From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 9 11:31:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA00642; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (schroeder.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA00638 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from macbeth (macbeth.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.26]) by schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA00947 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990809113127.009eb4a0@pop.cs.wisc.edu> X-Sender: sjackson@pop.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:31:27 -0500 To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu From: sam jackson Subject: [[DMOL]] thinky-thinky Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list i have found the human condition suggested across the street from my apartment, a vomit stain on the 'subway' awning, oozed down from the apartment window directly above it. salmon colored and stagnant, it suggests so much. 00001 sam From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Mon Aug 9 11:33:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA00665; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from janice.cs.wisc.edu (janice.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.12]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA00661 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by janice.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA26693 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908091633.LAA26693@janice.cs.wisc.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-URL: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bloy/index.html To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [[DMOL]] thinky-thinky Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:33:25 -0500 From: Mike Bloy Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list Someone named sam jackson spake thus: > i have found the human condition suggested across the street from my > apartment, a vomit stain on the 'subway' awning, oozed down from the > apartment window directly above it. > salmon colored and stagnant, it suggests so much. You know, you really have to move off of State St. -- Mike Bloy DESPITE strong evidence to the contrary, persistant rumor has it that it was Mr. Momomoto's brother who swallowed Mr. Momomoto in the summer of '44. From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 01:58:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id BAA04325; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:58:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA04321 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:57:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f262.hotmail.com [207.82.251.153]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA12575 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 87997 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 1999 06:57:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990831065727.87996.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 144.92.44.76 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:57:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [144.92.44.76] From: "C Markos" To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [[DMOL]] Life Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:57:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list Is there life after death? or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after someone else's? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 06:02:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA15541; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:02:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA15537 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:02:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.inxpress.net (IDENT:root@mail.inxpress.net [204.120.4.36]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA16773 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inxpress.net (d12-168.mdm.inxpress.net [208.16.9.168]) by mail.inxpress.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04572; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <37CB6EF8.71D7DF54@inxpress.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:58:16 +0000 From: Shining Shadow Organization: A cluttered desk is a sign of genius, I tell you! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [[DMOL]] Life References: <19990831065727.87996.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list C Markos wrote: > > Is there life after death? No. > or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after someone else's? Yes. Regards, Tim the Blunt ICQ #9563133 -- "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing." --Tool From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 09:42:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA27626; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (schroeder.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27622 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:42:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from macbeth (macbeth.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.26]) by schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA27764; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990831094208.009d4c70@pop.cs.wisc.edu> X-Sender: sjackson@pop.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:42:08 -0500 To: "C Markos" , dmol@cs.wisc.edu From: sam jackson Subject: Re: [[DMOL]] Life In-Reply-To: <19990831065727.87996.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list no. once somebody dies, nobody else perpetuates. everything ends once one single person dies. nothing ever happens ever again. 00001 >Is there life after death? > >or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after someone else's? > From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 10:12:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA28851; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:12:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA28831 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:12:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26280 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:12:32 -0500 (CDT) From: khines@erdman.com Received: from smtp-gateway.erdman.com (smtp-gateway.erdman.com [205.173.178.249]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA16480 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:12:29 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtp-gateway.erdman.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.00) id AA936112288; Tue, 31 Aug 99 10:11:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9908319361.AA936112288@smtp-gateway.erdman.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.00 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 99 10:10:00 -0600 To: Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list Well...if we follow Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum," (I think, therefore I am) then it is quite posssible that everyone else is a figment of my imagination. No one, and nothing, really exists except me. All the rest is just in my mind. The same would be true for you, unless of course you aren't real. So following this theory, if you die (cease thinking), then everything ceases to exist; for you that is. But then one can pose the question: Is there thought after death? Ken The One Who Has Been Discussing WAAAY Too Much Philosophy on the Internet -----Original Message----- From: sam jackson at internet Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:42 AM To: "C Markos" at INTERNET; dmol@cs.wisc.edu at INTERNET Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life no. once somebody dies, nobody else perpetuates. everything ends once one single person dies. nothing ever happens ever again. 00001 >Is there life after death? > >or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after someone else's? > From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 10:54:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA01614; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:54:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from marengo.cs.wisc.edu (marengo.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.28]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01610 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:54:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bloy@localhost) by marengo.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA28198 for dmol@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:54:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29665 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:21:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nsmr3.amfam.com (nsmr3.amfam.com [204.29.134.136]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26584 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alw013pc.amfam.com by mail1.amfam.com for dmol@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:19:46 -0500 From: "Amy L. Westra" To: Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:19:35 -0500 Message-Id: <000101bef3c4$3c4113b0$d93f410a@amfam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <9908319361.AA936112288@smtp-gateway.erdman.com> Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Amy L. Westra" Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list Okay that train of thought made my head hurt. Also if cease of thought = death. Then I know a lot of people who are the walking dead. But on a serious note. Is there really death, because if you subscribe to the belief that I do that there is life after death, then there can't really be a death, just a really big change in enviroment. Okay I have to stop thinking at work. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu > [mailto:owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of > khines@erdman.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:10 AM > To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu > Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life > > > > Well...if we follow Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum," (I think, > therefore I am) then > it is quite posssible that everyone else is a figment of my > imagination. No > one, and nothing, really exists except me. All the rest is > just in my mind. > The same would be true for you, unless of course you aren't > real. So following > this theory, if you die (cease thinking), then everything > ceases to exist; for > you that is. But then one can pose the question: Is there > thought after death? > Ken > The One Who Has Been Discussing WAAAY Too Much Philosophy on > the Internet > > -----Original Message----- > From: sam jackson at internet > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:42 AM > To: "C Markos" at INTERNET; dmol@cs.wisc.edu at > INTERNET > Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life > > > no. once somebody dies, nobody else perpetuates. everything > ends once one > single person dies. nothing ever happens ever again. > > 00001 > > >Is there life after death? > > > >or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after someone else's? > > > > From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 11:02:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA01940; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (schroeder.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA01936 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from macbeth (macbeth.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.26]) by schroeder.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA28852 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990831110246.009e4e50@pop.cs.wisc.edu> X-Sender: sjackson@pop.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:46 -0500 To: From: sam jackson Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life In-Reply-To: <000101bef3c4$3c4113b0$d93f410a@amfam.com> References: <9908319361.AA936112288@smtp-gateway.erdman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list 'to die' in elizabethan times was a euphemism for 'to achieve orgasm'; of course there's life after death - i myself have died four times in one night, and managed to make it to work at 8am the next day. 00001 sam At 10:19 AM 8/31/99 -0500, Amy L. Westra wrote: >Okay that train of thought made my head hurt. > >Also if cease of thought = death. Then I know a lot of people who are the >walking dead. > >But on a serious note. >Is there really death, because if you subscribe to the belief that I do that >there is life after death, then there can't really be a death, just a really >big change in enviroment. > >Okay I have to stop thinking at work. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu >> [mailto:owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of >> khines@erdman.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:10 AM >> To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu >> Subject: RE: [[DMOL]] Life >> >> >> >> Well...if we follow Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum," (I think, >> therefore I am) then >> it is quite posssible that everyone else is a figment of my >> imagination. No >> one, and nothing, really exists except me. All the rest is >> just in my mind. >> The same would be true for you, unless of course you aren't >> real. So following >> this theory, if you die (cease thinking), then everything >> ceases to exist; for >> you that is. But then one can pose the question: Is there >> thought after death? >> Ken >> The One Who Has Been Discussing WAAAY Too Much Philosophy on >> the Internet >> From owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Tue Aug 31 11:36:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA04680; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:36:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from marengo.cs.wisc.edu (marengo.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.162.28]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA04676 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bloy@localhost) by marengo.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA28436 for dmol@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA04295 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA29710 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:28:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990831162905.375.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.130.174.218] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:29:05 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Allegra Harness Subject: Re: [[DMOL]] Life To: dmol@cs.wisc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-dmol@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: list --- sam jackson wrote: > no. once somebody dies, nobody else perpetuates. > everything ends once one > single person dies. nothing ever happens ever > again. You're amusing, Sam. I will be leaving this list shortly (today) for a four month hiatus, but I had to jump at the chance to leave a cryptic and equally confusing response: Is there life after death? DO YOU WANT THERE TO BE? Whether it be someone else's death or your own... what do you want? Granted, choices are narrowed, but a. Do you want to believe in life after death for the "dead" soul? If you do, then you're set. If you don't, then you're set. What you believe is what is the truth for you, and no one has the right to step on that. b. Do you want to believe in your life after someone else's death? Again, up to you. The fates are not always decided against you. There is not just one destiny. All the fates can do is guide, but it's important to remember that they act incompassionately, unfeelingly, and most importantly, UNMALICIOUSLY. They simply act. YOU are the person who decides how you will deal with the action. I've seen a lot of good come out of a lot of bad and vice versa just depending on how the subject decided to deal with the process. So is there life after death? What do YOU want? Is there life after someone else's death? Again, what do you want? You've gotta work for it, but if you decide you want it, you'll get it. So stop worrying about it, take it easy, remember what's important, and if you get impatient, read a copy of desiderata. : ) > > 00001 > > >Is there life after death? > > > >or more importantly, perhaps.. is there life after > someone else's? > > > > === "Old man sitting in the shade of a palm tree, He says 'These things are all that is true: Life is suffering, suffering is life. Be happy with the small things that come to you. They will come to you.' " -- Savuka "In My African Dream" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com