29:00 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well it's fairly easy (i mean that in a relative term) for a channeler, hell, any mage type class to master all their skills/spells. If a spell is already up (like say sanc has 6 ticks on it) you can cast it over and over while already up to master it. Thieves, warriors, rangers, etc are all basically screwed since they have skills where you must wait for it to run out (acute, detect hidden, warcry, berserk) before you can attempt to use the skill again. Example, a level 30 thief can only try and use detect hidden every 31 ticks (counting the "0 hours" thing) and with such an insane delay on those kind of skills you'd more than likely be dead of old age before mastering them. I have a hero thief I'd like to make a guildmaster, but there's not much point because I'll never master detect hidden w/ a 52 tick wait in between using it.. barely goes up when I use it anyway. Also, with every thief char I have had, downstrike has not gone up _ONE SINGLE TIME_ and I trip like mad (or used to before trip got screwed over, 1 round lag for target, 2 round lag for tripper, eesh) I think downstrike needs to be looked into.. and envenom has a 3 round lag on it.. tough puppy to master too, but nowhere near as hard as detect hidden etc. I was wondering if the immortals would allow a quest for mastery of an ability that can only be used every X number of ticks or something.. or maybe you dont need to have it mastered to become guildmaster, I dont know. Just wanted to get that fact across, maybe we can kick it around for a while and think of something to do with the problem. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 03:25:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00083 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:25:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00079 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:25:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA16429 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:25:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FWBa17154 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <679cf46e.35cd5c93@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:23:46 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-09 03:29:48 EDT, you write: << use detect hidden every 31 ticks (counting the "0 hours" thing) and with such an insane delay on those kind of skills you'd more than likely be dead of old age before mastering them. >> Try spamming this one. Some skills (i.e. hide, sneak, others with a counter like this) might still go up after the skills taken affect. But I must agree with the downstrike theory. I have never had downstrike go up once. I have tried, but given up because the skill is kinda worthless at the rank you gain it. Maybe raise how hard the hit is? At least as powerful as circle strike, hopefully... Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 09:30:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA02251 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:30:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02247 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA18887 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 18229 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 14:29:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809142938.18228.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.7.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 07:29:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.7.28] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:29:37 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well everyone I too must agree. Downstrike has not gone up for me at all. I have spent countless hours in the grove when I was younger tripping things and then I went up to the obisidian guards and so on. I have to say I do have 2/3 of my skills mastered as well as 4/6 house powers. I am attempting to master all my skills, but I to wonder about downstrike. I did talk to a thief not long after I started Loric that said he had downstrike at 98%. That blew me away. But I have not talked to one with a single improvemnt since. As for detect Hidden, just make sure each time you bring it back up you are drunk. That is the way that will take the least time. I have mine at I think 94% now. I would however like to hear from the imms about downstrike. Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 09:35:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA02454 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:35:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02450 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:35:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18910 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-030.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0EAG2GUUGFI5RH0@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:34:55 EDT Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 10:34:02 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35CDB35A.F710A9F4@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <679cf46e.35cd5c93@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Channeler abilities are definitely easier to master than ranger abilities for those reasons. As for trying to get it to work, most of ranger abilities use mana when they work (or half if you can't use it or fail) but things like warcry, acute vision, protection heat cold, barkskin, and skinning won't work unless the timer gets off. Maybe make it so that you can still do warcry even when you're already warcried, except it won't work. Just as if you were to cast armor when already armored. And would someone tell me how in the world I'm supposed to master camp? It actually went up 1% when I was camping! But that was once in about 200 or so hours. So unless i get better, it'll be about 2000 hours until it is mastered. At that point I'll be permenantly camped six feet under. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 10:41:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA03018 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03014 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:40:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19433 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:40:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8KQSa12330 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:40:04 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/9/98 10:35:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jwang@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: << except it won't work. Just as if you were to cast armor when already armored. >> Thats how my channeler mastered armor: when already armored, spam "c armor" about 30 times, sleep, wake drink ale drink ale drink ale, spam "c armor" another 30 times and so on. It will work if its already on, as long as your using the mana, you can get better at it. Like teleport, even if it says you failed, you can still get better at opposed to "you lost your concentration" or even if you cast it correctly it can get better From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 11:58:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04230 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04226 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:58:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20071 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:58:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-100.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0EFFEWN40FI5TKK@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:58:00 EDT Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 12:57:04 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35CDD4E0.B64779C3@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Bond0078@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/98 10:35:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jwang@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > > << except it won't work. Just as if you > were to cast armor when already armored. >> > > Thats how my channeler mastered armor: when already armored, spam "c armor" > about 30 times, sleep, wake drink ale drink ale drink ale, spam "c armor" > another 30 times and so on. It will work if its already on, as long as your > using the mana, you can get better at it. Like teleport, even if it says you > failed, you can still get better at opposed to "you lost your concentration" > or even if you cast it correctly it can get better *bonk self* that's what i meant but i worded it in a really strange way. when i said except it won't work i was referring to warcry, it won't use up mana if it's already on and you type warcry. I wondered if maybe it would be changed to something like armored where you could do that. and anyone who knows how to improve camp, i'd LOVE to hear how. =) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 12:00:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04509 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:00:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04505 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:00:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20106 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:00:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YWTa11469 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79c5c98b.35cdd58b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:59:54 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/9/98 12:58:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwang@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: << and anyone who knows how to improve camp, i'd LOVE to hear how. =) >> My guess would be to spam: camp wake camp wake over and over again that would be my guess From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 12:33:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05439 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:33:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05435 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20435 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-100.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0EGODHHL0FI5TKK@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:33:25 EDT Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:32:36 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35CDDD34.3A200CA1@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <79c5c98b.35cdd58b@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hehehe, tried camp st camp st did it about twenty something odd times and other than another person i was talking to complainng about lag, nothing happened. =) so all rangers out there, unless i'm wrong, camp st won't work well =) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 13:32:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05748 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05744 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20957 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:32:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8VLWa04161 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45c30a2c.35cdeb1b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:31:53 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/9/98 1:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwang@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: << did it about twenty something odd times and other than another person i was talking to complainng about lag, nothing happened. =) >> twenty something times wont work when you master spells and skills it takes a heck of a lot more than twenty. When i mastered create food, i had about 600 sitting there on the ground for getting better about 6 or 7 times DO IT ALOT it wont work immediately, any of you who play mages know to have ALOT of patience From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 14:13:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06419 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:13:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06415 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:13:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21345 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:13:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust151.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.151]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02465 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301bdc3c9$f7eeb120$979e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >And would someone tell me how in the world I'm supposed to master camp? >It actually went up 1% when I was camping! But that was once in about >200 or so hours. So unless i get better, it'll be about 2000 hours until >it is mastered. At that point I'll be permenantly camped six feet under. *rofl* *rofl* *rofl* *rofl* *rofl* *rofl* Sorry, but i had to laugh at this one. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 9 17:00:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07815 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07811 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f16.hotmail.com [207.82.250.27]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA23201 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:00:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12408 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 22:00:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809220002.12407.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:00:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:00:02 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu With camp, just keep waking up and camping over and over, that works with every similar skill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 10 08:27:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23785 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:27:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23781 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:27:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f210.hotmail.com [207.82.251.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA03742 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:27:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 20811 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1998 13:27:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980810132700.20809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:26:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:26:59 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well as far as I can see camp doesn't improve by doing it by waking and camping again and again. I sat there for about 20 minutes doing nothing but that and didn't get one improvement. I think that you only get improves on it while you are camped and hurt. It is much like a form of fast healing, only improves when it is checked to work. Unlike hide and things like that. The current use makes extremely hard to master. Since with over 400 times trying last night alone I got not one improvement. But that seems to me much the same as my previous mention of downstrike. Yeah you can use it over and over, but it isn't gonna improve, and if it does it will only be the smallest amount. Any recommendations that the imms might give on this would be greatly appreciated. Adam A. Hubbard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 10 16:30:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08358 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08354 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:30:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19504 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:30:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8VRTa17153 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:29:27 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/10/98 9:28:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hubb97@hotmail.com writes: << Since with over 400 times trying last night alone I got not one improvement >> did you try it drunk? That always helps. Plus, can rangers make a lightning bolt with control weather? If so, then you can practice control weather, lightning bolt, and camp at same time. Control weather, lighning bolt self, then camp(if like you say it only gets better if your hurt. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 10 16:35:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08741 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:35:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08734 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:35:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19611 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:35:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-175.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0G3EF4MTIFI62HS@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:35:09 EDT Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:34:19 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35CF675B.76D2659A@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Bond0078@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/10/98 9:28:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hubb97@hotmail.com writes: > > << Since with over 400 times trying last night alone I got not one > improvement >> > > did you try it drunk? That always helps. Plus, can rangers make a lightning > bolt with control weather? If so, then you can practice control weather, > lightning bolt, and camp at same time. Control weather, lighning bolt self, > then camp(if like you say it only gets better if your hurt. It's call lightning and like any area spell, doesn't hurt the caster =) jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 10 19:06:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14515 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14511 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:06:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.hotmail.com [207.82.251.138]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22495 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 19066 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 1998 00:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19980811000528.19064.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:05:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] guildmasters Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:05:27 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu if you want to stay hurt, let your dehydration or undying hunger hurt you.. i believe that works for fast healing, and at each tick just keep camping to get dehydrated, drink some blood from the fountain of gore, or fill a jug with it ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 02:05:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA26576 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26572 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29214 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:05:29 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA19673 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx48-43.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.107) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019646; Tue Aug 11 02:04:23 1998 Message-ID: <35CFEFF9.5E7C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:17:13 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! References: <19980722133656.8692.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Adam Hubbard wrote: > > Well not that I don't see what you are saying Thrym, but I thought that > the point of being in a house is that you are further from the unhoused. > If you were to take away Arcana's channel and crusader's deathblow, > Crusader by far gets the better deal there. Because as elite warriors > they hit hard all the time anyway. And without our Channel we would not > have even close to enough life to stand up to them even without their > deathblow. It is tough enough with both of them. And about the > mischief, I know you are all about chaos and confusion, but Arcana is > not meant to be out createing mischief. Yeah we have fun be we are a > non-aggressive house. As you know that is why we have the abilities we > do. They are meant more for defense. Now if we were aggressive I could > see the reduction in the amount of life we get from channel. Because > then it would be unfair to the normal populace, but since we aren't > aggressive, we only attack those that attack us. We do not go hunting > unless you have done something to us. Then if that is the case, that > was their mistake in messing with us. I would be glad to hear anything > more you would like to say on this. I have heard others make mention of > this before. > > Adam Well, that's kinda what I mean, I know you're not aggressive but non-housed people whether magic hating or not simply are rarely gonna attack arcana members because of their great power over them. If crusaders losing deathblow isn't enough to balance, weaken them a little more. And there's not many non-housed magic lovers that would even think of attacking a crusader. And that makes a very close knit war that doesn't deal with anyone else. And I just think there'd be more action between people with those ideals rather than just those in those houses. -Thrym From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 02:12:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA26856 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:12:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26852 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:12:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29290 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:12:34 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA19889 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx48-43.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.107) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019858; Tue Aug 11 02:11:42 1998 Message-ID: <35CFF1B1.3B25@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:24:33 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing References: <19980723202218.6109.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The Raven wrote: > powerful a warrior they are. Toneing down the house powers will just > make it easier for unhoused gear horders to come up, kill us, take our > gear, hide in their guilds and then say "Ha! Ha! I have all the limited > stuff and I'm hiding in my guild and logging on once a month and you > can't have any of it because I'm a greedy no rp person who only cares > about pieces of coded text." Oh and since I've rambled on and on, I've seen more cheap eq hoarding done by housed people than any unhoused person. And they do exactly what you talk about except it's in their house, shrine, or guild. -Thrym From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 02:34:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA27441 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27437 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:34:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29537 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:34:08 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA20717 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx48-43.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.107) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020665; Tue Aug 11 02:33:05 1998 Message-ID: <35CFF6B3.6E0F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:45:55 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild References: <19980729191633.22395.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Xialinin Zo'xzin wrote: > > Obviously I was unaware of some opinions the Immortals of the Mists > hold. Let me explain some things. First, the reason the site is where > it is has to do with the fact that Fleur De Lis has given us unlimited > space and upload/download. They could care less what we do with it as > long as we don't take traffic away from them.. which I really doubt we > do. Furthermore, I have some things I would like to say OOC to the > Pantheon. I once considered working within your "system" but after I > realized that people like Xeonauz, people who get caught cheating over > and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really > bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. > and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the > Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer > only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the > lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically > removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the > fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say > about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall > further and further,.. so far in fact as to implement ANOTHER pure pking > House like Legion because things were gettings so boring people couldn't > stand it. The Houses are stagnating, you change the stats of items week > by week, and you implement changes in important skills without sending > notes. I loved it when I got on with my changeling and saw people > changing to look like me, but shouldn't we have been told about the > change. Don't act as if my efforts are an insult.. they will only be so > because you haven't been doing a lot with the Mists for quite some time. > There is little to no action in the Mud, and even where roleplaying > could be done well, it is done uncreatively and without flavor. Any > attempt to suggest things is usually met with a "Well, you can suggest > but chances are it won't come to anything'.. You want people to work > within the mud, then listen to them. Otherwise.. you'll have a lot of > people going back to CF or elsewhere. > > Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers Firstly, If you think CF listens to their players at all, you're crazy. Next, I'd like to say that we plan things out entirely and to change things in the mud takes time and effort, we get mortal ideas about things but if they aren't very well thought out or tell us exactly what the effects and benefits of the change are, we don't do much thinking over it unless we feel it'ss something that should be addressed at that time. Remember most all the immortals play mortal characters too, so we know what it's like down there. And we're not gonna remove lash just cause there's a few people that dislike it. You build up a list of signatures of people who really want it gone and if it's a considerable number then maybe we'll change it. But don't just say lash sucks, remove it, and expect us to do something about it. Personally I think you're page is useless and promotes bad roleplaying. If you have a character that 'lives' in the mud, then placing hits on someone outside the mud is hardly decent roleplaying. That's not much better than trading equipment with some ooc friend. Make your hits in the game, trade your bard tales in the game, you should actually try to roleplay the things your trying to do with the page. Make a name for yourself in the mud and make a hitlist there, have people come up to you and tell you a name, maybe then you have someone you know that does the dirty work. But no, you have unlimited space on a porn site and want to spend more time on a web page than on the mud so you create that stuff. *mutter* *wave* See-ya -Thrym From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 02:39:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA27645 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27641 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29617 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust2.tnt14.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.163.2]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA00705 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01bdc4fb$601890e0$02a3fed0@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Well, that's kinda what I mean, I know you're not aggressive but >non-housed people >whether magic hating or not simply are rarely gonna attack arcana >members because >of their great power over them. If crusaders losing deathblow isn't >enough to >balance, weaken them a little more. And there's not many non-housed >magic lovers >that would even think of attacking a crusader. And that makes a very >close knit >war that doesn't deal with anyone else. And I just think there'd be >more action >between people with those ideals rather than just those in those houses. >-Thrym I see your point. It would be interesting to take this a step further. Perhaps ALL the houses are too powerful? Once you weaken the powers the Housed have over the unhoused, people will only seek to join them when they are really interested in the ideals of the house in a RP sense, not just cuz they want to be powerful. As it is now, most people with adequate rank who fail to get the brand or House of their choice often just delete, cuz they are at such a disadvantage. I'd be interested to know what percentage of truly active players over rank 35 are unhoused and unbranded. - malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 08:19:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03118 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03114 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA04423 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:19:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15145 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 1998 13:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980811131906.15144.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:19:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Balancing of House Powers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:19:05 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I can see what you are saying as well Thrym. I know some of the houses have more power then others right now. You are right, you don't see to many unhoused going after Crusaders or ArchMages. We are just pretty hard to be killed by an unhoused person. One because of our power, the other is we are pretty well equiped because of our powers and our house members. I too have not seen all that many unhoused eq hoarders. Yes I have come across a few, but they are much more easily killed then a housed eq hoarder. On the other side of the coin is Life. Now I can't speak for other houses, for I have not been a part of them, but Life in my opinion is not too powerful at all. I for one get attacked by a number of unhoused when I am around with Loric. Take Oksana and Malkith for example. Ex-ancients without powers now, but they still come and raid. Though I haven't seen them in a while. I have to agree that makes it more fun and interesting. Though I think again that with the degrading of Arcana's spells we would almost have to become more aggressive. Now Crusaders losing DeathBlow though, I am not so sure how many unhoused would still be able to hold up against them though. They are all very well equiped, and come on warriors with the equivilent of Sanctuary. That makes them pretty tough right there. They all have excellent weapons for any situation. Most of the best weapons in the game from what I have seen are held by crusaders. Granted they don't hold near all of them, but I would say a good majority of them. The balance is off right now, but in my opinion I feel that the time to look at changing this some is after more players are back to school. Once College starts back up the player populace will return, and then things that need to change will show up a bit more. I do feel change is needed in some manner. I have seen a number of long time players leave the game recently some I know irl are even thinking about it. And some I have met on the game already have. Now I know life goes on, and things change. I just don't want to see the game start losing players. I think this list is good, and we need to throw some more ideas out there. Thrym thanks for the comments on what I said a while back. I am currently thinking out some ideas and when I feel I have them thought out I will let the imms know and if they want I will run them by everyone on the list as well. See you in Thera Adam A. Hubbard aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 09:36:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA04571 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04567 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06012 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14558 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01bdc535$5750e5e0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:35:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I've been a way for a while and I lost some of the Legion debate messages, sorry, but I think the biggest thing everyone was asking about was this "hiding" ability Legion gets. Basically those of you who aren't in Legion don't understand it very well because, well, you just don't use it. This is not a "nothing can see them" ability as someone pointed out, and anyone without detect invis and hidden can see them. The skill is based on global looks like "where" "who" and "scan" (I think on scan, I forget). If you are in the same room with the person you can see them. This ability is not used for hiding from the public, it's for hunting rebels. When you are PKing or being hunted by someone trying to PK you, you do "whe" and "who" and the like a lot, and this gives Legion the element of surprise. Also remember it's not a perfect skill, you type "who" twice once you will see them, once you won't. The skill works more often as the percentage goes up, but not a whole lot, you may have to type "who" three times and see them 1 out of 3. So no, we didn't give Legion the ability to hide and no one could see them, any player can see them (unless it's a thief or monk who can hide, invis, or a ranger can camo, etc) then that's just the normal class stuff. If I forgot anything that was mentioned while I was away remind me. Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 09:42:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA04807 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:42:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04803 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:42:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06106 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:42:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15170 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <010301bdc536$491ec0e0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Balancing of House Powers Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:42:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Personally right now I think all the house powers are fine the way they are (Although I don't know if Saftey is called for anymore since Life is aggressive, maybe swap it for a Valor skill?). I've had several ArchMages and I've had a Crusader, and I use to think Crusader was very overpowered, but then I sat back and looked at all the things Crusaders CAN'T do, and their powers don't bother me at all. Think of it, Crusaders can't wear any magical items, including invis items. Crusaders can't ID eq, they can't heal themselves except with a Crusader skill that has a timer on it, it's not like you can run to the healer and spam heal heal seven times. No stone skin, armor, shield, fly, bless, etc. No eq that changes your body, so no flying sandals, no strange girdle, nothing that gives perm haste, etc. No gang banging unless it's someone who is Forsaken or a duel was refused when the item is taken (so they don't have powers anyway). Honestly (and no offense to the people who brought it up) this debate is old, if you honestly think there is inbalance make a Crusader --tim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 10:29:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06233 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06229 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f134.hotmail.com [207.82.251.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07123 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 301 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 1998 15:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980811152906.300.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:29:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Balancing of House Powers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:05 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay I again see where you are coming from on this Xeo, but Though they don't have those things, when their slash does unspeakable things beacuse of there deathblow, and that is through sanc. How can you last long enough as a mage one on one to have much of a chance. Yes I have one a few duels, but I got lucky that they didn't get their bandage off in time. I know it is possible, but as hard as they hit and the fact that my magic doesn't touch them, except for area spells, makes it really tough. And in the case of Wothan magic doesn't bother him much anyway. Being a dwarf and all. I just think the deathblow does a little too much is all. Maybe make it 1 1/2 times their dam roll on the hit instead of twice the dam roll. That would still give them a real hard hit but not as hard. Expecially when a bunch of them have 60+ dam rolls. Getting hit with the equivilent of a 120 dam roll doesn't give you much of a chance. This is just my opinion. I know some people agree with me and some don't. I am glad that you took the time to give your opinion though. Maybe we can talk via personal e-mail about it a bit more, since I agree this is an old subject on the list. Adam A. Hubbard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 11:22:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA07830 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07826 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:22:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08179 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:21:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24189 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <010f01bdc544$24e24ae0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Balancing of House Powers Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:21:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Yes deathblows give Crusaders an advantage over their handicaps. But like I've said, I've had 2 ArchMages, one a night walker, the other a channeler. The night walker was by far the stronger of the two (they were both draco btw) and it was pretty well known that my archmage vs a crusader was always a good matchup, and most of the time I'd win, and back then I didn't even know what the hell I was doing. There are time that he died, and died like a champ *remembering 3 rounds with Jisl and an unspeak pugil* but overall I won more than I lost. The channeler was a different story, what I lacked in power over my opponents I made up for in craft, like word of recall, sanc, fireball, cone of cold, gate, teleport, animate obj, you know what I mean. I spent more time running as a channeler but it was a tactical thing, fleeing, healing, comming back quickly. The nice thing about being an ArchMage is you can take two unspeaks and keep fighting. Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 12:17:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA14104 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:17:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14100 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:17:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09398 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P8DF2TFL; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:59 -0400 Message-ID: <35D07DED.2A8CD395@logex.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:22:53 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX, a Division of AppNet Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Nothing to do with House Powers References: <010f01bdc544$24e24ae0$060110ac@shelby.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First off Tim, "it was pretty well known that my archmage vs a crusader was always a good matchup, and most of the time I'd win, and back then I didn't even know what the hell I was doing." WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I have no clue what you are even talking about. I specifically remeber raiding your house about a dozen times with Hadeas when you were Rupprecht (Leader I will add) and not only did I beat the absolute living crap out of you [(I think you stuck around one round, maybe two if I were lucky) before and after you spell problems] but also I would take your item while you hid and I dropped it in the crusader house. Not only were you too scared to fight me. But you also begged me for your item...asking me to stop attacking you and leave you be. Pathetic. I said no, and you quit on several occasions.... ---- Hmm, and then let's go back a few months earlier when you had Radix...your "Tough" arcana nightwalker - King of the Obsidian Order...I used to toy with him too with Hashen. I really don't know where you get these fantasies from. You make yourself sound like you were in the league of Shylok and Co. ---- If you are going to argue for something at leaast try and use examples that people can understand. Don't make up stories or embellish the past. Cause I know how you play(ed) and it wasn't/isn't anything like you make it out to be. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 13:12:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18258 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18254 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10694 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01372 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:12:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bdc553$7be36720$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Nothing to do with House Powers Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:11:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Obviously you misread what I wrote. Lets see it again: The night walker was by far the stronger of the two (they were both draco btw) and it was pretty well known that my archmage vs a crusader was always a good matchup, and most of the time I'd win, and back then I didn't even know what the hell I was doing. There are time that he died, and died like a champ *remembering 3 rounds with Jisl and an unspeak pugil* but overall I won more than I lost. I never said Rupprecht was the strong one, in fact he was very weak and couldn't hold very well in a fight with 50+ dam and -300 ac, that's just a fact. Channelers don't hold up well against Crusaders. Maybe you thought I implied that and if so I'm sorry. I don't "fantasize" about any of my past characters, I know who I've killed and who has killed me, I log almost everything. I have had times where I've been just outdone and slain, and I've had times where I took two unspeaks in backstabs and still made the guy flee. How could I be that wrong? I had over 1600 hp, over 60 dam, and Xany sancing me and Awrathre's brand for haste and + damage, and like I said, I didn't know a whole lot of what I was doing then, but I came out on top a lot of the times. Hell admitting that I died with that kinda stuff is an embarrassment, but then against everyone can die, can't they *poke*. Everyone has their stories, but I'll certainly not exaggerate on mine. Remember Musashi? Did I ever play him up as a good char that killed lots of people? Hell no, he sucked. Human monk enforcers in my opinion suck, and yes I killed a lot of people as him but that's because I was an Enforcer, but I died just as much as I had killed others. I don't know what crawled up yer butt about this, but just chill out. Besides, this list isn't about who has done what and who has killed who, I was using them as examples from experience, if you feel you can do better, by all means speak up, this is a debate isn't it? Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 19:04:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA06779 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06775 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18994 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-105.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.105]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23995 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <35D0B2E3.80AAE1BB@telenet.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:08:51 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <000e01bdbfc3$d15553c0$a1a02299@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay...since most of you here care enough about the game to actually make sure your chars are active parts of the world, I figured this would be the best place to try to come up with reasonable concept about how to deal with some of what I consider to be the biggest problems in the mud right now. 1. Multi-charing, I know alot of people do it, and not in the sense of having two characters on the mud at the same time. How many times have you seen a couple of people fighting in town, and all of a sudden a huge number of reinforcements come out of nowhere for one side, in the meantime, about half of the lower ranks that were on have disappeared. I know alot of people are going to say that this happened with the old ancients, and they are right and it was idiotic then too. 2. Storage chars, how many people out there can name a large number of chars who don't really have a point in the world other than to hold onto nice equipment, and perform acts like the ones stated in the previous point. That's how they get the nice stuff, come on with 9-1 odds and loot....then wait the timer out and quit. I think these are two of the biggest problems with the mud right now, not all these accusations of power imbalances. Now for a few more ideas about how to deal with all of this in my opinion. Okay...the imm's can see sockets for log ins and such, they should watch to see what chars pull this BS and purge them right there. I know it sounds extreme, and the staff is busy with alot of other stuff...but extreme measures should get the point to these people. Another idea is to make it close to impossible for someone to have say 4 chars that are active at 1 time. To do this....put a say 10 hour min a week on each char...if they do less than this, their equipment gets purged. This will end alot of the storage characters....unless the people have a serious amount of time to put into just mudding. Anyone else who has some concepts, inlcuding perhaps an immortal opinion on if this is a serious problem as I see it would be appreciated. AC From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 19:27:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA07551 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:27:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07547 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:27:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19346 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:27:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8LLa004161 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:31 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:31 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/11/98 8:05:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pechris@telenet.net writes: << To do this....put a say 10 hour min a week on each char...if they do less than this, their equipment gets purged. This will end alot of the storage characters....unless the people have a serious amount of time to put into just mudding. >> What about people who are out of town for two weeks? Or possible are in school and cant make 10 hrs a week? Did you think about that part? Some people dont stay on all the time and play, I, for one, dont have the time, I do other things, my life is not in Darkmists all a day. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 19:58:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA08396 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:58:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08392 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:58:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19859 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (chamois.truserve.com [208.142.211.86]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13926 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:58:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808120058.TAA13926@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:58:34 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. In-Reply-To: <35D0B2E3.80AAE1BB@telenet.net> References: <000e01bdbfc3$d15553c0$a1a02299@hillpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >1. Multi-charing, I know alot of people do it, and not in the sense of >having two characters on the mud at the same time. How many times have >you seen a couple of people fighting in town, and all of a sudden a huge >number of reinforcements come out of nowhere for one side, in the >meantime, about half of the lower ranks that were on have disappeared. >I know alot of people are going to say that this happened with the old >ancients, and they are right and it was idiotic then too. This would be more of a roleplaying issue. Its not like we have mass exoduses of people and then a bunch of lowbies flooding the place, but yeah...I've seen it happened and I do punish if I do. You also have people that come on with a charecter play awhile...quit then bring on a diffrent one...with no intention of having any foreknowledge of those before. And you've also gotta keep track of who's got the good stuff and when they do combat... etc. So it's a little harder to spot then you think. >2. Storage chars, how many people out there can name a large number of >chars who don't really have a point in the world other than to hold onto >nice equipment, and perform acts like the ones stated in the previous >point. That's how they get the nice stuff, come on with 9-1 odds and >loot....then wait the timer out and quit. Yeah...storage chars are really stupid...and some people like to try to claim that those old dying heros with the hoard of equipment are "viable charecters" too. >Okay...the imm's can see sockets for log ins and such, they should watch >to see what chars pull this BS and purge them right there. I know it >sounds extreme, and the staff is busy with alot of other stuff...but >extreme measures should get the point to these people. >Another idea is to make it close to impossible for someone to have say 4 >chars that are active at 1 time. To do this....put a say 10 hour min a >week on each char...if they do less than this, their equipment gets >purged. This will end alot of the storage characters....unless the >people have a serious amount of time to put into just mudding. Sometimes I don't make it in for 10 hours in a week ;P Ok...so it's been quite a long time since I've not made it in for at least 10 hours in a week, but that's not the point...Some people don't have near as much time as some of us (I've seen some char's get 19 hours in two days, even in my prime I'd rarely accomplish anything like that). A certain amount of time...sure..but sometimes you have an unexpected bad week... You know what pisses me off? I get these people down to punish them, they either confess or that it's so obvious that they did wrong....then they get punished. They then complain about getting punished, getting punished because they normally don't get caught, start blaming it on the unfairness and go on and on and on and on about how biased this is and that its a personal attack...etc etc etc. I had one guy accuse Another immortal of having a personal bias againts their char's and then when I told them I did the punishing that they speak of, they changed it all around to accuse me of having a personal bias. I've had people put up an excuse that they attacked and killed my mortal (hadn't even been on that day, nor was he in my mort(s)'s range) and that's why they were being punished. Why can't people just admit that they screwed up, get the punishment, and get on with thier life? There are some...where you pull 'em down they you bring up the charges...and they apoligize and ask what punishment they will take (usually any and all) and I've even had people come up and confess thier crimes (when nobody knew about it). I still love the statement, "Everybody else cheats, I've got to, to keep up." Adorno From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 22:00:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10432 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:00:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10428 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f52.hotmail.com [207.82.250.63]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21647 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:00:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 8921 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 03:00:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812030001.8920.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.170.88.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:00:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.170.88.5] From: "mike johnson" To: Darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Thoughts Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:00:01 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First off, on this usless horading person thing, I have to agree I'm not gonna say any names because I don't wanna have people yell at me for saying this. But I know of serveral people, who got a certain really nice item, and I never see them around anymore. I think that if you don't hardly ever play, or play for 20 mins a month every month. You should get purged. I also think that enforcer won't be looking better for a while. I mean, who wants to mess with outlaw's offer. You get all this nice gear and spend tons of time getting it, just so someone can come up and offer all your stuff away. I think that skill is kinda nuts. I would like to see the old old ancients come back, the ones who faught life and were always cloaked, instead of this insane kill all the house thing. On one last note.. I would think it would improve dm greatly if we made it so the 'good' items like strange girdle didn't crumble every 30 mins. The only reason people were too powerful is because they knew what they were doing ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 11 22:38:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10828 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:38:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10824 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (jwa@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22111 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jwa@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id UAA20297; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Abraham Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thoughts To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <19980812030001.8920.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, mike johnson wrote: > First off, on this usless horading person thing, I have to agree > I'm not gonna say any names because I don't wanna have people yell > at me for saying this. But I know of serveral people, who > got a certain really nice item, and I never see them around anymore. > I think that if you don't hardly ever play, or play for 20 mins a > month every month. You should get purged. I also think that > enforcer won't be looking better for a while. I mean, who wants > to mess with outlaw's offer. You get all this nice gear and spend > tons of time getting it, just so someone can come up and offer all > your stuff away. I think that skill is kinda nuts. I would like to > see the old old ancients come back, the ones who faught life and > were always cloaked, instead of this insane kill all the house thing. > On one last note.. I would think it would improve dm greatly if > we made it so the 'good' items like strange girdle didn't crumble > every 30 mins. The only reason people were too powerful is because they > knew what they were doing > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > well said, and i agree with it all. I played Ander (former enforcer) and i will not make another enforcer again so long as outlaw has that offer skill. That thing is insanely powerful, if someone is to obtain the good items i think they should have to be cunning enough and skilled enough to kill the other. Also if someone is skilled enough to kill someone with the god items then they deserve to have them, not have them crumble after an hour or two. Some of these god items (with the 2-3 hour timers) are so difficult to get that it will take you as long or longer to obtain than you get to have them, one being the pharoah's mask. I whole heartedly agree that storage characters should be purged, but i have also heard that it is a very difficult thing to implement. Oh well, my 2 cents.. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 07:19:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA17700 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:19:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA17696 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28427 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA34476; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:16:06 +0300 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:16:05 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] My comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well, lemme start with Crusader thiny. They can wear magical items, by removing the magic on it, I dont know what affect taht gives, but prolly it'd remove the enchant on a weapon if it's a weapon, me thinks. Also for heals, frankly, if someone attacks me, I just run, instead of directly going to a healer. While you spam those 'heal heal's, you might well be killed easily, so for a Crusader thinking same as me, not using heals is not a disadvantage(recall to your house and sleep on those beds is a better choice). Nothing to do for other spells, but hey, you are a crusader, generally people run away from you :) *remembering anni's thru sanc on my 800 hp'ed cleric:( * About char things, well, think of someone who has like 10 chars (like me:P) and dont mud everyday. How can he play all of 'em 10 hours a week? This is insane. One other point about eq hoarding, most of the people (nearly everybody) love to get better eq. So why are you bashing pple who are looting, killing for eq (of course that is a good reason for most of the time) if their align and ethos makes it possible? I guess a pretty good portion of players are chaotic mostly (other than those who want to go for Enforcers), and they generally hide behind that to reason their acts. Well, I've seen a lot of LAWFUL people looting/killing in towns. At least confess that you want those chars deleted for yourself to get better eq ;) (gawd, thinking of replies for this) Er, for Legions ability to "hide" themselves, yes, it is powerful. All of the people rely on 'where' command when going for pk, or checking the area for possible pkers. That skill is just insane. (leaving just summon or gate to rely on in a gang bang). Also, modifying Enforcer's Laws to keel rebels is the most sucking thing. Why should Enforcer accept such a tyranny like Legion?? I'm still not satisfied about the answers for my question in my previous mail.. Well, these are just my thoughts, feel free to bash me, I can just respond after I'm back from vacation :) -Have a nice day ---- Mehmet Yasin Ulkebay ---- / / /' .,,,, ./ /';' ,/ / / ,,//,`'` ( ,, '_, ,,,' `` | /@ ,,, ;" ` / . ,''/' `,`` / . ./, `,, ` ; ,./ . ,-,',` ,,/''\,' | /; ./,,'`,,'' | | | / ',' / | \___/' ' | | `,,' | / `\ / | ~\ ' ( : ; . \-- From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 08:17:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA18958 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:17:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18954 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:17:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA29292 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21781 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 13:16:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812131643.21780.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:16:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] My comments Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:16:41 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu About the killing and looting. I don't think the point was so much that they were diong it, but how they were doing it. As was said I have also seen many low level chars on then when a fight starts and they know they can jump in, they log off and come back on with their old hero. They help on the kill, loot, then they go sit in their guild, or some of them even go somewhere noone will see them and drop link. No I seriously doubt that you can find a justification for that. Now if they show up kill the person and stay around a while, heck I don't have a problem with that. But the people that only play their char when they know they can up their eq is pointless. What are they getting out of having that eq anyway. NOTHING!!!!! they aren't playing the char much at all. If you are that worried about losing your precious equipment do like I have done on a number of occasions with Loric. Get yourself a weapon and some very plain eq and go nail people. I for one think that ia much more fun. Hech when I am clothed people are after me as well, but when I am naked that for some reason scared a lot more people. Okay so it's a thief that can bj steal your stuff and give it all away then backstab you to death. Who cares about eq just have some fun!!!!!! Heck why not for a day give everyone a weapon of the same strength and let's see you is real cunning and survives that day. heh..... Well that might be going to far, but would be fun. I do think something needs to be done about the players that only show up when they can get good eq though. Later all. Adam A. Hubbard aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 09:03:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19912 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:03:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19900 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:03:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00231 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:03:23 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ZBTa27848 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c2fc96e.35d1a07f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:38 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think that a 10 hour a week limit would cut out to many people who just can't make it for that much time, but maybe something like 8 hours a week with exeptions for vacations could be implied for leaders if they don't want to loose thier position. It seems to me the leaders of the houses are the hardest people to ever find, and this can be hatrd for applicants who give up hope after waiting two weeks and not seeing them. Its also annoying to be in a house wondering where your leader is when you have a question for them or could just use their help, its bad for house moral. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 09:57:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA21977 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21969 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:57:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.hotmail.com [207.82.250.192]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA01451 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:57:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3504 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 14:57:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812145715.3503.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:57:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] More comments Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:57:15 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Not long ago a friend of mine who is also on this list mentioned something that I thought was a very good idea. He said that he didn't think that your character shouldn't be able to use the type of weapon that you are suceptible to. Such as an etheral using a shocking bite weapon. Or a Draco using a freezing bite weapon and so on. A good deal of the classes are suceptible to something. And how is it that they can hold a weapon that would hurt them pretty bad? Just a thought. What does everyone else think about this? Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 09:59:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22217 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22205 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:59:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f163.hotmail.com [207.82.251.49]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA01478 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:59:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17710 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 14:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812145835.17709.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:58:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Typo Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:58:35 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu It seems I had a bit of a typo in the beginning there I should have read that your charceter should not be able to use the weapon that they are suceptible. It was worded a bit wrong there. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 10:05:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA22611 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22607 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01647 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id KAA27652 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Jones X-Sender: kevinj@earth To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments In-Reply-To: <19980812145715.3503.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey that's a great idea i.e. races not being able to use weapons that they are suceptible to. Kevin "I've been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened." (Mark Twain) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 11:27:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26126 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26122 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03749 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28302 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bdc60d$e6c6baa0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:26:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Is it not human nature to toy with things that are dangerous to us? When we were kids did we not try and touch the stove when it was glowing red hot? Would a mistling not want to use the weapon so harsh to it's own kind against others, thinking it may have the same affect? Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 11:47:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26440 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:47:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26436 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:47:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04273 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listcuser126.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0ILWROEB4FI6QA8@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:47:05 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:46:02 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35D1C6CA.BBC03FAB@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <002601bdc60d$e6c6baa0$060110ac@shelby.net> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu When we do play with the stove we get burned... then we don't play with it anymore. =) I think that was the idea, hence perhaps a zapping effect. jim Tim Whitaker wrote: > > Is it not human nature to toy with things that are dangerous to > us? When we were kids did we not try and touch the stove > when it was glowing red hot? > Would a mistling not want to use the weapon so harsh to it's > own kind against others, thinking it may have the same affect? > > Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:13:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27636 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27617 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:13:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f114.hotmail.com [207.82.251.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:13:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 6002 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 17:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812171238.6001.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:12:38 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu That is exactly what I was thinking Jim. Why would we even want to have something that can harm us to a great extent that close to our body. This is how I feel. I just would like to see how the majority of the players and imm's feel on this. It would bring about some changes, not matter what the extent. People seem to be looking for new interesting twists. I feel this could be one of those. Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:16:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27879 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27875 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:16:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04961 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-039.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0IMXUBQBGFI6NOE@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:16:05 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:40 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35D1A9A4.E08C6327@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <7c2fc96e.35d1a07f@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu 10 Hours a week, that's for people who seriously spend a considerable amount of time mudding. I log about 10 hours a week only because it's the summer season, no school, more time. However, I like the concept, why not make it 5? 1 char, 5 hours a week minumum. 2 char, 10. I like it... I have three. Poor souls who happen to have ten (wonder how well they can play 10) have to log onto 100 hours... that leaves about little time to do much else. I think perhaps we should have a 5 hour limit and if not met, results in not purging the char but purging his equipment. Most people who don't log on tend to care more for their equipment in doing so. So... don't log on for 5 hours, result in being utterly naked. Then use the old rules of purging unused characters, I think that's a fair way to solve the situation. A certain someone wanted me to comment on Valor and Legion, since I comment on virtually everything else, and here I shall. About the lurk, I don't like it but I live with it, sometimes people moan about abilities they honestly find unfair but sometimes it's because they simply don't like it. I simply don't like it, fair, unfair? I don't know, it's an interesting ability and for people who don't have a habit of relying on scanning (like me until it appeared) it gets a little annoying. Scan itself is a little confusing once 1 west, 2 west flies by it takes a while to process and by then they are gone, or you are back at your temple alter. =) I think Legion's powers are a lot stronger than Valors. I don't like the capture ability, and while it fits rp-wise, how the hell am I supposed to fight the entire Legion army if they decide to pack themselves in that one little cell? Jack me and capture me, that results in a quick painful death I can't get out of. Reminds me of the mayor's office in midgaard. (i know i should've looked into it, but i can't word so i never tried wording out of the cell, thought i know you can word/teleport out of the old office =) Cirdan said it was because Valor has better players. I don't see many of these players and I'm quickly getting disenchanted by Valor, I may be at fault for this but that's jsut my feelings on the situation. Valor's abilities are nice but against a House designed for ruling and conquering, it doesn't really match up. And as for better players, Gwydion got ganged and a lot of other players got ganged. Better or not, numbers sure make a helluva difference. Anyway, I'm sure that was more than you needed to know about what I thought of the Valor and Legion thing, and it's not even under the right subject, but I'm sure you'll all live. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:25:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28714 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:25:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28710 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:24:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05194 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:24:56 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XOJa03887 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13881340.35d1cf96@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:33 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerbilities Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I play a dwarf for the most part, and it doesn't make much sense for her to be able to hold on to a water whip when it should hurt her just to touch it. When you try to wear a weapon that you are vulnerable it should sting a little, like "the water from the water whip mauls you and you drop it" or something of the sort, different for each race. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:31:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA29786 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29782 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05356 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (listc03-039.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01J0INGV2K4UFI6NOE@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:31:25 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:30:26 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerbilities To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35D1D132.D2C2D9ED@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <13881340.35d1cf96@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Upon reflection.... elves are vulnerable to a whole lot of different things if I recall. It might unbalance certain things. Anyone reacll the current vulnerabilities of elves? jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:33:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA29977 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29973 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f150.hotmail.com [207.82.251.29]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05386 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14068 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 17:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812173317.14067.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:16 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu That is exactly what I was thinking Jim. Why would we even want to have something that can harm us to a great extent that close to our body. This is how I feel. I just would like to see how the majority of the players and imm's feel on this. It would bring about some changes, not matter what the extent. People seem to be looking for new interesting twists. I feel this could be one of those. Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 12:49:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA01041 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01037 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.hotmail.com [207.82.251.15]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05745 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24545 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 17:48:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812174849.24544.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerbilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:49 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu So everyone knows what I was thinking, here is the list of things.... Ethereal flaming bite and shocking bite weapons Dwarf Water weapons Troll Acid and flaming bite weapons all elves Iron weapons Illithids Lightning attack and flaming bite weapons Draconians Freezing Bite weapons Now I know still that some things are hit harder by some things than other things. But the main vulnerabilities are these. Let me know if I left anything out. Now I not only am thinking of this to hurt others. This means that Loric my thief won't be able to use his blood encrusted iron nail if it goes through, but oh well I'll find another weapon. I am affected by this as well, and I think it will make things have to be roleplayed even another step with this. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 13:33:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA02195 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:33:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02191 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:33:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f246.hotmail.com [207.82.251.137]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06881 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14666 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 18:32:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812183216.14665.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.164.243.192 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:32:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.164.243.192] From: "Tom Forester" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerabilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:32:15 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The whole idea of not being able to equip weapons you are vulnerable to completly stinks. Ethereals were weakened quite a bit by the added fire weakness a while back, now you want them unable to use shocking and flaming weapons? Do that and 60% of the good weapons in the game cant be used by them. As for elf (grey and dark included) weaknesses right now i'm not sure if it's weapons made of iron material, or just all piercing weapons (pierce, thrust, stab, and peck attacks) since I find that all piercing attacks do insane damage do my drow, maybe it's just a coincidence that they were all made of iron or something *shrug*. Identify should reveal the material an item is made of, imho. Crumbling eq was bad enough, if you start restricting what weapons each race can use, you're going to see the player base plummet hard and fast, and nobody will play ethereals or trolls anymore, it'll be all changelings and giants. Also, while on the topic of weapons, there is an extreme lack of polearms in the game. Off the top of my head I can name only two, a silver plated halberd (unlimited, avg 21) and the Maenad's Lance (avg 30, good only, limited to 2) and really, this is not enough. The polearm skill is next to worthless. I'd love to see polearms in greater abundance, and perhaps the charge and charge set skills added like on CF. Charge is -mean- if you have a decent polearm. Oh, something else I've been thinking about for a while, why not give warriors a chance to hit a fatal strike with lunge, after all, almost every other class has an instant kill. Call it "deathstrike" or something like that, when mastered it has maybe a 1 in 20 chance (or lower) of instantly killing on a lunge by striking through the heart or some other vital organ. It'd be something to somewhat counter the disint/flee or pwk/flee, if they fail their death spells lunge em for a nice surprise *grin* Later ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 14:55:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04087 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04083 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f217.hotmail.com [207.82.251.108]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA09071 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17405 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 19:55:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812195501.17403.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:54:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerabilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:59 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay, first off, About the instant kill with lunge. I don't think that would be quite fair. Since lunge can be used over and over while in battle. However to disin you have to flee out and come back. I for one am against instant death kills all together. I prefer the long drawn out fights that make you use your wit to survive. Anyone can go in and try to kill you with one shot, but not everyone can go after someone and kill them without that. That is how I feel I know other feel different about that since it has been talked about in the past. About the vulnerabilities...The point I am trying to make is to make things a bit harder. When I get an ave 30 weapon with my rank 18 guy it's to easy to get. Now If I hadn't been able to use that weapon since my guy was an ethereal now that makes things a bit harder. Just because a lot of things are flaming bite or shocking bite doesn't mean you can't find something out there to use that is just as good. They are out there and you can get them. Yes elves are vulnerable to pierce attacks, but their main vulnerability is iron weapons. That is why I placed iron next to them. I am just throwing ideas out trying to get some new things going. So far I have had a few people back me and one not. I would like to hear from everyone on the list if I could, whether you like dislike or don't care....Just would like some feedback. Again I have more than one char that would be affected by this right away. I have an elf that wouldn't be able to use his dagger. I also have other chars that will remain nameless. One such char is an ethereal. I have played a number of the mentioned races and still feel this way. Later all Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 15:03:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04564 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:03:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04560 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:03:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f152.hotmail.com [207.82.251.31]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA09274 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15362 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 20:02:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812200224.15361.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:02:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.141] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Balancing of House Powers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:02:24 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Deathblow works as per the following.. it does not double the dam roll of its user. It multiplies the total damage of the attack by a factor of a random number between 2 and the persons level divided by 10. So between 2 and 5 for heros. It does not work together with palm either.. they can only work seperately. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 15:07:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04755 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:07:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04751 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f215.hotmail.com [207.82.251.106]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA09405 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:07:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12861 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 20:07:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812200720.12860.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:07:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.141] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:07:19 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu a ten hour per week min, are you nuts? Maybe you have time to mud your life away, but I might play five or six hours a week... and thats if I don't have something like WORK to do.. if you do this the mud will collapse, lose all its players, and die. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 15:15:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05035 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05031 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f209.hotmail.com [207.82.251.100]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA09597 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:15:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25383 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 20:14:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812201432.25382.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:14:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.141] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] More comments Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:14:32 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Obviously the weapon is not harmful to its user or it would burn/freeze/etc anyone who normally used it. Just because a sword is flaming doesn't mean the hilt is too. Xialinin >Not long ago a friend of mine who is also on this list mentioned >something that I thought was a very good idea. He said that he didn't >think that your character shouldn't be able to use the type of weapon >that you are suceptible to. Such as an etheral using a shocking bite >weapon. Or a Draco using a freezing bite weapon and so on. A good deal >of the classes are suceptible to something. And how is it that they can >hold a weapon that would hurt them pretty bad? Just a thought. What >does everyone else think about this? > >Adam >aka Loric > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 15:20:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05237 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05233 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f50.hotmail.com [207.82.250.61]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA09715 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12983 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 20:19:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980812201940.12982.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:19:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.141] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerbilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:19:39 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'd like to make a point here. Why is it that a dwarf is vulnerable to water? Doesn't this make anyone else a little wary. Dwarves for the most part suck as a race. Giants and Centaurs get mental as a vulnerability (or non vulnerability) which means basically that they are vulnerable to spiritblade and psi blast. Whereas dwarves get a nasty vuln like water, one where anyone can walk up and get a water dagger and bs them. I think dwarves ought to have it removed as a vuln... or giants and centaurs ought to get a real vuln like trolls do. Trolls get dicked so bad compared to giants and centaurs because they have two bad vulns and the only thing different from a giant is the regen they get, which is a far cry from balancing the vulns they get. just my 2 cents. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 10:25:50 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28748; > Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:25:04 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:25:01 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28714 > for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:25:00 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28710 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:24:58 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05194 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:24:56 -0500 (CDT) >From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com >Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com > by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XOJa03887 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <13881340.35d1cf96@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:33 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerbilities >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > > I play a dwarf for the most part, and it doesn't make much sense for her to >be able to hold on to a water whip when it should hurt her just to touch it. >When you try to wear a weapon that you are vulnerable it should sting a >little, like "the water from the water whip mauls you and you drop it" or >something of the sort, different for each race. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 20:12:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA07928 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:12:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07924 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15670 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:12:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8GHWa04229 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:03 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ac593e6.35d23d64@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:03 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Personally, i think even the 5 hours a week thing is a bit too much. When school starts back up, theres probrobly going to be weeks that I wont be able to play DM, so that purges all my characters equipment? No way. This summer i was away for a total of 4 weeks, if this had been implemented then, poof. And in the futures to come i will be gone for weeks at a time, as will other people i presume. I think some other ideas need to come up on this subject. About the Legion\Valor thing- yes, i agree Legion is a bit more powerfull at the moment, but that just means Valors needs more people, and need to be more cunning than Legion. I beleive that cirdan(?) made the houses in replica of "star wars" where the rebels waged a war against the empire. Were the rebels not outgunned and outmanned? But sheer tactics and luck (aka the Force) won the war. Valor- possibly plan strikes against the Palace of Dominance, inform all the members. Coordinate the attacks, if one person is on and attacks it will not work. On a different note, I was wondering if evils could join Valor? I have a evil necro who "dislikes" legion and was wondering if she could join Valor. I heard that only goodies could join, but maybe it could change. . . In the shape its in, I think Valor could need the help. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 20:19:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA08648 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08644 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15777 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8BIQa12042 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:18:17 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <65b474d.35d23eda@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:18:17 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerabilities Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 8/12/98 3:56:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hubb97@hotmail.com writes: << Since lunge can be used over and over while in battle >> Can cleave be used by AP's more than once in battle? I agree, alot of the other classes have first turn kill things and maybe warriors should too. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 21:39:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA10783 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA10779 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f44.hotmail.com [207.82.250.55]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA17066 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28995 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1998 02:38:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980813023845.28994.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:38:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Storage characters and a concept to deal with it. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:44 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sure, I probably have close to the record for time in one week.. over 125 hours in one week.. (did for three weeks in a row) (all on one character).. can anyone guess who that was? hehe but there are times I get only ten minutes/week, if anything at all.. there have been times i don't play for a month, or three weeks/etc what I do see as fair, is an hour in a month.. as it is, all you have to do is log on and log off once a month and you dont get deleted.. (if I'm wrong, please correct me) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 03:48:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA16371 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA16367 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:48:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.hotmail.com [207.82.251.26]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA21905 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:48:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 562 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1998 08:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19980813084809.561.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:48:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.133] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerabilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:48:08 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I dislike the fact that every class seems to have an instant kill. The power to kill without (player) skill should be reserved for only the very devious classes, such as necromancers, and the masters of combat, such as monks or warriors. I dislike the fact that ap's have cleave, but warriors do not. Doesn't this seem to say that ap's are better warriors than are warriors. I would think that an ap would ne'er get any skill that related to combat that a warrior would not get, since he takes time OUT of his warrio training to learn magic. >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 18:20:12 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA08682; > Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:20:01 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:58 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA08648 > for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:57 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08644 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:55 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15777 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:53 -0500 (CDT) >From: Bond0078@aol.com >Received: from Bond0078@aol.com > by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8BIQa12042 > for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:18:17 +2000 (EDT) >Message-ID: <65b474d.35d23eda@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:18:17 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] weapon vulnerabilities >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 8/12/98 3:56:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hubb97@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Since lunge can be used over and over while in > battle >> > >Can cleave be used by AP's more than once in battle? I agree, alot of the >other classes have first turn kill things and maybe warriors should too. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 09:30:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23509 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23505 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26567 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust100.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.100]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA12097 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701bdc6c7$267909a0$649e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Character timeouts...the RP angle Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:31:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree that some kinda of purge-timeouts should be in effect. Some kind of reasonable limit. To me, its not so much about the EQ, its about the roleplay. Part of the roleplay is getting to know people in your range as you gain ranks. You have a 'cast' of comrades/opponents which makes it a bit more realistic. How the hell can someone really roleplay if they have 10 characters? Two sure. Three, perhaps. More than that? Forget it. You should get a character you like and develop it, sticking with it through thick and thin, or deleting it if you get tired of it. This is especially true if your character is well known and conspicuous. Hashkar is a good example. Those that have real, special situations which prevent them from being on this should need to send a note to the IMMs so arrangements can be made. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 09:47:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA24789 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24785 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26963 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:47:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust100.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.100]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA19223 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e01bdc6c9$81b39cc0$649e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] race vulnerabilities Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You know, I had noticed that pierce vulnerability for Drow, but I never realized it was somehow coded til someone mentioned it here. And yes, if elves/drow/grey are vulnerable to iron, there should definitely be some way to tell which weapons are made out of it. While we're at it, can we discuss some of the other race characteristics further? For humans, what the hell does "Magical devices tend to benefit them greatly" mean? Giants...."they are not good swimmers and cannot breathe under water easily." Does this have any affect? I don't see a vulnerablity to water weapons...does movement on water cost them more? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 09:56:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25122 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25107 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f123.hotmail.com [207.82.251.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA27165 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:56:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12545 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1998 14:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19980813145522.12544.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:55:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Character timeouts...the RP angle Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:55:21 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I would have to agree that something needs to be done as well. As most of you know I play Loric. I have a lot of friends and a LOT of enemies. I have seen many die since I have heroed as in delete, and i have also seen many new ones come into my range. Also many of you know that I also played Throm. It was tough, but not to tough to have to high ranking housed chars. Granted I ran into Loric being friends with a crusader, and Throm of course being against them, but that makes for some good rp'ing if you do it right. Many of you also know that Throm is no more. I didn't have the time to devote to him anymore. When you aren't around much then all of the sudden you return and you don't recognize members of your own house, don't recognize anyone in your range....Now that just shouldn't be happening, but I know it has. I can think of at least one member in each house that is very rarely on, and most of them are high ranking well equiped chars, that might even be in a leadership role. If nothing is changed about all players I think that at least a change in the rules for the leaders should be talked about. I like most of the leaders a lot, but if you can't be around to fulfill your duty, then let someone else take over. That is just how I feel, and again I am sure others feel different than I do. Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 10:07:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA25981 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25977 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27414 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust100.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.100]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27754 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002501bdc6cc$4fcffa20$649e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Character timeouts...the RP angle Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Adam Hubbard To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Character timeouts...the RP angle >I can think of at least one member in each house that is very rarely on, >and most of them are high ranking well equiped chars, that might even be >in a leadership role. If nothing is changed about all players I think >that at least a change in the rules for the leaders should be talked >about. I like most of the leaders a lot, but if you can't be around to >fulfill your duty, then let someone else take over I definitely agree. And I also just HATE when I induct someone and then the guy is never seen again. - malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 13 22:40:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18290 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18286 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:40:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f205.hotmail.com [207.82.251.96]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA12177 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:40:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21076 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 1998 03:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980814033931.21075.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.164.243.115 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.164.243.115] From: "Tom Forester" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] racial vulnerabilities Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:31 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Forget who wanted to know them, here they are. First to clear something up. I've talked a lot of trash with people, mostly involving hypothetical situations if our chars were to fight and who would win and why. For example, this one guy thought he could really mess up an ethereal of mine because he had a hell-forged scimitar, which has a flaming weapon flag. I dont know how many people think it's the weapon flag that matters, but i'm just going to point out that it's the damage noun and not the weapon flags that make a weapon electrical/flaming etc. In the case of the hell-forged, flaming is it's weapon flag (meaning it can blind with smoke and torch inventory items) but the damage noun is wrath, therefore it would be more effective on a giant or a centaur, not a being with a fire weakness. With that aside, here they are. Giants/Centaurs: Mental, spiritblade and psionic blast hit for mental damage, as does the "blast" and "wrath" damage nouns. Note: by wrath I do not mean the paladin's spell or the nightwalkers unholy version, but the attack certain weapons have like the hell-forged or wrath of the founder for example. Giants are strong to weapon, anything like crush slash pierce grep etc etc, too many to name. Centaurs resist blunt attacks, such as "crush" "pound" "smash" "bashing" "beating" Draconians: Cold. Spells like chill touch, icelance, frostbolt, cone of cold, frost breath and iceball, as well as the "freezing bite" damage noun. They are immune to poison and resistant to disease, as far as I know only the plague spell counts as disease and gas breath counts as poison damage. They resist slashing attacks "slice" "slash" "cleave" "chop" etc Trolls: Fire and Acid. Whole lot of fire spells, the only acid spells that come to mind however are acid blast (necro specialty) and acid breath. Weapons that hit for "acidic bite" "flaming bite" "flame" will rock them. They resist all conventional weapons though. Elves: This includes grey and dark elves. Iron and Piercing attacks hurt them, as of yet there isn't a way to know what material an item is made of, but just assume if a weapon is described as iron (like the blood encrusted iron nail) assume it will hurt them. Piercing attacks include "pierce" "thrust" "peck" and "stab" and lunge -might- be considered piercing as well, haven't looked into it. Elves resist fire, drow resist cold, and not sure if Grey resist anything. All elves are resistant to charm and sleep spells (beguiling). Ethereals: Fire and Electricity. Lots of fire stuff out there, be careful. Lots of shocking stuff too, lightning bolt, chain lightning, call lightning, shocking grasp, etc. and "shocking bite" "shock" attacks. Immune to poison and disease, resistant to mental and conventional weapons. Illithids: Fire and Light. See troll for a short list of fire attacks. As far as I know, only "blast of light" damage noun and the sunbolt spell (life power) do light damage but there could be more. They resist magic in general and mental. Humans: None. Changelings: A big group, they're quick little bastards. Dwarves: Drowning. So far as I know, the only spell that does drowning damage is tsunami. "Deluge" damage noun is drowning also. They resist poison and magic, possibly resistant to disease too, not sure. Gnomes: Blunt. See centaur for a list of blunt attacks. Obviously, the pugil, bash, and crush skills hit for blunt damage as well. I think they have the same resistances as dwarves, but I'm not sure since I've never played one. Hope that helps. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 14 02:26:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA24020 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:26:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24016 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:26:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from necs03.dne.bnl.gov (necs03.dne.bnl.gov [130.199.114.126]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA14889 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:26:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from listcuser136.li.net by necs03.dne.bnl.gov (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09666; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 03:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <35D3E63F.1A0DF0C3@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 03:24:47 -0400 From: Jim Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards References: <19980814033931.21075.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Why are they always good aligned? I think they should match the alignment of the enforcer, don't you think? Just a tossed up question. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 14 07:40:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA28591 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28587 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18625 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:40:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust103.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.103]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA03067 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 05:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000b01bdc780$fdf86e20$679e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think that Lawful Neutral would make the most sense. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Wang To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 3:26 AM Subject: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards >Why are they always good aligned? I think they should match the >alignment of the enforcer, don't you think? Just a tossed up question. > >jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 14 08:08:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA29975 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:08:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29971 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA19037 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:08:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4961 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 1998 13:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980814130814.4960.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:08:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:08:13 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I would agree with you there. Lawful Neutral would make a lot of sense. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 14 17:44:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22651 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:44:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22647 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA03306 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:44:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3056 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 1998 22:43:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980814224345.3055.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:43:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:43:44 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu If I'm correct, (tell me if I'm not) from using the spell know alignment, I've found that all good mobs are lawful, neutral are neutral, evil are chaotic, that might just be the spell know alignment, or that might be how its coded.. (hmm.. what about the bouncer and protector of law, both neutral neutral?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 15 03:06:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00582 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:06:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00578 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f207.hotmail.com [207.82.251.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA10843 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:06:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1995 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 1998 08:06:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980815080611.1994.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.207.160.102 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:06:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.207.160.102] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:06:10 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think it ought to have to do with the town you are in. If you call guards in Shqeston they should be evil.. ofcol good, glyndane neutral, nt neutral, arkham evil.. etc. I don't think you should be able to call guards outside protected areas. Only prtected areas would have guards handy, wouldn't you say? Xialinin Zo'xzin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 15 03:13:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00789 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00785 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10892 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8GXEa20769 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b96ac5f.35d54312@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:13:04 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-15 04:06:55 EDT, you write: << arkham evil.. etc. I don't think you should be able to call guards outside protected areas. >> Just a quick info bite... Arkham isnt protected. Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 16 00:18:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA13427 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:18:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13423 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:18:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f93.hotmail.com [207.82.250.199]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA22259 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:18:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12506 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 1998 05:18:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980816051800.12505.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.206.52.223 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:17:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.206.52.223] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:17:59 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu My mistake. I have to ask the question though.. why isn't it protected? And why are all the guards good, but the town is for evil characters only. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Aug 15 01:14:05 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA00823; > Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:14:03 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:14:00 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00789 > for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:59 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00785 > for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:57 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10892 > for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:13:56 -0500 (CDT) >From: Mindbnder5@aol.com >Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com > by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8GXEa20769 > for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:13:04 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <1b96ac5f.35d54312@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:13:04 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 98-08-15 04:06:55 EDT, you write: > ><< arkham evil.. etc. I don't think you should be able to call > guards outside protected areas. >> > > >Just a quick info bite... Arkham isnt protected. >Corey > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 16 11:53:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA19262 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:53:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19258 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f144.hotmail.com [207.82.251.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA27546 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11585 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 1998 16:53:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980816165324.11584.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:53:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:53:24 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I want to make a point about the recent changes made to weaken the giants trolls and centaur abilities' at casting spells. Now then, if these changes affected any person, not just giants trolls and centaurs, with a low wisdom and or intelligence, then I would have no problem. But it seems instead that the giants trolls and centaurs are being targeted and their spells, instead of lowering just damage are being treated as if they are lower level. A person that masters a spell should have the same affect regardless of race or class.. spells should act the same based on your individual skill. Lower int and wis are accounted for in the learning and improvement process... they should not be counted in again against someone. Now then .. you Immortals say you started the Mud and you'll steer it, but you are steering it right into the ground. If you ask me, people are gonna keep making the switch from DM to other muds in light of the fact that decisions are constantly made without consideration for proper logic and balance. You make one mistake and cover it up with another equally devastating mistake. I have stopped looking to be polite here, it is obvious to me that regardless of tone, manner, or word choice, the suggestions made contrary to Immortal decision are most likely to be shrugged off as whining, rather than contemplated and thought over. I do not wish to move to another mud, .. I really want to improve the one we have, but it seems as if the Immortals have copped an attitude of superiority and egotism that detracts from the Mud in a very real way. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 16 14:12:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21291 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21287 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:12:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28841 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:12:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05058 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdc949$b5ef5b00$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:11:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This change was debated and test out. What you think of "if you have mastered a spell then it should be as good as anyone else's" is just your opinion. Maybe you look at INT and WIS differently than the rest of us do, but it basically separates those who are smart from those who are dumb. Stats on our "heavy hitter dumb" races reflect high str, low int and dex. So you would have these races handle spells just as well as an elf or an illithid with 24+ int, but wield heavy weapons and hit harder also. There is some serious unbalance there. As for the giants that are "screwed" they still have their strength, enhanced damage, bash, resistance to weapons, etc. I'm not going to comment on the rest of your note. Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Xialinin Zo'xzin To: Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 12:54 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al >I want to make a point about the recent changes made to weaken the >giants trolls and centaur abilities' at casting spells. Now then, if >these changes affected any person, not just giants trolls and centaurs, >with a low wisdom and or intelligence, then I would have no problem. But >it seems instead that the giants trolls and centaurs are being targeted >and their spells, instead of lowering just damage are being treated as >if they are lower level. A person that masters a spell should have the >same affect regardless of race or class.. spells should act the same >based on your individual skill. Lower int and wis are accounted for in >the learning and improvement process... they should not be counted in >again against someone. > >Now then .. you Immortals say you started the Mud and you'll steer it, >but you are steering it right into the ground. If you ask me, people >are gonna keep making the switch from DM to other muds in light of the >fact that decisions are constantly made without consideration for proper >logic and balance. You make one mistake and cover it up with another >equally devastating mistake. I have stopped looking to be polite here, >it is obvious to me that regardless of tone, manner, or word choice, the >suggestions made contrary to Immortal decision are most likely to be >shrugged off as whining, rather than contemplated and thought over. I do >not wish to move to another mud, .. I really want to improve the one we >have, but it seems as if the Immortals have copped an attitude of >superiority and egotism that detracts from the Mud in a very real way. > >Xialinin > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 16 16:50:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22559 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:50:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22555 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:50:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00307 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:50:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust129.tnt2.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.160.129]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27750 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01bdc960$32d67200$81a02299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Now then .. you Immortals say you started the Mud and you'll steer it, >but you are steering it right into the ground. If you ask me, people >are gonna keep making the switch from DM to other muds in light of the >fact that decisions are constantly made without consideration for proper >logic and balance. You make one mistake and cover it up with another >equally devastating mistake. I have stopped looking to be polite here, >it is obvious to me that regardless of tone, manner, or word choice, the >suggestions made contrary to Immortal decision are most likely to be >shrugged off as whining, rather than contemplated and thought over You seem to be a pretty tense guy. You say your going to give up being polite, but do you think that being insulting will be any more helpful? I'm fairly certain that little you say will be considered when you use that kind of tone. Even if you are 100% against some decission, civilly explaining the reason why you dissagree MAY get your ideas heard, and perhaps even seconded by others in the list. I have even agreed with the ideas behind some of your suggestions, but I refrain from posting agreement becasue of the insulting comments you attach to them. You are working against yourself, and ruining the chances of your suggestions being considered. On a side note, I've noticed that the IMMs tend to comment only when they disagree with the ideas here. It would be nice if you could post when you thought an idea was good as well, even if you dont think it will be implemeted. Just my $.02 -malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 16 23:44:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24561 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24557 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.uah.edu (email.uah.edu [146.229.1.200]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06125 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (parkerc@localhost) by email.uah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA16346 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:46:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:46:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Christopher D. Parker" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al In-Reply-To: <19980816165324.11584.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Simple philosophy here, if you don't like it, leave. I hear the same people moan and complain about every aspect of this mud, day in and day out. You that do, know who you are. If you think that the imms of this mud are not trying to make it a balanced and well-oiled place to have fun (this is a game remember), then why don't you just start your own little happy place and see exactly how hard it is. If you've been on the gaming scene for any amount of time, you'll see that DM is about the best out there right now. Everyone threatens to go to CF. Have many of you ever tried to play CF? If you have, you'll soon see why DM was created. Ever known of many chars die of con death before rank 20 on DM? If you think I'm crazy, just rank to 10th on CF and see how long you live. If you are a hard core pker who doesn't care for any rp, then maybe CF is the place for you. For me, I've tried many of them out and really seen why DM is as popular as it is today. Why don't we use this forum to discuss rp problems, bugs and things that would be truly benefical to the game itself. So what if your ideas didn't get implemented. For those who get mad when their own ideas aren't used and accuse the imms of being "self-centered and controlling" need to look at the real problems we encounter daily, not the ones thought up while walking the dog or the like. I'm not trying to point any fingers nor single any particular person out, I just want the best for the mud and the most beneficial use of this forum. That's my 2 cents, for the first and last time on these types of issues. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 09:07:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA12575 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12571 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06402 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P8DF24YK; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35D98BFA.5AB8C8C7@logex.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:13:14 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX, a Division of AppNet Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First off, Immortals. I am really getting tired of your preaching about roleplaying. If you are looking for a world which goes by, "Do as I say, not as I do" then who ever I just got bitched at is on the right track. This latest one just came about when instead of taking a stance about an action of mine -- or even asking me about it -- you chose to hide behind a creature a speak you mind --- cowardly and make all sorts of assumptions and generalizations. And beyond that, who ever this was decided to be very sarcatsic. Hmmm, if you are looking for respect then I think you ought to show respect before barking your mouth off before you know the full story. I thought it funny that after this exchange who ever you were sure became real quiet. Sorry for using you as an example, Karen, but it just happened this way. --- Karen is DEAD!! [LIFE] the protector: Oh, well done, you killed a person with a neutral standpoint. I am so proud. [LIFE] the protector: You Father adores your crusade against the Grey. [LIFE] Hobbes: i think you dont know the reasoning behind this? [LIFE] the protector: Equipment? [LIFE] Hobbes: no....there is not equipment that i need of hers [LIFE] Hobbes: if you'll look at me, i carry nothing of value [LIFE] the protector: Sure, give me a reason. [LIFE] the protector: Funny, I don't see that she is marked Evil. [LIFE] Hobbes: rasten's note marked Taxardarbul and karen to start [LIFE] Hobbes: and secondly, since ive been trying to coax her away from the dark since the day she slaid me while grouped with tarsheva and cedez [LIFE] Hobbes: if you care to pass along my slaying to adorno, you may be free to do so... [LIFE] Hobbes: my reasons are just [LIFE] Hobbes: i find no honor in slaying her, she chose her own fate [LIFE] Hobbes: the note titled "legion" also explains that she aided in rastens death also -- All was quiet after this. I assume the "Immortal" read Rasten's notes and debriefed him/herself and decided not to acknowledge their mistake. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 12:10:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24389 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24385 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10520 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (32.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.62]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08282 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:05:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808181705.MAA08282@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I don't know the story behind the last posting at all, but I did want to comment on a couple of things. Firstly, if you consider that a "bitch session" then you have lead a very sheltered life. Why can't the Protector of Life question your actions and speak sarcastically? He has been watching over Life longer than any other save Adorno. It seems to me that Hobbes's actions were questioned by the Protector, and Hobbes answered those questions respectably. I don't see a need to complain, and I especially don't see a need to post such a useless message to the entire mailing list. Personally, I was wondering where the rest of the story was. *chuckle* Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 12:15:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA25493 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25489 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu (qmailr@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.123]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA10638 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24385 invoked by uid 34571); 18 Aug 1998 17:15:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph C Odonnell To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Changes to spell powers for giants et al In-Reply-To: <19980816165324.11584.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'll just take a moment to try to clarify this to those of you out there who have expressed an interest in the new spell configurations. It is not enough to look at a spell as a hard and fast way of manipulating magical energies to form one specific outcome. In fact, magic and the way it is woven, is far more elastic, eloquent, elegant and subtle. It is a force that bends to the stipulations and imaginations of its casters. The slightest change in inflection, tone, rapidity of speech etc, can have a drastic change on the outcome, though that change may be nonexistant, or so negligible as not to be percieved by anyone but the most practiced and indeed, divine, spellcasters. It is much akin to music in this sense, as those who have ever played an instrument or listened a poorly rendered song will tell you, one change can throw off the entire ballad or make it swoon with even more beauty. Now, what does this have to do with the problem at hand, you may ask. Well, when you have certain groups of races, such as the Illithid and Elves, their entire culture from the start has been steeped in magic. >From their grandfathers great-grandfathers and beyond, magic has been the central focus of their lives, learning, training, practicing day in and day out for centuries. On the other hand, you have giants and Centaurs, whos main focus was not magic, but battle, hunting and gathering, warding off enemies etc. Certainly, there were likely people in this group that devoted themselves to magic, heart and soul, but time still had to be reserved for them to do their chores or in some way give them the bulk of the strength that they possess. This being said, it is beyond logical that the former races mentioned would be so far ahead in spellcasting techniques as opposed to the latter, that it would take centuries for one person to even come close to mastering what they already know. Take also the fact that the Elves have the longest of lives, and the time becomes exponential. These casting nuances and knowledge are reflected in the intelligence of the person, and now, more accurately reflected in the new spell system. These races, through their advanced knowledge, are able to create the same effect, but just a better effect than that of their counterparts. It is argued that a centaur or giant hero (archmage) should be able to do the same as one of these persons, but that is incorrect for what I just described, they are not privvy to the ancient knowledge, and don't know enough to reproduce the effects. Think of it also in the context of a language, I may try to learn french, and though I my try my damndest for the longest of times, I will not compare with a frenchman, I may have an accent that belies the truth, or be ignorant of some word or its proper usage, and will certainly not be fluent in all the regional dialects of the place. I hope this has shed some of the light of truth on things. The immortals certainly would not seek to unfairly advance anyone, the new spell system is merely a way of reflecting the histories of the people that use it. J. O'Donnell Riallus WindGust From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 12:38:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26673 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:38:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26669 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:38:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f258.hotmail.com [207.82.251.149]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11105 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17786 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1998 17:35:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980818173545.17785.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:35:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:35:44 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I would have to say in response to Hobbes posting that this matter did not need to be posted. It seems to me as an issue to be dealt with inside the house alone and/or with the immortals alone. To me it seems to be house business. In agreement with Cirdan, I have seen much worse "bitch sessions" myself. That was rather mild then some of them I have seen. Anyway somethings should be dealt with first and foremost within the house and game itself and not outside. It seems that at least one imm feels the same way as I do. From past experience with the others I would say they probably feel much the same way. Though I will let them voice their own opinions on that subject. As for Riallus's comments on the spell changes, I think that he hit the nail on the head with that one. I hope that cleared up some of what has been asked about. Loric, Blackjacker of the Soulless, Thief of Life ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 15:59:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15014 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15010 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18343 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:42 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8EOTa07259 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:59:06 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: People Sending messages just to cheer another on Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'm curious why write a not to just down another person. If you don't like what they say then don't you don't have to tell everyone. Hobbes was doing his duty Life is at war with Legion not the evil half but all the house. Once Barsak did a similar thing to me when I was playing my paladin. His Outlaw's were raiding house life I was protecting at the Protector. And he comes down and questions my duty as a Life member and implied me going to fight the three outlaws. Well you see Adorno was on and I thought Adorno was giving me a order so I took it to heart and well I was slaughtered. Immortal interferrence can be dangerous for that player. I personally don't like people telling me I hunt people for their eq, its quite insulting I really don't see that people are different in there notion. Alas I digressed it doesn't make a lot of sense to insult a person for their views if you want to make criticism fine but going oh that imm was right and your just wrong cause another says so seems well I think you can guess what I am trying to say. Brian Hodge From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 16:34:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA16662 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16658 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:34:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f182.hotmail.com [207.82.251.71]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA19363 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:34:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 18213 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1998 21:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980818213411.18212.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:34:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:34:11 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Cirdan, you are a fool. The Protector of Life should be able to do as he pleases.. but some dicky IMM other than Adorno who just wants to be pissy to someone about something they know nothing about is one of the things that makes this mud suck in general. It happens alot. If you have a problem with someone in a house.. you send a note to the Leader and the IMM of the House.. let them do their investigation and keep your nose out of other peoples bussiness. Switching to a House Protector when its not your House is an insult to the House and its Immortals Leader. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 10:11:03 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24423; > Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:35 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:31 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24389 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:30 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24385 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:29 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.3]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10520 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:27 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from shiflett (32.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.62]) > by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08282 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:05:53 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <199808181705.MAA08282@mail.multipro.com> >From: "Chris Shiflett" >To: >Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:15 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I don't know the story behind the last posting at all, but I did want to >comment on a couple of things. Firstly, if you consider that a "bitch >session" then you have lead a very sheltered life. Why can't the Protector >of Life question your actions and speak sarcastically? He has been watching >over Life longer than any other save Adorno. It seems to me that Hobbes's >actions were questioned by the Protector, and Hobbes answered those >questions respectably. I don't see a need to complain, and I especially >don't see a need to post such a useless message to the entire mailing list. >Personally, I was wondering where the rest of the story was. *chuckle* > >Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 16:37:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA17053 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17037 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:37:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19405 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P8DF249X; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:32:11 -0400 Message-ID: <35D9F553.D56E729A@logex.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:42:44 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX, a Division of AppNet Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Don't read if you don't care-- -- Actually, I think Brian was getting at what I was trying to point out earlier today. First off, contrary to what Adam mentioned, my email earlier was not a 'note' to immortals, nor a note about house Life. Nor an IC issue to be dealt with. Nor did I write that as "Hobbes". This is an email list used for constructive criticism and ideas for DM, not for sending or posting notes to people i.e. DM. Rather that email pointed out a situation that happened minutes before. I was trying to make a statement about Immortal role-playing and what Brian eluded to: Immortal interference into the realms of the mortals can be detrimental to the game itself if not reserved for appropriate times.. It is one thing to whisk someone away into the realm of the dead and have a conversation about things related to one's role-playing. That is fine. I've been there and had plenty of 'bitch sessions' which we all know that my previous email did not depict...it was someone bitching (being overly sarcastic with lack of reason) about my pk -- nothing more nothing less. I was referring to the manner that this Immortal chose to do it. His/her tone was unfitting of a "Superior" being than my mortal. I think that much is completely clear. I think If I used such a tone towards someone like, "Xurinos" (for argument sake), I would be smited for lack of respect and possibly unhoused/banned i.e. "Dreux" if things progressed as they certainly could have this morning. The point which I tried to get across in 'real' text rather than retell a tale was that, whoever this immortal was who decided to give me their .02 cents in a format that was OOC rather than IC -- using the protector as a shield. This person accused/insinuated that I was acting in an unjust fashion, therefore poor role-playing. There was no hidden meaning to their words, they basically said, "You just killed for no apparent reason, nice role-playing buddy"...where in fact it was quite the opposite, and this irks me and also makes the DM staff look bad. It is difficult to role-play as it is. But if you are going to snoop someone at least get all the facts straight before you start insinuating what people's actions really mean. jumping to conclusions can cause alot of stife. This was/is not a house issue or an IC issue for DM. I handled that with my answers which were clearly laid out in the previous email with "Hobbes" when i was still in those realms. All I was pointing out was that Immortals need to also role-play if they in turn wish for us to role-play. I am not asking you to side with me, or even like me or my characters. I am just telling you as it is, whether you like to see/hear it or not. There are two sides to every story and I am sure there is the Immortal side to things. But I only play mortals, and from my vantage point you all are losing ground. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 19:59:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA29328 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29324 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23045 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (venus.truserve.com [208.142.211.110]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17188 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808190059.TAA17188@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:37 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting In-Reply-To: <19980818213411.18212.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well, I don't know excatly how to start, but sometimes people think that a command to do one thing includes these other things. In this particular situation It was fully justifible for an immortal to find out what the hell was going on. Normally, those who are neutral are not enemys of house life, Karen, who is in legion but is neutral, was not known by this particular immortal to be an enemy of house life. We have to keep track of a lot of things and sometimes I have problems enough keeping up with my own house, let alone all the intracacies of the other houses. It really helps to be able to ask "SHOULD you be doing this?" and not just assume its proper behavior and let something bad happen when the behavior is against the house. I never took it as an insult, unless it is like a particular case where the actions of the immortal were inappropriate, countermanding a standing order from myself, nor will I ever. Finding out if actions taken are appropriate only takes a few minutes out of your life and saves a lot of possible hassle later. Deal with it. When an immortal possesses a mob it flat out is meant to find something out, further on YOUR charecter development, or question your beliefs. We've gone over this before, if you can't handle the roleplaying aspect.....um...go elsewhere. This is not like the "god" of christianity who never interferes in the world. Gods play an important role in this universe of DarkMists. Its funny that people complain about lack of roleplaying, but whenever they complain about us even questioning thiers, they whine even more. Adorno At 02:34 PM 8/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >Cirdan, you are a fool. The Protector of Life should be able to do as he >pleases.. but some dicky IMM other than Adorno who just wants to be >pissy to someone about something they know nothing about is one of the >things that makes this mud suck in general. It happens alot. If you >have a problem with someone in a house.. you send a note to the Leader >and the IMM of the House.. let them do their investigation and keep your >nose out of other peoples bussiness. Switching to a House Protector when >its not your House is an insult to the House and its Immortals Leader. > >Xialinin > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 21:11:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02854 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02850 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24039 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Dielantha@aol.com Received: from Dielantha@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8CZPa27848 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:10:48 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <965015fa.35da3429@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:10:48 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-18 17:35:04 EDT, you write: << Cirdan, you are a fool. The Protector of Life should be able to do as he pleases.. but some dicky IMM other than Adorno who just wants to be pissy to someone about something they know nothing about is one of the things that makes this mud suck in general. It happens alot. If you have a problem with someone in a house.. you send a note to the Leader and the IMM of the House.. let them do their investigation and keep your nose out of other peoples bussiness. Switching to a House Protector when its not your House is an insult to the House and its Immortals Leader. Xialinin >> Alright again here we go with the name calling and well the pissy attitude. I understand you wanted to try and get a point across Xialinin, but I also think it could have been done in a manner better then this..I hope in the future I can read mail on this list that doesn't include all this pointless name calling.. Dielantha From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 23:31:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08122 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08118 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:31:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f218.hotmail.com [207.82.251.109]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA25871 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25640 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 04:30:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819043056.25639.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:30:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:30:56 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Again, I reitertate.. notes can be used to investigate things which are another gods domain.. let them handle it. If its your House,... atleast have the decency to ask in a polite way .. Would the Protector of Life really want to challenge a member of Life without any real information about the situation.. probably not. Atleast I assume that since he is the protector he has half a wit not to be an asshole before he knows the situation.. but then again there is an Immortal controlling him.. so there goes my argument for intelligence. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 18:00:04 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA29362; > Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:56 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:52 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA29328 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:51 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29324 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:49 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23045 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:48 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from misanthropy (venus.truserve.com [208.142.211.110]) > by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17188 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:46 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <199808190059.TAA17188@mailhub.iastate.edu> >X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:59:37 -0500 >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >From: Digital Vampire >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting >In-Reply-To: <19980818213411.18212.qmail@hotmail.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Well, I don't know excatly how to start, but sometimes people think that a >command to do one thing includes these other things. In this particular >situation It was fully justifible for an immortal to find out what the hell >was going on. Normally, those who are neutral are not enemys of house >life, Karen, who is in legion but is neutral, was not known by this >particular immortal to be an enemy of house life. We have to keep track of >a lot of things and sometimes I have problems enough keeping up with my own >house, let alone all the intracacies of the other houses. It really helps >to be able to ask "SHOULD you be doing this?" and not just assume its >proper behavior and let something bad happen when the behavior is against >the house. I never took it as an insult, unless it is like a particular >case where the actions of the immortal were inappropriate, countermanding a >standing order from myself, nor will I ever. Finding out if actions taken >are appropriate only takes a few minutes out of your life and saves a lot >of possible hassle later. Deal with it. > >When an immortal possesses a mob it flat out is meant to find something >out, further on YOUR charecter development, or question your beliefs. >We've gone over this before, if you can't handle the roleplaying >aspect.....um...go elsewhere. This is not like the "god" of christianity >who never interferes in the world. Gods play an important role in this >universe of DarkMists. > >Its funny that people complain about lack of roleplaying, but whenever they >complain about us even questioning thiers, they whine even more. > >Adorno > >At 02:34 PM 8/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Cirdan, you are a fool. The Protector of Life should be able to do as he >>pleases.. but some dicky IMM other than Adorno who just wants to be >>pissy to someone about something they know nothing about is one of the >>things that makes this mud suck in general. It happens alot. If you >>have a problem with someone in a house.. you send a note to the Leader >>and the IMM of the House.. let them do their investigation and keep your >>nose out of other peoples bussiness. Switching to a House Protector when >>its not your House is an insult to the House and its Immortals Leader. >> >>Xialinin >> > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 23:35:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08316 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08312 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f230.hotmail.com [207.82.251.121]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA25926 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 6615 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 04:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819043458.6614.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:34:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:34:58 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I call name sjust as I have been called names. With an Immortal staff who acts as this one does.. they deserve a little disrespect every now and again. I was there when Asilone walked out to be slaughtered by those three Outlaws. Barsak had no bussiness possessing our Protector and telling any of us what to do.. he said he didn't command it.. but he basically questioned the morales of a character in a position of authority over him.. without the sense enough to know our Houses beliefs.. There is a simple solution to this problem.. MIND YOUR OWN HOUSES BUSSINESS. Its better for everyone.. if you thikn something is awry.. write a damn note and leave it to the Imm in charge of that house to deal with it. Being a prick to players only makes the Immortal staff look like a bunch of kids who like to wield there "I'm an Imm and you're not" stick in the air.. showing everyone they can do whatever they want without consequence. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 18 19:11:47 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA02888; > Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:31 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:28 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02854 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:27 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02850 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:25 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24039 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:11:24 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dielantha@aol.com >Received: from Dielantha@aol.com > by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8CZPa27848 > for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:10:48 +2000 (EDT) >Message-ID: <965015fa.35da3429@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:10:48 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 98-08-18 17:35:04 EDT, you write: > ><< Cirdan, you are a fool. The Protector of Life should be able to do as he > pleases.. but some dicky IMM other than Adorno who just wants to be > pissy to someone about something they know nothing about is one of the > things that makes this mud suck in general. It happens alot. If you > have a problem with someone in a house.. you send a note to the Leader > and the IMM of the House.. let them do their investigation and keep your > nose out of other peoples bussiness. Switching to a House Protector when > its not your House is an insult to the House and its Immortals Leader. > > Xialinin >> > >Alright again here we go with the name calling and well the pissy attitude. I >understand you wanted to try and get a point across Xialinin, but I also think >it could have been done in a manner better then this..I hope in the future I >can read mail on this list that doesn't include all this pointless name >calling.. > >Dielantha > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 00:47:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA10999 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10995 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:47:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26914 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:47:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ian2.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id BAA18263 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808190547.BAA18263@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:51:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > beliefs.. There is a simple solution to this problem.. MIND YOUR OWN > HOUSES BUSSINESS. Its better for everyone.. if you thikn something is I don't agree with this......if the Imms were limited to only control over the Protector of their own house then a lot of RPin' is lost. I know personally I enjoy speaking with the Combatant every once in a while and sometimes it is nice to have it talk back even though Darkwood is not in the realm. Plus, they are the Gods and they can do as they wish and if you don't like it there are plenty of other places to go. I don't mean to say this to make you feel bad or anything, that is just the way I see it. So mabye everytime an Imm does something it doesn't come out like they planned for some reason or another their intention is to help remind you to RP and do it good. That is what this mud is about. Anyway, that is my little soapbox speach, hope you all enjoyed it. Ian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 07:06:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA17365 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:06:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA17361 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:06:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01146 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:06:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (addisababa.truserve.com [208.142.211.120]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02547 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:06:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808191206.HAA02547@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:06:37 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting In-Reply-To: <19980819043056.25639.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Delay in punishment usually seperates the punishment from the mortals doing of wrong. Are you trying to prove something here? Are you trying to prove how many insults you can get off before someone notices and says they've had enough? You expect the gods of the realm to be perfect and to be there all the time. Any immortal, who has the power to, has my stated permission to use that power to investigate things in my house. I cannot be here all the time and sometimes the politest way wouldn't insinuate that there was any wrong doing. You keep quoting one instance of when it got a little messed up and yes, that was wrong. How many times that you know of that nothing bad happened because of a particular possession. I've seen the preserver of magic get all sad because people don't greet him when they come into the world. I've seen the bouncer get downright nasty to someone...because..well...he's a bouncer. Notes are slow and don't alway communicate the problems urgancy. If Joebob goes aginst his alignment, that requires immediate action, how is it diffrent that Joebob is in a house and goes against the house? Adorno At 09:30 PM 8/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >Again, I reitertate.. notes can be used to investigate things which are >another gods domain.. let them handle it. If its your House,... atleast >have the decency to ask in a polite way .. Would the Protector of Life >really want to challenge a member of Life without any real information >about the situation.. probably not. Atleast I assume that since he is >the protector he has half a wit not to be an asshole before he knows the >situation.. but then again there is an Immortal controlling him.. so >there goes my argument for intelligence. > >Xialinin > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 08:24:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19635 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:24:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19631 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f47.hotmail.com [207.82.250.58]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA02694 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 20196 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 13:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819132406.20194.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:24:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:24:06 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I have just one thing to say to you Xiallinin. Try to use some tact in what you say to others. This straight forward, I'm right your wrong attitude won't get anywhere. All it will do is tick people off as it is already doing. Just some (constuctive) critisism. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 08:26:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19825 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:26:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19821 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02757 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:26:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YXNa29489 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5861862d.35dad23f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:25:18 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu xialnin, give it up. You calling Imm's pricks and were thinking the same thing about you when you get into a hissy fit. This subject did not need to go beyond two maybe three postings at MOST. Now its grown into eight, because of you calling the imm's pricks and fools. Its like your trying to start a rebellion shouting "Darkmists sucks!! the immortals are pricks!" well i dont beleive you have any followers. I noticed you said that Darkmists sucks. If you think that way.........leave. Sheesh, the immortals bust thier butts to TRY to make darkmists a better place, and you tear them apart for it. I agree, some mistakes have been made, but they can be dismissed, I DOESNT MATTER! if YOu dont agree with it or if you hate it ::cough xialnin:: then LEAVE, I for one do not want to sit here, taking time to read my e-mail and find a whole lotta *#%^ in it. Just some thoughts. . . From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 11:01:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA24581 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:01:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24577 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:00:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f135.hotmail.com [207.82.251.14]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA06176 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:00:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11735 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 16:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819160026.11733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.184.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:00:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.179.184.90] From: "Tom Forester" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] whatever Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:00:26 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu <> Well I think Barsak did the right thing in this case. Think about it, asilone was (and still is with all his current one-hour-a-month chars) a huge equipment hog. Anyone who hoards gear like that deserves to be killed by a big gangbang, all I have to say is *clap barsak* If more immortals would force hoarders to die, well, there wouldn't be anymore hoarders. And concerning what happened to hobbes, well I have some things I could say concerning a couple choice immortals but I'd probably get kicked off the list for it. My $0.02 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 14:04:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15635 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:04:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15619 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:04:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f254.hotmail.com [207.82.251.145]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA13319 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 652 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 19:03:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819190351.651.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:03:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] whatever Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:03:51 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have got to ask the question? What does whether the character has eq or not have anything to do with House beliefs and whether he has an obligation to defend his House or walk outside and get slaughtered by 5 heros. Let me answer it before you give me some more dumbass responses.. It doesn't have anything to do with it. Barsak nor any other Immortal has any right to just tell people what to do unless it follows some sort of belief system of theirs or they are following their own gods orders. The way you make it sound.. I could be a follower of Xurinos and Barsak could make me help out his outlaws even if I was lawful. Being a god doesn't mean you can dick people over at will.. >Well I think Barsak did the right thing in this case. Think about it, >asilone was (and still is with all his current one-hour-a-month chars) a >huge equipment hog. Anyone who hoards gear like that deserves to be >killed by a big gangbang, all I have to say is *clap barsak* If more >immortals would force hoarders to die, well, there wouldn't be anymore >hoarders. And concerning what happened to hobbes, well I have some >things I could say concerning a couple choice immortals but I'd probably >get kicked off the list for it. > >My $0.02 > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 14:13:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA16097 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16093 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f227.hotmail.com [207.82.251.118]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA13528 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1759 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 19:13:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819191300.1757.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:13:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] On equipment hoggin Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:13:00 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On the point of equipment hogging. Here's the deal with equipment. Its limited.. and for some people its harder to get than for others. For the powerful its easy to accumulate a horde of really nice stuff. In addition.. its easy to keep that really nice for a long long time. Thats part of the point to being powerful. You shouldn't have to die once a month if you don't have to.. and if you're smart.. you won'y die every month. Stop bitching about how people have such nice eq.. if they are wearing it.. its none of yer bussiness anyway. Inventory hoarding on the other hand is completely different. I personally think that there ought to be an encumbrance modifier or something that affects your movement when you are carrying a large NUMBEr of items rather than just weight of items.. because of the added bulk of the load. In addition this encumbrance should affect your combat abilities and spellcasting as you are loaded down with this massive pack of crap and or limited eq. If implemented in a balanced way, this could eliminate the ability of people to continually hoarde eq in their inventories whilee still allowing them to wear as much nice stuff as they wish on their person. If the gods want to stop hoarding of eq.. that is to say hoarding of limited eq on characters that get played very little.. program a simple c program which finds the characters hours for the month.. I'd say require 3 hours a week or 12 hours a month per char. If the char doesn't have that time at the end of the month.. axe all the limited eq on it. I understand that logging the total time of the character will be more coding.. but I think this would be a viable alternative to Imm intervention.. what can be made into policy and code should be.. it makes the game run smoother. In addition, if a player is leaving for the summer or what not.. an Imm should be able to (if they wish) give a person a stay-of-play flag.. which means they would be exempt from the limited eq purge of non-playing. Which of course would be removed the next time the char logged on. My .2 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 14:41:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA17872 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:41:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17868 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:40:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f132.hotmail.com [207.82.251.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA14185 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12138 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 19:40:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819194022.12137.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:40:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] On equipment hoggin Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:40:21 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu It is my understanding that if you are going to be gone for more than a month, that if you note that to the imm's that your char will not be lost, but you will lose all of your equipment. I don't think that is a bad policy actually. If you are gonna be gone for so long give someone else the chance to get teh good stuff, and when you get back, if you were good enough to get it once you can get it again. Anyway I am not sure what to say about the number of hours per month requirement to keep your limited equipment. I do think one needs to be set I just don't know how many hours. I would lean closer to 2 hours a week then 3. But three would not be so bad. hmm....That is something I think it would be good to hear about from a large number of people, and not just the few that post a lot. Well Later all. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 15:52:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20459 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20455 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:52:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16068 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-210-111.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.210.111]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id NAA27419 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35DB3C84.F77BDF31@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:58:45 -0700 From: Steve Davis Organization: Ciao Bella Gelato X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] On equipment hoggin References: <19980819194022.12137.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well then I will second or third the idea of putting a minimum of hours on per week/per character to keep people from hoarding eq. I think that either 2 or 3 hours a week will take care of this problem. If it doesnt then we are all just a bunch of whiners. - Steve Davis aka Bontrager Adam Hubbard wrote: > It is my understanding that if you are going to be gone for more than a > month, that if you note that to the imm's that your char will not be > lost, but you will lose all of your equipment. I don't think that is a > bad policy actually. If you are gonna be gone for so long give someone > else the chance to get teh good stuff, and when you get back, if you > were good enough to get it once you can get it again. Anyway I am not > sure what to say about the number of hours per month requirement to keep > your limited equipment. I do think one needs to be set I just don't > know how many hours. I would lean closer to 2 hours a week then 3. But > three would not be so bad. hmm....That is something I think it would be > good to hear about from a large number of people, and not just the few > that post a lot. Well Later all. > > Adam > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 16:04:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA20925 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:04:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20917 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:04:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16402 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:04:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:05:24 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808190059.TAA17188@mailhub.iastate.edu> References: <19980818213411.18212.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:06:38 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Well, I don't know excatly how to start, but sometimes people think that a >command to do one thing includes these other things. In this particular >situation It was fully justifible for an immortal to find out what the hell >was going on. Normally, those who are neutral are not enemys of house >life, Karen, who is in legion but is neutral, was not known by this >particular immortal to be an enemy of house life. We have to keep track of >a lot of things and sometimes I have problems enough keeping up with my own >house, let alone all the intracacies of the other houses. It really helps >to be able to ask "SHOULD you be doing this?" and not just assume its >proper behavior and let something bad happen when the behavior is against >the house. I never took it as an insult, unless it is like a particular >case where the actions of the immortal were inappropriate, countermanding a >standing order from myself, nor will I ever. Finding out if actions taken >are appropriate only takes a few minutes out of your life and saves a lot >of possible hassle later. Deal with it. > >When an immortal possesses a mob it flat out is meant to find something >out, further on YOUR charecter development, or question your beliefs. >We've gone over this before, if you can't handle the roleplaying >aspect.....um...go elsewhere. This is not like the "god" of christianity >who never interferes in the world. Gods play an important role in this >universe of DarkMists. > >Its funny that people complain about lack of roleplaying, but whenever they >complain about us even questioning thiers, they whine even more. > >Adorno Well, let me say something here.. i know i don't send much email to the list, but i read everything.. adorno, some people on the imm staff are so mindboggling pig headed and stuborn, it's a wonder they even got immorted.. just so you all know, i play Quintar.. now, i had a nice chat with xurinos a few days ago, about me possibly getting back the spells i lost when i had my ethos and alignment forceable changed on me.. i don't know who shit in his cornflakes that morning, but he was so rude to me, i genuinly thought i did something wrong.. all i asked was if it was possible for me to get my spells back.. he said that i didn't need sanc, there are potions and wands for that.. absorb, i don't need that, i just have to deck myself out in saves gear and i'll be safe.. disint? that's a killer's tool, not used for defence.. concate? use your other spells, they work every round.. now, i don't know how many of you play channelers, but for those that do, you know how shitty a channeler is without those spells.. i've gotten killed so many times because i don't have my powers anymore, i'm surpised that i havent' deleted him yet.. now some of you might think that i'm just not good at keeping myself alive.. your wrong.. i get bj'd, and bs'd, and i'm dead.. slept, blinded, faerie fired, and lashed to hell, and i'm dead.. now i'm not saying i'll live through the bj and bs with my powers back, but at least i stand a better chance with my powers, than without.. anyway, after he said i didn't NEED any of those spells back, he told me to talk to a "good" imm, and see if they will let me have my powers back.. i said fine, i'll do that.. a little later that day, i decided to raid enforcer.. i did, and i got their book.. i also found outlaw's ring, so i asked xurinos what he wanted me to do with it.. i got smited, for apparent "lack of tact" in the way my question was asked.. i mean, come on!! why the hell should i get smited for asking a question?!?! is this fair? how can people like that be allowed to be in a position of power? next thing i know, i'll get denied access for spelling some imm's name wrong.. some of the immortals need to take a step back and look at what they think they're doing here.. some imm's, to me, seem to be here only for an ego boost, and nothing more.. i've been treated VERY badly my some of the imm's.. i don't know which one's, cause all i saw was the "A divine preasence" before what they said.. and on the other side of the coin, i have been treated with great respect by others.. some imm's have serious issues that need to be delt with, before this mud goes strait to the crapper.. just my 2 cents.. quintar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 17:04:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22997 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22993 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:04:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f103.hotmail.com [207.82.250.222]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA17750 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:04:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4701 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 22:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980819220356.4700.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.7.45 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:03:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.7.45] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:03:56 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu *sigh* I read everything and think that it is not my place to always give my opinion or jump on any bandwagon and take a side (which is usually any side other than xailinin (or whatever he is)) If he wishes to insult others then i suggest we deal with the problem....either ignore him or boot him from the list. this list is a privilage NOT a right this MUD is a privilage NOT a right and in the immortal words of Styx..."look guys shit happens" all I have to say to that is AMEN Styx! This is not an ass kiss I am presently an immortal on a different mud. If you think being an immotal is easy your screwed in the head especially with a popular or a new MUD. (I apologize to the immotral staff to the promoting instance that one youngster did and was taken care of by Rungekutta that has been taken care of and will NOT happen again of that I promise) NOW I am not going to tell xail to leave or stay and if you spam my email list with mailing letters saying the same damn thing then please think twice about it, its being just as dumnb as calling names. Imms, no worries, your doing just fine you must be doing something right for i need a break from imming and need to just let loose and play so right on. God Bless you all is my prayer! Mark A. Greer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 17:20:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA23590 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23586 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:20:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18120 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17431 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:55 -0400 Message-ID: <00ab01bdcbbf$637d73c0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Everything Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I really don't want to get this heated, but I would like to bring some fact into it. This isn't defending Xurinos BTW, but all Gods, though I am the lowbie God of the pantheon, and Xurinos doesn't really need to defend his actions. First of all, I was the first person to punish Quintar. Why? Because he was going against his ethos. His ethos was changed and he lost some spells for it. Some of us view things like that in different ways, I personally have no problem with a character changing his way and joining another house, that isn't something really set in stone, but alignment and ethos, yes. These are things that are decided at character creation, and should be stuck with till the day the char dies. So, that's how the whole Quintar thing started. I'm not exactly sure what he did for later punishment, but I know he was pretty crippled. The point is, Quintar brought it all upon himself, it wasn't a group of Gods sitting around thinking "Oh, lets pick on Quintar." Then enters Xurinos, and you ask him for spells back! You lost them for a reason. He told you how to get around your lack of spells, which for the dark God of the Void to actually take time and give you a suggestion should be enough for some people. I would have just laughed at you myself, but remember, that's in character. Also, I had a crippled channeler also, and I brought it all upon myself. Styx pretty much screwed Rupprecht on his spells, but I never went around saying that "so and so is wrong, and shouldn't be immortal" because I dug my own grave on that one, and rped it out to the end. Hell you got it lucky, I couldn't get sanc, heal, bless, anything, and was permenantly cursed. Healers wouldn't take my money. As far as the smite, well, you were in a house, you should know what to do with a house item without asking a God. Ask a stupid question.... On another note, I agree with the hoarding thing, there are people, (even people on this list) that have chars with tons of limited eq on their body, not in their inventory, but they log on for maybe a minute and type who pk, and if it looks bad, they quit. These people maybe get 5 hours a month, and normally have 4 or 5 chars that all do the same thing. I can name all kinds of eq I haven't seen in a long time, and stuff that I've been told is old that I've never seen before is just now crossing my path. EQ doesn't make the game, but when people act like children about it, it makes everyone else pissy. One more thing, disintegrate. Personally, I hate that spell. I'd say over 50% of our channelers exist only because of that spell. They have so many other spells in their arsenal, and at hero rank concat can be cast every round. How many (non-crusader) warrior types can get oblits and annihs every round with a lunge? This spell is stupid, it's just a pissy players way of killing people in one hit, hell, it's even less mana than evil eye for nightwalkers, and nightwalkers are assassins and should have such a spell. I haven't been disintegrated in a long time, I treat channelers like thieves now, if they're in the room, I ain't. To many half naked hero channelers running around with no purpose in their character except to raise hell and vaporize people and get the few pieces of eq that doesn't fry. As far as Xialinin goes, for Gods sake LEAVE! You have some good ideas at times dude but I hate to admit it because of the way you treat other people. DM is a privilage, not a right, and you sure as hell don't pay to use it. You got Ceran's FUBARed code, go pay your mudservices fee and put up your own mud. Hell I'll write you an area and wish you good luck, and maybe you'll make something pretty good. But insulting immortals, well, insulting ANYONE here is just plain wrong. --tim AKA Xeonauz, the God of War From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 18:30:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA25533 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:30:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25529 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29365 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:30:09 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8IQPa06514 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:26:41 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] On equipment hoggin Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu instead of a 2-3 hour a week it should be more like either an 8-12 hour a month, that gives people who miss a week from going on vacation or something a chance to make it up without loosing everything. If that were the case I am all for it. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 19 22:54:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA01660 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:54:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01656 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA23320 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dakota1.airmail.net from [204.178.75.58] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.252) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 19 Aug 98 22:53:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: "Adam" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Hobbes's Posting Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:55:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sigh...yet again..everyone knows how little I post..how much I dislike posting..but I can sum this whole argument up real quick and simple for us..and granted..I'm not exactly sure what its about because reading 12 messages about it doesnt appeal to me...but. Any immortal can punish any mortal, in any instance, for any violation. Wow..a whole paragraph...damn I'm good..Ok..thats my monthly post. -styx/adam From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 01:45:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA05921 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05917 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:45:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26040 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:45:00 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA26584 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:44:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx11-47.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.175) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026555; Thu Aug 20 01:43:59 1998 Message-ID: <35DBC8B6.799F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:56:54 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Enforcer Guards References: <19980815080611.1994.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Xialinin Zo'xzin wrote: > > I think it ought to have to do with the town you are in. If you call > guards in Shqeston they should be evil.. ofcol good, glyndane neutral, > nt neutral, arkham evil.. etc. I don't think you should be able to call > guards outside protected areas. Only prtected areas would have guards > handy, wouldn't you say? > > Xialinin Zo'xzin I like this idea a lot. It fits very well. -Thrym From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 02:59:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA06343 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:59:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06339 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f175.hotmail.com [207.82.251.61]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA26856 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14235 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 07:58:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820075853.14234.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:58:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:58:52 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Could people send me back specific comments about the following ideas: Encumbrance: A person should have their combat/spell effectiveness and movement costs affected by the number of items in their immediate inventory. This does not include sacks or pouches.. only items which fall in the immediate inventory. It would force people to carry fewer limited items in their inventories in order to retain full combat/spell/movement effectiveness. It would also keep people from hoarding eq in their inventories. The flow of equipment would increase ( something I think we would all enjoy). Monthly Quota: I think people ought to have a monthly quota of atleast 12 hours. Not weekly because people's schedules are often messed up, but monthly. I would also say that to lighten the punishment for missing the quota.. that one would lose half their limited eq.. beginning with the highest level items first.. or perhaps the most limited first. This way people wouldn't be walking on totally naked but the really nice (unique) items would not get hoarded. I hope this line of messages is a little less offensive than the previous few ;) ( I lose it sometimes, I know) Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 11:37:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00652 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00648 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07779 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-113-13.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.113.13]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29377 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DC437E.672CF0D5@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:40:47 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota References: <19980820075853.14234.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I don't think you have the complete understanding of the Hoarders. They don't walk around. They sit. If they are walking around...they are out in the realms and thereby fair game to all. If they are out walking around I've no probelm with them having all the limited stuff. It's the people in the guild that I can't get to that irks me. Hours min and max...I think it's a load. To the Immortals that control the mud: think about it....If you think a character is hoarding zap his arse. He/She/It isn't be productive in the rp department take him out. I won't cry honest. If you think you'd feel too guilty to just all out deny the poor bastard, then purge his eq. I'm sure if they got the stuff once, they can go get it again. You have means to tell all about a character. From start to finish. A majority of the hoards are a once a month deal. You got logs. Purge their happy ass. Anyways....that's my gripe. It's like we've been bitten by a snake and poison's coursing through our viens, have the anti-venom in the left hand, but refuse to use it cause we are right handed. Seems like the body wants it....go ahead and get the Wand of purge and go zap crazy. Hell in the end you might save some memory out of the deal. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 16:30:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08675 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08667 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:30:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f103.hotmail.com [207.82.250.222]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA15084 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9536 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 21:29:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820212926.9535.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:29:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:29:26 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I totally disagree with your line of logic. If a person plays for 12 hours a month and is sitting in their guild.. then isn't the problem with the guild system. I think that instead of zapping people all over the place, that maybe a system where the guild was only unenterable when the guard was alive would make more sense. Then someone could kill the guild guard, which I am sure a hero could do. Ofcourse then they have to deal with the guildmaster and the person they are looking for.. Going wand crazy does two things. It pisses people off and gives them the freedom to say they were treated unfairly. Make things less subjectie and more objective. It will always lead to less bitching in the end, and less personal attacks on character and ability of the Imms. Xialinin >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 09:38:48 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA00688; > Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:51 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00652 > for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:50 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00648 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:48 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07779 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:46 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-113-13.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.113.13]) > by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29377 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:37:44 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <35DC437E.672CF0D5@bellsouth.net> >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:40:47 -0400 >From: Chris Heredia >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota >References: <19980820075853.14234.qmail@hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I don't think you have the complete understanding of the Hoarders. They >don't >walk around. They sit. If they are walking around...they are out in the >realms >and thereby fair game to all. If they are out walking around I've no >probelm >with them having all the limited stuff. It's the people in the guild that >I can't >get to that irks me. > >Hours min and max...I think it's a load. To the Immortals that control the >mud: >think about it....If you think a character is hoarding zap his arse. >He/She/It isn't >be productive in the rp department take him out. I won't cry honest. If >you think >you'd feel too guilty to just all out deny the poor bastard, then purge his >eq. I'm >sure if they got the stuff once, they can go get it again. You have means >to tell >all about a character. From start to finish. A majority of the hoards are >a once >a month deal. You got logs. Purge their happy ass. > >Anyways....that's my gripe. It's like we've been bitten by a snake and >poison's >coursing through our viens, have the anti-venom in the left hand, but >refuse to >use it cause we are right handed. Seems like the body wants it....go ahead >and >get the Wand of purge and go zap crazy. Hell in the end you might save >some >memory out of the deal. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 19:51:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14976 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:51:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14972 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18690 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:51:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8VFDa02729 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:50:27 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <41fa012a.35dcc454@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:50:27 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hmm. I have nothing specific to disagree with the whole equipment thing. I'm the type of person who will spend a whole characters life using only weak ass equipment and leveling like mad and rp'ing. I sometimes luck out and get some decent equipment, but never really go off if I get killed. I know it sucks, but get over it. And the whole eq purge thing that everyones talking about... GET OFF IT! Obviously you're just jealous that someone else has equipment you want but you cant stand walking around with only your decent equipment. Sure, I was upset the other day when my thief died and lost a steel-entwined whip and a vine bracelet, but within a minutes I was back at doing what I always do, goofing around and the occasional ranking. Ah, well... Its good to vent when the world seems to be full of idiots who think they can change the world... If you got a problem, do something about it. If you do something and continue to do this, then you're a repetitive idiot and should find something better with yout time. Corey (Brohymn) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 22:04:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17355 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17351 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f45.hotmail.com [207.82.250.56]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20510 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:04:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3522 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 03:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980821030338.3521.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:03:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] A note on tone Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:03:38 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have an idea for the list... Let's put some kind of indicator to the tone of the message in the subject.. it will allow others to vent while allowing people to not have to read angry,rude,or whiny e-mails. for instance I might add the flag to some of my own posts... Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 22:32:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17602 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17598 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20897 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:18 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YTIa17153 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:31:46 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:31:46 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] zapped by equipment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Instead of being zapped by equipment perhaps you could change the message, such as for a good trying to wear an anti good peice of equipment "the purity of your soul rejects 'item'" and something similar for the other anti's. No clue why i brought this up I just think it sounds better than just plain old being zapped., what do you think? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 22:54:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18167 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:54:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18163 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:54:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21171 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-67.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.67]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28556 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DCE227.CDF79A3E@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:57:44 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota References: <19980820212926.9535.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I dunno seems like the guild system isn't the probelm here. It's the players. You're trying to fix something that's not broke here. Now maybe in the future the immortals might open the guilds, but at present it's not happening. So all should bow down to the zaping wand. And before you reply back with something else....why do you think the people are in their guilds in the first place? Cause it's SAFE! Now keeping that in mind what do you think their gonna do if their guilds aren't safe? Move to some place that is. And I'm sure the immortals aren't going to open their shrines so you can kill hoards....doesn't make sense rp or any other way. To the call of get over it, heh it's nice to know that there are people out there that don't know what's in the realms. I think you're close minded to think it doesn't matter, and I think you should explore the realms more. There are quests out there, there are some nice pieces of eq as a reward. Some eq does neat stuff. It's not jealousy, it's cool to see what all the Immortals have done with their time. If you want to go around in the game always wearing the same stuff day after day, always answer those questions, "Do you know where ....is located" with no. Then by all means more power to you. But I'm sure that the majority would like to have some unique stuff ever once and a while. And that is my point. Let's keep the stuff moving. Perhaps it won't be daily, but I sure as heck don't want it moving every once a year....sheesh. Once again I urge the wrath of the wand. I think the min. hours load is a load. And is only proposed to keep everyones mind at ease. Let's grab this problem "by the balls" and say: Hoarding is no longer acceptable. Play or delete. If you're coming around once a month for less than an hour. You can't say that you are contributing to the mud in any way. I don't care if you're housed or not. If you can't be around, some one said they can't be around all the time, I hear you. And that's why I'm not talking to you in these e-mails. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 21 01:36:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22342 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:36:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22338 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f128.hotmail.com [207.82.251.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA24185 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17148 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 06:36:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980821063624.17147.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:36:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] zapped by equipment Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:36:24 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree. I think customizing the mud's messages adds flavor and makes it more fun for everyone. >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 20 20:32:35 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17636; > Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:25 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:22 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17602 > for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:21 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17598 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:20 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20897 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:18 -0500 (CDT) >From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com >Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com > by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YTIa17153 > for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:31:46 +2000 (EDT) >Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:31:46 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] zapped by equipment >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Instead of being zapped by equipment perhaps you could change the message, >such as for a good trying to wear an anti good peice of equipment "the purity >of your soul rejects 'item'" and something similar for the other anti's. No >clue why i brought this up I just think it sounds better than just plain old >being zapped., what do you think? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 21 01:46:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA23118 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23114 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f11.hotmail.com [207.82.250.22]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA24294 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:46:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1783 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 06:45:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980821064548.1782.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:45:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:45:48 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You're advocating a system of subjectivity and oppression through superior power. I really think people would bitch less and rp more if they knew that, for instance, if they don't play a certain number of hours they lose their eq. Th "zapping wand" shouldn't be needed at all in a game of good rp. If I think a player is a problem, I wouldn't delete them, I'd cripple them in some way to rp the situation. Make it so they have double movement costs, no mana, or can't speak. Make them permanently blind. Whatever you need to do.. but rp it. Deletion isn't necessary and shouldn't necessarily be used as an end all be all to a problem player. There are worse things you can do than delete, which may fix the player and the character, and will get your point across much more clearly. > Cause it's SAFE! Now keeping that in >mind what do you think their gonna do if their guilds aren't safe? Move to >some place that is. And I'm sure the immortals aren't going to open their >shrines so you can kill hoards....doesn't make sense rp or any other way. > Well, for those who like to hide behind unrealism guilds are great. Its a nice little fluffy bunny safe place where only your guild members can attack you. Unfortunately.. it doesn't make much sense. And it allows people to sit and hide all the time. If they are unhoused you have no way to draw them out of their guilds and thus they can just sit there with all their limited eq and log in for an hour a month.. laughing at everyone in the meantime. I just think we ought to make this place a lot more realistic with the things we can make realistic.. and remove the needs for Immortals to intercede into situations concering the flow of eq. Code systems could easily take care of such things. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 21 12:09:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA06069 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:09:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06065 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03801 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:09:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-115-45.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.115.45]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27224 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DD9C54.B22EDE4F@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:12:05 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota References: <19980821064548.1782.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This is the last e-mail I'm gonna send about this. I'm sure we are all tired of hearing about it. My point. These people aren't role playing. In a game where it's required, they aren't. It's nice to think that the "wand" shouldn't be needed, but I truely believe...give some people an inch they'll try for a foot. Give them the hour minimum. I imagine, it will force people to be around. But it will also force everyone else that might not have time to be around, which I think is a big mistake. Talk about getting people upset. It would be nice if we lived in a perfect world, but unfortunately we don't. And in an such a world things must be done. That's why the immortals have rules for the mud. One of which is to roleplay. And once again my arguement is that people that log in once a month, are NOT roleplaying, are NOT contributing to the roleplaying atmosphere. You can explain all you want about the guild system or safe havens in general, but That's not what I'm talking about. The past few e-mails were my views and my views only. Once again I'll refrain from posting any more about this subject as to keep the list from becoming boring. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 21 20:01:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA28551 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:01:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28547 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:01:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13979 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:00:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust51.tnt2.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.160.51]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18963 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101bdcd68$a93ecd00$33a02299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Encumbrance and Monthly Quota Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:03:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On encumbrance...i don't think any changes are neccessary. High dex chars are limited by the weight of what they hold, while the giant-types are limited on the number of things by their dex. This works for me. On monthly quotas, like i said, i support them, but more so for RP reasons than what gear they hold. It seems that just about everybody on the list supports it in some flavor. The when and how part is tricky though, and will be sure to cause some people to be pissed. (Not that it will affect me...im a DMaholic) Immortals ... can ya let us know if this is something thats being considered, so maybe we can get off this topic? -malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 24 12:04:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28462 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:04:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28458 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28989 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-10.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.10]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03362 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E18FCA.3A7A34E1@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:07:39 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "darkmists@cs.wisc.edu" Subject: [DARKMISTS] A Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu What happen someone turn the facet off? We were flowing for a bit, then we dried up. No thoughts? I remember about 10 or better e-mails ago, we were all saying there aren't enough housed members around. How's it shaping up now? I've been seeing a lot of Valor and Legions. Few Crusaders. I don't know about outlaw but from what I hear they out number almost every house. So tell me are we picking back up now? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 02:26:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA25812 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:26:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25808 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from templar.fgi.net (root@templar.fgi.net [206.101.112.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12723 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from home.wincoinet.com ([208.130.69.178]) by templar.fgi.net (8.9.0/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA22303 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: <35E3B785.41D0@wincoinet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:21:41 -0500 From: Yancey Gregory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I dont know about the rest of you, but I think there needs to be an easier way for classes to sanc. The classes that dont learn wands or sanc itself that is. I like playing nightwalkers but at higher ranks, I always end up getting rocked. I dont like walking to those damn hobgoblins all the time, plus people are always summoning those anyway. The brass dragon orb is limited and is a pain to get unless your pretty decently high in rank. *pouts for red dragon* Some of you nightwalker veterans, how do you get along without it? I dont play classes that cant sanc that often so I may be missing something here entirely. Thanks for the help. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 03:19:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA26559 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:19:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA26555 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:19:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA13334 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA102988; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:16:19 +0300 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:16:18 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary In-Reply-To: <35E3B785.41D0@wincoinet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Yancey Gregory wrote: > I dont know about the rest of you, but I think there needs to be an > easier way for classes to sanc. The classes that dont learn wands or > sanc itself that is. I like playing nightwalkers but at higher ranks, I > always end up getting rocked. I dont like walking to those damn > hobgoblins all the time, plus people are always summoning those anyway. > The brass dragon orb is limited and is a pain to get unless your pretty > decently high in rank. *pouts for red dragon* Some of you nightwalker > veterans, how do you get along without it? I dont play classes that cant > sanc that often so I may be missing something here entirely. Thanks for > the help. > You simply find someone to sanc you :)) (if you wanna walk with sanc on you all the time of course). From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 04:12:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA27157 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27153 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:12:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA13839 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust212.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.212]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA08864 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201bdd0d2$12997b80$d49e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:15:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >I dont know about the rest of you, but I think there needs to be an >easier way for classes to sanc each class has a certain combo of skills and spells for balance. Im sure paladins would love to hide, or thieves cast disintegrate. Im sure ya see my point. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 07:47:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA03386 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03382 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:47:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16490 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-118-82.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.118.82]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12965 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E3F681.376F366E@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:50:26 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary References: <001201bdd0d2$12997b80$d49e2299@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu It's a good thing to have friends in the realms, if not friends then allies. When the need arised and you don't have something you need, in your case sanc, it's good to ask a friend how about laying a sanc on me. I'm not talking about a rl friend, but one of those people you ranked with. If you think your sanc is so dearly needed, I'd suggest gettting buddy buddy with your local cleric. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 08:19:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04748 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:19:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04744 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17058 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:18:58 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8JFJa26053 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:18:22 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu If sanctuary was easier to get than it is, you would have every just about every warrior with the resistance of a crusader. A spell as powerful as this one can offset the whole balance of the clases, if the immortals decided to give necromancers sanc without thinking of what would result all we would see would be necros with several level 60 sanced charmies that already can hit demolish. Everything is carefully thought out so that there arn't such huge power imbalances. If your class doesn't get sanctuary, then there is a reason for that. All sanc is when you think about it is a spell that doubles hit points for mages, who have about half the hit points of a warrior to start. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 15:08:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA28475 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28459 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:08:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28565 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:08:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8AAa016535 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11c60dc.35e46b15@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:07:46 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-08-26 03:26:30 EDT, you write: << Some of you nightwalker veterans, how do you get along without it? >> Dont bother with long fights if you can. Just evil eye the crap out of someone until they're dead. Or get a good friend that can summon or gate to the hobgoblins. Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 15:35:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00372 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00367 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:35:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.81]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29228 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jwang@localhost) by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01233 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Wang X-Sender: jwang@bookworm To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary In-Reply-To: <11c60dc.35e46b15@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu If you're one of the few people who have predominately played classes that don't ahve sanc, you find numerous ways. Best way is to find someone who can. There are a LOT of people on dm who can sanc, I'm sure finding one you know won't be terribly difficult. If you don't want hobgoblins, that's just a personal choice. One bad thing about hobgoblins, if someone sleeps/jacks you, they can wait it out before they do some nasty stuff. There are numerous (brass dragon, gold dragon) orbs that can be got. They are limited though. There are some scrolls that give sanctuary too. A paladin in Myth Drannor has one (divine intervention or protection or something?). An even better solution, find an Archmage you are buddies with... get some potions brewed. If you want sanc, it's not hard to get it. You just need to know some people or just stick with the simple stuff. jim (that comes from only a year or two of experience. if someone knows better, i'd like to know as well) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 17:38:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07181 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07177 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f123.hotmail.com [207.82.251.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA01934 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:38:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1150 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1998 22:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980826223750.1149.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.7.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:37:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.7.8] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Paths, Honor, and Justifications Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:37:50 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings! It is my prayer that all is well with you and your family. Upon reading several of these mailings I believe i might bring a question to you all and see what comes from it. First: It is my belief that even though the code does not require non thieves or monks to offer a duel, that if one of the Knights of the Crusades be of the light and he just attack an archmage of the Light then that is bad roleplaying in the fact that even though you are a crusader and distain magic we are not to be ruled by hate if you be of the light.... Therefore I propose an amendment to the code requireing total roleplaying in thus manner...if it were any case other than crusaders and a light attacked a light they would be disciplined..... What do you think? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 20:09:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13519 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:09:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13515 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f73.hotmail.com [207.82.250.159]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04926 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17813 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 1998 01:09:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980827010917.17812.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:09:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] sanctuary Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:09:16 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu What I have found to do the trick (even if you don't have the wands skill) are white wands. They still work one of every 3 to 5 times.. Which means they can be used extensively as a preparation tool. Although they aren't quick like the potions, you can buy them till your bogged down with weight and just use them as you need them.. I know this is not a bug as well, for Immortals have been questioned about it and they told me it was supposed to be that way. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 22:21:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17618 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:21:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17614 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:21:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07011 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:21:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust146.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.146]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA12433 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000201bdd16a$1fd47dc0$92a22299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Paths, Honor, and Justifications Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:59:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > that if one of the Knights of the >Crusades be of the light and he just attack an archmage of the Light >then that is bad roleplaying in the fact that even though you are a >crusader and distain magic There is much more to roleplay than good vs evil. For those who focus just on that, theres House Life or Ancient. If law vs. chaos is you main roleplay, theres Outlaw or Enforcer. The Crusader v. ArchMage roleplay is magic vs non-magic. If the whole realm was just good vs. evil, it be pretty dull. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Aug 26 23:22:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18865 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:22:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18861 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:22:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.35]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07937 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:22:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ian2.rh.ncsu.edu (wood-056-063.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.56.63]) by cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/US19Dec96) with ESMTP id AAA15280 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808270422.AAA15280@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> From: "Ian" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Paths, Honor, and Justifications Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:26:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > There is much more to roleplay than good vs evil. For those who focus just > on that, theres House Life or Ancient. If law vs. chaos is you main > roleplay, theres Outlaw or Enforcer. The Crusader v. ArchMage roleplay is > magic vs non-magic. If the whole realm was just good vs. evil, it be pretty > dull. Well, it is true that basic idea of Crusader/Aracana is Magic vs. non-magic. But if as an individual you only rp that one ascept of life then you are missing out. True all of life isn't about good vs. evil but that idea is there and it can not be ignored especially if you are a "Good" Crusader. For example, a "Good" Crusader would not or at least the way I see it Should not attack any other person who follows the Light. That is just one of the basic ideas of being a follower of the Light. Now, in a Crusaders case he might try and turn those he associates with away from Magic, by showing them the sheer prowess a True Warrior possess' or something like that, but he shouldn't just go around slaying any and every mage completly ignoring what path they follow. Well, that is just how I see it, thanks for your time. Ian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 27 20:51:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14163 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:51:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.6]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14159 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:51:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (jwa@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25625 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jwa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA14600; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Abraham Subject: [DARKMISTS] a question To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <199808270422.AAA15280@cc00ms.unity.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu if an enforcer is marked a rebel, can legions attack the enforcer in protected places, and not receieve a flag? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Aug 28 07:40:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA29860 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:40:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29856 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:40:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11407 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:40:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 8RTQa24618 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27b8d610.35e6a510@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:39:44 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu There was an amendment to the laws: And Knight of Legion may attack a Rebel in protected areas without being flagged a Criminal by Enforcers. In other words: Legion's got influence in the Enforcer house. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 16:49:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA01827 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:48:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01823 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:48:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f73.hotmail.com [207.82.250.159]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA27330 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3008 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Aug 1998 21:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19980830214825.3007.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.7.20.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:48:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.7.20.59] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:48:25 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I just want so say that I think that it is bs that enforcer had this crap thrown on them. The least the Imms could have done was make it a mortals decision to make enforcer .. like basically tell the leader to make the house a subset of legion and to tailor the laws.. but instead they took it totally outside the realm of role playing and just changed everything without any player involvement. Legion should not have started out with Enforcer support, they should have earned it.. or atleast the appearearance that they earned it should have been important. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 22:38:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08273 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:38:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08269 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01023 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:38:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-113-51.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.113.51]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11884 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EA0D62.69CA35F9@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:41:39 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Jim Abraham wrote: > if an enforcer is marked a rebel, can legions attack the enforcer in > protected places, and not receieve a flag? To answer the question...if it happened, yeah. But we all know that Enforcer as a house is neutral in all ways, save Outlaw. So the said situation is highly unlikely. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 22:52:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08473 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08469 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:52:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f149.hotmail.com [207.82.251.28]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01167 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:52:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14738 invoked by uid 65534); 31 Aug 1998 03:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19980831035129.14737.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.170.88.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:51:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.170.88.6] From: "mike johnson" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] dm Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:51:29 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well.. I'll first off by saying that dm was fun, I remember the days where there was tons of action, and everyone had a ball. Now the immortals just wanna run everything, and don't give a fuck what we think. Today something very interesting happened the immortals decided to deny all my chars, but couldn't give me a reason. Kinda funny, the immortal transf'd me 3 different times in and out of the realm of the dead then finially just denied, all three of the times he figured he was wrong, so he put me back I guess that the total dm population of 18 people so too much so they gotta get rid of some. Now, why I think this mud went to shit, other then the dickhead immortals was because they have to fun it and by this they have to have there own mortals in there house as leaders and with there brands.. kinda gay but its how it so, so we gotta live with it. I'm kinda pissed that I didn't get a reason for my deny. I mean right now, dm is looking bad as it is, then to start denying people without reason, I wrote here so that maybe whoever denied me can explain why, and don't lie about it. incase you care, some of my chars were.. cedez, ezeten, katoniz, shivra, and some others ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 23:09:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09119 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09115 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01427 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Dielantha@aol.com Received: from Dielantha@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 8WLIa24519 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c707e4b.35ea21e0@aol.com>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:09:04 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Then let me come forward and say I denied you, i denied for many reasons. You want the reasons. I have logs and logs and logs of you as all your characters setting up ooc eq swaps, ooc pkills, ooc this that and the other thing. When do you rolplay? Tonight you had Mecbath tracing a criminal you wanted to kill, the infgo was all ooc, isaw it with my own eyes. Now you say dm is going to shit, but man, because of people like you, it goes to shit. People come here to rp, and yet you set up your kills your eq swaps all ooc. I recall many immortals warning you over and over, even you said alot. But all these times we let you go, we gave you another chance. Well the road stops here, this was your last chance. If you don't like it i am sorry, but it had to be done.. This response is my own response and was not discussed with the pantheon before the posting. If you have a problem with me denying you, then email me personally and i'll be happy to deal with it.. Dielantha From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 00:41:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA13161 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13157 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02590 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wirikidor (shelby-36.shelby.net [207.201.214.36]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01671 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdd4a1$ecf8e680$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:40:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I would like to add something. I am constantly told by the regular players of DM that cheaters are never caught. Of course not all punishments are made public, though you decided to make yours well known. Many a discussion I've had about mindless pking, switching chars to pk someone in your other chars range, or because you can't use your legion to kill a criminal, you have to use your enforcer, and then switch back when the timer comes back. Then you're caught oocing about eq swapping between your own chars, and you blame DM going to hell on the Gods. You are a prime example of a true hoarder, someone who gets a hold of tons of eq, and not only doesn't share it, but passes it on to his other chars. And what immortal has their own mortal leading their own house? Duh, zero. Mortal leadership of a house is the closest thing the mortals get to real power and with house decisions, and the game is made for the players, the REAL players, not the cheaters. Then again you are probably one of the people who think immortals shouldn't have mortal characters. We can run the game but can't play it, is that it? I would have sent this privately, but I thought it touched a subject a lot of people are interested in. Cheaters get punished, hoarders get punished. Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 04:49:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA15202 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA15198 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA05617 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-117-105.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.117.105]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24353 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EA6458.2EEAE854@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:52:41 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] a question References: <19980830214825.3007.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Xialinin Zo'xzin wrote: > I just want so say that I think that it is bs that enforcer had this > crap thrown on them. Cut me a lil slack? Give me a few weeks, maybe just maybe the house will shape up. Remember though I can't do anything rp-wise or anything else, unless I have players applying. I know a few are ranted that my "elite" aren't that good. I can only say I'm sorry that we aren't living up to your expectations, but if I inducted no one. That would be like....hrm a house full of no one. I can't say that in a few weeks we'll have the house of old back again. I can't promise things like that, but give me a few weeks maybe, just maybe the ones that are around now, that don't know what's going, will learn. I said it before and I'm a believer, that above all else experience will do more for you. So go out into the realms explore, talk to others, and play. As for the bit about Legion? You play with the cards you are delt. And I plan to, so give me some time, I'm not exactly holding a royal flush in hand. on another subject: The abuse of power by Mecbath was uncalled for. If I had seen that, you'd have been out on your ear, maybe a lil faster than you were. A hint for the future: When it's said that RP is mandatory.....We mean it. Malistien From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 14:09:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05739 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05731 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f209.hotmail.com [207.82.251.100]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA17904 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26348 invoked by uid 65534); 31 Aug 1998 19:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980831190836.26347.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.170.88.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:08:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.170.88.11] From: "mike johnson" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:08:35 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 22:41:31 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA13195; > Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:26 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:22 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA13161 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:21 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13157 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:19 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02590 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:41:18 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from wirikidor (shelby-36.shelby.net [207.201.214.36]) > by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP > id BAA01671 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:41:15 -0400 >Message-ID: <001801bdd4a1$ecf8e680$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> >From: "Tim Whitaker" >To: >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:40:28 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I would like to add something. > >I am constantly told by the regular players of DM that cheaters are >never caught. Of course not all punishments are made public, though >you decided to make yours well known. Many a discussion I've had >about mindless pking, switching chars to pk someone in your other >chars range, or because you can't use your legion to kill a criminal, >you have to use your enforcer, and then switch back when the timer >comes back. Then you're caught oocing about eq swapping between >your own chars, and you blame DM going to hell on the Gods. You >are a prime example of a true hoarder, someone who gets a hold of >tons of eq, and not only doesn't share it, but passes it on to his other >chars. And what immortal has their own mortal leading their own >house? Duh, zero. Mortal leadership of a house is the closest thing >the mortals get to real power and with house decisions, and the game >is made for the players, the REAL players, not the cheaters. Then >again you are probably one of the people who think immortals shouldn't >have mortal characters. We can run the game but can't play it, is that >it? > >I would have sent this privately, but I thought it touched a subject a lot >of people are interested in. Cheaters get punished, hoarders get >punished. > >Xeo First off, i never fricking swamped equipment, even dielantra tried to deny me for that, but once he saw i didnt, he couldnt, im sick of this bullshit accusing, if i did SWAMP EQUIPMENT im sure i would of been denied for it. Don't play like imms dont have mortals who run there houses.. i dont feel like listning all the names, i think i mainly got denied for killing kethera and hades with browyn, everyone knows it xyza and hades is on his nut sack. As for immortals having mortals,. i dont give a fuvck, just fucking rp them, that elementalist enforcer that started at hero is bullshit, and i quit dm cuz of stpid bullshit like that, you make up stuff i cheat, but then you go and make hero chars and give them nice shit, its so stupid. and dm might of went to hell because of people like me, but i didnt do anything wrong, and its the immortals that are wrecking dm, and im gonna laugh when dm dies just cuz you guys are power hungry fucks and got whats comming ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 14:22:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06568 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06564 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.hotmail.com [207.82.250.200]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA18238 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26345 invoked by uid 65534); 31 Aug 1998 19:21:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980831192131.26344.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.170.88.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:21:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.170.88.11] From: "mike johnson" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:21:31 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Aug 30 21:10:08 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09153; > Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:50 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:46 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09119 > for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:45 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09115 > for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:44 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01427 > for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:09:43 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dielantha@aol.com >Received: from Dielantha@aol.com > by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 8WLIa24519 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:09:04 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <8c707e4b.35ea21e0@aol.com>> >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:09:04 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Then let me come forward and say I denied you, i denied for many reasons. You >want the reasons. I have logs and logs and logs of you as all your characters >setting up ooc eq swaps, ooc pkills, ooc this that and the other thing. When >do you rolplay? Tonight you had Mecbath tracing a criminal you wanted to kill, >the infgo was all ooc, isaw it with my own eyes. Now you say dm is going to >shit, but man, because of people like you, it goes to shit. People come here >to rp, and yet you set up your kills your eq swaps all ooc. I recall many >immortals warning you over and over, even you said alot. But all these times >we let you go, we gave you another chance. Well the road stops here, this was >your last chance. If you don't like it i am sorry, but it had to be done.. > >This response is my own response and was not discussed with the pantheon >before the posting. If you have a problem with me denying you, then email me >personally and i'll be happy to deal with it.. > >Dielantha heh, like it matters now, anyways you know that was all bullshit because you transfered me 3 times, before you denied me, you let me go once i explained it, i dont care i got denied, you just really dont have a reason for it, and its fine because dm bores me now anyways.. i never swamped equipment, and how do i ooc to set up kills? I mean come on, every immortal has a different story, so it shows your all bullshiiting.. but its okey.. i dont care, me and you know its bs and you just denied me cuz of ketherea ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 14:38:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07469 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07465 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18732 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:37 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8HJRa18399 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:38:01 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This is not the place for all this, a lot people knew you were a cheater, and are glad your gone, and don't feel like listening to you rant and rave because you finally got caught, and then blaming it on completely irrelivant things. I don't beleive anyone feels like hearing you make absurd accusations at the IMMS who did the right thing. Dielantha said to reply personally because he knows this is not what this list is for, why not listen? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 14:42:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07651 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:42:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07647 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18853 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:42:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (spruce.truserve.com [208.142.211.96]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29039 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808311941.OAA29039@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:41:31 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial In-Reply-To: <19980831192131.26344.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Swapping not Swamp...Would you like me to post an entire OOC conversation you had with Mirok about trading equipment with other charecters? You would like to think that you didn't cheat, but you did. Take some responsibility for your actions. There was a call from several immortals (not including myself or Xyza) for some sort of action against you the time I had you down for Switching charecters to get into certain peoples pk range. Or from the time that you used trace to locate a criminal with an enforcer charecter so that you could kill them with another charecter. You know you cheated, We know you cheated, take some blame for your actions. Give it a rest. Adorno >First off, i never fricking swamped equipment, even dielantra tried to >deny me for that, but once he saw i didnt, he couldnt, im sick of this >bullshit accusing, if i did SWAMP EQUIPMENT im sure i would of been >denied for it. Don't play like imms dont have mortals who run there >houses.. i dont feel like listning all the names, i think i mainly got >denied for killing kethera and hades with browyn, everyone knows it xyza >and hades is on his nut sack. >As for immortals having mortals,. i dont give a fuvck, just fucking rp >them, that elementalist enforcer that started at hero is bullshit, and i >quit dm cuz of stpid bullshit like that, you make up stuff i cheat, but >then you go and make hero chars and give them nice shit, its so stupid. >and dm might of went to hell because of people like me, but i didnt do >anything wrong, and its the immortals that are wrecking dm, and im gonna >laugh when dm dies just cuz you guys are power hungry fucks and got >whats comming >heh, like it matters now, anyways you know that was all bullshit because >you transfered me 3 times, before you denied me, you let me go once i >explained it, i dont care i got denied, you just really dont have a >reason for it, and its fine because dm bores me now anyways.. i never >swamped equipment, and how do i ooc to set up kills? I mean come on, >every immortal has a different story, so it shows your all >bullshiiting.. but its okey.. i dont care, me and you know its bs and >you just denied me cuz of ketherea From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 19:30:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23410 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23406 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA25821 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11828 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Sep 1998 00:29:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901002927.11827.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.170.88.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:29:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.170.88.6] From: "mike johnson" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:29:27 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 12:38:56 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA07507; > Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:45 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:41 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07469 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:40 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07465 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:38 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18732 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:38:37 -0500 (CDT) >From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com >Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com > by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 8HJRa18399 > for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:38:01 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > > This is not the place for all this, a lot people knew you were a cheater, and >are glad your gone, and don't feel like listening to you rant and rave because >you finally got caught, and then blaming it on completely irrelivant things. >I don't beleive anyone feels like hearing you make absurd accusations at the >IMMS who did the right thing. > Dielantha said to reply personally because he knows this is not what this >list is for, why not listen? Yeah I'm a HUGE cheater, first off who the fuck are you to judge me? If I did cheat I woulda got denied a long time ago, I didn't even get denied for trading equipment or anyhting like that, it was for talking ooc.. I earned my equipment, and im sorry if your jellous or mad because I killed you. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 31 23:43:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA04414 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04398 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00553 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:43:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-74.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.74]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16567 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EB6DEE.5B17B644@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:45:52 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dm and Denial References: <19980901002927.11827.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think it's time to remind everyone even Mike that when school lets out people go home. Some can't play but love to keep their hard work on ice. Thus you have Xyza's note saying if you want to keep your character over the summer, send me a note. Gryleth....who was he? Leader of Crusader. You remember him? Of course you do. He was visible a lot and that's why we know him. Others that seem to be "poping up" Hell man think! It's the same thing only now you're finnally seeing them. The elementalist you speak of...If I remember correctly he's been around just before Xenith's death. Back when Centalon was around. When Rasten was kicking the evils around. Just because you don't know them don't assume we are all a bunch of cheaters that decide to be (race) (class) today and up them to hero. I think the Immortals have more respect that to do that. Anyways, I didn't mean to stray but I did. I meant to tell everyone to be aware that people ARE coming back from summer break. There will be a few people you haven't seen in a while. I don't know how many people took advantage of Xyza's offer but I think you should know it's out there.