From gmarx@crl.com Sun Nov 24 09:39:18 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA20968 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:39:14 -0600 Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25076 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:39:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from crl8.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA15112 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:40:03 -0800 Received: by crl8.crl.com id AA03754 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for bucky ); Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:30:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: George Marx To: bucky Subject: Dayne's Future? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Assuming that Dayne will not turn professional after this year (likely I assume), assume next year that the Badgers fumble around as they did this year finishing somewhere between 4-7 and 6-5 - assume losses to Michigan, NW (sigh), PSU, Iowa + and Dayne - gains - 1600-2000 yards, being 2/3 or more of our offense. What possible incentive would he have to consider coming back for a Junior Year? I would think that the Badgers (e.g. Alvarez) can only hope to have Dayne for at least three years - if there is a realistic hope of a banner season in 1998. So in 1997 - if we have "the Great Dayne" and little else, we'll be asking in 1998 - for likely joining the "bottom" teams in the League - without Dayne and then Alvarez might be looking for another job. "promote" Childress to some ceremonial title - else self-destruction seems evident. I have to think and hope that Alvarez is smart enough to see this and know that he needs to re-build the offense with a new coordinator (+ our defense of course). I have to think that our "huge line" ain't going to cut it next year! Go Badgers! George Marx, Class of '73, Alameda, California From spencer@suba.com Sun Nov 24 10:28:04 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA00176 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:27:58 -0600 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25294 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:27:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial04.suba.com (dial04.suba.com [198.87.202.131]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA02498 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:27:48 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961124173700.230774ec@mail.suba.com> X-Sender: spencer@mail.suba.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:37:00 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: spencer Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? At 07:30 AM 11/24/96 -0800, you wrote: >Assuming that Dayne will not turn professional after this year (likely I >assume), assume next year that the Badgers fumble around as they did this >year finishing somewhere between 4-7 and 6-5 - assume losses to Michigan, >NW (sigh), PSU, Iowa + > >and Dayne - gains - 1600-2000 yards, being 2/3 or more of our offense. > >What possible incentive would he have to consider coming back for a >Junior Year? > >I would think that the Badgers (e.g. Alvarez) can only hope to have Dayne >for at least three years - if there is a realistic hope of a banner >season in 1998. > >So in 1997 - if we have "the Great Dayne" and little else, we'll be >asking in 1998 - for likely joining the "bottom" teams in the League - >without Dayne and then Alvarez might be looking for another job. > >"promote" Childress to some ceremonial title - else self-destruction >seems evident. I have to think and hope that Alvarez is smart enough to >see this and know that he needs to re-build the offense with a new >coordinator (+ our defense of course). > >I have to think that our "huge line" ain't going to cut it next year! > >Go Badgers! George Marx, Class of '73, Alameda, California > > > As one of the eternal optimists on the list :), I don't see us having a one-dimensional offense next year. I think the addition of talent at TE will make a huge difference to both the running game and passing game. The redshirt freshman Solwold was supposedly one of the top 10 Tight Ends in the country coming out of high school. Plus the return of Sondrup should definitely shore up not only our blocking but our short-yardage/ball-control passing ability. I think our younger talent at WR will have a huge impact in that we might have receivers who can run other than fly patterns. This year IMO is eerily/re-assuringly similar to 1992. Not quite all the pieces in place, close losses, etc, etc. The big difference is we should make a bowl this year (unlike '92). The team will definitely be hungry for more and will have a painful season of learning under their belt. Someone pondered a week or two earlier about what incentive did the team have to stick around Madison next summer and work out together. Well, I think suffering frustrating losses when you think you've maxed out your potential is one thing. Suffering a frustrating season when you think the best is yet to come is a lot of incentive to never repeat that kind of pain (i.e. PSU, OSU, NU, IOWA). They just need to believe (as I do) that the best is yet to come. Spencer From BadgerRoy@aol.com Sun Nov 24 12:07:27 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA01925 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:07:22 -0600 Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26134 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:07:21 -0600 (CST) From: BadgerRoy@aol.com Received: by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08413 for Bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:06:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <961124130650_1917379612@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Disturbing quote The Sunday November 24, 1996 Daily Herald (Chicago) has an article written Bob Logan regarding the Notre Dame job situation. The article has a quote from Barry Alvarez which is very disturbing. The exact text of the article is as follows: ___________________________________________ Another rejected candidate, Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, was not among the final four contenders. "It's disappointing, but I understand the situation," Alvarez said. "We are having trouble [at Wisconsin] keeping on the right track." __________________________________________ This quote is disturbing for several reasons. First, you wonder why Barry is so disappointed unless he really wants out of Wisconsin. He has generally said he wants to stay but you have to wonder with this quote. Second, it is troubling that Barry is announcing to the world, the program, the players that we are having trouble keeping on track. Obviously, we want him to recognize the problems but I would rather have him correct everything than make such announcements. Am I overreacting? Let me know what you guys think of this quote!! From bstapleton@madison.k12.wi.us Sun Nov 24 12:19:56 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA02067 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:19:51 -0600 Received: from wisc.edu (wisc.edu [128.104.30.27]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26211 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:19:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by wisc.edu; id AA14182; 5.57/37; Sun, 24 Nov 96 12:28:28 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:25:19 -0500 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: bstapleton@madison.k12.wi.us (Ben Stapleton) Subject: Best/Worst Plays Ever & Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play I wasn't at this game in '84. I was watching it on TV kicking myself for not going. Beautiful sunny day, the crowd was going nuts. I always thought this play was known as the "Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play" because that was the school we supposedly stole it from. With about a minute to go in the Illinois game, and the ball near midfield, Randy Wright threw a one-hop lateral to Al Toon in the left flat, right in front of section R. They practiced that hop quite a bit, because it went straight into Toon's arms on a nice, casual bounce. Toon acted like the play was over, then whipped it down the sideline to the streaking (?) TE Jeff Nault who was 5 yards behind Illinois' last defender. The crowd went nuts, the Badgers went nuts, they miss the point after, Illinois shreds our D on the ensuing possession and kicks the FG for the win. So now I'm wondering about the 10, er um 15, Greatest Plays in Badger Football, in no particular order. Since I'm not too good before 1980, I'll just do what I can remember. Can someone help me out? 15. Pat Richter hires Barry Alvarez, offseason 1989. 14. Failed 2pt conversion by Michigan State on the last play of the game, 1984. 13. Unverzagt crushing Michigan QB (Dreisbach?) in 1995, setting the tone as the Badgers win there for the first time since the Paleolithic Age. 12. Melvin Tucker's bone - and ball - jarring hit on a Gopher in the end zone on the Gophers' final possession in 1991, preserving Alvarez's first road win. 11. Wendell Gladem's 50 yard field goal to end the half vs. Ohio State 1981, perhaps the loudest any outdoor stadium has ever been. 10. Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play, vs. Illinois 1982. 9. Jeff Messenger's one-armed INT/No Defensive Pass Interference, vs. Michigan 1993. 8. Darrell Bevell's TD Run, Rose Bowl vs. UCLA 1994. 7. Final defensive stand vs. Ohio State 1985(?). In the snow, on 4th and 10, Ohio State passes to Keith Byars who is dropped after gaining 9 1/2 yards. 6. Ron Dayne commits to Wisconsin, offseason 1995. 5. Long TD run by Larry Canada (?), vs. South Dakota 1976. I'm putting this one here because that's the first Badger TD I really remember. 4. Final defensive stand, Rose Bowl vs. UCLA 1994. 3. Jeff Messenger's (?) INT for a Touchdown, Hall of Fame Bowl vs. Duke 1995 2. Jim Melka's blocked punt for winning TD on last play, vs. Purdue 1982 (?) 1. John Williams taking screen pass from Jess Cole 70 yards down the right sideline for the winning TD vs. Michigan in 1981. Ten Worst Badger Football Plays since 1980 (in no order) 10. Blocked FG on last play, vs. Ohio State 1993 9. Blocked FG on last play, vs. Iowa 1992 8. Fumble late in 4th quarter vs. Northwestern 1996 7. TD pass given up late in 4th quarter vs. Northwestern 1996 6. Halfback Option pass to Randy Wright goes incomplete, Wright injured, vs. Iowa 1981 5. Fumble by Chucky Davis while diving into the end zone late in the 4th quarter, vs. Indiana 1980 (?) 4. TD given up late in 4th quarter, vs. Kentucky (?) in Independence Bowl (?) 1985 (?) 3. Kickoff return given up for a TD, vs. Northern Illinois 1988 (?). Though this play doesn't have much real significance, it emphasizes Badger ineptitude throughout the Morton era. 2. Winning TD pass given up late in 4th quarter to Stanley (?), vs. Ohio State 1996. 1. Passing of Dave McClain, offseason 1986. >I was at that game. As I recall, Wisconsin scored the touchdown on the >bounce pass with ~1:00 left in the game to take a 2 point lead. The crowd >was going crazy. We missed the extra point. > >However, the Illini drove down the field in the remaining minute and kicked >the winning FG as time ran out. > > >Kurt > >>> > Anyone thing the Al Toon pass is old enough to use again? :) >>> > >>> > Remember, the current players were from about 3-7 years old when it >>> > happened. >>> >>> For the sake of us youngsters, what was the Al Toon play? >> >>I just realized nobody responded to this. It was essentially a >>flea-flicker, but the lateral was made on one hop. Toon acted >>perfectly nonchalant as the caught the ball, started walking slowly >>toward the previous spot of the ball (as though the play were dead), >>then turned and fired to Jeff Nautt (sp?) in the end zone. It was in >>the early 80's; I believe against Illinois. >> Ben Stapleton "That's Mr. Hogue to you" :-) Madison Metropolitan School District http://rodan.madison.k12.wi.us/ben/ Microcomputing Technician bstapleton@madison.k12.wi.us "Either I'm dead or my watch has stopped." -last words of Groucho Marx WISCONSIN 35, Illinois 15 Big10 University vs. Wisconsin this year Consequence ---------------- ----------------------- ----------- Indiana Did Not Play Fired coach anyway Purdue Lost 33-25 Coach resigned after game Minnesota Lost 45-28 Coach resigned after game Illinois Lost 35-15 Fired head coach before we could get to him From manuvir@cs.wisc.edu Sun Nov 24 14:00:42 1996 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.75.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA02906 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:00:37 -0600 Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19149; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:00:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611242000.OAA19149@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> To: gmarx@crl.com cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:30:50 PST." Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:00:30 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >Assuming that Dayne will not turn professional after this year (likely I >assume), assume next year that the Badgers fumble around as they did this >year finishing somewhere between 4-7 and 6-5 - assume losses to Michigan, >NW (sigh), PSU, Iowa + > >and Dayne - gains - 1600-2000 yards, being 2/3 or more of our offense. > >What possible incentive would he have to consider coming back for a >Junior Year? In order to be considered in the 1998 draft (following his sophomore year) Dayne would have to take the NFL to court. Current NFL rules prohibit any college players with less than Junior status (however they determine that) at some earlier date to enter the draft. I am not sure about the exact technicalities of the rule. The last college player to try this was Tamarick Vanover at FSU. He decided not to sue and ended up playing in the CFL for one year. The following year he signed as a free agent with the Chiefs. All of a sudden NFL people started talking about this sensation who appeared out of nowhere (the CFL). The real story was that he went to the CFL only because he wanted to earn some money to support his family, which was in dire straits at the time. This issue has come up more recently (Peyton Manning, Orlando Pace, Troy Davis). All these players chose to stay in school after their sophomore years. - Manuvir From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Sun Nov 24 14:24:14 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA03538 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:23:59 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27192 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:23:56 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDA13.09468170@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:23:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: "BadgerRoy@aol.com" , Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: RE: Disturbing quote Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:22:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frankly, it sounds like the answer to a leading question calculated to obtain a quotable response. I wouldn't get too worked up over it. Moreover, I don't think there's anything wrong with a coach being disappointed he wasn't on the true short list for the premiere college coaching position. Don't get me wrong -- I can't stand ND, but I'm a realist, and that's considered the pinnacle. As for saying we're not on track, I'm glad to hear that kind of objectivity from Barry, because he's right. Maybe it will give him the resolve to make the changes needed to get us back on the right track. Bottom line: IMHO Barry Alvarez will be UW's coach for years to come. ---------- From: BadgerRoy@aol.com To: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Disturbing quote Date: Sunday, November 24, 1996 12:06PM The Sunday November 24, 1996 Daily Herald (Chicago) has an article written Bob Logan regarding the Notre Dame job situation. The article has a quote from Barry Alvarez which is very disturbing. The exact text of the article is as follows: ___________________________________________ Another rejected candidate, Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, was not among the final four contenders. "It's disappointing, but I understand the situation," Alvarez said. "We are having trouble [at Wisconsin] keeping on the right track." __________________________________________ This quote is disturbing for several reasons. First, you wonder why Barry is so disappointed unless he really wants out of Wisconsin. He has generally said he wants to stay but you have to wonder with this quote. Second, it is troubling that Barry is announcing to the world, the program, the players that we are having trouble keeping on track. Obviously, we want him to recognize the problems but I would rather have him correct everything than make such announcements. Am I overreacting? Let me know what you guys think of this quote!! From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Sun Nov 24 14:30:54 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA03614 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:30:50 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27234 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:30:49 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDA13.FFF23DC0@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:30:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: "bstapleton@madison.k12.wi.us" , Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: RE: Best/Worst Plays Ever & Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:29:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'd have to rate Bevell's Rose Bowl td the best play ever, but Williams' td against Michigan would be a close second. At third, I'd say the td catch and run in 1974 by, I think, Jeff Mack, sending the Badgers to a 21-20 win over Nebraska. That was the last time we played 'em, folks, and they've been too scared to come back to Camp Randall ever since! And as for the worst, damn I wish there weren't so many good candidates! ---------- 4. Final defensive stand, Rose Bowl vs. UCLA 1994. 3. Jeff Messenger's (?) INT for a Touchdown, Hall of Fame Bowl vs. Duke 1995 2. Jim Melka's blocked punt for winning TD on last play, vs. Purdue 1982 (?) 1. John Williams taking screen pass from Jess Cole 70 yards down the right sideline for the winning TD vs. Michigan in 1981. ..... Ten Worst Badger Football Plays since 1980 (in no order) From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Sun Nov 24 14:38:37 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA03750 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:38:30 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27279; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:38:29 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDA15.11913D00@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:37:50 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: Bucky Badger s Followers , Manuvir Das Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:32:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Being a true Badger fan (I didn't say smart, just true) I think we'll be a better team next year, so I don't think Ron Dayne will have any thought of leaving early. Hell, he seems like the type of kid who might just want to be the NCAA's all-time leading rusher, and he could be! On a related topic, Dayne's emergence is not likely to make it easy to recruit great receivers, is it? ---------- From: Manuvir Das To: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? Date: Sunday, November 24, 1996 2:00PM >Assuming that Dayne will not turn professional after this year (likely I >assume), assume next year that the Badgers fumble around as they did this >year finishing somewhere between 4-7 and 6-5 - assume losses to Michigan, >NW (sigh), PSU, Iowa + > >and Dayne - gains - 1600-2000 yards, being 2/3 or more of our offense. > >What possible incentive would he have to consider coming back for a >Junior Year? In order to be considered in the 1998 draft (following his sophomore year) Dayne would have to take the NFL to court. Current NFL rules prohibit any college players with less than Junior status (however they determine that) at some earlier date to enter the draft. I am not sure about the exact technicalities of the rule. The last college player to try this was Tamarick Vanover at FSU. He decided not to sue and ended up playing in the CFL for one year. The following year he signed as a free agent with the Chiefs. All of a sudden NFL people started talking about this sensation who appeared out of nowhere (the CFL). The real story was that he went to the CFL only because he wanted to earn some money to support his family, which was in dire straits at the time. This issue has come up more recently (Peyton Manning, Orlando Pace, Troy Davis). All these players chose to stay in school after their sophomore years. - Manuvir From jon@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Sun Nov 24 14:57:03 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA04016 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:56:49 -0600 Received: from intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu (intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu [128.210.13.30]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27438 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:56:39 -0600 (CST) Received: by intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA00370; Sun, 24 Nov 96 16:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9611242106.AA00370@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3risc (Enhance 2.0b5) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: Jon Haveman Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 16:06:06 -0500 To: bucky@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? Reply-To: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu References: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 RE: "Re: Dayne's Future? " "Francis W. Deisinger" wrote: > Being a true Badger fan (I didn't say smart, just true) I think we'll be > a better team next year, so I don't think Ron Dayne will have any > thought of leaving early. Hell, he seems like the type of kid who might > just want to be the NCAA's all-time leading rusher, and he could be! I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave after 3 years, but staying for 4 doesn't seem out of character. (Assuming the picture of his character painted is accurate....) Btw, he needs 93 yards next week to top Walker for the freshman rushing record and 140 to lead the big ten in yds/game. (He is currently 1/10 of a yard behind Autry.) > On a related topic, Dayne's emergence is not likely to make it easy to > recruit great receivers, is it? Interesting observation. --- Jon Haveman http://intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu/ Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 742-7961 (Home) From wagnersl@norand.com Sun Nov 24 17:05:21 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA05038 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:05:09 -0600 Received: from cesium.norand.com (cesium.norand.com [136.179.160.16]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28470 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:05:07 -0600 (CST) From: wagnersl@norand.com Received: from smtpgate.norand.com (smtpgate.norand.com [136.179.64.252]) by cesium.norand.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13450 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:04:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgate.norand.com id AA848884043; Sun, 24 Nov 96 17:05:25 CDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 17:05:25 CDT Message-Id: <9610248488.AA848884043@smtpgate.norand.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re[2]: Dayne's Future? Fran wrote: >On a related topic, Dayne's emergence is not likely to make it easy to >recruit great receivers, is it? Good observation, but for Ron's sake I sure hope Barry is able to develop some semblance of a passing game. Barry was worried about McC taking too much of the load last year, and he's developing the same problem this year with Dayne... Shawn From morse@globaldialog.com Sun Nov 24 19:43:34 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA06317 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:43:29 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29543 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from s02g.globaldialog.com (s02g.globaldialog.com [156.46.217.98]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21174 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:43:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:43:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611250143.TAA21174@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dayne's Future? >Barry was worried about McC taking too >much of the load last year, and he's developing the same problem this >year with Dayne... Yeah, that hasn't escaped my notice, either. I was particularly pleased to see Stecker get his huge gainer in the closing minutes at Illinois, not only because I've always liked Stecker, but also because I think it's true that two alternating backs with sharply contrasting styles can really screw up a defense, just like Moss & Fletcher did. The D gets themselves braced and anchored to hit the D-train, and then along comes an elusive, fleet-footed darter who just runs around 'em. I hope we see a lot more of that in the future, and starting vs. our bowl opponent this year. =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From jjlander@sprynet.com Sun Nov 24 20:16:32 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA06707 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:16:28 -0600 Received: from m7.sprynet.com (m7.sprynet.com [165.121.1.64]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29949 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from 199.174.182.201 (dd50-201.compuserve.com [199.174.182.201]) by m7.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08774 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:16:22 -0800 Message-ID: <329900E0.7202@sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:13:57 -0500 From: "Jonathan J. Newlander" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bucky Followers Subject: Re: Dayne's Future? References: <199611250143.TAA21174@msn.globaldialog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Barry was worried about McC taking too > >much of the load last year, and he's developing the same problem this > >year with Dayne... > > Yeah, that hasn't escaped my notice, either. I was particularly pleased to > see Stecker get his huge gainer in the closing minutes at Illinois, not only > because I've always liked Stecker, but also because I think it's true that > two alternating backs with sharply contrasting styles can really screw up a > defense, just like Moss & Fletcher did. The D gets themselves braced and > anchored to hit the D-train, and then along comes an elusive, fleet-footed > darter who just runs around 'em. I hope we see a lot more of that in the > future, and starting vs. our bowl opponent this year. I wouldn't be surprized to see a pretty wide open competition in the spring for the number 2 and 3 running back roles for next season. With all due respect to Stecker's abilities (and he is talented, don't get me wrong), I don't think he's really all that Fletcher-like. Put simply: Fletcher was REALLY fast (a 4.39 in the 40 at the NFL combine if memory serves me right). That was what was so deceptive about him, and what made him such a special back, was the combination of speed and moves. Stecker simply doesn't have that kind of speed. If he ends up earning the top back-up spot, so be it, but I'm pretty sure that with a year or two in the system under their belts, at least one of the current true or redshirt freshmen will put up a challenge. At least, I hope so. Maybe it's unfair, but I always get nervous when I see Stecker with the ball...the same kind of nervousness I felt whenever Jason Burns got the ball. From sharon@inxpress.net Sun Nov 24 20:24:00 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA06912 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:23:55 -0600 Received: from ns1.inxpress.net (root@ns1.inxpress.net [204.120.4.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00057 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:23:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from lastrights.inxpress.net (d71.inxpress.net [204.120.4.199]) by ns1.inxpress.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16650; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:21:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:21:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611250221.UAA16650@ns1.inxpress.net> X-Sender: sharon@inxpress.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sasbaa@unx.sas.com, mallet@ircom.unilim.fr, betta@vms2.macc.wisc.edu, Multiple recipients of list B10WB-L , bucky@cs.wisc.edu, womens-hoops@toto.com, wbball-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, ltproctor@ezonline.com From: sharon@inxpress.net (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin 95 UW-Milwaukee 63 Not that the score matters much. The afternoon's excursion turned into a practice and confidence building exercise for Wisconsin and a character test for the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Wisconsin coach Jane Albright-Dieterle went into the game wanting to give some players minutes and to use different combinations on the court. UW-M first year Sandy Botham wanted her team to see up close and personal how a good team handles itself on the court. They both got their wishes. The tone of the game was set in the first 2 minutes. Within that time Tanisha Boston hit a 3 and Ann Klapperich, Kelley Paulus and Keisha Anderson had hit jump shots to give the Badgers a 9-0 lead. The Panthers first three possessions included a travelling call, a 30 second violation and a blocked shot. The game, for all intents and purposes, was over at that point. Paulus hit a 3 at 15:01 to give the Badgers a 14-4 lead and practice began. For the rest of the half JAD substituted freely, using different combinations and clearly working on different defenses. There were different combinations for different presses. They experimented with different half court defenses. For the most part they were very successful. There was still the occasional breakdown, but the Badger defense dominated the half. In the first half, the Panthers had 23 field goal attempts and 23 turnovers. They also worked on breakind down UW-M's zone. Katie Viogt's knee injury leaves Wisconsin with a huge question mark surrounding it's outside shooting. (editor's note: That's the last time I'll be mentioning Katie's injury and it's effect it had on the team this year. It's too bad, really. But it happens in sports. It's time to get over it and get on with things.) This was a Wisconsin offense that was greatly improved over last week's version. There was not a great deal of competition on the court. But the passes were crisper and the decisions were better. Whatever combination was on the court was able to break down the zone and get easy shots. But we're not ready for the Big 10 season yet. The execution was much better than the concentration. The result was that they missed those easy shots way too often. The Badgers shot a misleadingly respectable 45.5% in the half. Given the excellent shots they had, the percentage should have been over 60. They also decided to work on their three-point shooting in that half. Conventional wisdom says that they won't hit many this year. Maybe, but they gave some evidence that it may be maybe not. In the half they went 5 for 8 from beyond the arc. Karie Cattanach was 1-4, but Paulus, Klapperich, Boston and Jennah Hartwig were all 1-1. It was the first 3 of Hartwig's career. Most encouraging was Paulus' form. Kelley came in with textbook form on her jump shot to about 17 feet. When she would shoot from farther she would push the ball instead of shooting it. She has reached the point where her form is almost holding when she shoots from three point land. When she can do that consistently, she will be a three-point threat. In the half, 9 players got 8 minutes or more. Jane is giving the players a chance to sort out the playing time on the court. One who is showing that she deserves more minutes is junior forward Jennah Hartwig. She is getting more and more comfortable facing the basket and is becoming an offensive threat. In addition to her three, she was 4-6 from the field with 4 rebounds a block and a steal in 9 minutes. Jennah's also one of the smarter players on the team and is a leader when she's on the court. The half also showed the Badgers weakness. Right now, the weakest part of the team is it's post play. Amy Wiersma is a decent center. Not great. But decent. She's a good rebounder and her defense is coming along. But she is not a good shooter. She doesn't have any touch on the ball. She's surrounded with enough talent that decent is good enough. But she cannot allow herself to get frustrated when she misses shots. That makes things worse. She got frustrated at times today. And when she comes out, we have a problem. Our backup center is the weak link in this rotation. Jenny Rhodes does not possess a lot of physical skill. You can get over that. She also doesn't seem to have much in the way of basketball sense. I don't know how you get past that. An example. I think it was an inbounds play, but in any event she made a strong cut to the basket. Fine. But she looked totally surprised when she got the pass and it bounced off her body. Not fine. It should be understood that the reason you're cutting to be basket is so that you can get the ball. I don't understand. Oh well. Jenny is not getting worse as a player. A large part of her problem is that the players around her are getting better and she is falling farther and farther behind them. She was not charged with any turnovers in the half, which I don't understand because a number of passes went bouncing off her body. When we can survive the lack of height, it looks to me like the second best front line on this team is the 6' Hartwig, the 6' Boston and 6'2 Klapperich. It's awful small though. The score in the first half was kind of name-it. The Badgers never trailed. A Klapperich 3 gave the Badgers a 19-8 lead at 12:49. A Jenny Greger jumper and a 3 from Courtney Schaffer brought the game to 19-13. The Badgers went on a 14-2 run to push the lead to 33-15. An Anderson steal and layup made the score 49-28 at the break. Wisconsin was led by Klapperich with 14 points and Hartwig with 11 in the half. The only real negative for Wisconsin at the half was the fact that they were outrebounded 24-18. Wisconsin shot 45.5% to UW-M's 39.1%. More importantly Wisc had 44 shots to UW-M's 23. The Badgers also had 6 turnovers to the Panthers 23. UW-M frankly didn't know what to do with the Badgers. They were intimidated, especially by Anderson. One of their guards, Betsy Sanders, had a breakaway layup. She saw Anderson coming at her and broke off her drive to avoid Keisha. On more than one occasion, she tried to start the offense 40 feet from the basket because Keisha was standing 30 feet from it. Jenny Greger and Apryl Rodman each had 6 points for the Panthers in the half. Robman, no relation, also had one interesting defensive effort. Anderson stole the ball and was driving in to score. (I wonder if I can make a macro out of that phrase?) Rodman was sort of standing between Keisha and the basket. As Keisha blew by her, the only thing she apparently could think of to do was scream in Anderson's ear. Didn't work. UW-M came out stronger in the second half and scored 10 of the first 16 points, with 6 of them coming from Rodman. With the lead cut to 55-38, Boston scored 6 of the Badgers next 8 points to stretch the lead to 25. It never dropped below 22 again. A Klapperich jumper at 8:36 made the score 78-47. The Panthers cut the lead to 29 twice in the last 2 minutes after Wisconsin had stretched it to as many as 37 (86-49). If the first half was a practice for the Badgers, the second half was a confidence building exercise. Again a lot of players had a chance to get major minutes. Many of them made the most of their minutes. After the game JAD gave her game ball to freshman point guard DeeDee Pate. She played 14 minutes in the second half, ran the offense well and applied consistent defensive pressure. She also had 13 points an assist and 2 steals in the half. More importantly, it was obvious that her confidence was growing all day. Freshman post player Missy Konieczny got her most extensive playing time, getting 8 minutes in the half and 14 in the game. She needs bulk and strength big time but she competed well today and scored her first collegiate points. If she could be ready to play sometime this year, it could answer some of the questions at the post. The Badgers inside-outside combination of Anderson and Klapperich led the way again today. Ann led the team with 18 points and 6 rebounds while Keisha added 14 points. Also in double figures were Hartwig at 14, Pate at 13 and Boston at 11. Finally, Tanisha Boston needs to be mentioned. She had her best game in a Wisconsin uniform today. Her numbers were fine, 11 pts, 6 reb, 2 assists and a steal in 25 minutes. But she played better than the numbers showed. She played a very solid floor game. She was in most of the loose ball scraps, worked hard on the boards and played good defense. She also gave the hardest, most consistent effort that she's had here. She is another player who's confidence is growing rapidly and that's a big reason for the consistency. This was a good game for Wisconsin. They're not there yet, but they are clearly improving. Right now, the Badgers are a good team. There's a lot of room for improvement though. We may have some fun in Febuary and March this season. UW-M is coached by former Notre Dame star Sandy Botham. Sandy is one of the young, energenic young women coming into the ranks of women's basketball. She's a classy woman who seems to have a firm grasp on both where her program is and where she wants it to go. In the second half, she fought desperately to keep her team from quitting. She succeeded more than she failed. Sandy is also from Madison originally and played her high school ball about a mile from the UW Fieldhouse. I saw her play in high school. I feel old. A girl scout day crowd of 8,657 attended. The crowd was composed of 85 relatives of Botham, 2,611 girl scouts, 1,129 other human beings of approximately the same age and 4,832 adults, all of whom have headaches tonight. Sharon Official Team Representative for the 199something Big 10 Women's Basketball Champions Wisconsin Badgers sharon@inxpress.net From sharon@inxpress.net Sun Nov 24 20:29:45 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA06994 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:29:33 -0600 Received: from ns1.inxpress.net (root@ns1.inxpress.net [204.120.4.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00114 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:29:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from lastrights.inxpress.net (d71.inxpress.net [204.120.4.199]) by ns1.inxpress.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16827; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:28:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:28:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611250228.UAA16827@ns1.inxpress.net> X-Sender: sharon@inxpress.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sasbaa@unx.sas.com, mallet@ircom.unilim.fr, betta@vms2.macc.wisc.edu, Multiple recipients of list B10WB-L , bucky@cs.wisc.edu, womens-hoops@toto.com, wbball-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, ltproctor@ezonline.com From: sharon@inxpress.net (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin-UWM boxscore Sorry, I forgot this before. WISC MILWAUKEE (63) fg ft rb min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp Greger 37 6-15 7-8 4-8 3 3 20 Rodman 25 5-8 2-2 0-2 0 4 12 Rathke 28 0-2 2-2 1-5 0 4 2 Schaffeld 29 6-10 2-2 0-4 5 3 17 Sanders 18 1-5 0-0 0-1 1 5 2 Schaefer 10 0-0 1-2 0-1 1 3 1 Wardle 19 1-2 0-0 0-1 1 2 3 Lubbers 23 2-5 0-0 1-9 0 4 4 Dalton 1 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 Reisenauer 4 1-1 0-0 0-2 0 1 2 Martysz 4 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 0 0 Love 2 0-1 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 _______________________________________________ TOTALS 200 22-50 14-16 6-35 12 29 63 _______________________________________________ Percentages: FG-.440, FT-.875. 3-Point Goals: 5-8, .625 (Greger 1-3, Schaffeld 3-4, Wardle 1-1). Team rebounds: 2. Blocked shots: 6 (Rodman 3, Lubbers 2, Rathke). Turnovers: 38 (Greger 7, Schaffeld 6, Rodman 5, Wardle 5, Rathke 4, Schaefer 4, Lubbers 2, Dalton, Martysz, Sanders). Steals: 8 (Greger 2, Sanders 2, Schaffeld 2, Rathke, Schaefer). WISCONSIN (95) fg ft rb min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp Boston 25 3-8 4-4 1-6 2 1 11 Klapperich 25 8-14 1-1 3-6 1 1 18 Wiersma 21 0-5 5-8 3-7 1 3 5 Anderson 22 7-12 0-0 0-1 3 0 14 Paulus 16 2-8 2-3 1-1 1 4 7 Pate 22 6-8 1-3 2-3 1 2 13 Cattanach 17 2-6 0-2 0-2 1 1 5 Hartwig 15 6-9 1-3 5-6 0 2 14 Rhodes 14 0-0 2-8 2-3 0 2 2 Cleary 4 0-1 1-2 0-2 0 0 1 Riemer 3 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 Burkholder 2 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 Konleczny 14 1-3 3-4 2-2 0 1 5 _______________________________________________ TOTALS 200 35-75 20-38 19-40 10 17 95 Percentages: FG-.467, FT-.526. 3-Point Goals: 5-9, .556 (Boston 1-1, Klapperich 1-1, Paulus 1-1, Cattanach 1-5, Hartwig 1-1). Team rebounds: 1. Blocked shots: 4 (Wiersma 3, Hartwig). Turnovers: 17 (Anderson 5, Cattanach 2, Hartwig 2, Paulus 2, Rhodes 2, Boston, Klapperich, Konleczny, Wiersma). Steals: 18 (Klapperich 4, Anderson 3, Cattanach 3, Paulus 3, Pate 2, Boston, Hartwig, Rhodes). __________________________________ Wisc Milwaukee 28 35 - 63 Wisconsin 49 46 - 95 __________________________________ Technical fouls: None. A: 8,657. Officials: Bernie Barribeau, Mary Struckhoff, Bart Barden. Sharon Official Team Representative for the 199something Big 10 Women's Basketball Champions Wisconsin Badgers sharon@inxpress.net From BadgerRoy@aol.com Sun Nov 24 22:14:14 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA08397 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:14:09 -0600 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01232 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:14:07 -0600 (CST) From: BadgerRoy@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA13848; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:13:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <961124231336_1850331515@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: morse@globaldialog.com, bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dayne's Future? In a message dated 96-11-24 20:53:32 EST, morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) writes: << but also because I think it's true that two alternating backs with sharply contrasting styles can really screw up a defense, just like Moss & Fletcher did. >> That is why I think Stecker is a better #2 back with Dayne than McCullough is!! Stecker adds speed and can get to the corner. McCullough cant. From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Mon Nov 25 07:53:46 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA13535 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:53:39 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05337 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:53:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:53:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611251353.HAA05337@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:53:16 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bstapleton@madison.k12.wi.us, Bucky Badger s Followers From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Best/Worst Plays Ever & Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play >7. Final defensive stand vs. Ohio State 1985(?). In the snow, on 4th and >10, Ohio State passes to Keith Byars who is dropped after gaining 9 1/2 >yards. That was in the rain...I was there. Anyway, I noticed that you had Bevell's TD run as the eigth or something greatest play. That has to be the single best play in Wisconsin football history IMO. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Mon Nov 25 07:57:52 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA13590 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:57:47 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05378 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:57:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:57:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611251357.HAA05378@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:57:28 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: BadgerRoy@aol.com, Bucky Badger s Followers From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Disturbing quote ___________________________________ >Another rejected candidate, Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, was not among the >final four contenders. "It's disappointing, but I understand the situation," >Alvarez said. "We are having trouble [at Wisconsin] keeping on the right >track." >__________________________________________ > >This quote is disturbing for several reasons. First, you wonder why Barry is >so disappointed unless he really wants out of Wisconsin. He has generally >said he wants to stay but you have to wonder with this quote. Second, it is >troubling that Barry is announcing to the world, the program, the players >that we are having trouble keeping on track. Obviously, we want him to >recognize the problems but I would rather have him correct everything than >make such announcements. My feeling is that he would not have trouble keeping the program on the right track if he weren't looking for a new job every year. Let's see...we have the Eagles in '94...the Cardinals in '95...and the Irish in '96. Three for three Barry! Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Mon Nov 25 08:11:47 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA13818 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:11:42 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05566 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:11:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:11:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611251411.IAA05566@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:11:25 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: How could I have deleted an entire thread? >Could I possibly have deleted an entire thread??? I don't think so. At >any rate, one of our local TV stations mentioned the fact that Barry was >the probable choice for the Pitt coaching job. According to the station, >the SID at Pitt declined to comment until the press conference on, I think >it was, Tuesday. If he wants to coach Pitt over UW, more power to him. He would really want to be out of here if that's the case. That would be a terrible career move...bad program...bad conference...terrible football school. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Mon Nov 25 08:18:04 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA13967 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:17:59 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05643 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:17:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:17:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611251417.IAA05643@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:17:41 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Year End Rivalry >Michigan vs. tOSU >Minnesota vs. Iowa (Floyd of Rosedale) >Indiana vs. Purdue (Oaken Bucket) >MSU vs. PSU (Land Grant Trophy?) >Wisconsin vs. Illinois???? > >I think both teams' fans would travel better in a UW/NU rivalry, (I live >in Champaign and trust me UW fans would rather spend the weekend in >Chicago and not just because of the one o'clock bar time here). Can >anyone give some historical insight here? The Badgers of course play Minnesota for Paul Bunyon's Axe every year. As of two years ago, every Big Ten team has two protected rivals. The first is with Minnesota, the second is with Iowa. I think it would be a good idea to drop Iowa, and add Illinois IMO. However, rivalries are not created, they develop over time. The MSU / PSU thing was developed by the Big Ten, but I tell ya that both would rather beat Michigan. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From sherm@netnet.net Mon Nov 25 09:14:19 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14887 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:14:06 -0600 Received: from netnet1.netnet.net (netnet1.netnet.net [198.70.64.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06473 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:14:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from Sherm.netnet.net (ppp-822-4-13.netnet.net [198.70.72.86]) by netnet1.netnet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA12399; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:08:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199611251508.JAA12399@netnet1.netnet.net> From: "Sherm" To: , "Bucky Badger s Followers" Subject: Re: Best/Worst Plays Ever & Texas A&M Bounce Pass Play Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:05:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyway, I noticed that you had Bevell's TD run as the eigth or something > greatest play. That has to be the single best play in Wisconsin football > history IMO. Mine too. Sherm From sherm@netnet.net Mon Nov 25 09:14:20 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14885 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:14:04 -0600 Received: from netnet1.netnet.net (netnet1.netnet.net [198.70.64.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06470 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:14:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from Sherm.netnet.net (ppp-822-4-13.netnet.net [198.70.72.86]) by netnet1.netnet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA12393; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:08:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199611251508.JAA12393@netnet1.netnet.net> From: "Sherm" To: , "Bucky Badger s Followers" Subject: Re: Wisconsin 95 UW-Milwaukee 63 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:56:39 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon - Thanks for the update on Women's BB. When they come up here to GB (I think it's December 5th) we're going out to see them, so this helps us a lot. Sherm From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Mon Nov 25 10:42:23 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA15838 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:42:12 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07847 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:42:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:42:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611251642.KAA07847@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:41:55 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Alvarez and Pitt I looked through Badger Plus On-Line, which I've found to be a rather credible source, and found that there is not one mention of any rumor involving Alvarez going to Pittsburgh. I guess it could happen, but I'd be surprised. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From Mtoepit@aol.com Mon Nov 25 11:25:36 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA17059 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:25:26 -0600 Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08771 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:25:24 -0600 (CST) From: Mtoepit@aol.com Received: by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10624 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:24:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <961125122451_772232109@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Alvarez and Pitt Just heard on ESPN radio Pitt has a 3 pm news conference, at which time they will discuss the future of the head coach of their football team. From all indications, it looks like Johnny Majors is done. That should stir things up some. From jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Mon Nov 25 11:51:59 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA17949 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:51:53 -0600 Received: from sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu [128.210.73.41]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09459 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:51:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from grad01.pctx.purdue.edu (grad01.pctx.purdue.edu [128.210.73.77]) by sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.5davy/jsmith) with SMTP id MAA23972; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199611251750.MAA23972@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:50:21 -0500 X-Sender: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu From: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (John Davis) Subject: Re: Alvarez and Pitt Cc: bucky@cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: I also find it hard to believe that Alverez would take a job like Pitt. It is a step down in all directions. He has proven he can take a going no where program and at least bring it up to a competitive level (of course I think he has done more than that). I still believe Alverez leaves only for a job that puts him in the spot light. Which is fine. Wisconsin is not the center of the Big Ten or national football universe. South Bend, IN is (with Lincoln, NB and the whole state of Florida a close second). There are two reasons I am glad that Barry didn't get the ND job. 1) (and foremost) I like him and I think without him Wisconsin becomes a lower third Big Ten team-permanently and 2) I would have to like ND (don't really want to do that!) Finally, there is a great column in Badger-Plus on-line written by Pat Stiegman ("Nothing But Net"). He gives the reasons why UW should except a bowl bid. He also supports Alverez, and puts into words exactly what I think and why I like Alverez. This is an excellent column and everyone should take a look at it (especially all the nay-sayers out there). The URL is www.onwis.com/badger/fb/zoo1123.html later jd >I looked through Badger Plus On-Line, which I've found to be a rather >credible source, and found that there is not one mention of any rumor >involving Alvarez going to Pittsburgh. I guess it could happen, but I'd be >surprised. > >Jon > >Jonathan C. Enslin >Director of Development and Associate Director >University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation >Whitewater, WI 53190 > >(414) 472-1482 > > > From sek@mail.execpc.com Mon Nov 25 12:39:37 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA19355 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:39:29 -0600 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10437 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:39:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from [156.46.88.96] (korg.execpc.com [156.46.88.96]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA01264 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:40:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:40:44 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: sek@mail.execpc.com (Steve Kratz) Subject: Re: trick plays >1983 against Illinois. Moving towards the south end zone, the Badgers >were at about midfield with barely more than a minute to play. and down >by about 4 or 5. Toon was split 15 yards to the left (east) a step >behind the line of scrimmage. Wright stepped back, Toon made a move as >if to go downfield, then pulled up; Wright threw the ball towards Toon, >but it bounced a few feet in front of him. Toon picked it up and. as >the poster says, acted nonchalant for half a second. Jeff Nault, the >tight-end, meanwhile had streaked downfield. Before Illinois knew what >was going on, Toon squared and threw a beautiful spiral, which Nault >caught in the end zone. The packed house went as bananas as I've ever >seen a sporting arena. With the extra point, the Badgers took a lead of >several points. > >But (why is there almost always a "but" with the Badgers?) incredibly, >after the kickoff Illinois moved the ball into the Badgers territory >with seconds remaining, and their kicker hit a 50 yarder as time expired >to win the game! The packed house was as deflated as I've ever seen a >sporting arena, UNTIL this year's NW game. Tony Eason was th QB, and it >was similar to the horrible quick marches we have seen the last few >years, with the exception that at one point a Badger d-back (it may have >been David Greenwood) almost made an interception, but the ball >dribbled off his hands. > >NOW you know what the Al Toon play was -- from someone who witnessed it >from the 40 yd line of the east stands. I remember some of the details differently. First, and I'm certain of this, the TD gave the Badgers a 2 point lead. The extra point clanked off the left upright - no good. Second, I'm pretty sure that the "almost" interception was by one of the middle LB's. All I can remember was that his first name was Jody and that he was from Lockport, ILL. He was fully extended jumping up to his left. He got both hands on it, but couldn't bring it down. It would have been an outstanding catch for a linebacker. Whenever I think back to this game, this potential interception, which came on the play prior to the 17 yarder getting it down to the 33, always makes me feel even worse. On a personal note, I was living in Chicago at the time and starting at about 8:01 Monday morning, I starting getting calls from my asshole Illini friends. ---Steve From Mtoepit@aol.com Mon Nov 25 14:22:55 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA20886 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:22:49 -0600 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12257 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:22:48 -0600 (CST) From: Mtoepit@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25667 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:22:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <961125152215_1984629940@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Average I have to now re examine my assessment of the football season. After 11 games and a probable win against Hawaii, the only word that comes to mind is "average". If you take a look at who we beat and take a look at who we lost to, that is the only reasonable conclusion to make. At times I have thought we have been a horrible football team, and I think that statement is unfair. When there is such a definitive difference between the teams you have beaten (all but one below .500, and Stanford 6-5) and the teams we lost to (all above .500, and Michigan State at 6-5) the only thought that comes to mind is average. (some would use mediocre). The question then becomes, are you satisfied with an average football team? And, why is it average, and not any better? Personally, this average team has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe that is why Barry has taken so much heat. It's up to the coaching staff and the players to strive for better then average next year. Only time will tell if they will be able to accomplish it. From djrose@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 15:03:47 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA21107 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:03:38 -0600 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12968 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:03:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from 38.247.60.2 ([38.247.60.2]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00891; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:03:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3299FBA4.2C94@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:03:49 -0400 From: "David J. Rosen" Reply-To: djrose@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Average References: <961125152215_1984629940@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mtoepit@aol.com wrote: > > I have to now re examine my assessment of the football season. After 11 > games and a probable win against Hawaii, the only word that comes to mind is > "average". > I'd say "below average." Although we beat four (probably five after HI) bad teams which we clearly should have beaten and lost to the three teams that were better than we were (at least in terms of record), a major disappointment is that we lost badly in the two games that were against teams that were about as good as we were-MSU and Iowa. All in all, with the borderline exception of Stanford, we didn't beat one team that was as good or better than we were. And three of the wins came against the lowest echelon of Div. 1-A teams. From glaser@univbkstr.com Mon Nov 25 15:44:28 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA21191 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:44:20 -0600 Received: from mrcoffee.univbkstr.com (root@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com [199.183.133.70]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13718 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:44:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from dickens.univbkstr.com (dickens.univbkstr.com [199.183.133.140]) by mrcoffee.univbkstr.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA13478 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:06:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199611252206.QAA13478@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Thomas Glaser" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:44:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Average Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > The question then becomes, are you satisfied with an average football team? > And, why is it average, and not any better? Personally, this average team > has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe > that is why Barry has taken so much heat. Well..We won the games we were supposed to. Quite honestly after how much we struggled at times during the first three games I never would have thought we would win against the top 5 teams in the big ten. Ok..maybe one if we had a good day and they didn't. We never lost when the line said we were going to win and we never won when line said we were supposed to lose. Keep in mind that the teams we lost to are a combined 42-13 playing other big 10 teams as well at USC, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Arizona. I am not making up excuses, I think we are an average big 10 team, but I don't think we are an average team in general. Tom ============================================= Tom Glaser University Book Store Madison, WI (608) 257-3784 --------------------------------------------- "I hate quotations." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson From manuvir@cs.wisc.edu Mon Nov 25 16:17:57 1996 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.75.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA21284 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:48 -0600 Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24609; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611252217.QAA24609@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> To: Mtoepit@aol.com cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Average In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:22:16 EST." <961125152215_1984629940@emout09.mail.aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:44 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >The question then becomes, are you satisfied with an average football team? > And, why is it average, and not any better? Personally, this average team >has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe >that is why Barry has taken so much heat. Before the season started, few people on this list or outside of it expected much more than a decent season for the Badgers. I'd say they've performed pretty much as per expectations. To take it further: unlike the teams of previous years, this team has won every game it was supposed to win against inferior teams (e.g. Minnesota, Purdue). This could not have been said of the teams in 1993 (Minnesota), 1994 (Minnesota, Purdue-tie), or 1995 (Purdue, Illinois-tie). The games against equal-quality teams were both losses (MSU, Iowa), but then both of those were road games and it's tough to win on the road in the Big10. The games against better teams were close and hard-fought (PSU, tOSU, NWU). Couldn't ask for more. The coaches made some questionable decisions that may have cost the Badgers a game or two against better teams, but those would have been bonus wins in terms of pre-season expectations. The only major difference between the expectations and the performance on the field that I can think of is this: most people thought the secondary would be much improved this year, with fine athletes returning with a year of experience. The opposite happened. On the other hand, most people thought the running game would struggle again this year with McC having tailed off at the end of last season. Here too, the opposite happened. Dayne. The rest of the team did about as expected, senior line but with several new starters, new QB, good DL, good LBs; all had their ups and downs but basically did as expected. Hall made several good kicks and missed some he should have made; no surprise there. The rest of the special teams stunk it up; looking at last years stats (we averaged negative punt return yardage in 1995), this comes as no surprise. Overall, I think it was a satisfactory season if satisfactory means living up to expectations. The expectations themselves came from recruiting and from the preseason comments of the coaches. Whichever way you look at it, Barry Alvarez and staff produced a lower-rung-bowl calibre team this season. With a little luck that could have translated to a better bowl. If this kind of team is produced on a regular basis, most fans will be more than pleased. - Manuvir p.s. We missed Bevell more than many people thought. From jadopke@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 25 16:18:05 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA21287 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:54 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14419 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id QAA69040; 8.7.5/50; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:51 -0600 Received: from [144.92.91.245] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id QAA69638; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:16:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199611252216.QAA69638@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:15:53 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: jadopke@students.wisc.edu (Joel A. Dopke) Subject: the line, the team, etc. >I have to think that our "huge line" ain't going to cut it next year! It seemed to me that when Alvarez made that series of demotions and changes last spring, it was a knee-jerk reaction to an offensive line that was rendered largely ineffective for the Big 11 portion of the 1995 season. "I don't know if we can get better, but we can get bigger" a la some of those Michigan and Michigan State O-lines of recent history. The only starter of the four being lost to graduation that will be sorely missed is Wunsch and I don't think he compares that well to some of the better tackles of recent history, but he suffers due to his supporting cast...he's in that group, but not in the top 2. VanderVeldt is a good ball player, but can be replaced. This line struggled. Engler(a guard) isn't a natural center, Castro(a tackle) isn't a guard, and McIntosh isn't in sync. What they are is big. Plugging in two people inside better suited to the positions will help the team as a whole next season. I still believe that the younger players who now have an additional year (and some additional poundage) under their belts will be able to step in and play at the same level, if not better than, that the current line played at. 1998 is the year. Two years for the new O-line to play, a junior QB, Dayne as a junior, some of the younger WR talent in play, the defense largely intact for 3 years...I think that's their best shot, but it's also a tougher road schedule than next year. >Yeah, that hasn't escaped my notice, either. I was particularly pleased to >see Stecker get his huge gainer in the closing minutes at Illinois, not only >because I've always liked Stecker, but also because I think it's true that >two alternating backs with sharply contrasting styles can really screw up a >defense, just like Moss & Fletcher did. >From what I've read, Eddie Faulkner might be the guy groomed to be the scat-back to play opposite Dayne. They say that despite his small frame, he's got highlight reel speed and moves. Sounds a lot like Fletch to me... >If you take a look at who we beat and take a look at who we lost to, that is >the only reasonable conclusion to make. At times I have thought we have been >a horrible football team, and I think that statement is unfair. When there >is such a definitive difference between the teams you have beaten (all but >one below .500, and Stanford 6-5) and the teams we lost to (all above .500, >and Michigan State at 6-5) the only thought that comes to mind is average. >(some would use mediocre). Bucky was the best of the Big 11 also-rans. We beat everyone we should've beaten (based on preseason prognostications and records) and had a tough time with the upper division. Eke out a win in the NU game and we're a bowl team even if the rest of the season works out the way it did (8-4, 4-4 assuming a win in Hawaii) with those ugly games against MSU and Iowa. Of course, that also labels us as a good home team, and a poor road team, but that's beside the point. Average is a good way to describe the season. Getting that 7th win is imperative to the program, but personally, I don't think they deserve a bowl game...I don't want anyone on the roster or staff lulled into a false sense of complacency over what happened this year. Things can get a lot better, and with 7 wins and no bowl bid, I'd like to think players and coaches would do some serious introspection and become more hungry. Being passed over would be just the trick. I'm not saying that I don't want to go to a bowl, but there's a certain hunger that could accompany a near miss. Finally, in review, I don't think anyone is taking the Illinois game to be anything more than what it was: two emotionally broke teams, one with a little bit to play for, and the other just riding it out. The team with more to play for won and won convincingly, but it was nothing more than that. JD. From spencer@suba.com Mon Nov 25 22:05:23 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA22052 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:04:54 -0600 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18722 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:04:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial14.suba.com (dial14.suba.com [198.87.202.141]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA06864 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:04:52 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961126051409.230fb488@mail.suba.com> X-Sender: spencer@mail.suba.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:14:09 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: spencer Subject: Playing redshirt freshmen in bowl IF the Badgers were to get a bowl bid, could they possibly play Freshmen who are being redshirted this year without them losing their "redshirt" status? What's the rule? The reason I'm asking is I wonder if someone like Solwold could get his debut and get some great experience and still retain 4 more years of eligibility if he played in the bowl game. If there are a couple freshman who are ready and who could make a difference (i.e. a tight end or wide receiver) then this would seem like a good opportunity to spring a surprise on a bowl opponent. Just a thought. Spencer From jjlander@sprynet.com Mon Nov 25 23:26:58 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA22191 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:26:47 -0600 Received: from m7.sprynet.com ([165.121.2.64]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19895 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:26:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from 199.174.189.243 (ad59-243.compuserve.com [199.174.189.243]) by m7.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA14652 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: <329A7EFA.5C3B@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:24:17 -0500 From: "Jonathan J. Newlander" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bucky Followers Subject: Alvarez rumors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the Badger Plus web site tonight (finally) there was a brief mention of the rumors of Alvarez and the coaching vacancies at Pitt and Maryland, both of which would be steps down for him. In fact, several years ago he rejected an offer to become the head coach at Pitt. If he wouldn't take the Pitt job as his first college head coaching stint, with it close to where he grew up and everything else, I'm hard pressed to see why he'd take it now...other than really wanting out of Madison I guess. But I've got to believe that -- like the rest of us -- he wants to ride the Great Dayne express a bit longer...until New Years Day, 1999 perhaps, the end of Dayne's junior year. If you happened to weather a heart-wrenching season like this one and, oh by the way, have the best freshman running back in NCAA history, would you skip town to take a job at Pitt or Maryland? Neither would I. From johne@wwa.com Tue Nov 26 00:10:45 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA01275 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:10:31 -0600 Received: from miso.wwa.com (root@miso.wwa.com [198.49.174.33]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20050 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:38:40 -0600 (CST) Received: by miso.wwa.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vSGE6-000kGuC; Mon, 25 Nov 96 23:38 CST Message-Id: From: johne@wwa.com (John S. Tsau) Subject: Re: Average To: Mtoepit@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:38:34 -0600 (CST) Cc: bucky@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <961125152215_1984629940@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Mtoepit@aol.com" at Nov 25, 96 03:22:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have to now re examine my assessment of the football season. After 11 > games and a probable win against Hawaii, the only word that comes to mind is > "average". > > If you take a look at who we beat and take a look at who we lost to, that is > the only reasonable conclusion to make. At times I have thought we have been > a horrible football team, and I think that statement is unfair. When there > is such a definitive difference between the teams you have beaten (all but > one below .500, and Stanford 6-5) and the teams we lost to (all above .500, > and Michigan State at 6-5) the only thought that comes to mind is average. > (some would use mediocre). > > The question then becomes, are you satisfied with an average football team? > And, why is it average, and not any better? Personally, this average team > has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe > that is why Barry has taken so much heat. > > It's up to the coaching staff and the players to strive for better then > average next year. Only time will tell if they will be able to accomplish > it. Agreed. Wisconsin is an average team this year... and I for one am not content with that. I'm not unhappy with what Alvarez has done for Wisconsin, and in fact, I'm quite enthused about the job he has done. I just want to see more signs that there will be success in the near future again. BTW, who does everyone think next year's team leaders will be? Who are the potential NFL candidates? -- John Tsau Internet Address : johne@wwa.com Internet Address 2, the Reawakening : tsauj@cpdmfg.cig.mot.com Personal Homepage : http://www.wwa.com/~johne/ From morse@globaldialog.com Tue Nov 26 00:12:40 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA01354 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:12:35 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20531 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:12:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from s25a.globaldialog.com (s25a.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.89]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA15660 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:12:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:12:36 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611260612.AAA15660@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: Re: Average >We never lost >when the line said we were going to win and we never won when line said >we were supposed to lose. We were favored over Northwestern. =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From spencer@suba.com Tue Nov 26 00:42:42 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA02536 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:42:34 -0600 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21031 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:42:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial14.suba.com (dial14.suba.com [198.87.202.141]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA14390 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:42:33 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961126075148.4d7fb8dc@mail.suba.com> X-Sender: spencer@mail.suba.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:51:48 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: spencer Subject: Re: Average Tom wrote: >We never lost >when the line said we were going to win and we never won when line said >we were supposed to lose. > Actually, the line said we were supposed to beat Northwestern ( by 3.5 I think). From spencer@suba.com Tue Nov 26 00:51:59 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA03043 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:51:51 -0600 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21176 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:51:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial14.suba.com (dial14.suba.com [198.87.202.141]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA14683 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:51:49 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961126080103.4d7faaa8@mail.suba.com> X-Sender: spencer@mail.suba.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 02:01:03 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: spencer Subject: Re: Average Manuvir wrote: > >p.s. We missed Bevell more than many people thought. > > If Samuel had a Nyquist or a Roan both he and the creativity of our offense would have looked much better. We also seemed to lack a quick, not necessarily fast, Michael London-type receiver who could run the slant routes. Merrit seems to be coming on as of the latter-third of the season and might be that kind of receiver next year. Spencer From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Tue Nov 26 14:48:57 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA01096 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:48:48 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01232 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:48:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDBA8.D4D0C120@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:48:05 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: Bucky Badger s Followers , "johne@wwa.com" Subject: Re: Average Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:46:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The NFL candidates are pretty easy among next year's seniors: Hayes for sure, Simmons probably, Lysek, Suttle and Huntley possibly. McCullough could get a look but he'd have to do something unexpected to get drafted, I think. As for team leaders, I'll be surprised if McC isn'y both a captain and a leader, no matter what position he plays. Lysek and possibly Simmons also, among the seniors. Fran Deisinger ---------- From: johne@wwa.com t there will be success in the near future again. BTW, who does everyone think next year's team leaders will be? Who are the potential NFL candidates? -- John Tsau From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Tue Nov 26 14:51:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA01213 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:51:20 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01293 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:51:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDBA9.2F9F5DF0@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:50:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: "Bucky Badger's Followers" Subject: classy move Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:50:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've all criticized Barry enough this year, so he deserves accolades when appropriate -- I thought it was a very classy move for him to put Dirk Stanger in at QB on the last series against Illinois. It must have been a great thrill for him and his family. He's carried the water by being the signalman for the other QBs for two years, a great commitment from a walk-on. I just wish he'd had a chance to pass -- my recollection is that he set some Illinois high school passing records as a prep. From vector8@ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 15:12:06 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02197 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:11:54 -0600 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28243 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:03:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from pas-ca11-16.ix.netcom.com (vector8@pas-ca11-16.ix.netcom.com [204.31.230.176]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05174 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:02:52 -0800 Message-ID: <329B3041.12D2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:00:33 -0800 From: Bob Rosenberg Organization: Vector Travel Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Bowl Games Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Steigman yesterday in Badger Plus re deserving bowl games. Somebody today said he hopes UW doesn't go so they'll have more incentive next year. Come on! We need the money, exposure, recruiting, and, yes, the players, especially the seniors deserve it. We all sit at our keyboards complaining about blocking, tackling, pass defense, play calling and everything else. It's our privilege, but the only way we'll get injured is carpal tunnel syndrome or falling off our chairs. The players work their butts off and risk real injury. Sure they volunteer for it, but they still "deserve" a trip. Having said that, I must add that it looks to me like they'll have to buy their own tickets if they want to go to any bowls. Most lists of "possible bowl matchups" that I've seen mention 6 Big 10 teams, but not UW. That's not the last word, but it does reflect what the thinking is outside of Madison and Milwaukee. Bob R. From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Tue Nov 26 15:12:28 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02208 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:12:12 -0600 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu (shaggy.uwex.edu [144.92.105.17]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28116 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:57:18 -0600 (CST) From: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Received: from charon1.uwex.edu by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AA01325; 4.1/42; Tue, 26 Nov 96 11:57:21 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.961126115614.288; 26 Nov 96 11:57:17 +600 Message-Id: Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:07:07 CST Subject: The Bowl Picture Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think the Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: 1. Our fans travel much better than MSU fans do. Sun Bowl officials will sell more tickets to UW fans than they would to MSU fans. And in today's $ society, that's what counts, more than anything else. 2. After Ron Dayne runs for another 300 yards against Hawaii, the Badgers will feature the NCAA all-time single season freshman rushing leader. The Dayne Train will also be the Big Ten's leading rusher coming into the Sun Bowl, (per game average to go along with total yards). What name recognition does MSU have? Well, they have Sedrick Irvin, but he's gained about half as many yards as Dayne. Bottom line: MSU doesn't have the national individual player name recognition that Dayne brings to the Badgers and the Sun Bowl. 3. Once we beat Hawaii, we have a better overal record than MSU: 7-5 vs. 6-5. 4. The only thing MSU has over us is a better record in the Big Ten. But that doesn't mean much when you break it down. MSU didn't play OSU and NW, we did! And MSU didn't beat a team that finished above them in the conference standings, ring a bell?? That also means MSU didn't beat a team with a winning record this year, except of course for us. But the abover factors should easily outweigh this fact. I can not imagine a scenario that would have Sun Bowl officials taking MSU over UW. Can anybody?? Bottom line today is money. The Badgers and their fans will bring more money to the Sun Bowl than the Sparties would. - Dave From stmckinn@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 15:12:36 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:12:19 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26770 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:36:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id KAA48470; 8.7.5/50; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:36:04 -0600 Received: from [144.92.209.90] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id KAA42960; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:35:19 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:36:55 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: "Scott T. McKinney" Subject: List Yes, I know this isn't Badger related but given the level of football knowledge on the list I though someone could answer my question :-) : Does anyone know if there is a Packer mailing list out there similar to this one? If so, what it the subscription address? Thanks and sorry for the off-subject posting. Private e-mail response would be much appreciated. Scott From jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Tue Nov 26 15:14:02 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02302 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:13:44 -0600 Received: from sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu [128.210.73.41]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25925 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:41:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from grad01.pctx.purdue.edu (grad01.pctx.purdue.edu [128.210.73.77]) by sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.5davy/jsmith) with SMTP id KAA03098; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199611261540.KAA03098@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:40:47 -0500 X-Sender: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (John Davis) Subject: All Big Ten X-Mailer: The sportswriters All Big Ten Team was posted in the Purdue Exponent this morning. I will list only Wisconsin players. First Team Offense RB:Ron Dayne Guard:Jamie Vanderveldt First Team Defense DL:Tarek Saleh Second Team Offense Tackle:Jerry Wunsch Place Kicker:John Hall Second Team Defense LB:Pete Monty Honorable Mention Brian Jurewicz, Jason Suttle Three Suprises: Offensive Player of the Year:Orlando Pace Freshman of the Year:Andy Katzenmoyer Coach of the Year:Gary Barnett I guess I might have voted for Cooper or even Saban. Since when is the Coach of the year award named the Dave McClain Coach of the Year? This is how it was listed in the paper. later jd From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Tue Nov 26 15:14:07 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02308 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:13:53 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.12]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25863 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:38:00 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDB7D.6A947610@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:37:18 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: Bucky Badger s Followers , "jadopke@students.wisc.edu" Subject: RE: the line, the team, etc. Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:36:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The question is who is going to fill those open OL spots. We seem to have a collection of huge tackles but not much else. McIntosh and Gibson are slated for left and right takle, and the only other underclass linemen on the depth chart are Joe Gribowski and Pat Daley, both also natural tackles. That leaves redshirts like Rabach, Costa, Dixon, and Pickett. Does anyone know who is likely to play guard or center? Where are the 6'3 280 guys a la Joe Rudolph who can pull and trap? Who's the rock at center like Cory Raymer? ---------- From: jadopke@students.wisc.edu >I have to think that our "huge line" ain't going to cut it next year! It seemed to me that when Alvarez made that series of demotions and changes last spring, it was a knee-jerk reaction to an offensive line that was rendered largely ineffective for the Big 11 portion of the 1995 season. "I don't know if we can get better, but we can get bigger" a la some of those Michigan and Michigan State O-lines of recent history. The only starter of the four being lost to graduation that will be sorely missed is Wunsch and I don't think he compares that well to some of the better tackles of recent history, but he suffers due to his supporting cast...he's in that group, but not in the top 2. VanderVeldt is a good ball player, but can be replaced. From jadopke@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 15:16:13 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02416 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:15:54 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25395 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:04:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id JAA46812; 8.7.5/50; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:04:13 -0600 Received: from [144.92.91.245] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id JAA36032; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:03:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199611261503.JAA36032@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:03:18 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: jadopke@students.wisc.edu (Joel A. Dopke) Subject: Bevell... >p.s. We missed Bevell more than many people thought I don't think there would be many who would say that isn't true. I don't think you lose your "field general" who knows your offense inside and out, a player who had the ability to keep you in some games by himself, and not feel a step down (of course, Bevell had some really awful games, too, but that's beside the point...isn't it?). Does this team perform better with Bevell? No doubt about it. I'm sure the opposition never schemed their defensive game plans to stop Bevell first, but he had to be accounted for. Bevell could've meant as many as 2 more wins this year. This is all a moot point because dealing with graduation losses is part of college football, but having a seasoned vet QB would've meant the difference between being a mediocre Big 11 team and a team vying for a substantive bowl bid. That said, I still think Samuel is the man for the job. How many rough outings did Bevell have that first season after he stepped in during the Washington game? While Samuel is a better athlete, he is not be as smart or mature as Bevell...and the same might very well be said for Kavanagh. There's a lot to be gained here with experience and with the coaching staff having the confidence to take advantage of your gifts. With Dayne in the backfield, Samuel may never need to be a Randy Wright, but he will need to be enough of a threat and have the ability to execute to the point that other teams need to keep his ability under consideration. We've been spoiled by having a Darrell Bevell around...Samuel has only played one year. JD. PS. Didn't it appear that after the NU game, Samuel cut down his tendency to bolt the pocket early and run when under pressure? There were a lot of instances where he could've made a lot of yardage that way, but I suspect the coaching staff told him to cut it down to try to save his neck. From jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Tue Nov 26 15:16:34 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02432 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:16:12 -0600 Received: from sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu [128.210.73.41]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24565 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:43:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from grad01.pctx.purdue.edu (grad01.pctx.purdue.edu [128.210.73.77]) by sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.5davy/jsmith) with SMTP id IAA01614; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199611261342.IAA01614@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:42:04 -0500 X-Sender: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mtoepit@aol.com From: jdavis@sparky.pharmacy.purdue.edu (John Davis) Subject: Re: Average Cc: bucky@cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: To be quite honest, UW's record is exactly what I thought it would be. Last year their record was only 1 1/2 worse than I thought it would. Every year a buddy and myself predict the game by game. If Wisconsin beats Hawaii, then I will be right on the money. But, the two blow-outs and the three close losses are what make this year a disappointment, not the overall record. later jd >has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe >that is why Barry has taken so much heat. > >It's up to the coaching staff and the players to strive for better then >average next year. Only time will tell if they will be able to accomplish >it. > > From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Tue Nov 26 15:16:38 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02435 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:16:16 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24615 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:51:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:51:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611261351.HAA24615@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:51:16 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Average > >> The question then becomes, are you satisfied with an average football team? >> And, why is it average, and not any better? Personally, this average team >> has been disappointing to me beacause I thought we would be better. Maybe >> that is why Barry has taken so much heat. > >Well..We won the games we were supposed to. Quite honestly after how >much we struggled at times during the first three games I never would >have thought we would win against the top 5 teams in the big ten. >Ok..maybe one if we had a good day and they didn't. We never lost >when the line said we were going to win and we never won when line said >we were supposed to lose. I said this before, but I entered one of those internet pick contests where you picked all Big Ten games before the season began. I had the Badgers finishing 7-5, 3-5 and tied for seventh in the Big Ten - actually losing the tie-breaker with Illinois because I predicted a loss to the Illini (and a win over Northwestern). My point? They basically did exactly what I thought they would...yet I'm dissatisfied. Why? I think the way they lost to Northwestern - which was not Barry's fault - and the way we came out against Iowa and MSU - which may have been his fault - really put a damper on the season. Furthermore, we had no big wins to make up for those losses. I actually think in a couple of years that this team will be real good. I do hope that Barry doesn't leave by then however. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Tue Nov 26 15:55:11 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA04443 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:03 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02818 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611262155.PAA02818@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:54:32 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture >If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think the >Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: > >1. Our fans travel much better than MSU fans do. Sun Bowl officials will sell >more tickets to UW fans than they would to MSU fans. And in today's $ society, >that's what counts, more than anything else. On one level I agree with you, but could you imagine the ruckus this would cause? MSU *clearly* beat Wisconsin, and finished two games ahead in the Big Ten standings! I know $$ means something, but the Bowl cannot lose legitimacy with the conference at large. To take Wisconsin over MSU would probably piss off every one in the Big Ten but Wisconsin. I think our only hope is the at-large Independence Bowl bid frankly. >4. The only thing MSU has over us is a better record in the Big Ten. But that >doesn't mean much when you break it down. MSU didn't play OSU and NW, we >did! And MSU didn't beat a team that finished above them in the conference >standings, ring a bell?? That also means MSU didn't beat a team with a winning >record this year, except of course for us. But the abover factors should easily >outweigh this fact. Not only did MSU beat us...they beat us real bad. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From kurhajec@spruce.ssec.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 15:56:02 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA04459 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:54 -0600 Received: from spruce.ssec.wisc.edu (spruce.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.94]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02833 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:53 -0600 (CST) Received: by spruce.ssec.wisc.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for bucky@cs.wisc.edu id PAA09710; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:52:22 -0600 From: "Joe Kurhajec" Message-Id: <9611261552.ZM9708@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:52:22 -0600 In-Reply-To: Bob Rosenberg "Bowl Games" (Nov 26, 10:00am) References: <329B3041.12D2@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Bowl Games Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 26, 10:00am, Bob Rosenberg wrote: > Subject: Bowl Games > I agree with Steigman yesterday in Badger Plus re deserving bowl games. > Somebody today said he hopes UW doesn't go so they'll have more incentive > next year. Come on! We need the money, exposure, recruiting, and, yes, > the players, especially the seniors deserve it. We all sit at our > keyboards complaining about blocking, tackling, pass defense, play > calling and everything else. It's our privilege, but the only way we'll > get injured is carpal tunnel syndrome or falling off our chairs. The > players work their butts off and risk real injury. Sure they volunteer > for it, but they still "deserve" a trip. > > Having said that, I must add that it looks to me like they'll have to buy > their own tickets if they want to go to any bowls. Most lists of > "possible bowl matchups" that I've seen mention 6 Big 10 teams, but not > UW. That's not the last word, but it does reflect what the thinking is > outside of Madison and Milwaukee. > Bob R. >-- End of excerpt from Bob Rosenberg I didn't totally agree with him. Here is the response that I sent directly to him. Joe Kurhajec ------------------------------- Pat, You make some interesting points in your article, "Home for the holidays? Sorry, UW deserves better", but, unfortunately, several of them hold up for many teams other than Wisconsin. For instance, there are plenty of good players in college football who will not be going to bowl games because of poor records. Should Iowa State go to a bowl just because Troy Davis rushed for 2000 yards? The man deserves a lot for his effort and ability, but not an automatic bowl bid. The same goes for the Wisconsin players you mention. The other thing I question is your calling Wisconsin's schedule "tough". I really have to disagree, especially considering the non-conference schedule. Replace E. Michigan with Nebraska or Colorado, and there's no debate about the Badgers going bowling--they're stuck at home(yes, even with enough wins to qualify for a bowl). The Big 10 schedule was difficult, but they did have Penn State and Northwestern at home and no Michigan. Winning one of the games against PSU, OSU, NW, Iowa or even MSU would have given some credibilty to this team, but they haven't proven they could beat any of the descent(or great) teams on their schedule. Could they really compete against good competetion in a bowl? I have my doubts. I do agree with you, however, that if the Badgers are offered a bowl bid, they should take it. For all the reasons you mention: recruiting, reward for players, money, plus extra practice time, I think it would be foolish to turn down the bid since it can help salvage this season and build towards the next. As you say, Barry has a lot of tinkering to do and this lets him do a little more. My problem is, I wouldn't really feel that they deserved it and I think other fans might feel the same. This could be reflected in a poor fan turnout by UW fans, should the Badgers get a bid. Thanks for listening. Joe Kurhajec ps If Barry is having a hard time with the pressure here, he is very lucky he didn't take the Notre Dame job. He'd be in a looney bin within a week! From warren@execpc.com Tue Nov 26 16:11:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA04888 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:11:22 -0600 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03156 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:11:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from john-warren (bollweevil.execpc.com [204.95.201.4]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA02322 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:11:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199611262211.QAA02322@mailgate.execpc.com> From: "John Warren, OD" To: "Bucky Badger" Subject: IU names coach Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:13:17 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IU has named Cam Cameron as the new head coach at IU. He was a quarterback in the early 80's and saw token action on the Basketball team. He will fulfill his obligation at Washington as quarterback coach before taking over at IU full time. John Warren, OD http://www.execpc.com/~warren Personal Page http://www.webcom.com/optcom2/optweb OptWeb Directory of Optometrists From manuvir@cs.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 16:14:06 1996 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.75.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA04952 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:13:56 -0600 Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00321; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:13:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611262213.QAA00321@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> To: stmckinn@students.wisc.edu cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: List In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:36:55 CST." Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:13:52 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >Does anyone know if there is a Packer mailing list out there similar to >this one? If so, what it the subscription address? Thanks and sorry for >the off-subject posting. Private e-mail response would be much appreciated. In this case I think a response to the list is better, so everyone knows. There is a Packer list, and in my opinion it is far better than this list. The address is packers@msn.fullfeed.com, and the list is run by John Heim (heim@msn.fullfeed.com) Don't send him email asking to put you on! To subscribe, follow the instructions below (from the Packer list FAQ): --- To subscribe to the Packers email expansion list, send a message to majordomo@msn.fullfeed.com. (Note: Do NOT send subscription requests to the regular list address, packers@msn.fullfeed.com.) In the body of the message include a line that says "subscribe packers" For instance for me it would be: FROM: heim@msn.fullfeed.com TO: majordomo@msn.fullfeed.com SUBJECT: It doesn't matter subscribe packers The list maintenance is automated so it's important to follow the format exactly. It gets your email address from the header so you must send the message from the account you want added to the list. If you have any problems email me at heim@msn.fullfeed.com. Do not post messages about subscription problems to the list. --- If you're planning to join, you should know that certain swear words (Bears, Vikings) are prohibited on the list. - Manuvir From manuvir@cs.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 16:22:15 1996 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.75.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA05172 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:21:55 -0600 Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00346; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:21:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611262221.QAA00346@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> To: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:07:07 CST." Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:21:53 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think the >Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: There are two reasons why I don't think we can go to the Sun Bowl: 1. Stanford has already accepted an invitation to play in the Sun Bowl. Since we've already played them this year, the matchup would not be intriguing. 2. MSU walloped us head to head. - Manuvir From jadopke@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 16:26:29 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA05278 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:26:16 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03497 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:26:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id QAA32534; 8.7.5/50; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:26:13 -0600 Received: from [144.92.91.245] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id QAA58791; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:25:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199611262225.QAA58791@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:25:24 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: jadopke@students.wisc.edu (Joel A. Dopke) Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture >If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think the >Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: > >1. Our fans travel much better than MSU fans do. > >2. After Ron Dayne runs for another 300 yards against Hawaii, the Badgers >will >feature the NCAA all-time single season freshman rushing leader. > >3. Once we beat Hawaii, we have a better overal record than MSU: 7-5 vs. 6-5. > >4. The only thing MSU has over us is a better record in the Big Ten. But >that >doesn't mean much when you break it down. MSU didn't play OSU and NW, we >did! And MSU didn't beat a team that finished above them in the conference >standings, ring a bell?? That also means MSU didn't beat a team with a >winning >record this year, except of course for us. But the abover factors should >easily >outweigh this fact. > >I can not imagine a scenario that would have Sun Bowl officials taking MSU >over >UW. Can anybody?? Bottom line today is money. The Badgers and their fans >will bring more money to the Sun Bowl than the Sparties would. > >- Dave I think the factor that hasn't been posted here is that MSU beat us convincingly head to head, and had a tougher NC portion of their schedule (Nebraska). Keep in mind that the only reason the Badgers have a shot at 7-5 is because we agreed to add a cushy opponent to the end of our schedule...don't forget NU in '92, we still need to play this game against Hawaii to even be bowl eligible. Add to that a league record that is significantly better than ours (5-3 vs. 3-5) and I think that Sun Bowl officials have good reason to look long and hard at MSU. While the above factors are all true, I think that, at this point, MSU is the better team and Sun Bowl officials won't overlook that fact. JD. From stmckinn@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 17:34:52 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07185 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:34:37 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04993 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:34:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id RAA71176; 8.7.5/50; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:34:34 -0600 Received: from [144.92.210.32] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id RAA69392; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:33:49 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:31:52 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: "Scott T. McKinney" Subject: The Bowl Picture >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:07:07 CST >Reply-To: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu >Sender: owner-bucky@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu >To: Bucky Badger s Followers >Subject: The Bowl Picture > >If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think the >Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: > >1. Our fans travel much better than MSU fans do. Sun Bowl officials >will sell >more tickets to UW fans than they would to MSU fans. And in today's $ >society, >that's what counts, more than anything else. > Agreed, but Sun Bowl officials have already said that they would probably still take Michigan State. >2. After Ron Dayne runs for another 300 yards against Hawaii, the Badgers >will >feature the NCAA all-time single season freshman rushing leader. The Dayne >Train will also be the Big Ten's leading rusher coming into the Sun Bowl, >(per >game average to go along with total yards). What name recognition does MSU >have? Well, they have Sedrick Irvin, but he's gained about half as many >yards >as Dayne. Bottom line: MSU doesn't have the national individual player name >recognition that Dayne brings to the Badgers and the Sun Bowl. > >3. Once we beat Hawaii, we have a better overal record than MSU: 7-5 vs. >6-5. > >4. The only thing MSU has over us is a better record in the Big Ten. But >that >doesn't mean much when you break it down. MSU didn't play OSU and NW, we >did! And MSU didn't beat a team that finished above them in the conference >standings, ring a bell?? That also means MSU didn't beat a team with a >winning >record this year, except of course for us. But the abover factors should >easily >outweigh this fact. > >I can not imagine a scenario that would have Sun Bowl officials taking MSU >over >UW. Can anybody?? Bottom line today is money. The Badgers and their fans >will bring more money to the Sun Bowl than the Sparties would. > Yes, bottom line is money--but also integrity. Sun Bowl officials may simply think Michigan State is a better football team and more deserving--which they may be. Who knows. . . >- Dave > From naldo@execpc.com Tue Nov 26 17:41:10 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07415 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:41:01 -0600 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05110 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:41:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from tia.csd.uwm.edu (charon.execpc.com [169.207.5.66]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA11970 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:40:59 -0600 Message-ID: <329B8010.1D63@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:41:04 -0600 From: Ron leventhal Reply-To: naldo@execpc.com Organization: AAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bucky Badger email list Subject: Hawaii game Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is any local TV coverage of the Hawaii game in Milwaukee or Madison - responses would be appreciated On Wisconsin!! From jadopke@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 26 17:58:47 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA08012 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:58:17 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05460 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:58:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id RAA28066; 8.7.5/50; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:58:15 -0600 Received: from [144.92.91.245] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id RAA69537; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:57:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199611262357.RAA69537@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:57:41 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: jadopke@students.wisc.edu (Joel A. Dopke) Subject: replies... >Somebody today said he hopes UW doesn't go so they'll have more incentive >next year. Come on! We need the money, exposure, recruiting, and, yes, >the players, especially the seniors deserve it. We all sit at our >keyboards complaining about blocking, tackling, pass defense, play >calling and everything else. It's our privilege, but the only way we'll >get injured is carpal tunnel syndrome or falling off our chairs. The >players work their butts off and risk real injury. Sure they volunteer >for it, but they still "deserve" a trip. > >Having said that, I must add that it looks to me like they'll have to buy >their own tickets if they want to go to any bowls. Most lists of >"possible bowl matchups" that I've seen mention 6 Big 10 teams, but not >UW. That's not the last word, but it does reflect what the thinking is >outside of Madison and Milwaukee. As the one who posted the message referred to here, I'd like to clarify: 1) I never said that I hoped they wouldn't go to a bowl. On the contrary I DO hope they go to a bowl since post-season play does nothing but advance the program. However, the coaching staff cannot lose sight of the failings of this season and my fear is that a bowl bid would give the staff cause to shrug off those things that frustrated us and them throughout the year. 2) Who would deny that getting to 7 wins and being snubbed would light a fire under someone's fanny? 3) In terms of deserving a bid, every kid who works his hind-end off week in and week out and plays his ass off every Saturday DESERVES a chance to play in the post-season. That being the case, there would need to be 50+ bowl games every season. But the post-season isn't about each kid, it's about teams (and money). Which teams are bowl eligible? Which teams played at a consistently high level? Which teams made the most of their schedules? Which TEAM deserves a chance to play in December and on New Year's? In this regard, I think that there are several teams more qualified than Bucky for a post-season berth that will spend their December/January watching games on the tube. Money will be the factor that will determine whether or not UW plays on after Hawaii. I'm sorry if my comments were poorly worded or incompletely stated before. JD. From fdeising@rbvdnr.com Tue Nov 26 18:40:45 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA09706 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:40:19 -0600 Received: from hermes.rbvdnr.com (hermes.rbvdnr.com [156.46.64.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06251 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:40:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by hermes.rbvdnr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBDBC9.2BFA6440@hermes.rbvdnr.com>; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:39:35 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Francis W. Deisinger" To: Bucky Badger s Followers , spencer Subject: RE: Playing redshirt freshmen in bowl Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:39:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no bowl game exception to the redshirt rule, so it's likely Onjai Bryant's was the last redshirt to come off this year. I'm curious why so many people mention Solwold as a player they can't seem to wait for. He's mostly just a blocking tight end. He may be a solid player down the line but I seriously doubt he'll move ahead of Eric Grams next year (Grams has shown excellent receiving skills, I think) and I wouldn't be surprised to see John Waerig used more at the position a la Matt Nyquist. Moreover, Dague Retzlaff might be a bigger and better target between the two freshmen. I don't mind good blockers, mind you -- it's just that what our offense is really crying for is some intermediate passing routes. So I'd put the best receiver of the bunch out there. ---------- From: spencer To: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Playing redshirt freshmen in bowl Date: Monday, November 25, 1996 11:14PM IF the Badgers were to get a bowl bid, could they possibly play Freshmen who are being redshirted this year without them losing their "redshirt" status? What's the rule? The reason I'm asking is I wonder if someone like Solwold could get his debut and get some great experience and still retain 4 more years of eligibility if he played in the bowl game. If there are a couple freshman who are ready and who could make a difference (i.e. a tight end or wide receiver) then this would seem like a good opportunity to spring a surprise on a bowl opponent. Just a thought. Spencer From morse@globaldialog.com Tue Nov 26 19:01:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA10546 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:01:16 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06633 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from s23g.globaldialog.com (s23g.globaldialog.com [156.46.217.119]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29761 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:01:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:01:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611270101.TAA29761@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: Re: All Big Ten >Since when is the Coach of the year award named the >Dave McClain Coach of the Year? This is how it was >listed in the paper. I think the award was named (or renamed?) in McClain's honor after he died. =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From spencer@suba.com Tue Nov 26 23:56:14 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA16710 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:56:05 -0600 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10605 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:56:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial09.suba.com (dial09.suba.com [198.87.202.136]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA03640 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:56:02 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961127070516.230f9bea@mail.suba.com> X-Sender: spencer@mail.suba.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:05:16 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: spencer Subject: Re: replies... >As the one who posted the message referred to here, I'd like to clarify: .. . . >3) In terms of deserving a bid, every kid who works his hind-end off week >in and week out and plays his ass off every Saturday DESERVES a chance to >play in the post-season. That being the case, there would need to be 50+ >bowl games every season. But the post-season isn't about each kid, it's >about teams (and money). Which teams are bowl eligible? Which teams >played at a consistently high level? Which teams made the most of their >schedules? Which TEAM deserves a chance to play in December and on New >Year's? In this regard, I think that there are several teams more >qualified than Bucky for a post-season berth that will spend their >JD. What teams would be snubbed by UW getting a bowl bid? The only one I can think of is Army. And while Army has had a great year, look at their schedule, they have played a whole schedule full of teams like our non-conference line-up. Other than Army (and maybe not even them), I don't know if there are any more deserving bowl-eligible teams who will be home for the holidays. Spencer From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Wed Nov 27 08:02:19 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA26859 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:02:14 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14337 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:02:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:02:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611271402.IAA14337@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:01:56 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture >I think the factor that hasn't been posted here is that MSU beat us >convincingly head to head, and had a tougher NC portion of their schedule >(Nebraska). Keep in mind that the only reason the Badgers have a shot at >7-5 is because we agreed to add a cushy opponent to the end of our >schedule...don't forget NU in '92, we still need to play this game against >Hawaii to even be bowl eligible. Add to that a league record that is >significantly better than ours (5-3 vs. 3-5) and I think that Sun Bowl >officials have good reason to look long and hard at MSU. > >While the above factors are all true, I think that, at this point, MSU is >the better team and Sun Bowl officials won't overlook that fact. Also, from what I remember, the Sun Bowl draws fairly well locally from the people of El Paso. They do not usually expect nor get large travelling contingents from the respective schools. They also get their $$ by being a nationally televised game. A game involving Wisconsin would probably have marginally, if any, better TV numbers. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From wagnersl@norand.com Wed Nov 27 08:18:18 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27134 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:18:13 -0600 Received: from cesium.norand.com (cesium.norand.com [136.179.160.16]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14502 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:18:12 -0600 (CST) From: wagnersl@norand.com Received: from smtpgate.norand.com (smtpgate.norand.com [136.179.64.252]) by cesium.norand.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06767; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:17:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgate.norand.com id AA849111623; Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:19:34 CDT Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:19:34 CDT Message-Id: <9610278491.AA849111623@smtpgate.norand.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu, LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu wrote: >If it comes down to a battle between MSU and UW for the Sun Bowl I think >the Badgers win in a cakewalk. Consider this: >1. Our fans travel much better than MSU fans do. Sun Bowl officials > will sell more tickets to UW fans than they would to MSU fans. And > in today's $ society, that's what counts, more than anything else. The Sun Bowl could easily make a deal to select MSU contingent upon them agreeing to buy x number of tickets for the game. What MSU doesn't sell outright to fans, the school must eat. Rumor in these parts is that Iowa has already struck such a deal with the Outback Bowl. I think the numbers I read had Iowa agreeing to a sale of around 15,000 tickets. Obviously this is speculation as the bowl bids haven't been awarded yet :P Given that Iowa's AD, Bob Bowlsby is one of the kings of the backroom deal makers, I tend to treat this speculation as more than hearsay. The bottom line is that I wouldn't be surprised that if MSU gets the Sun Bowl nod, they will be forced to buy a certain number of tickets. (On the other hand, I'm certain the Sun Bowl officials would rather have butts in the seats, rather than have a bunch of tickets get thrown in the trash at the MSU ticket office...) Shawn From BarryR@ssec.wisc.edu Wed Nov 27 08:52:27 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27590 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:52:22 -0600 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.61]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14899 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:52:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from msmail.ssec.wisc.edu (msmail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.116.35]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA22166 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:52:20 -0600 Received: by msmail.ssec.wisc.edu with Microsoft Mail id <329C479B@msmail.ssec.wisc.edu>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:52:27 CST From: BarryRoth To: "BuckyList " Subject: Sun Bowl invitation? Not likely.... Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:51:00 CST Message-ID: <329C479B@msmail.ssec.wisc.edu> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I would rate UW's and MSU's schedules as roughly equal. Yes, MSU played Nebraska, but they didn't have to play either of the Big Ten co-champs (OSU and Northwestern). With a roughly equal schedule, I think MSU has to be selected over UW because of their dominating win over UW and their better conference record. All this seems moot anyway if you read an article on the MSU web site. The article (at http://www.statenews.com/editions/112696/sp_bowls.html), dated 26 November, says that Sun Bowl chairman John Folmer said they've offered MSU a bid contingent upon PSU earning one of two at-large Bowl Alliance bids and Northwestern going to the Citrus Bowl, the Big Ten's No. 2 bowl. If PSU doesn't get an Alliance bid, Folmer said the Sun Bowl will invite Iowa because of they beat MSU and have 2 more victories overall. The article also said that ESPN lists UW as a potential Sun Bowl participant, but Folmer said "We couldn't very will pass Michigan State up because they have two more conference winds than Wisconsin." Barry From waddxdj@dssc.slg.eds.com Wed Nov 27 09:13:28 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27940 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:13:22 -0600 Received: from ns1.eds.com (ns1.eds.com [192.85.154.78]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15168 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:13:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa.eds.com [130.174.31.78]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA30685 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsscsun1.dssc.slg.eds.com (dsscsun1.dssc.slg.eds.com [148.94.17.12]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29950 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [148.94.17.-104] (dssp1152) by dsscsun1.dssc.slg.eds.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14550; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:12:24 -0600 Message-Id: <9611271512.AA14550@dsscsun1.dssc.slg.eds.com> From: "David" Subject: Getting caught up ... To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 9:11:52 PST Encoding: 27 TEXT Somehow I got unsubscribed from the list in the past 2 weeks and need to get caught up on a few items. If someone could send me via e-Mail the following information I would be very grateful: 1) What has the Men's Basketball team done so far? I saw that they beat Memphis on Saturday, but don't know if they have played since then. Have they? How have they done? Any boxscores that you could send would be appreciated. 2) I saw that the Football team won on Saturday ... by the looks of the score it appeared to be a blow-out. How did Ron Dayne do? Does anyone have a boxscore they could send? 3) Any word on bowl possibilities for Wisconsin? Living in Dallas the closest that they could play to me would be the Independence bowl in Shreveport. Any chance they will be invited to this bowl? 4) How is the hockey team doing? Once again, any information that you could send me would be appreciated ... I get virtually no Wisconsin athletic news down (except of course the story about Bucky Badger being arrested ... He was actually on a Sports call-in show down here). Thanks in advance, From MSONNEBO@lans.mha.org Wed Nov 27 09:26:30 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA28303 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:26:24 -0600 Received: from vixa.voyager.net (chat.voyager.net [198.109.136.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15334 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:26:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgtwy.mha.org (mailgtwy.mha.org [198.109.138.3]) by vixa.voyager.net (8.8.0/CICNet) with SMTP id KAA01947 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailgtwy.mha.org with Microsoft Mail id <329C5D61@mailgtwy.mha.org>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 10:25:21 EST From: Mark Sonneborn To: "'Bucky list'" Subject: Hawaii game Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 10:24:00 EST Message-ID: <329C5D61@mailgtwy.mha.org> Encoding: 2 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Is the Hawaii game on TV? From Sippycable@aol.com Wed Nov 27 10:26:07 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA00734 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:58 -0600 Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16756 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:57 -0600 (CST) From: Sippycable@aol.com Received: by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02660 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:25:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <961127112526_638310485@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: The Bowl Picture Talk of Sun Bowls and Independence Bowls is great, but I can think of one really good reason why bowl committees wouldn't take the Badgers. They can't. If the Badgers don't win Saturday, the only Bowls for evryone will be named Fish and are $2.50 at the Brat House. Let's worry about this game first. From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 27 11:34:43 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02762 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:34:38 -0600 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu (shaggy.uwex.edu [144.92.105.17]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18271 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:34:37 -0600 (CST) From: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Received: from charon1.uwex.edu by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AA08421; 4.1/42; Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:34:39 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.961127113330.256; 27 Nov 96 11:34:35 +600 Message-Id: Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: naldo@execpc.com, bucky@cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:43:53 CST Subject: Re: Hawaii game Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) >Does anyone know if there is any local TV coverage of the >Hawaii game in Milwaukee or Madison - responses would >be appreciated > >On Wisconsin!! > I called WMTV Channel 15 last night and asked if they were going to carry the game. Channel 15 has carried road games in the past using their own announcers for play by play and color, but I was told 15 was not going to air the game. The person I spoke to did not think that any other local station was going to broadcast the game. - Dave From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 27 11:42:39 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02915 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:42:33 -0600 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu (shaggy.uwex.edu [144.92.105.17]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18385 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:42:32 -0600 (CST) From: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Received: from charon1.uwex.edu by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AA08452; 4.1/42; Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:42:35 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.961127114158.448; 27 Nov 96 11:42:31 +600 Message-Id: Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:52:00 CST Subject: re: The Bowl Picture Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Considering the lack of integrity in college and professional sports these days I say kudos to the Sun Bowl if they take MSU over the UW because of the Spartans better Big Ten record and win over us. But I still say we'd be the better draw because of our fans and #33. - Dave From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Wed Nov 27 11:44:32 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02951 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:44:21 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18404 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:44:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:44:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611271744.LAA18404@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:44:04 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Hawaii game >>Does anyone know if there is any local TV coverage of the >>Hawaii game in Milwaukee or Madison - responses would >>be appreciated >> >>On Wisconsin!! >> > >I called WMTV Channel 15 last night and asked if they were going to carry the >game. Channel 15 has carried road games in the past using their own >announcers for play by play and color, but I was told 15 was not going to air the >game. The person I spoke to did not think that any other local station was going >to broadcast the game. I think one of the reasons for this is it doesn't start until 11:00 local time. It would be hard to cost justify the television expense from Hawaii for a game that will end around 2:00 AM. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 27 11:46:09 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA03044 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:46:03 -0600 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu (shaggy.uwex.edu [144.92.105.17]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18455 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Received: from charon1.uwex.edu by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AA08492; 4.1/42; Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:46:04 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.961127114520.480; 27 Nov 96 11:46:00 +600 Message-Id: Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:55:51 CST Subject: Geno Carlisle has left NW!! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) They are singing the blues down in Evanston today after junior guard Geno Carlisle announced he was leaving the NW hoop program for "personal" reasons. What a HUGE loss for the Cats. Carlisle absolutely killed us in both games last year and was a pre-season pick this year for the 1st team all-Big Ten team. Yeah, that Thanksgiving Day bird just isn't going to taste as good tomorrow if you're a Cat fan!! - Dave From toberman@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 27 14:03:28 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06356 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:03:22 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20976 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:03:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id OAA55838; 8.7.5/50; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:03:19 -0600 Received: from [144.92.124.176] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id OAA69323; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:03:00 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:03:32 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: Brad Edward Tobeman Subject: Big 12 bids Does anybody know how the Big 12 bids are handed out? According to SportsZone The Copper and Aloha get the 5th or 6th picks. If aTm loses to Texas (did they switch their initials to TU since they joined the dyslexic conference; NU, KU, CU) the Big 12 will only have 5 bowl eligible teams. The 5th place team, Texas Tech, went to the Copper last year. If the Aloha picks TT This could open up a spot in the Copper for someone. Keep Hope Alive, Brad From enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu Wed Nov 27 14:20:45 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06722 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:20:35 -0600 Received: from uwwvax.uww.edu (uwwvax.uww.edu [140.146.128.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21266 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:20:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:20:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611272020.OAA21266@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from @uwwvax.uww.edu ([140.146.152.27]) by uwwvax.uww.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:20:15 CST X-Sender: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: enslinj@uwwvax.uww.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) Subject: Re: Big 12 bids >Does anybody know how the Big 12 bids are handed out? According to >SportsZone The Copper and Aloha get the 5th or 6th picks. If aTm loses to >Texas (did they switch their initials to TU since they joined the dyslexic >conference; NU, KU, CU) the Big 12 will only have 5 bowl eligible teams. >The 5th place team, Texas Tech, went to the Copper last year. If the Aloha >picks TT This could open up a spot in the Copper for someone. Why not the Aloha? The team could just camp out there for a few weeks. BTW, the official internet acronym for Texas A&M for those who dislike them is: (e)aTm(e) Get it?...eaTme....eaT me...eat me...pretty damn clever. Happy Thanksgiving. Jon Jonathan C. Enslin Director of Development and Associate Director University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Foundation Whitewater, WI 53190 (414) 472-1482 From morse@globaldialog.com Wed Nov 27 14:26:59 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06794 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:26:54 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21394 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from s27a.globaldialog.com (s27a.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.91]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA16848 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:26:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:26:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611272026.OAA16848@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: FYI: THE VEGAS LINE Bucky is a 27.5-pt favorite @ Hawaii. Of the 14 Div-1 games listed, the Badgers are the most heavily favored. =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From toberman@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 27 14:42:19 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA07029 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:42:06 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21642 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:42:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id OAA58502; 8.7.5/50; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:42:03 -0600 Received: from [144.92.124.176] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id OAA16422; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:41:41 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199611272020.OAA21266@lucy.cs.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:42:15 -0600 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: Brad Edward Tobeman Subject: Re: Big 12 bids >>Does anybody know how the Big 12 bids are handed out? According to >>SportsZone The Copper and Aloha get the 5th or 6th picks. If aTm loses to >>Texas (did they switch their initials to TU since they joined the dyslexic >>conference; NU, KU, CU) the Big 12 will only have 5 bowl eligible teams. >>The 5th place team, Texas Tech, went to the Copper last year. If the Aloha >>picks TT This could open up a spot in the Copper for someone. > >Why not the Aloha? The team could just camp out there for a few weeks. The UW said they would not accept a bid from the Aloha, because the 25th Dec. game was to close to finals. Believe or not! More importantly, the band could probably not get the proper funding to go. Brad From hatten@azstarnet.com Wed Nov 27 16:27:07 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09155 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:26:55 -0600 Received: from mailhost.azstarnet.com (mailhost.azstarnet.com [169.197.1.8]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23352 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:26:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from hatten (usr15ip46.azstarnet.com [169.197.16.46]) by mailhost.azstarnet.com (8.8.3-p/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA25362 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:23:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611272223.PAA25362@mailhost.azstarnet.com> From: "Mike-Maureen-Josh " To: Subject: Copper Bowl Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:28:29 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Front page of the Arizona Daily Star had an article about UW playing against BYU in the Copper Bowl on Dec 27. Texas has to beat Texas A&M and then the bowl does not have to honor the Big 12 commitment andUW is #1 on their list. That would be great with me. I live in Tucson. Pete Monty made the Big 10 defense first team coaches list along with Tark. From vector8@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 17:28:26 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA10064 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:28:21 -0600 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24246 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:28:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from pas-ca5-14.ix.netcom.com (vector8@pas-ca5-14.ix.netcom.com [199.35.218.174]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09849; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:27:15 -0800 Message-ID: <329CCDCC.1C7C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:25:00 -0800 From: Bob Rosenberg Organization: Vector Travel Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hatten@azstarnet.com CC: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Copper Bowl References: <199611272223.PAA25362@mailhost.azstarnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike-Maureen-Josh wrote: > > Front page of the Arizona Daily Star had an article about UW playing > against BYU in the Copper Bowl on Dec 27. Texas has to beat Texas A&M and > then the bowl does not have to honor the Big 12 commitment andUW is #1 on > their list. That would be great with me. I live in Tucson. > Pete Monty made the Big 10 defense first team coaches list along with Tark. What would a passing game like BYU do to our 2ndary? BobR From Sydneyart@aol.com Wed Nov 27 20:24:00 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA11836 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:23:46 -0600 Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25963 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:23:45 -0600 (CST) From: Sydneyart@aol.com Received: by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA14040; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:23:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:23:14 -0500 Message-ID: <961127212314_1421529266@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: hatten@azstarnet.com, bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Copper Bowl <<; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:22:13 -0600 Received: from ns2.prysm.net (root@ns2.prysm.net [206.137.60.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01008 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:22:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from shv04-3.prysm.net (shv04-3.prysm.net [206.137.60.91]) by ns2.prysm.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04216 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:11:33 -0600 Message-ID: <329DB139.328B@prysm.net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:35:21 -0600 From: Steve Noonan Reply-To: snoonan@prysm.net Organization: LSU-Shreveport ACM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: UW and the I-Bowl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Independence Bowl selection committee has wanted Wisconsin all season; they still do. Right now, Army is also listed as a possibility for the I-Bowl's at large bid, but *I* believe that if we beat Hawaii, and Army doesn't beat Navy, UW will be coming to Shreveport. (Chances are, UW will bring more fans than Army, and that *is* what it's about.) As far as MSU, since MSU was here last year, even if they are the likely candidate, the I-Bowl would take Wisconsin. Of course, seeing my beloved Badgers in a bowl would be a nice New Year's Eve gift.... :) -------------------------------------------------- Steve Noonan LSU-Shreveport ACM "Whatever..." Student Chapter Chairperson snoonan@prysm.net P-A-C-K-E-R-S!!!! From jjlander@sprynet.com Fri Nov 29 01:17:31 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA27022 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:17:26 -0600 Received: from m7.sprynet.com (m7.sprynet.com [165.121.1.64]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06365 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:17:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from 199.174.128.220 (ad25-220.compuserve.com [199.174.128.220]) by m7.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA13814 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 23:17:22 -0800 Message-ID: <329E8D66.8E2@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 02:14:51 -0500 From: "Jonathan J. Newlander" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bucky Followers Subject: ESPN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight on ESPN, Fowler did a little thing on Dayne needing 93 yards to pass Walker and become the all time freshman leader...blah blah blah...we know all that. He intro'd the bit by citing Dayne as one of Alvarez's reasons for staying in Madison. Duh. No kidding. What intrigued me was how causally he said that, as though maybe there's not just credence to some of the rumors of Barry wanting out (which a lot of people on this list have suggested) but that there's something in the works beyond just the idle chatter that always goes on. Did anyone else see this? Am I over-interpreting this? From vector8@ix.netcom.com Fri Nov 29 11:44:01 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00710 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:43:53 -0600 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09519 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:43:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from pas-ca10-12.ix.netcom.com (vector8@pas-ca10-12.ix.netcom.com [204.31.230.140]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA21835; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:43:16 -0800 Message-ID: <329F2031.6856@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:41:05 -0800 From: Bob Rosenberg Organization: Vector Travel Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sydneyart@aol.com CC: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Copper Bowl References: <961127212314_1421529266@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sydneyart@aol.com wrote: > > << <<< > It is absolutely f-ing scary to even think of this possibility. BYU? Oh > ... my ... God .... I can just see the back of Huntley's, Campbell's and > [fill in the blank's} jerseys now. More on BYU. They're a top ten team, non alliance, but hoping for a Fiesta, or some such bid. I hear they're making lawsuit noises if they don't get "consideration". Playing a non ranked bottom tier Big 10 team, cannot be high on their list of alternatives. Seems to me they'd only do it if it was absolutely the only choice. They're ranked 7th, with nothing to gain by beating us by a lot or a little, let alone losing. I don't see that matchup unless BYU only has that choice or stay home. Bob R. From jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu Fri Nov 29 22:36:11 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA04980 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:36:05 -0600 Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13504 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:36:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id WAA68464; 8.7.5/50; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:36:02 -0600 Received: from wha235.vilas.uwex.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id WAA65512; 8.6.9W/42; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:35:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:35:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199611300435.WAA65512@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: BadgerRoy@aol.com, Bucky Badger s Followers From: jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu (Jon Miskowski) Subject: Re: Disturbing quote At 01:06 PM 11/24/96 -0500, BadgerRoy@aol.com wrote: >___________________________________________ >Another rejected candidate, Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, was not among the >final four contenders. "It's disappointing, but I understand the situation," >Alvarez said. "We are having trouble [at Wisconsin] keeping on the right >track." >__________________________________________ >This quote is disturbing for several reasons. First, you wonder why Barry is >so disappointed unless he really wants out of Wisconsin. There are many possibilities: 1. he really wanted the job 2. that he's not on the list is a reflection of a slide in his reputation 3. who wouldn't want to be on the list--even to say no I don't think you can know and I don't think it matters. I'll be dissapointed that I'm not on the short list--again!!--for the commissioner of baseball--but that doesn't mean I really want out of here. Jon Miskowski jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu From Tomsportz@aol.com Sat Nov 30 00:40:44 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05545 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:40:39 -0600 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA14154 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:40:38 -0600 (CST) From: Tomsportz@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA05517 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:07 -0500 Message-ID: <961130014005_1218945180@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: The view from Hawaii I'm a displaced UW alum. on business in Hawaii for a couple weeks, and will be going to the game tomorrow. Just wanted to make a few comments. Has anyone ever had problems w/ the 1800 GOBUCKY ticket line? I called them before I left my home in CA, and first they said they were sold out of tickets, and not believing them, I called back, only to be told they sent the rest of their tickets back to Hawaii. They had no idea how a person could get tickets in the Wis. section, and couldn't even tell me which section they would be in! I then called the UH box office and was only able to get tickets "near" the Wis. section, as they said I had to call UW to get those. OK, whatever. I have met several UW fans visiting for the game and a few of those are checking for extra tickets. I must say it is an interesting feeling to be working far from WI and seeing the bars and restaurants become peppered with UW apparel! Also, the local sports news has had short features on the upcoming game all week. The locals like their football, but they like to have fun, too. They realize that even if UH wins (?), they will finish with their worst season ever, and they are concentrating on honoring their outgoing seniors. They seem to have a certain respect for UW and the B10 in general, routinely using terms like "powerhouse", and every time they interview a UH player, they comment on how big UW is! It sounded like a few of them were focusing on how not to get hurt and still having a good game. They also interviewed a couple UW players as they arrived a couple days ago, and while interviewing Barry (with his lei on), he said something about concentrating on their "normal" strategies, like running the ball alot. I almost choked on him using the word "normal". After watching almost every game this year (courtesy California sports bars), this had a very strange sound to it, like Barry thought nobody from WI would hear him. I realize mixing up the plays is important to keep the opponent off-balance, but I'm also a firm believer in using what works in order to win a game. I don't know how many times I thought to myself earlier in the season, "Please give Ron the ball". Ok, ramble off. Tomikaze@aol.com Thomas R. Hand Ventura, CA From morse@globaldialog.com Sat Nov 30 01:29:57 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA05865 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:29:50 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14466 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:29:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from s20a.globaldialog.com (s20a.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.84]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA09635 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:29:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:29:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611300729.BAA09635@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: BADGER WOMEN B-BALL I expect Sharon will provide details later (film at 11), but thought y'all should know that the Badger Women beat UC-Irvine tonight, 78-68, out in Santa Barbara. Karie Cattanach led the way with 22 pts, shooting 8 for 11, INCLUDING 6 OF 9 THREE-POINTERS!!!!! Do you 'spose if we cut her hair and put a fake moustache on her we could sneak her onto the men's team? =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From Sippycable@aol.com Sat Nov 30 11:14:09 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA09562 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:14:04 -0600 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16495 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:14:03 -0600 (CST) From: Sippycable@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA12178 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:13:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: <961130121332_1421912259@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: The view from Hawaii What time is kickoff and where is the game on real audio? Thanks. From albright@icess.ucsb.edu Sat Nov 30 12:11:44 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA10268 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:11:39 -0600 Received: from icess.ucsb.edu (eos.crseo.ucsb.edu [128.111.100.50]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16797 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:11:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from tinker.crseo.ucsb.edu by icess.ucsb.edu (8.7/SMI-8.7-Icess) id KAA13614; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: albright@icess.ucsb.edu (Tom Albright) Received: by tinker.crseo.ucsb.edu (5.65/Crseo-Client-2.0) id AA23178; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:11:35 -0800 Message-Id: <9611301811.AA23178@tinker.crseo.ucsb.edu> Subject: Re: BADGER WOMEN B-BALL To: morse@globaldialog.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:11:34 -0800 (GMT) Cc: bucky@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <199611300729.BAA09635@msn.globaldialog.com> from "Bob Morse" at Nov 30, 96 01:29:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > I expect Sharon will provide details later (film at 11), but thought y'all > should know that the Badger Women beat UC-Irvine tonight, 78-68, out in > Santa Barbara. Karie Cattanach led the way with 22 pts, shooting 8 for 11, > INCLUDING 6 OF 9 THREE-POINTERS!!!!! > > Do you 'spose if we cut her hair and put a fake moustache on her we could > sneak her onto the men's team? > > =================================================================== > Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI > > So, were you there? I am a grad student here, and was working on campus when I decided to check the Badger Plus web page, only to discover that the Badgers were playing in like 5 minutes. (I knew the Badgers were going to be in town this weekend, but thought it started on Saturday.) So, I dropped my work and cruised over and took in the game. They played a good game. Cattanach was on fire. This was my first time seeing them play and everything I've heard about Keisha Anderson is true. She is clearly an intense competitor. But beating the Gauchos tonight will be tough - they get a pretty good crowd and are supposed to be a decent team. I'll be there! (and I won't be rootin' for no Argentine cowboys) -Tom ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tom Albright Institute for Computational Earth System Science & Department of Geography University of California Santa Barbara, California 93106-4060 vox: (805) 893-8116 fax: (805) 893-2578 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sharon@inxpress.net Sat Nov 30 13:49:42 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA10977 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:49:34 -0600 Received: from ns1.inxpress.net (root@ns1.inxpress.net [204.120.4.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17250 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:49:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from lpd.inxpress.net (whiskey.inxpress.net [204.120.4.167]) by ns1.inxpress.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12802; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:47:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:47:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611301947.NAA12802@ns1.inxpress.net> X-Sender: sharon@inxpress.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sasbaa@unx.sas.com, mallet@ircom.unilim.fr, betta@vms2.macc.wisc.edu, Multiple recipients of list B10WB-L , bucky@cs.wisc.edu, womens-hoops@toto.com, wbball-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, ltproctor@ezonline.com, B.Wolfe@nias.knaw.nl From: sharon@inxpress.net (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin 78 UC-Irvin 68 The Wisconsin women's basketball team journied to Southern California for Thanksgiving. I used all of my not insignificant powers of persuasion to try and talk my way on the team flight. I spent Thanksgiving in Madison. But, it is 40 today. So this is based on newspaper articles and the words of my own correspondent in Santa Barbara. The Badgers rode a half ending streak by Ann Klapperich and a half starting streak by Karie Cattanach to a 78-68 win in a game that was fairly sloppily played and not as close as the score would indicate. The Badger players probably left their collective shooting touch on a beach somewhere as they missed 8 of their first 10 shots and shot a less than red-hot 33% for the first 16:30 of the game. They led only 28-25 at that point. Then the Badger defense took over, making three steals in the last 3:30 of the half. The scoring for that 3:30 was Klapperich 8, other Badgers 5, Anteaters 4. The "Brick House"'s (she doesn't want to be called "Hulk" anymore) run gave the Badgers a 41-29 lead at the break. Cattanach decided to play "anything you can do I can do better." She won that game too. The scoring over the first 5:38 of the second half was Cattanach 13, other Badgers 2, Anteaters 6. Wisconsin lead 56-35 at that point and, for all intents and purposes, the game was over. The Anteaters chipped away at the lead but could never cut it below double figures. Wisconsin continued a pattern that it has shown in the early part of the season. Their 2 key players again had solid games. Klapperich had 19 points. Keisha Anderson had a subpar scoring night with 10 but she offset that with 8 assists. The Badgers have 6 other players (Cattanach, Wiersma, Boston, Hartwig, Paulus and Pate) who are all decent Big 10 players. In each of the 2 exhibition and first 3 regular season games, at least 2 or 3 of those players has stepped up to provide significant contributions. Obviously, they need to become more consistent as individuals, but that should come with time and experience. If that happens, Jane Albright-Dieterle will have a solid core of 8 players and a very nice team. Wisconsin was led by Karie Cattanach. Karie is the career leader in 3 point percentage (.372) in Wisconsin history. Friday night she tied the school record with 6 three's on her way to a career high 22 points. Klapperich added 19 and Anderson 10. Jennah Hartwig, who may be the most consistent of the gang of 6, continued to show why she deserves more minutes with 10 points and 4 rebounds in 15 minutes. Despite fouling out in only 21 minutes Amy Wiersma had 8 points and a team-high 9 rebounds. Irvine was led by Megan Stafford who had 20 points. Leticia Oseguera had 14 and Kirsten Cappel added 12. Wisconsin outrebounded the Anteaters 32-30 and forced 26 turnovers while committing a too high 22 of their own. UC IRVINE (68) fg ft rb min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp Oseguera 32 4-8 6-8 1-4 0 2 14 Stafford 37 5-6 9-10 2-7 3 3 20 Cappel 35 4-8 4-7 2-8 0 2 12 Roberson 19 3-11 2-2 1-5 2 1 8 Anders 30 1-4 0-0 0-0 0 1 2 Hatcher 31 3-5 3-4 0-1 4 4 9 Chen 2 0-0 1-2 0-0 0 0 1 Payton 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 1 0 Mackey 13 1-2 0-0 0-0 2 1 2 _______________________________________________ TOTALS 200 21-44 25-33 6-25 12 15 68 _______________________________________________ Percentages: FG-.477, FT-.758. 3-Point Goals: 1-1, 1.000 (Stafford 1-1). Team rebounds: 5. Blocked shots: None. Turnovers: 26 (Cappel 8, Hatcher 7, Stafford 4, Oseguera 2, Roberson 2, Anders, Chen, Mackey). Steals: 4 (Anders, Hatcher, Oseguera, Roberson). WISCONSIN (78) fg ft rb min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp Klapperich 35 8-15 3-4 0-3 0 4 19 Boston 25 1-7 1-2 1-3 2 2 3 Wiersma 21 3-8 2-2 4-9 0 5 8 Anderson 30 4-10 2-4 1-2 8 4 10 Paulus 16 1-4 0-0 2-3 1 1 2 Pate 10 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 1 0 Cattanach 24 8-11 0-0 1-2 2 2 22 Hartwig 15 3-5 4-4 2-4 0 0 10 Rhodes 20 1-2 2-2 1-2 0 3 4 Konleczny 4 0-0 0-0 1-1 0 1 0 _______________________________________________ TOTALS 200 29-62 14-18 13-30 13 23 78 _______________________________________________ Percentages: FG-.468, FT-.778. 3-Point Goals: 6-14, .429 (Klapperich 0-2, Boston 0-2, Cattanach 6-9, Hartwig 0-1). Team rebounds: 2. Blocked shots: 1 (Wiersma). Turnovers: 22 (Pate 6, Anderson 5, Boston 3, Cattanach 3, Hartwig, Klapperich, Konleczny, Paulus, Rhodes). Steals: 13 (Boston 5, Anderson 2, Cattanach 2, Klapperich, Pate, Paulus, Wiersma). __________________________________ Uc Irvine 29 39 - 68 Wisconsin 41 37 - 78 __________________________________ Technical fouls: None. Officials: Larry Sheppard, Connie Perkins, Percy Anderson. Sharon Official Team Representative for the 199something Big 10 Women's Basketball Champions Wisconsin Badgers sharon@inxpress.net From Sippycable@aol.com Sat Nov 30 15:28:22 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA11423 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:28:17 -0600 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17816 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:28:16 -0600 (CST) From: Sippycable@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA06149 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:27:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <961130162744_2015916030@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Hawaai Game Real Audio Anyone know a site where the game can be heard? From morse@globaldialog.com Sat Nov 30 17:06:54 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA12036 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:06:48 -0600 Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18464 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:06:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from s05a.globaldialog.com (s05a.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.69]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28833 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:06:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:06:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611302306.RAA28833@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: morse@pop.globaldialog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: morse@globaldialog.com (Bob Morse) Subject: Re: Hawaai Game Real Audio >Anyone know a site where the game can be heard? The GameCruiser link from the Badger Plus WWW site doesn't list tonight's game as an option. I'm not a RealAudio guy myself, but can only assume this means that they're just not carrying it. One alternative is the Live Scoreboard at SportsLine's WWW site. These guys provide almost-real-time updates to games in progress: http://www.sportsline.com/u/sportsticker/scoreboard/ncaaf4sbd.htm Or, of course, you can rely on my never-ever-wrong prediction: Dayne will break Herschel Walker's record in the 1st Q, will break Moss' record and pass Darnell Autry for the B-10 rushing crown in the 2nd Q, and Bucky will win 56-0 (35-0 at halftime). Now that you know the outcome, you can just get some sleep tonight and read the details tomorrow. =================================================================== Bob Morse , Badger SoftWerks, Mt. Horeb, WI From jjlander@sprynet.com Sat Nov 30 20:07:18 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA12892 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:07:11 -0600 Received: from m7.sprynet.com (m7.sprynet.com [165.121.1.64]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19367 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:06:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from 199.174.203.154 (ad83-154.compuserve.com [199.174.203.154]) by m7.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA04418 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:06:46 -0800 Message-ID: <32A0E796.7B0@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:04:06 -0500 From: "Jonathan J. Newlander" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bucky Followers Subject: Bucky On Real Audio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the Badger Plus web site, there is a connection to GameCruiser and it says that tonight's game will in fact be broadcast via Real Audio. I think the URL is as follows for the GameCruiser broadcast: http://www.gamecruiser.com/gc/live/ns_wi_fb.html Coverage is said to start at 10:20PM CST. I'll be listening if it really is broadcast. Jon From sharon@inxpress.net Sat Nov 30 23:48:33 1996 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by sea.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA14410 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:48:21 -0600 Received: from ns1.inxpress.net (root@ns1.inxpress.net [204.120.4.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20575 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:48:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from d80.inxpress.net (d80.inxpress.net [204.120.4.208]) by ns1.inxpress.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA24252; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:46:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:46:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612010546.XAA24252@ns1.inxpress.net> X-Sender: sharon@inxpress.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sasbaa@unx.sas.com, mallet@ircom.unilim.fr, betta@vms2.macc.wisc.edu, Multiple recipients of list B10WB-L , bucky@cs.wisc.edu, womens-hoops@toto.com, wbball-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, ltproctor@ezonline.com, B.Wolfe@nias.knaw.nl From: sharon@inxpress.net (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin 100 Santa Barbara 95 I don't have many details except the final. Wisconsin trailed all night on the ticker. Oh, yeah, Keisha Anderson had 45 points. Sharon Official Team Representative for the 199something Big 10 Women's Basketball Champions Wisconsin Badgers sharon@inxpress.net