From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 3 07:02:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07297 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:02:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA07293 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:02:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06991 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:03:41 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:07:21 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: [DARKMISTS] Unhoused People Raiding Houses Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I was wondering.. i know it's ok for unhoused people to raid houses, but is there some law or something that says they must give the item back, if the person who has it is unhoused? The reason i'm asking is that as soon as ancient was disbanded, Oksana, Hashkar and Malkith raided House Life.. they didn't get the seed, they just wanted to kill me, which they did.. but, they did go raid outlaw, and took their ring.. it just seems pointless for unhoused people to take house items, other than to be pains in the ass.. just a thought Quintar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 09:55:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08681 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08677 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:55:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f217.hotmail.com [207.82.251.108]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA13278 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:54:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9675 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 14:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707145428.9674.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:54:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Unhoused People Raiding Houses Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:54:27 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well it seems that you all have stopped talking for a bit. I was wondering the same thing As Quintar was. For I have seen unhoused take house items and hand to a low level person or put it somewhere other than a shrine, and I Thought there was something saying not to do that but I may be mistaken just would like to know. Adam A. Hubbard A.K.A. Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 09:58:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA09055 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f176.hotmail.com [207.82.251.62]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA13395 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5956 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 14:58:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707145819.5955.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:58:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] New Ancients? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:58:18 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have haerd that there is a new group of Ancients already, but others have said that they are just parading around and are not really a house. What is the status with ancient if you know? Is there a new house or do we just have a bunch of wannabe's? Besides that how about we get some new discussions going here, It's getting kind of boring. Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 13:15:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14040 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14036 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18781 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-051.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.51]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07273 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35A2668F.37690369@telenet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:18:57 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] New Ancients? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980707145819.5955.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu OK, far as I know, no new Ancients have been put in yet. If you think about it, it's going to be a new house, that requires coding, building etc.... I'd be willing to bet we got a little bit of a wait in store to see if they get off the ground any time soon... AC aka Hashkar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 14:07:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15070 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15066 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f100.hotmail.com [207.82.250.219]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA20084 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 27786 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 19:07:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707190702.27784.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:07:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] New Ancients? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:07:01 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ----Original Message Follows---- From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 11:16:17 1998 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA14078; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:16:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14040 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14036 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18781 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-051.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.51]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07273 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35A2668F.37690369@telenet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:18:57 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] New Ancients? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980707145819.5955.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk OK, far as I know, no new Ancients have been put in yet. If you think about it, it's going to be a new house, that requires coding, building etc.... I'd be willing to bet we got a little bit of a wait in store to see if they get off the ground any time soon... AC aka Hashkar That is exactly what I thought too, but then I see these people going around saying they are the new Ancients and I thought that maybe it should be dealt with, as a programmer myself I know that the coding for that would take quite some time even though I am sure they started on it before the old house fell or I would guess so I could be wrong though. Just trying to get some discussion going here anyways. Adam aka Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 7 16:19:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA20603 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:19:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20599 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:19:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22820 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:19:09 -0500 (CDT) From: FredJam@aol.com Received: from FredJam@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8MTRa29473 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ee6d9c0.35a290ab@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:18:33 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Unhoused People Raiding Houses Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-07 10:55:24 EDT, you write: << Well it seems that you all have stopped talking for a bit. I was wondering the same thing As Quintar was. For I have seen unhoused take house items and hand to a low level person or put it somewhere other than a shrine, and I Thought there was something saying not to do that but I may be mistaken just would like to know >> Last I knew House Items were not allowed to be dropped anywhere except house altars. Otherwise an Immortal will just destroy the item. As for houseless raiding. It's a great way to kill people. Raid, force them to defend and kill them. or steal their item and take it to another house, drop it there and kill them when they try to recover it. It's a real pain trying to recover your item when soming drops it in the crusader house=) -Falerus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 8 09:06:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA10299 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10291 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:05:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.67.134]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06833 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:05:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e105723@localhost) by amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00583; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:01:30 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:01:29 +0300 (EET DST) From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I want to ask a question to Immortals? I know this Knight of Lemmniscates are not house but they can get notes via note to lemniscate. If someone wanted to create similar organization namely clan, Not with any house power but only to roleplay and fun. What are requirements of this clan, Whom i should talk about this? And second question is If this clan can get clantalk. in my mind i want to build the Drow house only dark-elves allowed. And of course members are not allowed to enter human's houses namely our 8 houses. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 8 09:56:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13834 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:56:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13830 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:56:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orca.cc.metu.edu.tr (orca.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.104]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07991 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e100345@localhost) by orca.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA151148; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:49:57 +0300 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:49:57 +0300 (WET) From: aytug karakadioglu To: darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The new ancients? *cackle*. I don't know who started it, but there is a big mistake going on... It must be the late Ancient-phobia, and the terror of dying and loosing the hard earned equipment, which you have been holding in hand for ages... Let me explain a little bit...We never said we were the new ancients, people in various houses said that...We never wanted to be Ancients, and won't apply to. We didn't kill that much people, we just made a change and killed housed people, much to their surprise and, umm, terror. Anyway, that's all for now. Please stop this "Look, they are the new Ancients..!" thing and go on playing... We may kill, we may die...All can happen (especially with, hmm let me see, Crusader, Outlaw, Arcana and Life after us). Heh, guess we'll have to kill some Legion and Valor, too...And maybe some Enforcers, if they ever come in, of course... ( Hope this will add a little bit heat to the discussion...*wink*) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 8 10:19:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15584 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15577 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA08576 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24747 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 1998 15:18:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19980708151839.24746.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:18:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: your mail Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:18:39 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You said the same thing that a note to Arcana has said and well that is what I thought. Well you sure have made things interesting though, you had people wondering. That makes things more fun when you aren't sure what is going to happen. Unpredictability is better than boring old routines. That is what makes DM a great mud in my opinion. You never know what might happen next. Just like with the destruciton of midgaard, I sure wasn't ready for that to happen when it did but it was funning seeing all the immortals in market square heh though I was watching from a safe distance. Things like that are far more enjoyable. I hope that more things are to come that we have no idea what they are and I am sure there are already plans in the making by the great immortal staff. Well Let's get a few more people talking here. Maybe have throw out some ideas so that the imms can get some more feedback. That is what this is great for. Toss some ideas out and let's get some good conversations going. Adam aka Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 8 17:35:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07407 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:35:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07403 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:35:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19790 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:35:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8JDIa20768 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:34:33 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Clans Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu <> I like the idea, but it could get a little out of hand. If every race had their own clan then it would kind of deteriorate the houses. On the other hand, a clan of all races could be set up, as well as a house. I woulnd mind seeing a monk clan set up because my monk is a "B'omarr clan member", Khain if you havent seen her or heard her. Just an idea, maybe not only monks. If we could get this clan set up maybe (if the idea ever passes) I have some creative ideas. I would like to see this idea implemented in the future. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 08:12:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA28908 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:12:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28904 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:11:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f164.hotmail.com [207.82.251.50]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA00982 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4642 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1998 13:11:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19980709131124.4641.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 06:11:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] New Areas Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:11:24 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I too have a question for the Immortals. I was just wondering whether there are any new areas for higher level chars to rank at or that would have equipment that is going to be able to be gotten by high level chars only. I know it takes a long time to code the news things since I am a programmer myself. Just wondering what we might have in store or if you can give us some hints about what new might be somewhere along the way and what type of time frame we are looking at. Change is almost always good. Even though the game rocks already. You have done a great job. Well just a few thoughts. See you all in Thera. Adam aka Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 11:38:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04602 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04598 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:38:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05401 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:38:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-182.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.182]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26545 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A4E556.A785513E@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:44:23 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] References: <19980709131124.4641.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok, I know we aren't hopping like we usually do. So I'm gonna throw out a topic that I've been thinking about. Charm person. How many people that play Anti-Paladin's or us charming staves actually have success with this spell? And does the timer really help? My theory is that because of the way the spell was changed, it's harder to get mobs, and thus the timer really isn't needed. Along with that, I think that the Higher Level mobs are almost impossible to get because of their outrageous stats. I think that most mobs in the 50's have max stats, and not just racial stats, but god like stats. Mean- ing 24's or better across. So I throw this out to you, is the timer really needed? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 11:45:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04796 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04792 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f25.hotmail.com [207.82.250.36]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA05595 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:45:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26792 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1998 16:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19980709164445.26791.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:44:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:44:45 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu That is something I have been thinking about as well. I have not played an A-P, but I hve tried on many occasion to get charm person staves and such to work. Throm my char has even set with his wife falanderin and we have treid to get one to work on each other but we have had no luck. I have tried to charm mobs alos with no luck. The spell does not work very often at all so if you think there needs to be a timer make it just 1 tick that makes it tough in battle to flee out and ocme back and keep trying it but it doesn't keep from trying to get a mob over and over again. So you have to wait one tick big deal I am sure you have waited much longer of rother things to ear off. Well that is my opinion at least. Maybe it could b emade so it would work a little more often on mobs. Adam aka Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 17:23:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA17210 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:23:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17206 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13661 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust63.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.63]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19622 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501bdab88$84f51c80$3f9e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion and Valor Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:25:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'm not quite clear on how Legion is supposed to rule the realm if they dont interfere with the other Houses, or how Valor is supposed to stop them if they are not allowed to PK. Can someone clear this up for me? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 17:26:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA17396 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17392 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:26:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13738 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust63.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.63]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21466 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdab89$051874c0$3f9e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:29:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu But on the other hand....have you ever been charmed? I have. (not Malignus, an old Lifer I had). No question, it is the wickedest spell in the realm. You can be made to give up all your items, humiliate yourself in Glyndale, then be led to suffer a mob death. I'm glad it doesnt work too often. Just my opinion. (Malignus) -----Original Message----- From: Adam Hubbard To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person >That is something I have been thinking about as well. I have not played >an A-P, but I hve tried on many occasion to get charm person staves and >such to work. Throm my char has even set with his wife falanderin and >we have treid to get one to work on each other but we have had no luck. >I have tried to charm mobs alos with no luck. The spell does not work >very often at all so if you think there needs to be a timer make it just >1 tick that makes it tough in battle to flee out and ocme back and keep >trying it but it doesn't keep from trying to get a mob over and over >again. So you have to wait one tick big deal I am sure you have waited >much longer of rother things to ear off. Well that is my opinion at >least. Maybe it could b emade so it would work a little more often on >mobs. > >Adam >aka Throm > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 18:40:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20088 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20084 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:40:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dns1.multipro.com (root@dns1.multipro.com [12.13.128.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15252 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (120.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.150]) by dns1.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10970 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807091737.MAA10970@dns1.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Legion and Valor Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:40:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ---------- > From: Scott C. Hill > To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Subject: [DARKMISTS] Legion and Valor > Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 5:25 PM > > I'm not quite clear on how Legion is supposed to rule the realm if they dont > interfere with the other Houses, or how Valor is supposed to stop them if > they are not allowed to PK. Can someone clear this up for me? No one said, nor is it true that Legion doesn't interfere with other houses. It is also a false statement to say that those of Valor are not allowed to player-kill. So, to clear it up, everything said above is false. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 9 22:40:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23933 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23929 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19016 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-114-2.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.114.2]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27887 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A5808E.F13DFA35@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:46:39 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person References: <000c01bdab89$051874c0$3f9e2299@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Scott C. Hill wrote: > I'm glad it doesnt work too often. > > Just my opinion. > > (Malignus) Have you been charmed lately? I mean recently, heck has ANYONE! *echo* *echo* Are you getting my drift? This spell A-P's have while "wicked" as you called it, it is now the most useless. I'm testing this spell right now trying to figure out what can and can't be charmed. From what I've seen, most mobs in the realm that I would consider worth charming, are immune to it. Granted Healers, Shoppies, and things of this nature should always be this way, but Knights in the Arkham swamps? Once again though even if they weren't immune to it. I'd have to say The probability of it happening is slim to none because a) There god like stats b) my ungod like stats. Giants, In my opinion, shouldn't be able to charm just any elf. BUT at some point that giant should be able to. The spell is nice. But if it's not used what good is it? When you look around and see a hero a-p, does he have charmies with him? Now ask yourself this....at what rank did you rank off the mobs he has charmed? 40-45. I believe A-P's started with the ability to charm 3 mobs, That's way too powerful, and they aren't necros. So they cut it to 2. So now you have 2 good mobs, and they put a timer on it. After that there was a change in the way the spell was. So the 2 mobs that you could get, you can no longer because your character isn't brighter than or some such. In my opinion while the changing of the way the spell was, to the way it is now, is fine. It makes perfect sense. But to give a timer to the person casting the spell and saying, You are mentally drained and can't charm for a few hours, is out in left field. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Jul 11 18:55:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA12061 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12057 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:55:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f17.hotmail.com [207.82.250.28]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22544 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:55:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12478 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 1998 23:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980711235458.12477.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.154.136.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:54:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.154.136.54] From: "{ Kinjal }" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:54:58 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu HMM...I dont know how the spell really works, but I was charmed by a leprecorn once (During St.Patrik's day with Lominstra), and I was able to nightwalk away, So if you are a mage, this spell isn't that bad even if it does effect you. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 14:17:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA23754 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23750 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00462 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:17:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-117-207.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.117.207]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25674 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A8FF1F.EDEECDFF@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:23:28 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person References: <19980711235458.12477.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu { Kinjal } wrote: > HMM...I dont know how the spell really works, but I was charmed by a > leprecorn once (During St.Patrik's day with Lominstra), and I was able > to nightwalk away, So if you are a mage, this spell isn't that bad even > if it does effect you. I'm glad you brought that up, it's a perfect example. If I recall correctly the little guy went running around town yelling stuff Like where's me gold, or something to that nature...all the while, he "tried" to charm people. I think we heard all kinds of yells as he tried to charm people but he had failed, so he tried again and again. Now inorder for someone to do that 3 things have to happen. 1) Your stats Str, Int, Wis, Dex, and Con, or part of them, have to be better or equal to of the person you are charming. If I was correct in the hearing of the way the spell worked, that is the first part of how the spell worked and the greatest "hurdle," if you will, Granted there is always a small chance that a spell will succeed. 5%, please correct me if I'm wrong. Back to my example though 2)After casting the charm person spell "successfully," that means you didn't lose concentration. Doesn't mean that you failed doing it, but that you cast it and didn't lose concentration. After you've "successfully" cast the spell a timer is put in your affects. Now to me this makes no sense but I'll let it ride. After the timer goes away then you can charm again. 3 ticks, or Hours as it's called is how long this timer last. Now does anyone remember how long it took for the gold chasing fool to "feel up to charming?" Not 3 hours or ticks. He immediately cast it again and again, even then, still not charming the person he was after. 3) the next thing that happens after the spell is cast...be it successful in casting but not charming, or lost concentration, a big brawl breaks out. Do you remember the leprechaun fighting with people, for a long time anyways? So for all this to happen a god went through a lot of trouble to cast this spell. He had to up all of his stats, fix the timer that he was getting each time he cast it, and then keep the fight from breaking out. That's so he could abuse the spell like it used to be. Now tell me what race that we have available to us has max 25's across the board? None. So a Troll charming an Elf, not likely to happen. Elf charming a troll, possibly could happen. Taking into the equations saves of the troll, and level of the charmer versus the level of the charmee. Do you think a troll should charm an elf every time? I don't. To that I applaud the change of the spell. But to the timer once again, I say you've gone too far. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 14:51:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24326 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24322 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:51:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f177.hotmail.com [207.82.251.63]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA00792 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:51:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 13766 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 1998 19:51:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980712195102.13765.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:51:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.144] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] NEW !!! Darkmists UnOfficial Armory and Information Database Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:51:01 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Totally New!!! http://www.fleur-de-lis.com/Darkmists/index.html We are setting up the most comprehensive, most candid, most informative site on Darkmists on the Net. We have compiled already the most comprehensive Item List on the Net, and are supplying the players of Darkmists with the locations of all items. All shrine locations and brand abilities are listed, and soon all House powers will too! We have the Ceran's Darkmists code from a a while back, which includes Myth Drannor, Arkham Legions, and much much more! We have maps of most areas, and all areas will be mapped and put on the site. Wanna know the chance to do something in DM... check the code !! Wanna know where that nice sword comes from .. check the Armory. 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A REAL PK Guide, and how to avoid PK's Thanks, Kevin Broughton aka Sylvaene Mistwind, Betrayer of Adorno, Seeker of REAL Truth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 15:11:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA24534 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24530 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00931 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-117-207.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.117.207]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09767 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A90BC0.A1927D00@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:17:21 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] NEW !!! Darkmists UnOfficial Armory and Information Database References: <19980712195102.13765.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sylvaene Mistwind wrote: > Totally New!!! > > http://www.fleur.de-lis.com/Darkmists/index.html_1 While I like Darkmist and any information you want to give to me about it, I think the link to the porn site is a bit too much. So because the WARNING isn't present to you like it should be, DO NOT GO to the site listed before this mail message, it has pictures when you might not want. And if this was an accident for this to be brought out...It needs to be fixed. And to put your name on such a email is sad. Once again if you want info on DM stuff, I'd suggest finding it in a cleaner environment. The one listed in the other email is not for children or one offended by nudity. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 15:23:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25016 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:23:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25012 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:23:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01046 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:23:20 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8OWYa27696 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44da8249.35a91b1a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:22:48 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] NEW !!! Darkmists UnOfficial Armory and Information Database Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu thta is rediculas! it is bad enough to put where everything comes from, but the shrines are going to far, your taking all the fun out of the game! From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 20:24:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA28532 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:24:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28528 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03441 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:24:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (tp244-27.dialup.seed.net.tw) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IZBSY39ONWF4DX7J@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:24:04 EDT Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:18:06 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] NEW !!! Darkmists UnOfficial Armory and Information Database To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35A9604E.75BBD094@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <44da8249.35a91b1a@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ManPrsnGuy@aol.com wrote: > > thta is rediculas! it is bad enough to put where everything comes from, but > the shrines are going to far, your taking all the fun out of the game! I personally was offended that about four windows opened up with porn. I'm sure it surprised and annoyed a couple other people. Secondly, They can put the information on the webpage, you have the choice whether or not you want to use it. BUT, I think that if the immortals don't want you to put it up, you shouldn't. Then again, if you wanted to, there is truly nothing you can do about it. Thirdly, if you've been around darkmists for a while most of this stuff is common knowledge, location of shrines, house abilities, but it was the fun of discovery when you didn't know that made it interesting. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 20:40:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA29072 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:40:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29052 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:40:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f134.hotmail.com [207.82.251.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA03606 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:40:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9139 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 01:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713013957.9138.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:39:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.178] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] UnOfficial Armory and Information Database - To Those Who Whine And Complain Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:39:57 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Look,.. this is how it is. Information should be free, if I want to have a site that has exact instructions on how to hack Darkmists thats my business. So stop whining about "Going to Far" with putting shrine locations on the web site. The fact is, that it will make it easier for people to become better players and for the game to become more challenging and more roleplaying intensive rather than simply who knows the most. Further, on the matter of my sponsor. This site is not free, so I must have a sponsor to give me the Mbytes. Bannersolutions was gracious enough to give me the space, and so I am obliged to show a banner from them. However, I can minimize its size and place a warning on the front page to warn those who might be offended. I don't want this to be a bitching contest.. the site's purpose it to aid in the proliferation of information about the Mists... and to help raise the challenge of the mud to make it more exciting for everyone. Kevin Broughton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 21:09:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29799 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29795 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03882 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wirikidor (shelby-237.shelby.net [207.201.214.237]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14650 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdae03$8e704820$0e0110ac@wirikidor.shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] UnOfficial Armory and Information Database - To Those Who Whine And Complain Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu My two cents, First of all, the guy is right, he can put whatever he wants wherever he wants, it's his right. Second, his site is just a rip of Xyza's, it doesn't have shrine locations or brand powers. With that in mind (this is Third) I think this is just a ploy for this guy to make a buck? How's that? Well, there are many porn and casino sites that will pay you a certain amount, oh like $.20 for every unique click on their banner. So every unique ip that clicks on their banner (or they are forced to in this case), he gets some change, but that adds up ya know ;-) And please don't preach the "I have to have a sponcer" bit, you can get a geocities page and all you'll have to do is put their annoying banner up. Also, that code you have for download is basic ROM, I looked through it, it has public domain areas and nothing that was made specially for DM. So, my advice is, don't go to the site, don't give this guy any money. And to Sylvaene Mistwind, I and I'm sure every one else would prefer you didn't use the notes on Dark Mists or this mailing list to spam. Xeonauz Of course, the views expressed here are not necessarily the same as the rest of the pantheon. -----Original Message----- From: Sylvaene Mistwind To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:40 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] UnOfficial Armory and Information Database - To Those Who Whine And Complain >Look,.. this is how it is. > >Information should be free, if I want to have a site that has exact >instructions on how to hack Darkmists thats my business. So stop whining >about "Going to Far" with putting shrine locations on the web site. The >fact is, that it will make it easier for people to become better players >and for the game to become more challenging and more roleplaying >intensive rather than simply who knows the most. > >Further, on the matter of my sponsor. This site is not free, so I must >have a sponsor to give me the Mbytes. Bannersolutions was gracious >enough to give me the space, and so I am obliged to show a banner from >them. However, I can minimize its size and place a warning on the front >page to warn those who might be offended. > >I don't want this to be a bitching contest.. the site's purpose it to >aid in the proliferation of information about the Mists... and to help >raise the challenge of the mud to make it more exciting for everyone. > >Kevin Broughton > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 12 23:35:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01070 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:35:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01066 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:35:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05469 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:35:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Myqel@aol.com Received: from Myqel@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8RGa007259 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:34:33 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] UnOfficial Armory and Information Database - To Those Who Whin Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-12 22:10:16 EDT, you write: << First of all, the guy is right, he can put whatever he wants wherever he wants, it's his right. Second, his site is just a rip of Xyza's, it doesn't have shrine locations or brand powers. >> Pardon me, but I know for a FACT that there are a lot of young people (under 17) playing darkmists and I also know that they also receive this newsletter. To promote DarkMists on a Porn webpage is just inviting these "children" to the other site. The guy posting this web page address is posting in the wrong area. I poersonally find it appalling that he is doing so. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 01:50:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03656 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:50:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03652 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:50:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f241.hotmail.com [207.82.251.132]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA06919 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:50:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15949 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 06:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713065023.15948.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.180 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:50:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.180] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] DM Web Page Appologies, Addendums, Error Fixes, Etc Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:50:23 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu To show that I am doing this purely for the players of DM I am going to say a few things in my defense. First: I fixed the site so that any person/child does not have to see anything if they do not wish to. There is a simple banner which appears now which shows no nudity but simply advertises my sponsor. Second: Xeonauz, you are a fool. I have updated Xyza's site immensely. I added shrine locations and brand abilities. The code you looked at has Ceran's name all over it and also has ALL of Myth Drannor and Arkham Legions. Funny how you, in your ultra moronic way, missed say every skill/class/race that DM added in the code. In fact if you even bothered to look at the license.txt Ceran very simply states that he published it. Third: I attempted to do this on on SuperNews and Onestop.net and the size restrictions were too much. I am not making money off this site, so stop trying to make this into something its not. Lastly, thankyou to those who have sent me identifications of your eq. By the end of this week every items location will be in the armory database, the beginners guide should be done, and the page with the areas on it should be done. Once again to Xeonauz, (aka Rupprecht and Radix, or Tim as he is also called) You are the most pathetic excuse for a player i have ever had the displeasure of meeting. You got caught cheating so many times I am amazed you could suck Syx's dick enough to finally Immort, but now that you have, how does it feel to know that you are now the most pathetic Immortal I have ever met? Oh btw, how does it feel love and lose? Sylvaene Mistwind ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 01:55:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03842 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03838 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:55:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06933 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Myqel@aol.com Received: from Myqel@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8NAGa26166 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <696ca7ce.35a9af1c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:54:19 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Web Page Appologies, Addendums, Error Fixes, Etc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-13 02:51:11 EDT, you write: << Once again to Xeonauz, (aka Rupprecht and Radix, or Tim as he is also called) You are the most pathetic excuse for a player i have ever had the displeasure of meeting. You got caught cheating so many times I am amazed you could s*** Syx's d*** enough to finally Immort, but now that you have, how does it feel to know that you are now the most pathetic Immortal I have ever met? Oh btw, how does it feel love and lose? >> This is totally uncalled for. Personal are NOT permitted on this information board.. As I am sure you will find out soon enough. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 01:57:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA04044 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04040 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06950 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Myqel@aol.com Received: from Myqel@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8DLFa04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <483902b0.35a9af9a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:56:24 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Web Page Appologies, Addendums, Error Fixes, Etc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-13 02:55:20 EDT, you write: << This is totally uncalled for. Personal are NOT permitted on this information board.. As I am sure you will find out soon enough. >> Personal attacks are Not permitted on this information board. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 02:15:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA04628 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04624 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dns1.multipro.com (root@dns1.multipro.com [12.13.128.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07045 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (122.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.152]) by dns1.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12250 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807130111.UAA12250@dns1.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Code Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I will not even touch the ridiculous remarks that Sylvaene made, but will point out something to those who care. Ceran's public copy of the MUD is called Tartarus, and yes it is a very old copy of Dark Mists with only the areas that are his or stock ROM. This copy does not hold a straw to what Dark Mists is today. I don't meant to brag too much on our coders, but they have done a terrific job fixing all of Ceran's many bugs (freely available in Tartarus) along with a host of bugs that remained from stock ROM, adding many unique features, as well as balancing out several things that were far from it. Dark Mists is much more complex now, and has so many unique characteristics that cannot be reproduced so easily. I am proud to be a part of Dark Mists, and I would hope that each of you is, too. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 02:45:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA04837 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04833 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f116.hotmail.com [207.82.251.46]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA07250 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:45:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 8337 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 07:44:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713074445.8336.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.180 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:44:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.180] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Web Page Appologies, Addendums, Error Fixes, Etc Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:44:45 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I appologize for the attack. I do not mean to offend the rest of you. >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 00:11:56 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA04082; > Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:28 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:24 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA04044 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:23 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04040 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:21 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06950 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:57:20 -0500 (CDT) >From: Myqel@aol.com >Received: from Myqel@aol.com > by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8DLFa04520 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:56:24 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <483902b0.35a9af9a@aol.com> >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:56:24 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Web Page Appologies, Addendums, Error Fixes, Etc >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 98-07-13 02:55:20 EDT, you write: > ><< > This is totally uncalled for. Personal are NOT permitted on this > information board.. As I am sure you will find out soon enough. > > >> >Personal attacks are Not permitted on this information board. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 02:51:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA05029 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:51:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05025 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:51:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f21.hotmail.com [207.82.250.32]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA07315 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28233 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 07:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713075056.28232.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.180 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:50:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.180] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Code Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:50:55 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Cirdan is absolutely correct. This code is freely available at ftp.game.org, where I found it a while back.. However, it does contain some _VERY_ useful information about how DM is coded.. or some aspects of it anyway. There are still some things Ceran coded which have yet to be fixed.. but those bugs have been long before reported. I agree with Cirdan, Darkmists is a wonderful place, and I would like to do something to aid the players of Darkmists.. I updated the site again just a few moments ago, fixing the problems with the House listings (my updated version hadn't gotten on the www site yet) and so now the powers (or the majority of them) and House Locations are up. Please, if you have any suggestions (real suggestions) by all means make them. This site is not to glorify anyone.. its for you all, so whatever you think would make it better is what I'll put on it. But I will not take away information.. its against my beliefs. Sylvaene Mistwind >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 00:15:23 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA04666; > Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:21 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:17 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA04628 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:16 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04624 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:14 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from dns1.multipro.com (root@dns1.multipro.com [12.13.128.2]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07045 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:13 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from shiflett (122.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.152]) > by dns1.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12250 > for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:58 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <199807130111.UAA12250@dns1.multipro.com> >From: "Chris Shiflett" >To: >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] DM Code >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:15:08 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I will not even touch the ridiculous remarks that Sylvaene made, but will >point out something to those who care. Ceran's public copy of the MUD is >called Tartarus, and yes it is a very old copy of Dark Mists with only the >areas that are his or stock ROM. This copy does not hold a straw to what >Dark Mists is today. I don't meant to brag too much on our coders, but they >have done a terrific job fixing all of Ceran's many bugs (freely available >in Tartarus) along with a host of bugs that remained from stock ROM, adding >many unique features, as well as balancing out several things that were far >from it. Dark Mists is much more complex now, and has so many unique >characteristics that cannot be reproduced so easily. I am proud to be a >part of Dark Mists, and I would hope that each of you is, too. > >Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 04:03:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA05383 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:03:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA05379 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.67.134]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA07776 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:03:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e105723@localhost) by amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07688; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:29 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:28 +0300 (EET DST) From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well. I think you should apoligize from Tim. Even he was cheater, he is immortal of Darkmists now. I don't think anyone deserve word sucking styx It is my opinion anyway... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 08:05:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA07228 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07221 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10155 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11670 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bdae5e$d7a64980$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:05:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Jeeze where did this cheating come from anyway? What did I do? Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 5:03 AM > Well. I think you should apoligize from Tim. Even he was cheater, he is >immortal of Darkmists now. I don't think anyone deserve word sucking styx >It is my opinion anyway... > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 11:44:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12380 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:44:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12376 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:44:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f105.hotmail.com [207.82.250.224]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA14851 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:44:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 10113 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 16:43:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713164336.10112.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:43:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.130] From: "Sylvaene Mistwind" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:43:35 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I appologize for my rude language, although the core content of what I said is truth and therefore deserves no appology. Lets see. Removed from House Arcana and De-branded for cheating with Radix. Then, for passing eq to one of Xia's characters, you were stripped of all yer eq with Rupprecht. Amazingly they didn't take your Leadership, which they should have done. But it wouldn't have quite mattered since you betrayed Styx and couldn't even be sanced. >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 06:06:13 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA07275; > Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:54 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:49 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA07228 > for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:47 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07221 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:45 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10155 > for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:05:43 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) > by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP > id JAA11670 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:58 -0400 >Message-ID: <002401bdae5e$d7a64980$060110ac@shelby.net> >From: "Tim Whitaker" >To: >Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:05:00 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Jeeze where did this cheating come from anyway? What did I >do? > >Xeo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Atilla OZGUR >To: darkmists >Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 5:03 AM > > >> Well. I think you should apoligize from Tim. Even he was cheater, he is >>immortal of Darkmists now. I don't think anyone deserve word sucking styx >>It is my opinion anyway... >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 11:59:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12950 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12946 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.104.215]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15310 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [128.104.198.15] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id LAA33192 (8.8.6/50); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980713115852.00905d70@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: slindsey@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:52 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Scott Lindsey Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: In-Reply-To: <19980713164336.10112.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu At 09:43 AM 7/13/98 PDT, you wrote: >I appologize for my rude language, although the core content of what I >said is truth and therefore deserves no appology. Stop. Not one more post like this or you're gone. I should boot you for the thing about sucking off Styx but I'm in a good mood today. One of the rules here is no slandering. I don't care if you think what you said is the truth, apologize or leave. -Scott (Nycholas) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 12:25:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA14089 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14085 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15956 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04671 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:25:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701bdae83$2b5ff660$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:25:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First, I really don't need to defend myself here, but there are those people who would believe such things, so lets clear them up shall we? Radix was removed for Arcana for leaving the realm to soon after raiding Crusader, Radix was not de-branded. Back then, there were no timers on such things. That was over one year ago, and I didn't know any better. Rupprecht gave a sword to a lv 10 draconian who was begging for help, and Rupprecht was a draconian supremist. That was Xia's char, it was totally IC, but the immortal at the time didn't agree with that, so I was punished. The reason for loosing Styx's brand and being punished was also totally in character, and for many months after that I heroed, continued to lead Arcana, and rped it out. Every long term player has a past, and I'm sure not every person has a clean record. If every person is judged strictly by things they did so long ago and not for what their current or more recent chars have done, then I guess no one is going anywhere except for maybe newbies? Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Sylvaene Mistwind To: Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: >I appologize for my rude language, although the core content of what I >said is truth and therefore deserves no appology. > >Lets see. Removed from House Arcana and De-branded for cheating with >Radix. Then, for passing eq to one of Xia's characters, you were >stripped of all yer eq with Rupprecht. Amazingly they didn't take your >Leadership, which they should have done. But it wouldn't have quite >mattered since you betrayed Styx and couldn't even be sanced. > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 13:11:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA16321 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16317 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:11:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17100 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:11:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Myqel@aol.com Received: from Myqel@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8OKBa02268 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:10:57 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-13 12:50:43 EDT, you write: << although the core content of what I said is truth and therefore deserves no appology. >> This mailing list is NOT the place for personal attacks.... Take it to e- mails if you have a problem with someone. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 15:31:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA21186 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21158 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA20206 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9521 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 20:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713203014.9520.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:30:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:30:12 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This is getting Way out of hand. One there shouldn't be any personal attacks on here as everyone has said. Two I don't think this was designed for advertisement of personal sites. Or that is what I thought when I signed up for it. Maybe I was wrong. I think that we need to find a new conversation topic and get some real conversations going here anyway. How about it? Think we can get something cool going? Maybe bonce new ideas around for the immortals to see or maybe they want to bounce some ideas off of us? But we need something to make things a little less boring and to relieve the stress that seem sto be building between some people. Hey everyone remember this is a game don't forget that. Try to have some fun. And enjoy yourselves. What happens in character should not have anything to do with your actions towards or words towards someone out of character. I get along great with some people ooc but can't stand them in character and I have never met some of them in real life, but they seem cool talking to them. But they role play characters opposite of my align. Does that mean I hate them IRL I don't think so. Just a thought or two. Let's have some fun! Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 13 22:46:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27072 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27068 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f166.hotmail.com [207.82.251.52]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01674 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1998 03:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714034600.4875.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:45:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:45:51 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu well, in the spirit of starting new ideas, if its not supposed to still be secret, what exactly are the Guildmasters going to be? Just someone with a title, and I would guess soulscry, obviously there are some responsibilities with the job.. but what are some of them.. or what do you think they should be Jon (Xenith) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 02:37:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02186 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02182 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr [144.122.1.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04350 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:37:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ulkebay@localhost) by rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA90360; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:24 +0300 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:23 +0300 (WET) From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: In-Reply-To: <002401bdae5e$d7a64980$060110ac@shelby.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Tim Whitaker wrote: > Jeeze where did this cheating come from anyway? What did I > do? > > Xeo > Let's see, crashing mud to doubling inventory. Is that enuff? (With Radix) I did not want to tell that, but I feel kinda forced. Last year, he'd told that to my friend Grimnshtak(a very very old n-w that most of ya dont know) how to crash the game. It was to try to fill a skin from the fountain in Arkham. -Have a nice day From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 08:16:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04149 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04145 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f104.hotmail.com [207.82.250.223]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA08188 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 27665 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1998 13:15:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714131531.27664.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:15:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:30 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey this is getting old can you not understand no personal attacks means nothing at all. I may not be an immortal or the one that takes care of this list serve, but I am sick of hearing everyone whine about things. That is not what this is for. If you have a problem with someone talk to the Pantheon. And as has been said before, If you have a problem with an immortal that you won't let go, Maybe you should find another mud. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 08:22:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04347 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04343 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08343 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:22:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03108 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bdaf2a$67606620$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I love how you conveniently forget the whole story. Yes I found the bug and that it crashed the game. Grimnshtak was the one who said "Hey, lets dup some eq". I just chilled out in the shadowrealm, and Grimn pops in later with a ton of hi-kane stuff and gives it to me. I remember telling Gohan, the guy who got me started on DM, and he told me that it was wrong as hell to do that and I should tell the gods, so I did, and they fixed the bug. End of story. Once again, this is when I was a newbie, this was before Radix was even in Arcana, about... November 96 I think. Xeo -----Original Message----- From: mehmet yasin ulkebay To: Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: > > >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Tim Whitaker wrote: > >> Jeeze where did this cheating come from anyway? What did I >> do? >> >> Xeo >> > > >Let's see, crashing mud to doubling inventory. Is that enuff? >(With Radix) I did not want to tell that, but I feel kinda forced. >Last year, he'd told that to my friend Grimnshtak(a very very old n-w that >most of ya dont know) how to crash the game. It was to try to fill a skin >from the fountain in Arkham. > > >-Have a nice day > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 08:28:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04537 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:28:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04529 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08444 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03582 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bdaf2b$204095c0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:27:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Aw man, I didn't mean to say the "I love how you conveniently forget the whole story" deal, I thought you were Grimn, but I just reread your note and it said your his friend. Sorry. You might not have known the whole story *shrug* Xeo > >Let's see, crashing mud to doubling inventory. Is that enuff? >(With Radix) I did not want to tell that, but I feel kinda forced. >Last year, he'd told that to my friend Grimnshtak(a very very old n-w that >most of ya dont know) how to crash the game. It was to try to fill a skin >from the fountain in Arkham. > > >-Have a nice day > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 08:51:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06139 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06135 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:51:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.67.134]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09070 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e105723@localhost) by amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23623; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:47:51 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:47:50 +0300 (EET DST) From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well. Since nobody mentioned, i want to mention it. Did you notice Xurino's scroll about Racial abilities. With this scroll we have now Giant clerics with enhanced damage and bash. Also we have giant ranger withe bash. Gnome warrior's with scroll,wand and staves skills. Troll ranger and cleric's also have bash and enhanced damage i think. Do centaur warriors get bash %100. If so why centaur paladins,clerics and ranger don't have bash. With this new skill system, we will going to get a lot of giant clerics and troll clerics. I want to say something about rangers. Who will play human,elf,grey-elf ranger where there is giant and troll rangers with bash ability. This bash ability is something which make warrior and anti-paladin class more powerful than rangers. But now they loose this. I don't say that rangers are supposed to be less powerful than warriors and anti-paladins What i am saying is if you give bash to giant rangers why not give all of them. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 09:00:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06329 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06325 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f121.hotmail.com [207.82.250.214]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA09246 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:00:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25192 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1998 13:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714135950.25191.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:59:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS]RE:Racial Skills Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:59:50 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You mentioned what some of the races got do you know what any others got. I think that is something that needs to be known. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 09:18:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06936 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:18:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06920 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09674 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:18:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07914 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:18:10 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdaf32$3d4687e0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:18:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Centaurs don't get bash at 100% I THINK, I'm not entirely sure. I think Centaurs get door bash and rear kick as their abilities. LV 18 they get door bash at 100%, and 20 they get read kick at 100%. Giants and trolls only get door bash and bash. Why would someone play a class other than giant/warrior/cleric? Well, for one thing the experience lag would be different, and the number of times you have to prac to learn something. Personally, if I can't train something to at least 71% in one or two pracs, I don't play that race. The other races have their advantages. Elf and grey-elf rangers get forest blending and sneak, and sneak in my opinion is a better ability than bash. Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:51 AM > Well. Since nobody mentioned, i want to mention it. Did you notice >Xurino's scroll about Racial abilities. With this scroll we have now >Giant clerics with enhanced damage and bash. Also we have giant ranger >withe bash. Gnome warrior's with scroll,wand and staves skills. >Troll ranger and cleric's also have bash and enhanced damage i think. > >Do centaur warriors get bash %100. If so why centaur paladins,clerics >and ranger don't have bash. With this new skill system, we will going >to get a lot of giant clerics and troll clerics. > > I want to say something about rangers. Who will play human,elf,grey-elf >ranger where there is giant and troll rangers with bash ability. >This bash ability is something which make warrior and anti-paladin >class more powerful than rangers. But now they loose this. I don't say >that rangers are supposed to be less powerful than warriors and anti-paladins >What i am saying is if you give bash to giant rangers why not give all of >them. > > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 09:27:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07994 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:27:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07990 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:27:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f210.hotmail.com [207.82.251.101]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA09894 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:27:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12203 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1998 14:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714142643.12202.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:26:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]RE:Guildmaster Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:26:42 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I too would like to know more about what being a Guildmaster would entail. What responsibilities they would have and any other things that would be involved. I have a character that is thinking of applying for it but I am not sure what all it involves. Any help would be appreciated. Adam Hubbard Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 09:28:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08184 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08180 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:28:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09930 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:28:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default (qtas2447.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.237]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07690 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:28:50 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <199807141428.WAA07690@iron.singnet.com.sg> From: "Bookie" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]Charm Person Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:39:01 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Haven't been checking my mails lately, and when i finally got round to it, there were tons of them from Dm mailing list, all about some guy cheating and stuff, Look everybody, from what i see here, no amount of bitching is ever gonna get someone to admit that he cheated in the game here in the mailing list even if that is true, which i think most of us doubt since there were hardly any evidences to prove it. so lets all just drop it and stop all the personal attack. it doesn't make anything change. i heard some guy talking about the bash and enhanced damage skills that giants and trolls get back, right before xurinos wrote the scroll about getting the skills back, i remember that only anti-paladins can bash regardless of race i think (correct me if i'm wrong, cause i got a dark-elf anti that could do a bash) imagine a dark-elf bashing, that sounds kinda weird, but i also had a centaur paladin, which was jodasha that could't bash. i got around to asking a imm about why giants could bash and why centaur could't , and he could't give me a satisfactory answer. in character terms, giants, trolls, centaurs are supposed to be those well built and strong guy in physical aspects, so how come, giant and trolls have the ability to bash and centaurs don't. anyway i got real fed up with the inbalance of the skills in the classes which was paladins dun even have a decent skills to keep his opponent from fleeing from a fight and that since it was time for my final year at my college that i decided to leave for good. Other reasons that hasten my departure was also that nothing was done to correct the "c "sleep" flee , come back or c 'disintergrate' flee come back and do it again and again that i left. The problem is with the saves i think, even aboleth at his prime age( with all his nasty hit dam eq ), i'm sure could have die to a disintergrate, try restoring aboleth to his full set of fancy eq and pit him aganist a channeler, i'm sure after a couple of flee, the channeler could have easily got him , because from what i remember, aboleth eq was based on heavy hit dam, and some +Dex equipment to reduce those -dex that he wore from the spiked adamanite stuff. Hit and dam roll no longer matters now, armor class and saves does, some may viewed it as good while other have a different opinion of the whole thing. well enuff of my 2 cents :) time to go hit the books again (Damm i hate the last year at schools) Jodasha, Chivalorous paladin of the Light, ExCo-Leader of Life. p.s: sorry adorno, i couldt get to talk with you about my decision to leave, i just could't find you when i needed to talk to you and utara, if you are on the list, i forgot you in my leaving scroll and i hate myself for that, just to tell you, i'll love the time we spent talking to each other :) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 09:30:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08370 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08366 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09979 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:30:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default (qtas2447.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.237]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08022 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:30:25 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <199807141430.WAA08022@iron.singnet.com.sg> From: "Bookie" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:40:38 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Centaurs dun get bash at all, unless they are warrior. hope that clear you up :) ---------- > From: Tim Whitaker > To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:18 PM > > Centaurs don't get bash at 100% I THINK, I'm not entirely sure. I > think Centaurs get door bash and rear kick as their abilities. LV > 18 they get door bash at 100%, and 20 they get read kick at 100%. > Giants and trolls only get door bash and bash. Why would > someone play a class other than giant/warrior/cleric? Well, for > one thing the experience lag would be different, and the number > of times you have to prac to learn something. Personally, if I can't > train something to at least 71% in one or two pracs, I don't play > that race. The other races have their advantages. Elf and grey-elf > rangers get forest blending and sneak, and sneak in my opinion > is a better ability than bash. > > Xeo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Atilla OZGUR > To: darkmists > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:51 AM > > > > Well. Since nobody mentioned, i want to mention it. Did you notice > >Xurino's scroll about Racial abilities. With this scroll we have now > >Giant clerics with enhanced damage and bash. Also we have giant ranger > >withe bash. Gnome warrior's with scroll,wand and staves skills. > >Troll ranger and cleric's also have bash and enhanced damage i think. > > > >Do centaur warriors get bash %100. If so why centaur paladins,clerics > >and ranger don't have bash. With this new skill system, we will going > >to get a lot of giant clerics and troll clerics. > > > > I want to say something about rangers. Who will play human,elf,grey-elf > >ranger where there is giant and troll rangers with bash ability. > >This bash ability is something which make warrior and anti-paladin > >class more powerful than rangers. But now they loose this. I don't say > >that rangers are supposed to be less powerful than warriors and > anti-paladins > >What i am saying is if you give bash to giant rangers why not give all of > >them. > > > > > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 10:22:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA10341 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:22:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10328 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11301 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:22:41 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ZOOa26052 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78e889f0.35ab779f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:22:06 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Racial skills Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I have to admit having a dwarf elementalist with berserk can be fun, imagine when warriors get ***DEVASTATED*** when I don't even have enhanced damage? I think its a good move, makes mages a little less reliant on spells for those who arn't as good at them, and about taking warrior advantage down, warriors cost 0 exp, they arn't supposed to be a great class, I thought they were to good without bash being spread to others, it fits the exp cost more now. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 15:59:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25984 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25980 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19429 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:41 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XTGa27696 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <297afb53.35abc699@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:59:04 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Racial skills Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just to remind everyone the reasons don't get bash is because its not there racial ability. They get enhanced damage and kick at 100%. Plus the door bash and rear kick that applied to all classes before. This is why centaurs don't get bash. PS: put the saves back the same and a lot of problems would solve themselves rather then having to implement a bunch of timers and rewriting spells. Brian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 14 17:12:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29338 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29334 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:12:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f161.hotmail.com [207.82.251.47]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21049 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:12:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1998 22:12:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714221212.618.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:12:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:12:11 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Centaurs don't get bash at 100% I THINK, I'm not entirely sure. I >think Centaurs get door bash and rear kick as their abilities. LV >18 they get door bash at 100%, and 20 they get read kick at 100%. >Giants and trolls only get door bash and bash. Why would >someone play a class other than giant/warrior/cleric? Well, for >one thing the experience lag would be different, and the number >of times you have to prac to learn something. Personally, if I can't >train something to at least 71% in one or two pracs, I don't play >that race. The other races have their advantages. Elf and grey-elf >rangers get forest blending and sneak, and sneak in my opinion >is a better ability than bash. > >Xeo > >-----Original Message----- A racial ability I found more than a year ago, is that grey elves could always evaluate.. at the time I reported it, and asked if it was a bug Back then, if all classes got the abilities it would be a bug.. Was that a racial skill, or something that was really a bug? In regard to seeing more of this or that.. Its more of balancing out things than making others more powerful There are reasons for picking a giant/troll/etc now, and its now equally if not more important than the class you choose When saves were changed, you saw a lot more channelers, when vulnerability to iron was increased, you saw less grey elves whenever there's a change, there will be more changes... thats what keeps this fun... it wouldnt be fun, (at least not for me) if there was always this many giants and this many trolls.. etc.. there are less giants or whatever sometimes, and more later.. and Throm.. I never mentioned what guildmaster I was interested in... Truthfully, I'm talking about Nightwalker.. (only one person knows what nightwalker already) With an email of Xyrthane@hotmail.com i'm obviously Xenith.. but who I am now.. well, most people already know, (i'd apreciate it if we didn't get a hundred emails about it on the board) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 02:38:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01929 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:38:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01925 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA22191 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:38:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25097 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 07:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716073745.25096.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:37:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.130] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] An important change Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:37:44 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, and Immortals of The Mists, I have come to you this day for two reasons. First and foremost, I would like to appologize for my (dead) associate Sylvaene Mistwind, his harsh words have tarnished the reputation of our young party. He has been removed from our denizens, and will no longer be injuring thine tender ears with all his mindless drivel. To Lord Xeonauz, a special appology is in order. I cannot explain the cause of Sylvaene's madness, I can only deal with the consequence of his obvious insanity. To you sir, I appologize profusely. Let us heal our injured prides and come together to continue to aid Therans in all their endeavors. Our home has changed names.. it is now known as "The Darkmists Adventurer's Guild".. come.. sit, and set a bounty on your favorite villains head. Look for a change of pace in this new and wondrous place. Please refer any information to this address, xialinin@hotmail.com. Thankyou for your time, Xialinin Zo'zxin, Student of the Void, Acolyte of Xurinos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 08:11:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06812 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06808 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25457 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:11:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Mindbnder5@aol.com Received: from Mindbnder5@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XHZa11468 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d14ae1b.35adfbbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:10:21 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wow, talk about IC going a little bit far, eh? Corey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 08:18:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA07027 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:18:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07023 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA25622 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:18:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4407 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 13:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716131804.4406.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:18:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:18:04 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You may think he went a bit far but in the end we are all better off now. The other guy did insult Xeonauz. Xeonauz or in other words Tim is one of the immortal staff that helps to keep Darkmists fun. Without them this would not be here. I am glad that things have been taken care of and hope to see you all in Thera. Adam aka Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 09:01:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08408 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08404 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26553 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07285 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01bdb0c2$1f21e160$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu There is nothing wrong with being that IC :p Well, I'll admit maybe a little strange here, but not on DM :) -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change >Wow, talk about IC going a little bit far, eh? >Corey > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 09:15:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08990 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08986 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f186.hotmail.com [207.82.251.75]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26812 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7671 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 14:15:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716141517.7670.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:15:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:16 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey I have a question for you regarding Legion. Is the only way to get a rebel flag removed to be killed and then say that you will do nothing against the empire again? My thief is marked a rebel. I raided I think maybe twice in a short time period. I have not done so for well since well before the fall of Ancient. I was just wondering whether there was any other way to get it removed. Or if I turned myself in would I have my things returned to me. Just wondering. Thanks, Adam aka Loric/Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 09:21:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA09180 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:21:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09176 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:21:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f159.hotmail.com [207.82.251.38]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26907 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26307 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 14:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716142038.26306.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:20:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:20:38 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Dang I really hate it when you reply to the wrong message that last one was intended to go to Xeonuaz alone. *mutter* oh well Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 09:39:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA10326 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10322 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27237 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10526 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:06 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01bdb0c7$744807a0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Actually I think it's a good question all people probably wonder about. The rebel flag isn't like a criminal flag, it's permanent You don't loose it when you die. The only way you can get a rebel flag is to raid Legion to either slay its members or take its powers, or if you are openly fighting against Legion and it's members simply because THEY ARE Legion. I mean, if someone day in and day out attacks different Legion members, you are pretty sure they are against Legion. You can't get a rebel flag just for attacking a member of Legion, or by accidentally walking into the Palace (even though there IS a gate guard who tells you where you are, and that if you go any farther you will be invading, but people just don't listen). Of course, all known members of Valor are rebels. To get a rebel flag removed, you have to promise not to attack Legion again, and swear that you support it. Of course you don't have to support it as in slay Rebels and such, you just agree to submit to Legion, and life is good :) There is no real "turning yourself in" to get rid of the flag, the Knights have the power to give it and remove it. Xeo -----Original Message----- From: Adam Hubbard To: Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change >Hey I have a question for you regarding Legion. Is the only way to get >a rebel flag removed to be killed and then say that you will do nothing >against the empire again? My thief is marked a rebel. I raided I think >maybe twice in a short time period. I have not done so for well since >well before the fall of Ancient. I was just wondering whether there was >any other way to get it removed. Or if I turned myself in would I have >my things returned to me. Just wondering. > >Thanks, > >Adam >aka Loric/Throm > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 10:00:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11517 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11513 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f163.hotmail.com [207.82.251.49]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA27715 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14138 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 14:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716145929.14137.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:59:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS]Housed vs. Unhoused Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:59:28 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well first off thank you Xeonauz for your insight into legion. It is very helpful. Next, I have spoken with a number of those that I know irl about this, and we all seem to agree. And If I know you irl and we don't agree correct me please. I among others have felt that an unhoused member one one one should truly not be a threat to a member of a house. Is that not the purpose of joining a house. Take for example my lifer. If he decided to go attack an evil character that is not in a house and misses with his bj, in a lot of cases unless it is a fellow thief he has no chance to win that fight, well not no chance but it sure is tough. Yes if I get the bj and can backstab I can hurt anyone if there sanc drops and I get double unspeaks which I have done. Yeah I can drop someones health quick enough that they have no chance. Or sometimes even kill right off as I also have done. but anyway. I find that some of the houses can manage this, and others cannot. Take for example crusader, they are decked out most of them and they can't be affected by magic or at least not most of it. If you are unhoused and decide to attack them prepar to die in most cases. Arcana is also this way to some extent. I have seen many powreful people that are unhoused challenge an ArchMage and get their brains spread all over the ground. I know that the houses have different purposes, but I don't think that if you have played well enough to get into a house that you should have to worry about one unhoused person killing you now granted you still may very well die to two or three of them but one on one. Well that is just my opinin I would like to hear what you have to say as well. Maybe you can convince me that it should be this way or maybe a lot more of you have this same feeling I just would like to know what you think. Adam aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 10:14:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12283 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12279 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28031 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:16:04 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007f01bdb0c7$744807a0$060110ac@shelby.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:16:07 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >To get a rebel flag removed, you have to promise not to attack Legion >again, and swear that you support it. Of course you don't have to >support it as in slay Rebels and such, you just agree to submit to Legion, >and life is good :) There is no real "turning yourself in" to get rid of >the >flag, the Knights have the power to give it and remove it. Hmm.. that wasn't true in my case.. I was just killed today by Hashkar and Cedez. I play quintar, the heretofor defunct channeler of Life. I lost my sanc and disintegrate spells when i got my ethos changed. I sent hashkar a message explaining this, knowing he would come to attack me. He did, but i did not count on cedez being there.. i was talkin to macrius at the time, id'ing his water dagger, and cedez tried to bj me.. he missed, i got wacked hard, and fled.. gated to tarot to heal up, worded back, healed more, and then the fun really started.. i was sanced by this point, and hashkar and cedez came back.. cedez missed his bj again, and i unloaded on him.. sent him fleeing in i think 4 rounds.. hashkar was next, sent him fleeing in 5 i think.. i was being healed all the time by hobbes, cypreth, and ketai.. i sent hashkar and cedez fleeing twice more each.. cedez came back ever time with more knights, which i killed easly, then sent him fleeing.. but alas, hobbes ran out of magic, and cedez bj'd ketai, then he bj'd cypreth.. they killed me shortly there after, but damn it was the most fun i've had since i was a lifer and ancient was still around.. after that they killed cypreth, and i went to my guild.. hashkar removed my flag, and we had a nice chat, but he did not make me promise to support the empire.. if he did, i would have laughed at him.. like i said, it was the most fun i've had in a long time.. me and hashkar both laughed at this, and i left.. shrug.. Chris aka Quintar, Channeler Hero, Forsaken of Life From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 10:20:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12473 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12469 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:20:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28141 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:20:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14015 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:19:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01bdb0cd$20bec780$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Most of the time they are more forgiving than I am. The others like to remove the flag after they slay someone, and if they gain it again it's permenant. It doesn't bother me, either way, the rebel is dealt with :) >killed me shortly there after, but damn it was the most fun i've had since >i was a lifer and ancient was still around.. after that they killed >cypreth, and i went to my guild.. hashkar removed my flag, and we had a >nice chat, but he did not make me promise to support the empire.. if he >did, i would have laughed at him.. like i said, it was the most fun i've >had in a long time.. me and hashkar both laughed at this, and i left.. >shrug.. > >Chris >aka >Quintar, Channeler Hero, Forsaken of Life > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 10:40:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12727 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:40:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12723 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28637 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15982 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00b101bdb0cf$e78df140$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:39:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I've been seeing a lot of web pages about DM pop up lately. Hell, even I made one a long time ago, just didn't really make it public. Web hosting and design is part of what I do for a living, and I totally support it. We have the worlds largest information database at our fingertips, but we can't find any of this information if someone does not put it up for people to get to. Xyza has a web page, DM has an office web page, so why would anyone want to make more than that? Because we all have that inner drive inside of us that says "This is good, but I think I can make something better." For me it was totally for information. I liked the info on Xyza's page, but I hated the geocities banners and stuff, so I made my own, gave the addy to a few friends, and left it alone. There is an unspoken honor around people who make web pages, or a code you might so. No one rips anyone without asking for permission, or giving credit. On my page I ripped a lot of help files from DM, and on the main page it says that is exactly what I did. Also, you try and give very accurate information. There is a new page out there that everyone has been talking about because of the whole porn thing, and the way Sylvaene was treating my opinion about it. Since then the page has changed, and includes a lot of things that most people are upset about (again) because it reveals things that are kept secret for a reason. The funny thing is, 50% of the "secrets" are incorrect. Now, I'm not here to bash the two people who stuck their names in Xyza's HTML that they took, and forgot to remove the geocities scripting, or preach about how far off the mark they are on some of these skills and brand powers (some of which don't exist anymore). Now, the list of eq, I got no problem with that, in fact I think it's cool. It takes a lot of time to build up a list like that, and eq stats and locations aren't considered secret. For that, I complement their work and originality. Of course, my opinion is my own and does not represent the other God, nor do I represent Xyza and her web page, I just don't like seeing her hard work ripped off. If you want to look at my old old page you can see it at www.shelby.net/wirikidor/darkmists where you'll find no graphics and nothing fancy at all, it's actually really old information, but it's useful at times. The authors are more than welcome to flame me via personal e-mail, not on the mailing list. --tim Xeonauz From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 13:40:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA24095 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24091 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f192.hotmail.com [207.82.251.81]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03170 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:40:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3158 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1998 18:40:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19980716184023.3157.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:40:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.164] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:40:22 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Our strange cabal seeketh not to "flame" anyone Lord Xeonauz. Those days have ended.. swiftly and with resolve. We are fixing the misinformation as we speak, and adding some things to make it a more enjoyable atmosphere. In the future we may have a room where people can sit a while, and chat with each other. All is safe within our Adventurer's Guild, no one may attack you there. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Student of the Void, Acolyte of Xurinos > >The authors are more than welcome to flame me via >personal e-mail, not on the mailing list. > >--tim >Xeonauz > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 14:02:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA25489 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25485 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03769 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-093.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.93]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22733 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE4ED4.602535D3@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] An important change X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Chris Melski wrote: > they killed me shortly there after, but damn it was the most fun i've > had since > i was a lifer and ancient was still around.. after that they killed > cypreth, and i went to my guild.. hashkar removed my flag, and we had > a > nice chat, but he did not make me promise to support the empire.. if > he > did, i would have laughed at him.. like i said, it was the most fun > i've > had in a long time.. me and hashkar both laughed at this, and i left.. > > shrug.. > > Chris > aka > Quintar, Channeler Hero, Forsaken of Life Just to clear something up...Hashkar didn't take the rebel flag off...it was Cedez, and he and I spoke about what he did afterwards. AC From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 16 16:08:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04283 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:08:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04271 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:08:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07141 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:08:35 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8VYVa11435 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60bafaf2.35ae6ba9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:07:52 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree absolutely with Xeonauz about the equipment list, its great when you get something you cna't identify and go somewhere to find out what it does, or if you locate something and have no clue where to find it. But the hosue pwoers, and even more so the brand powers are supposed to be a secret, and many are wrong, like for instance where did you get the name for the Valor skill called "war horse" its a hous eof peace...think of how much sense that makes. I think you could make a lot of people happy if you took out the false information on it and left it to a useful equipment database. Gimli/Falanderin/Kraden From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 02:34:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA23764 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:34:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA23760 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f179.hotmail.com [207.82.251.65]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA17403 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:34:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 18959 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 1998 07:34:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980717073406.18958.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:34:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.130] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:34:06 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, We, the Guildmasters of the Adventurer's Guild, have taken your cries in mind. We have chosen to remove those things which have been deemed "secret" from the the guild.. However, the Guild does have these secrets, and will devulge them to interested parties through less direct ways. Ofcourse, we are not always correct, as you have already shown. The Book of Arms and Armor will remain always... its is our main concern now. As well as our Books on Tactics for the various professions of Thera. We will continue to work on the Guild's appearance daily.. please excuse our dust. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Student of the Void, Acolyte of Xurinos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 08:21:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA00880 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00876 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22730 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.117]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 36MNMSKG; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF511C.A79C9F1D@logex.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:26:52 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ummm, will someone please reinstall Ancient. Cause I am bored. Any of you all bored? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 09:24:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03274 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03258 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:23:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyboardcafe.ns.ca (www.keyboardcafe.ns.ca [209.89.101.98]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24070 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.89.101.102] by keyboardcafe.ns.ca with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:25:12 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35AF511C.A79C9F1D@logex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:25:18 -0400 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Chris Melski Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Ummm, will someone please reinstall Ancient. Cause I am bored. Any of >you all bored? Yeah, I was, till i got killed by Hashkar and Cedez. Other than that small amount of excitement, it's been pretty boring. Quintar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 10:59:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07931 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:59:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07927 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:59:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA26300 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:59:05 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8OJMa02268 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34a93fd0.35af74a2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:58:25 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree....If you have a Lifer Hero right now there is not to much to do with them, Give us some Ancients to whup on/be whuped by again! Falanderin From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 11:12:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA09391 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09387 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f119.hotmail.com [207.82.250.172]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA26687 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22881 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 1998 16:11:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980717161145.22879.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.182 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:11:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.182] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:11:45 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I will use this as a moment to make a few points. It seems that the Mists have gotten increasingly boring over the past while becuase of a number of House problems.. First, Arcana and Crusader are no longer warring, at all, and this makes it incredibly boring the play either House. An Arcana member has nothing to do but sit and master spells, and we all know thats incredibly exciting. Crusaders, way too powerful for any normal mage to handle, walk through Thera without a care in the world.. who's gonna attack them.. certainly not a big bad Arcana member. If Arcana can't attack them, they should lose deathblow since the only reason they should have it is to knock through channel. Second, why bother making Valor.. a "peacefull" house has got to be the most boring thing I have ever heard of. Its ok if you have some charge, some duty, like helping newbies or something.. but Valor does not appear to have anything to do but get REBEL flags and sit on its butt. I think Valor ought to have the charge of taking back cities from Legion... then we'd have some reall excitement going on. Xialinin Xo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers > >I agree....If you have a Lifer Hero right now there is not to much to do with >them, Give us some Ancients to whup on/be whuped by again! > >Falanderin > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 11:48:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11575 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:48:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11547 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27459 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-076.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.76]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27434 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF80F4.75857672@telenet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:00 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34a93fd0.35af74a2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well all...glad to see some people miss the Ancients. I had a blast running them, and I'm sorry they got a little out of control...there was always a fight or three going on, and that really got alot of people excited. I say just wait and show some patience hopefully some more interesting stuff will start happening again. I know they won't bring back Ancients as we were....the house was just too easy to turn into a pk machine. On a note to the Imm's and Imp's, I know alot of projects are up and about now, but perhaps it's time to start running some quests....those always seem to get people moving...and this Arcana Crusader peace has got to go. Yeah it lets Arcana get powerful again, but it breaks the house balance setup. Hmm...any other thoughts, oh what about Imming a few of the Hero's that are around now and letting them run small quests...something that will get people attention.... AC aka Hashkar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 12:11:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA13159 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13155 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f224.hotmail.com [207.82.251.115]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27889 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17749 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 1998 17:11:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980717171115.17748.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:11:13 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I have to agree it is not the same without ancient around. Yeah it was nice to have some peace for a bit but now it is getting a bit boring in that respect. But I know that it does tkae time for these new projects that are being worked on to get finished. On another note yes Arcana and Crusader do not do much against each other, but a lot of people don't know what does happen. Yeah we duel, and we have been doing that a bit more lately. Crusader has alos been getting a little well... Frisky lately and has raided a bit more. Makes things interesting at least. I think Hashkar's quest idea sounds good, don't know what for sure, but I would add something to everything. If anyone has ideas maybe drop a note to one of the imm's or imp's personnaly. I think I will when I get any ideas. I like the idea of Valor and Legion warring over the towns as well. It would be sort of like a chess game. When you took an outpost it changed over to an outpost for either Valor or Legion whoever took it. Would give a lot of people a lot more to do. And could make for some really good roleplaying. Any other idea's anyone? I don't know about new imm's but that is of course up to the current ones to decide that. And new quests would give them something to take care of among other things. Let's run with these Ideas and get some responses going here. What is veryone thinking? Adam aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 12:45:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15222 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15218 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28760 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (tp244-194.dialup.seed.net.tw) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IZICDLBV1IF6VY7V@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:44:53 EDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:45 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] Valor To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35AF8C24.3A9E69BD@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19980717161145.22879.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Second, why bother making Valor.. a "peacefull" house has got to be the > most boring thing I have ever heard of. Its ok if you have some charge, > some duty, like helping newbies or something.. but Valor does not appear > to have anything to do but get REBEL flags and sit on its butt. I think > Valor ought to have the charge of taking back cities from Legion... then > we'd have some reall excitement going on. You ahve to understand that many times when you are a member of the house, there are some quiet times that are part of the normal course of a developing house. Valor is new and it hasn't really gotten a chance to test the waters. Legion is also relatively new and basically I see is that Legion spends its time attacking people, both in and out of Valor, and then Valor turns around to try to take them out so they can't do it anymore. Personally I think Valor should be a little more on the aggressive side but that time will come when naturally the house won't be passive. But remember, Valor is about peace and promoting it, so waging war doesn't exactly make sense huh? Another thing about Valor and Legion is that they aren't exactly "against" one another. I'm not sure what Legion stands for but the whole Empire and Rebel thing seems to work, if Valor was rebelling. Valor seems to be like the old timer Lifers who were promoting preservation of life, Legion isn't like the old time hunter Ancient though. So we have a little mismatch in dogma here. Unless someone said Legion and Valor were at war, they aren't really at odds with each other, they don't HAVE to fight each other since one doesn't stand for something the other wants to destroy. Brilife Cardinari From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 12:49:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15414 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:49:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15410 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:49:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28889 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16049 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bdb1ab$2dd994c0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:48:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think the big problem is lack of players in houses. Most of the college people who are out for the summer are gone, so house membership is low right now. There could be such a war between Legion and Valor if both sides had some numbers. Everyone is whining that Ancient is gone, but one month ago everyone was whining that Ancient was around. Lots of good players left DM because of Ancient. Arcana was recently purged, but Crusader is doing a little better than it was. Seems like Life has the most active members right now, and some of them have had no trouble going after Legion, even the neutral Legion members. The game is what you make of it, if you want wars between houses then start them. I'm all for war. Xeo, your friendly neighborhood God of War From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 12:51:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15615 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15611 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28903 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (tp244-194.dialup.seed.net.tw) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IZICLM05LAF6VY8T@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:51:21 EDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:45:13 -0400 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] Valor and Legion, Warring in Towns To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <35AF8DA9.6738E8C0@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19980717171115.17748.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu That is a very nice idea, however we run into the problem of taking over a town when members of the other House aren't there. It's like raiding when no one is around to get an item, i don't think that happens very often anymore because it takes the fun out of raiding. But I still like that old old idea about making towns where players run them and have players who act as shopkeepers and members of the militia and things like that. Maybe it's being thought about right now, but it would be a bitch to code I would think. I think making some imms to do quests isn't such a good idea, but something that might work is making Questmasters or something so that they have the ability to wrote notes to all and the questmasters would find their own rewards or ask an imm for a nice reward. Maybe find certain things and get five thousand gold or something. Soemthing for people to do. Brilife Cardinari From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 12:56:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15831 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:56:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15817 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29026 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:56:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.117]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 36MNMS3R; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF9174.8BCD969D@logex.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:01:24 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! References: <004901bdb1ab$2dd994c0$060110ac@shelby.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu "The game is what you make of it, if you want wars between houses then start them. I'm all for war." All I know is that a member of [LIFE] raided [LEGION] yesterday and got chastized by IMM's and mortals in the house because of it. So I am not so sure how well that theory works as far as starting wars. Can't start a war if the Imm's are gonna punish or kick you out of your house for it.... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 17 15:59:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA23952 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:59:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA23939 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:59:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00677 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17896 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <009101bdb1ac$afcd4ac0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:59:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >From what I understand, certain members of Life don't like Legion, and are rebels. Others don't seem to want to get involved, and don't like getting dragged in when the Legion guys go to raid Life for what the others did. --tim -----Original Message----- From: Thomas M. Davis To: Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! >"The game is what you make of it, if you want wars between houses >then start them. I'm all for war." > >All I know is that a member of [LIFE] raided [LEGION] yesterday and got >chastized by IMM's and mortals in the house because of it. So I am not >so sure how well that theory works as far as starting wars. Can't start >a war if the Imm's are gonna punish or kick you out of your house for >it.... > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Jul 18 21:48:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27160 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27156 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19151 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (rhone.truserve.com [208.142.211.102]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22973 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807190248.VAA22973@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:47:54 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! In-Reply-To: <35AF9174.8BCD969D@logex.com> References: <004901bdb1ab$2dd994c0$060110ac@shelby.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu At 02:01 PM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >"The game is what you make of it, if you want wars between houses >then start them. I'm all for war." > >All I know is that a member of [LIFE] raided [LEGION] yesterday and got >chastized by IMM's and mortals in the house because of it. So I am not >so sure how well that theory works as far as starting wars. Can't start >a war if the Imm's are gonna punish or kick you out of your house for >it.... > I was reading my scrolls this morning and I got a rambling message from one of Legion about how it was kinda silly to have a "no-raid treaty" when some members of life STILL raid legion....and I frankly agree with him. It is. Leaders make decisions about house policies, not your regular lifer stock. He got chasticed because of the treaty....A house is its members and if the members make diffrent policy then the house wants...then the members need to be chastised or booted, but if the leaders decided to help valor or just outright denouce Legion, I'd be fine with it. Adorno From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Jul 18 23:46:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27893 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:46:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27889 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f31.hotmail.com [207.82.250.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA20067 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24338 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 1998 04:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980719044551.24337.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.184.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:45:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.179.184.11] From: "James Bard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:45:51 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Why not give giant rangers perma-sneak, resist to charm, and blending? >Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:47:50 +0300 (EET DST) >From: Atilla OZGUR >To: darkmists >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > > Well. Since nobody mentioned, i want to mention it. Did you notice >Xurino's scroll about Racial abilities. With this scroll we have now >Giant clerics with enhanced damage and bash. Also we have giant ranger >withe bash. Gnome warrior's with scroll,wand and staves skills. >Troll ranger and cleric's also have bash and enhanced damage i think. > >Do centaur warriors get bash %100. If so why centaur paladins,clerics >and ranger don't have bash. With this new skill system, we will going >to get a lot of giant clerics and troll clerics. > > I want to say something about rangers. Who will play human,elf,grey-elf >ranger where there is giant and troll rangers with bash ability. >This bash ability is something which make warrior and anti-paladin >class more powerful than rangers. But now they loose this. I don't say >that rangers are supposed to be less powerful than warriors and anti-paladins >What i am saying is if you give bash to giant rangers why not give all of >them. > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Jul 18 23:50:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA28085 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:50:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28081 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:50:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.multipro.com (root@mail.multipro.com [12.13.128.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20089 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:50:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shiflett (114.ippool.cville.multipro.com [12.13.135.144]) by mail.multipro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26076 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:47:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807190447.XAA26076@mail.multipro.com> From: "Chris Shiflett" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:50:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Valor has officially waged war on Legion. That's old news as of three or four days ago I believe. Valor seeks peace, yes, but sometimes non-peaceful methods are necessary to obtain peace in the end. You'll see an increased bit of excitement between the two houses for a while, and I think people from both houses have really been enjoying it, though it has been kept in a role-playing context, which I think is most important. So, if you want a little more excitement in a stagnant summer, join in the new war waging in Thera. Cirdan, The Eternal Flame, Lord of Peace. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 01:07:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA28985 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28981 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20636 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust41.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.41]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA02837 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000601bdb2dc$0a2fdca0$299e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:17:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu No boredom in the Outlaw house.....We've been having a ball with the Enforcers, although I had expected a rise in their membership with the new leaders. Where are the new Enforcers? - aka Malignus -----Original Message----- From: Tim Whitaker To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! >>From what I understand, certain members of Life don't like Legion, >and are rebels. Others don't seem to want to get involved, and >don't like getting dragged in when the Legion guys go to raid Life >for what the others did. > >--tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas M. Davis >To: >Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:56 PM >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! > > >>"The game is what you make of it, if you want wars between houses >>then start them. I'm all for war." >> >>All I know is that a member of [LIFE] raided [LEGION] yesterday and got >>chastized by IMM's and mortals in the house because of it. So I am not >>so sure how well that theory works as far as starting wars. Can't start >>a war if the Imm's are gonna punish or kick you out of your house for >>it.... >> > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 01:07:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA29009 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28989 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail8.geocities.com [209.1.224.42]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20639 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust41.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.41]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA02852 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701bdb2dc$0bdb1ba0$299e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] House rules Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:11:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Can someone go over for me what restrictions the Houses have on attacking the unhoused? Cloaked Outlaws aren't supposed to, for example. I know crusaders can't gang, but can they attack any unhoused mage? Can Lifers attack anyone evil, and Ancients attack anyone at all? What about the other Houses? I'm just curious. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 03:09:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00298 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00294 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:09:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21326 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-114-31.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.114.31]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15973 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B19CE4.676915A1@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:14:45 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] House rules References: <000701bdb2dc$0bdb1ba0$299e2299@hillpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think someone is confused a bit. Or I'm out dated one. I don't think there is any rule that says housed people can't kill unhoused or the other way around. I can see were it might be unfair, but hey so goes life. And I think that's probably why unhoused people get housed items. But to answer your question there isn't a "rule" that says you as a Lifer can't wax a troll that's not housed. Or as an Enforcer you can't wax any chaotic that's unhoused. Makes for some interesting fights sometimes. Now some houses might have a preference as to no killing, maybe Valor, I'm not for sure. But these preferences are set by the Immortal Leaders of the Houses. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 03:23:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00576 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:23:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00572 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21413 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:22:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kye by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) id DAA00035; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807190817.DAA00035@ICSI.Net> From: "kye" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:21:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >We, the Guildmasters of the Adventurer's Guild, have taken your cries in >mind. We have chosen to remove those things which have been deemed >"secret" from the the guild.. However, the Guild does have these >secrets, and will devulge them to interested parties through less direct >ways. Ofcourse, we are not always correct, as you have already shown. I had a look over there. The 'secrets' are still posted. Nothing was removed. Some of them are outdated, by the way. It's plain to anyone who's visited my unofficial web site that you ripped off my work, didn't even have the courtesy to change fonts. If the immortals wanted brand powers, shrine locations, house locations and house powers listed on web sites, my unofficial site and the official darkmists site would include all that stuff. So any mention of those things on your site isn't going to go over all that well with the immortals of Dark Mists. Promising to send it to people who ask you is no better. I plan to add more stuff to my web page, and it'll anger me greatly if I see any new stuff I've worked on end up on your page. If you expect any cooperation from the immortals of Dark Mists, you're going to have to do better than give empty apologies, display information we'd like the players to discover for themselves, and plug your names on other people's work. Granted, a lot of the info on my page is from the help files, those annoying things nobody ever looks at while they're playing because it's so inconvenient and scrolls up the page too fast to read. You want to lift things from the help files, go for it. But geez, at least have the courtesy to use your own designs throughout. A direct rip-off from an established webpage only makes you people look bad. Xyza From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 13:26:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA04467 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:26:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04463 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f218.hotmail.com [207.82.251.109]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25663 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12181 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 1998 18:25:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19980719182528.12180.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.147 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:25:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.147] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:25:27 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu My dear Lady Xyza, As I promised, those things will be removed within the week, but alas I haven't had the time to work on the Guild yet. Give a man some time, I did not say that they had been removed, merely that they would be removed. In addition, we are dropping everything which came fromst thoust own pages and replacing them with our own. I appologize for the prior actions of our Guild, we are working hard but have had little time this week. Excuse the wait time, but I tried to make it very clear that the pages would not be changed tilst the end of this week. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 01:23:07 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA00614; > Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:23:04 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:23:01 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00576 > for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:23:00 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00572 > for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:22:58 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ICSI.Net (ns2.ICSI.Net [199.1.96.110]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21413 > for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:22:57 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from kye by ICSI.Net (8.8.5/SMI-SVR4) > id DAA00035; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:17:47 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <199807190817.DAA00035@ICSI.Net> >From: "kye" >To: >Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A word on web pages >Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:21:16 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >>We, the Guildmasters of the Adventurer's Guild, have taken your cries in >>mind. We have chosen to remove those things which have been deemed >>"secret" from the the guild.. However, the Guild does have these >>secrets, and will devulge them to interested parties through less direct >>ways. Ofcourse, we are not always correct, as you have already shown. > >I had a look over there. The 'secrets' are still posted. Nothing was >removed. Some of them are outdated, by the way. > >It's plain to anyone who's visited my unofficial web site that you ripped >off my work, didn't even have the courtesy to change fonts. If the immortals >wanted brand powers, shrine locations, house locations and house powers >listed on web sites, my unofficial site and the official darkmists site >would include all that stuff. So any mention of those things on your site >isn't going to go over all that well with the immortals of Dark Mists. >Promising to send it to people who ask you is no better. > >I plan to add more stuff to my web page, and it'll anger me greatly if I see >any new stuff I've worked on end up on your page. If you expect any >cooperation from the immortals of Dark Mists, you're going to have to do >better than give empty apologies, display information we'd like the players >to discover for themselves, and plug your names on other people's work. > >Granted, a lot of the info on my page is from the help files, those annoying >things nobody ever looks at while they're playing because it's so >inconvenient and scrolls up the page too fast to read. You want to lift >things from the help files, go for it. But geez, at least have the courtesy >to use your own designs throughout. A direct rip-off from an established >webpage only makes you people look bad. > >Xyza > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 23:40:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17828 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17824 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f55.hotmail.com [207.82.251.67]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01518 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5764 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1998 04:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980720043945.5763.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.175.219.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.175.219.214] From: "{ Obolan }" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:44 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >No boredom in the Outlaw house.....We've been having a ball with the >Enforcers, although I had expected a rise in their membership with >the new leaders. Where are the new Enforcers? > > - aka Malignus I think that oulaws have a little too much fun... That offer skill of theirs is too powerful. As far as I know they dont even get a timer after they use it, so they just steal and steal and steal... I have killed and looted Krazdic, and in a day he got all of his equipment back, partially by himself, partially by his friends, and I couldnt do anything. If I attack him, he flees, comes back, steals again... :) really annoying. I think that they should get at least 4 tick timer on this skill... About enforcer's shape. Well, we did get a new enforcer: Zonjoran recently. I really hope we will get more strong people, its not fun to be the only enforcer, especially when there is 2-5 oulaws constantly online and they really "like" me, especially Karazdic. Well, I guess thats all... [ENFORCER]Obolan, Cardinal of the East ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 23:40:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17908 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17892 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f187.hotmail.com [207.82.251.76]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01522 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 904 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1998 04:39:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19980720043954.903.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.175.219.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.175.219.214] From: "{ Obolan }" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:54 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >No boredom in the Outlaw house.....We've been having a ball with the >Enforcers, although I had expected a rise in their membership with >the new leaders. Where are the new Enforcers? > > - aka Malignus I think that oulaws have a little too much fun... That offer skill of theirs is too powerful. As far as I know they dont even get a timer after they use it, so they just steal and steal and steal... I have killed and looted Krazdic, and in a day he got all of his equipment back, partially by himself, partially by his friends, and I couldnt do anything. If I attack him, he flees, comes back, steals again... :) really annoying. I think that they should get at least 4 tick timer on this skill... About enforcer's shape. Well, we did get a new enforcer: Zonjoran recently. I really hope we will get more strong people, its not fun to be the only enforcer, especially when there is 2-5 oulaws constantly online and they really "like" me, especially Karazdic. Well, I guess thats all... [ENFORCER]Obolan, Cardinal of the East ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 19 23:44:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18212 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:44:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18208 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f96.hotmail.com [207.82.250.215]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01564 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:44:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1701 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1998 04:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980720044340.1700.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.175.219.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:43:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.175.219.214] From: "{ Obolan }" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] House rules Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:43:40 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Or as an Enforcer you can't wax any chaotic that's unhoused. I know this has nothing to do with what I am going to say, but even if enforcer "waxes" someone unhouse, he has no advantage over him, so there is, of course, no rule prohibiting them from attacking unhoused. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 20 00:42:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19101 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19097 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:42:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02104 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:42:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust136.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.136]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA10003 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301bdb3a1$bede7b00$889e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] House rules Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:46:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >I know this has nothing to do with what I am going to say, but even if >enforcer "waxes" someone unhouse, he has no advantage over him, so there >is, of course, no rule prohibiting them from attacking unhoused. Of course you have an advantage. the armor, for one, and if you just happen to have guards with ya. and that truesight things works all the time on anyone, doesnt it? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 20 00:50:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19297 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:50:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19293 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02181 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:50:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust136.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.136]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12395 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801bdb3a2$ce76adc0$889e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:54:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >>No boredom in the Outlaw house.....We've been having a ball with the >>Enforcers, although I had expected a rise in their membership with >the >new leaders. Where are the new Enforcers? >> >> - aka Malignus > >I think that oulaws have a little too much fun... That offer skill of >theirs is too powerful. I already talked about this so i wont go through my whole spiel again, but remeber, Outlaws are limited to using house skills on Enforcers or Marked enemies only. And we seem to be the only house with that type of restriction. Furthermore, I think we have the least combat skills of any House. Aint like we can cloak someone to death. oh. and gratz on Zonjoran...he aint bad. Did Zirxos retire? haven't seen him in awhile. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 20 01:16:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA19540 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19536 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA02556 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust252.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.158.252]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06051 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000301bdb3a6$88310960$fc9e2299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] House rules Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > But to answer your question there isn't a >"rule" >that says you as a Lifer can't wax a troll that's not housed. Or as an >Enforcer you >can't wax any chaotic that's unhoused. Makes for some interesting fights >sometimes. >Now some houses might have a preference as to no killing, maybe Valor, I'm not >for sure. But these preferences are set by the Immortal Leaders of the Houses. > Whether you call them IMM preferences or whatever, thats what I'm trying to find out. Or if not rules, would they put the person's membership in jeapordy.The Legionaires tell me they dont hit non-rebels....true or false? And I've never seen an Enforcer hit a non (justly or unjustly) CRIMINALed person, but it is a rule? I've never heard of a Lifer slaying a neutral without cause, but is that a rule? Can Valor only attack Legion? To the other extreme, I heard Axistamine would induct someone not even in his lifreange, kill him for their gear, then uninduct them. (that might be old news, but I just heard it from a victim) I have nothing against interesting fights, but some of these things could be seen as poor roleplay, in my opinion. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 20 03:12:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA20366 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20362 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:12:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.uah.edu (email.uah.edu [146.229.1.200]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03510 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (parkerc@localhost) by email.uah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA09875 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:13:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Christopher D. Parker" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Inducion and slaying In-Reply-To: <000301bdb3a6$88310960$fc9e2299@hillpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu For those of you who don't believe what was said about Axistamine, I am one of the unfortunate few who got caught in the middle of a house struggle. I had a 9th ranked thief at the time. Axistamine walks up to me and a 20+ ranked ranger and inducts us both. He then slept, and killed me. But it only get better.... My corpse was looted (of course), and I was left naked. Axistamine then told me to come outside my guild, he had something for me. He did alright, an uninduction. Any Ancient knows this can happen because all house members are in the same pk range, regardless of rank. What is so bad is, an IMM seen it happen, yet nothing was done to restitute me nor was harm given to Axistamine....All the IMM told me was, "I'll look into this". From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 20 06:57:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA21816 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:57:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA21812 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:57:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA05547 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:57:14 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8TAVa02268 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a07e1dd.35b3306b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:56:26 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey, if disintegrate has no Timer, then there is no way Offer should, the only people it can be used on are Enforcers, its very limited as is. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:13:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08563 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08559 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f28.hotmail.com [207.82.250.39]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10792 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24745 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 1998 20:12:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19980721201252.24744.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:12:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.133] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:12:51 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, The Adventurer's Guild, as you may have noticed, has gone through some remodeling. It now has a design more fitting to house even the most legendary adventurer's of Thera, and we have removed the offensive material which previously haunted our hall. We are currently working on the following additions. - Java Chat for IC or OOC chatting - Finishing our Tactics and Beginner's Guides - Uploading our trigger sets for Gmud Please, send us any information so we may add it to the Tomes of Arms and Armor. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:18:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08773 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08769 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10891 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:31 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8WICa20768 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2991f8d8.35b4f76c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:17:47 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey can I have the site again? and I will be sending you some items in a minute, elysium helm and manticore tail... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:21:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08982 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:21:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08978 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:20:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10927 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:20:58 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8HERa17154 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <90fc5a58.35b4f7df@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:19:40 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] web page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hey can I have the site again? and I will be sending you some items in a minute, elysium helm and manticore tail... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:21:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09172 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09168 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:21:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10940 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:21:34 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8CPRa26166 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6982575a.35b4f82c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:20:59 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sorry about the last message, that was meant to be sent in private. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:23:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09366 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09362 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f3.hotmail.com [207.82.250.14]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10977 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7798 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 1998 20:22:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19980721202252.7797.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:22:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:22:47 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay now I am not trying to be a jerk here. Yeah you remove the brand powers, but I still see the house powers listed there was that not something that was asked for you to take off. Also in defense of Xyza's work. The maps page still looks the same as hers. yeah it doesn't have the same title or background, but the spacing of the words the font all that is iddentical. I am not trying to be mean here, but if you are going to tell everyone that the page is fixed shouldn't it be completely fixed? Just a thought. Maybe everyone else sees it different than me, but it still looks like some things people didn't want to see there and some things that were ripped off. Adam A. Hubbard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:23:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09474 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09454 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.hotmail.com [207.82.251.143]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10984 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1701 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 1998 20:23:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980721202311.1699.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:23:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:10 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay now I am not trying to be a jerk here. Yeah you removed the brand powers, but I still see the house powers and locations listed there was that not something that was asked for you to take off. Also in defense of Xyza's work. The maps page still looks the same as hers. yeah it doesn't have the same title or background, but the spacing of the words the font all that is iddentical. I am not trying to be mean here, but if you are going to tell everyone that the page is fixed shouldn't it be completely fixed? Just a thought. Maybe everyone else sees it different than me, but it still looks like some things people didn't want to see there and some things that were ripped off. Adam A. Hubbard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 16:02:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10135 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10131 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:01:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11865 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:01:58 -0500 (CDT) From: BHodge5200@aol.com Received: from BHodge5200@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8DZUa03745 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <316795f5.35b50119@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:59:02 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok in regards to the Adventure guild 1. maps are maps they are gonna look the same cause thats what the look like in the mud 2. The house powers are widely known, its not really a secret. Remeber the page is ooc the listing of stats and skills and spells are not public knowlege either in a in character perspective lastly I'm receiving duplicates of the mailing list messages, don't know if its me or the mailing list but if you could look into it, thanks From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 16:09:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10352 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:09:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10348 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12043 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01301 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:09:27 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bdb4eb$de758580$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:09:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >2. The house powers are widely known, its not really a secret. Remeber the >page is ooc the listing of stats and skills and spells are not public knowlege >either in a in character perspective If they are so widely known how come so many are wrong on the page? BTW, I think that the pages look much better, but be careful on some of those dark background, you can't see some of the text, like on the religions page ;) Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 16:30:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10965 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:30:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10961 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:30:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (basmeta@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12492 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from basmeta@localhost) by odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (8.8.8/8.7) id QAA21410 for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:30:10 -0500 From: Brad Alan Smetanko Message-Id: <199807212130.QAA21410@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: [DARKMISTS] Getting some presonality To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:30:10 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <006601bdb4eb$de758580$060110ac@shelby.net> from "Tim Whitaker" at Jul 21, 98 05:09:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Anyone else ever get tired of getting tells constantly saying, 'Group?' or 'be third?' I mean how hard is it to type a few extra letters... Trenton From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 16:35:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA11287 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:35:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11267 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:35:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12610 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:35:10 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8NGAa26053 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46846d95.35b5096d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:34:35 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Getting some presonality Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Couldn't have put it better trenton, even if you are tired you can at least manage a care to group? if not the full care to join me in my travels or whatever speech. I usually mess with those peopel by saying third what? or something of that sort. But of course the people who talk like that arn't the ones serious enough to be on this mailing list, so other than a lot of complaining nothing will come of it most likely, and once you pass rank 30-40 it diminishes a lot anyway. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 17:07:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13012 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:07:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13008 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13387 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:07:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id RAA10748 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:07:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Jones X-Sender: kevinj@earth To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. In-Reply-To: <19980721202252.7797.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hello, yes I'm still around. The maps the graphical ones on the wex page probably look very nice, but is there any way to get maps not maps but like directions i.e. from winter square some place might be 3e n 4e 2n. or something like that Kevin "New study shows that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions." From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 00:35:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA21284 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21280 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20133 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:44 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA00765 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx45-01.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.65) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000758; Wed Jul 22 00:35:02 1998 Message-ID: <35B57CD7.6B6D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:47:03 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! References: <19980717161145.22879.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Maybe Arcana should lose channel and Crusader should lose deathblow. They would stay rather balanced and would be a little more closer to that of the unhoused and heck, other house members for that matter. Then they could actually do more mischief/upholding beliefs without making people whine they're too powerful. -Thrym, where am I? Xialinin Zo'xzin wrote: > First, Arcana and Crusader are no longer > warring, at all, and this makes it incredibly boring the play either > House. An Arcana member has nothing to do but sit and master spells, > and we all know thats incredibly exciting. Crusaders, way too powerful > for any normal mage to handle, walk through Thera without a care in the > world.. who's gonna attack them.. certainly not a big bad Arcana member. > If Arcana can't attack them, they should lose deathblow since the only > reason they should have it is to knock through channel. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 00:37:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA21474 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:37:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21470 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20150 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:37:24 -0500 (CDT) From: bantam@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA00847 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx45-01.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.65) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000841; Wed Jul 22 00:36:43 1998 Message-ID: <35B57D3D.694F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:48:45 -0500 Organization: Jooce X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! References: <35AF511C.A79C9F1D@logex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thomas M. Davis wrote: > > Ummm, will someone please reinstall Ancient. Cause I am bored. Any of > you all bored? Create some fun elsewhere, sheesh, ain't ya got an imagination? Don't rely on what's already going on in the mud to act upon. Create your own waves. -Thrym From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 01:08:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22301 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:08:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22297 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:08:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f244.hotmail.com [207.82.251.135]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA20561 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:08:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 24862 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 1998 06:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980722060815.24861.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:08:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.143] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:08:15 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu www.fleur-de-lis.com/Darkmists/index.html >From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 21 13:18:47 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08811; > Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:39 -0500 (CDT) >Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:35 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08773 > for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:34 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) > by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08769 > for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:33 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) > by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10891 > for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:18:31 -0500 (CDT) >From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com >Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com > by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8WICa20768 > for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <2991f8d8.35b4f76c@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:17:47 EDT >To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Adventurer's Guild remodeled and updated. >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 >Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Hey can I have the site again? and I will be sending you some items in a >minute, elysium helm and manticore tail... > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 01:19:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22786 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22782 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA20729 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 26422 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 1998 06:18:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980722061849.26421.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:18:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.143] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] In repsonse to your myriad of comments, complaints... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:18:49 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu the URL for the website is www.fleur-de-lis.com/Darkmists/index.html I will start adding it as a signature to my mailings. On the comments of Adam: I appologize that I forgot to upload our new Houses file.. the old one was up their _one_ _day_ too much. Excuse my slight interruption in your finicky life. I will be editing the pages to make it a little easier to read. I refuse to totally re-write every peice of info from Xyza's page. That information which is straight from a help file is left how it was. Hence the race descriptions will remain the way they are. I have done some of my own formatting and designing.. very simply using Liquid FX. To everyone else: Thankyou for your interest in the Guild, be ready for more improvements. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 08:25:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26772 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:25:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26768 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA25709 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4404 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 1998 13:25:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19980722132503.4403.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:25:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] In repsonse to your myriad of comments, complaints... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:25:03 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Yes it is me again. I think now that the house stuff is corrected that the site looks good. I am sorry if you took offense at what I said, but I did not know that you were changing the house page at all. I am sorry for that. And I did not mean for you to change anything that you can get from the help files. What you have now is looking good and can be a good resource. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 22 08:37:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA27970 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:37:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27964 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f70.hotmail.com [207.82.250.156]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA25975 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:37:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 8693 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 1998 13:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980722133656.8692.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:36:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:36:56 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well not that I don't see what you are saying Thrym, but I thought that the point of being in a house is that you are further from the unhoused. If you were to take away Arcana's channel and crusader's deathblow, Crusader by far gets the better deal there. Because as elite warriors they hit hard all the time anyway. And without our Channel we would not have even close to enough life to stand up to them even without their deathblow. It is tough enough with both of them. And about the mischief, I know you are all about chaos and confusion, but Arcana is not meant to be out createing mischief. Yeah we have fun be we are a non-aggressive house. As you know that is why we have the abilities we do. They are meant more for defense. Now if we were aggressive I could see the reduction in the amount of life we get from channel. Because then it would be unfair to the normal populace, but since we aren't aggressive, we only attack those that attack us. We do not go hunting unless you have done something to us. Then if that is the case, that was their mistake in messing with us. I would be glad to hear anything more you would like to say on this. I have heard others make mention of this before. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 03:22:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA27049 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:22:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27045 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.67.134]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA22085 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:22:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e105723@localhost) by amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29932; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:47 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:46 +0300 (EET DST) From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] ARCANA & CRUSADER Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In my opinion this is pk mud so people should be able to attack and kill both arcana members and crusader members. But most of people don't attack them 'cause they are too powerful. Well this is true and this is not true. Since they have house powers which put them above normal unhoused people. They are hard to kill. But i remember a time when i and my friend kill 4 arcana in front of their house. They can be killed but beacuse of that hp bonus they are very very hard to kill. And being a arcana member there is no action. Only enter a game locate something go and get it. Or Explore new areas. I had a arcana cleric but it is uninducted beacuse of inactiveness. I believe that all of houses should be somewhat aggressive. I did not mean that they should be Old Outlaw but they should see action. they should kill their opposite. They should work something. When i was arcana member, leaders of house were making treaties with Crusader. In my opinion this is ridicoulus. Of course they will say that we are after knowledge and we don't want to be disturbed in our tower. Crusader are meant to be opposite of arcana. They are trying to destroy mortal magic, There should be constant fight between crusader and arcana.. And about crusader deathblow and arcana hp bonus. Reduce effectivenes of both of them. And see the action of both houses. And i wonder someone said that they are warriors and they hit hard without hp bonus, we can't beat them. I want to ask What UNHOUSED mages are supposed do (without hp bonus).. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 04:38:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA27328 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:38:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27324 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:38:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f67.hotmail.com [207.82.250.153]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA23108 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 1030 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1998 09:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980723093749.1029.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.182 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:37:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.182] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Darkmists Adventurer's Guild Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:37:49 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, The Adventurer's Guild has under gone a few minor adjustments which you may wish to know about. We have fixed the problem with closing the site and wierd abominations appearing. In addition to increase visibility of already visited rooms, we changed the color of certain texts. In addition, we added links to other Darkmists sites on the front page, and gave credit where it be do to Lady Xyza for her work. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 08:26:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA00868 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:26:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00860 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:26:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25800 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:25:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19017 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdb63d$615591a0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] ARCANA & CRUSADER Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:25:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This subject is beyond me for some reason. People saying "take away their powers!" thinking it's going to change something about these two houses. People whining because Arcana doesn't fight, and Crusader is to strong. Arcana, a house I have been attached to for a very long time is not a war house, it's a house of study. When you join Arcana, you know you are going to spend your time "studying." It's a very relaxing character to play, because most of the time, people just don't mess with you. You can go rank and explore and make friends with the other ArchMages. Anyone who I interviewed when I led Arcana, I told them this was the way it was, if you came for bloodthirst or powers, then you shouldn't join Arcana. If Arcana was any other way, it just wouldn't be Arcana. Crusader on the other hand, is a war house, it has powers and a code to reflect that. Crusaders are bound to some very strict rules, like no gang-banging. Take away Crusader deathblows, and you think this balanced Crusaders out? No, it makes them extremely weak. Crusaders have to fight all fights one on one, and if the mage is a necro with charmies, oh well. Take a hero necro with a least 5 charmies on his vs a crusader without deathblows, or a cleric or a paladin who can constantly heal themselves, is the crusader going to win? Crusaders get their powers from the fact they don't use magic. Try not using magic for a while, don't use potions, don't ask someone to id things for you, don't word, don't gate, don't ask your friend for a sanc before you attack that big mob.... see how well you do. If you want houses that have constant war, there are those out there *coughLegion*. Xeo From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 08:52:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02290 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02286 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f259.hotmail.com [207.82.251.150]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA26438 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 13281 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1998 13:51:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19980723135154.13279.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:51:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] ARCANA & CRUSADER Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:51:53 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I couldn't have said it better myself Tim. Throm has given me a chance to get to know people, and definately get to know the area a lot better. I have been able to most of the time relax. Yes it is fun to fight a crusader ever so often. And I think you may see more fights between us soon enough the way things are going. The crusaders all seem to be getting very bloodthirsty. I have seen a few young ones do some things with a great lack of thought, which I think has gotten them to decide to come after us a bit more. But anyway, As Tim said we are a house of studying. If you aren't ready to spend time doing that then I would say Arcana may not be the way for you to go. I for one enjoyed mastering all my spells. It was a very big challenge. And the mastery of my last three skills brings another challenge to me. After that, well finding everything I possibly can in the realm would be another great challenge That I know I will be next to impossible, but I will still try. I don't think either houses powers should be toned down. Arcana has channel to make it so unhoused won't want to attack them. That makes sense, since they don't want to fight very much. As for crusader, yeah try going without any magic at all. I will tell right straight up it is not easy. The powers you get in the house I would view as a reward for accomplishing something that is so tough to do. And yes Xeo, we all know where to look for war *grin* or at least I do. It is kind of nice to see that Life has actually declared war on you finally. *grin* Makes things a bit more interesting. What without Ancient and all. Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 15:24:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17337 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:24:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17333 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:24:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.hotmail.com [207.82.251.138]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA06463 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:23:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 6110 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1998 20:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19980723202218.6109.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.81.0.30 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:22:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.81.0.30] From: "The Raven" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:22:17 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok, here's a topic I can relate to since I've been complaining about it for a long time. Arcana's should get all the powers they have, in my opinion they should get even more powerful spells since after all they are always studying magic and trying to get stronger (even though all my attempts to summon deamons with Brona have been squished, and squashed, and trampled and crushed and all kinds of other messy stuff). But really folks, arcana is soupposed to be non-hostile. Would you like it if say, B were to walk up to you on a daily basis with 10 mobs all level 50+ (well the skeletons anyways) and killed you. Would you A: Take it in stride and say "Oh well, he's in arcana and he's using magic." B: Try and retaliate. or C: Complain that arcana's are too strong. The answer is of course C. They're strong for the reason that people will say "Hey, he's too tough, I'll go pick on somebody else." Or for those of you who enjoy a challenge to come out and attack the archmage. I duel on a daily basis with 5 mobs and beat crusaders into tiny pieces, I had Wothan fleeing after 1 round, I killed Shota in 2. If I were allowed to do that to everybody then there would be some serious power tipping. Same goes for crusaders, they don't get the privalege of using stuff like flaming/freezing bite or shocking bite and that makes it hard for them to beat the non-elf arcanas. They can't fly unless it's natural so earthquake is fun. The deathblows are there to show just how powerful a warrior they are. Toneing down the house powers will just make it easier for unhoused gear horders to come up, kill us, take our gear, hide in their guilds and then say "Ha! Ha! I have all the limited stuff and I'm hiding in my guild and logging on once a month and you can't have any of it because I'm a greedy no rp person who only cares about pieces of coded text." Oh and since I've rambled on and on, what's an unhoused mage soupposed to do against a crusader, 3 things: A: Flee, B: c 'word of recall' or C: die. Don't complain about the house powers is what I'm getting at, if you have a problem with arcana's having too many hps, or crusaders having deathblows, join the houses. Sure those powers are nice but not being able to sanc or haste is a fair trade for deathblows (or heal either *shiver*) and not being able to attack other people unless provoked is your trade for hps. Believe me, enough people try to provoke archmages, we get to use the hps. You'll appreciate why they have them more after you've experienced it. Just more blithering on my part, Your friendly neighbourhood Dave (Brona/Stragen) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 16:02:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA17935 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17931 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:02:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07310 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:02:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-094.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.94]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29852 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35B7921F.AD2A42DE@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:42:24 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Life, Legion, No Ancient etc... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980723135154.13279.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay, just wanted to toss some things up for debate and maybe set a few fires under some people. If not, odds are I'll just get some more people to not like me :) Okay...Life and Legions war (*tips* to Cedez and I for finally getting it going full tilt) Well....it brings an element back that I think has been missing since Ancient was disbanded. Alot of people like to come on and have some people to tangle with. I enjoy sitting back and talking to potential squires or speaking to others in my house about tactics and the like, but when a good war is brewing, I really start to get into it. Now, some will say that having two houses to fight, Valor and Life will be a tad much, but whats the challenge in pounding on the same people over and over again....Hash has died some (more than I expected) since Ancient was done in, but the fights are always interesting and exciting. As far as Crusader, Arcana business....I can see how some people would like the idea of having a character that didn't have to worry about all the wars and stuff surrounding them, but by making them SO hard to kill I think equipment hoarding is encouraged. I'm not pointing fingers but I think we all know what I'm talking about. Lets see...Crusaders....well...they are getting nasty again, another side effect of Ancient not being around. This whole FORSAKEN business, well, thats another story. Alot of the people in Legion now I have alot of respect for, yeah, they got some killer powers, but they are beatable, and they have to work to stay alive. One of the advantages magic using people have over a Crusader is being able to flee, heal quickly and come back. Now if you do that, you are marked FORSAKEN and get ganged. Kinda cheesy now that warriors can heal themselves some too, and Crusaders have bandage. I think Darkwood was just trying to help his house, but went a tad too far. I won't even get started on Hash's FORSAKEN flag :P (just ask any Crusader other than Darkwood if he deserved it) AC aka Hashkar From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 23 16:18:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18665 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18661 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:18:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07688 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P28VBQLG; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <35B7A9C9.D0747988@logex.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:23:21 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Life, Legion, No Ancient etc... References: <19980723135154.13279.qmail@hotmail.com> <35B7921F.AD2A42DE@telenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Equipment: I don't even want to get into eq hoarding. I also thank you, Hash for getting this little squabble going. I was getting so BORED! Now I am just waiting to get captured...! As far as crusader and arcana. I couldnt care less. If you really want someone dead bad enough, it can always be done. Just get creative or get a real gang together and have a party. Sure maybe, one of you will die in the process, but the mission will be accomplished and the spoils will be yours. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 24 08:32:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02546 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:32:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02542 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:32:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f122.hotmail.com [207.82.251.1]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA21087 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 6138 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 1998 13:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980724133132.6137.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:31:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.54] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:31:31 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Exactly Dave.... We are a non-aggressive house. To stay that way the normal person has to go uhh..... I don't think I will attack because they have so much life. If we didn't a lot more people would attack and we wouldn't be able to study like we are meant to. And the question of why aren't we aggressive. That is the whole point of the house to dedicate your life to your magic. Study learn all you can, and not use it to destroy people. That is how the house was designed. Yeah it is different than other houses, but that is what makes it fun. And Hash about your Forsaken flag, Have you forgotten already all the ganging you did. That is what got you Forsaken, and don't try to deny it. I can attest first hand for your ganging. And how could all mages haven't gotten it for fleeing and healing. Not all of us can heal ourselves. Only heal with what gold we are carrying on ourselves. Oh yeah and on a personal note, I really like my heavy sack Hash....*grin**chuckle* Adam aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 24 13:22:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA04666 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:22:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04662 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:22:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (magreer@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02054 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:22:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (magreer@localhost) by odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id NAA16960 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:22:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:22:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Alson Greer To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing In-Reply-To: <19980724133132.6137.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Uhm how long are going to beat a dead horse? very simple question. Now if it were productive i understand but to say the same think g over and over and over and over and over again sheesh I think we get the point. take a breath. *chuckle* Mark From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 24 15:40:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07163 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07159 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.telenet.net (root@WWW.TeleNet.NET [204.97.152.225]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05821 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from telenet.net (Dialup153-056.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.56]) by shell.telenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13816 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35B8F1E8.FE49B215@telenet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:43:20 -0400 From: "Paul E. Christman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980724133132.6137.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just another point to ponder and such....Arcana's are dedicated to studying and such, mastering all their spells...yada yada yada... Okay...what exactly are they studying....I don't see much out there to be studied....if it's their supposed mastery of spells, anyone can get that without having to dedicate their lives to it. It would be nice if some of these ArchWizards actually came up with some simple derivatives off of other spells, maybe a few new weak magic items, or even published some books on all of this supposed research. Make them be active and do something other than use all their kick ass house powers to go gather every limited item worth having that repops. As far as Crusaders, I think they're starting to get in line now finally. A few of them are actually nasty too. It seems to me that deathblow got pumped up a little bit....but that could just be me, but I think the beating that Ancient put on them showed that they did need a little fixing. For all those people who complain they are unstoppable...try using your heads when fighting them. A Crusader can only recall 1 time in 24 ticks....that means if you catch them away from their house, and have word, you can assault them...flee and still cut them off at the pass. Spellbane doesn't block earthquake...remember that :) And spellbane doesn't block everything that is cast at it....I've gotten a blind curse and faerie fire through sequentially on a Crusader before , without a deathblow landing yet. Just don't stick around too long after ya get ERADICATED by a pugil past sanc.... :) AC From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 24 16:27:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA07987 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07983 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:27:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (magreer@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.13]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06763 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:27:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (magreer@localhost) by odin.cmp.ilstu.edu (8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id QAA32686 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:27:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:27:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Alson Greer To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing In-Reply-To: <35B8F1E8.FE49B215@telenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hey got a good idea why dont you gripe a little more i'm sure people are listening to you. *grin* From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 24 20:45:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12680 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12676 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:45:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f195.hotmail.com [207.82.251.84]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA10179 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:45:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25189 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 1998 01:44:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980725014445.25188.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:44:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.148] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Equipment Lists Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:44:45 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, We have been overjoyed at the comments that you enjoy the Books of Arms and Armor that we hold within our guild. However, we would like to continue expanding them. Please send scrolls to me whenever you can, no equipment is too trivial. We are looking to have a totally complete list one day, but we need everyone's help. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Student of the Void, Guildmaster of Adventurers www.fleur-de-lis.com/Darkmists/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 26 17:28:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07575 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:28:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07571 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29660 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:28:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FUMa04161 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:27:13 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: What the heck has been going on? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu About the race powers thing, can someone fill me in on this aspect? I have been out of it for two weeks with no TV and Computer at a sailing camp down near the coast. If someone could KINDLY tell me what has been going on in the realms for the past two weeks it would be GREAT Thanx -Khain From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 26 21:50:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA10809 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:50:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA10805 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:50:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f56.hotmail.com [207.82.251.68]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01921 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:49:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21520 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1998 02:49:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19980727024922.21518.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.146 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:49:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.146] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: What the heck has been going on? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:49:22 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well, heres a short rundown. The skills and abilities which races get, have been made equally distributed. That is to say, those skills which were not given to some characters because of their profession, (ie enhanced damage in the case of giant clerics) is now given to them. Thus giants and trolls now always have enhanced damage and bash, dwarves always have berserk, etc. It will be interesting to see if this change devastates the balance of the Mists. Xialinin Xo'xzin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 26 21:56:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11097 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:56:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11093 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:56:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.17]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01990 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 27662 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1998 02:55:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980727025537.27661.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.146 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:55:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.146] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Adventurer's Guild: The Board of Bounties Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:55:37 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, We at the Adventurer's Guild have put up a new bulletin board which you can use to place bounties on those individuals which you feel need to be,... dealt with. If you wish to place a bounty, please send a scroll to the Guild, or to me personally(ie an email or a note) and we will promptly (daily) update the board. If you wish to remove a bounty listed, do the same. Bounties should be serious, and the Guild will enforce a bounty with its members blades if need be. You must redeem boutnies with the people who place them for the time being, although later I may be taking and holding bounties within the Guild until proof of the killing is brought. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Jul 26 22:03:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA11292 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:03:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11288 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:03:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f208.hotmail.com [207.82.251.99]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA02077 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25277 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1998 03:02:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980727030251.25275.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.146 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:02:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.146] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Adventuer's Guild: The Board of Bartering Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:02:51 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Therans, We have erected a board within the Guild of Adventurers which will be used to barter items. Items to be bartered should be valuable, and any attempt to auction poor or common items will be quelched promptly. To auction an item, send a scroll to the Guild or to me personally. Please specify any enchantments on the item, as well as an identification if the item is not within the Guilds Books. Also list what moneys or items would be appropriate offers. The Guild will list your name with the items you wish to barter so that interested parties may send a scroll to you personally. If you lose the item you previously wished to barter, either through one way or another, please send scroll so that we may remove it from the Board. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 27 08:57:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA17618 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:57:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17614 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:57:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f193.hotmail.com [207.82.251.82]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA07997 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:57:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22280 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1998 13:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980727135636.22279.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:56:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.4] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] This Arcana/Crusader thing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:56:35 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Okay I took a bit of offense about you saying how easy it is for one to master all of their spells and skills. You say without dedicating your life to it. Well I for on don't see any characters you've had with their name on Xyza's list of masters. hmm..... Maybe that is because you haven't. Don't put down something ooc that you haven't tried to do. It is pretty hard to do so. Believe me since I have now gotten all my spells with Throm. And about using our powers to get everything under the sun, well that sounds like what you always do with Hashkar does it not. So don't whine about something you haven't done, and also about something you do as well. We don't want to hear it. Sorry to those of you that my tone may offend, but I had to get that off my chest. I am just tired of people whining about things that are done a certain way for a reason. Adam aka Throm/Loric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Jul 27 14:42:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29087 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:42:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29083 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:42:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f219.hotmail.com [207.82.251.110]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA16232 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:41:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17583 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1998 19:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19980727194119.17582.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.174 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:41:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.174] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Adventuerer's Guild: A Call for Feedback Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:41:19 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings Adventurers of Thera, We at the Adventurer's Guild would like some feedback about the Guild, especially about the new additions. Immortals of Thera, I would especially appreciate your two sense on the Guild. In addition, we are going to be adding another section to the Guild, called the Bard's Table. Each week, we will be featuring a new poet, singer, storyteller, etc. If you wish to be featured at the Table, send your song, story, interview, etc to me and we'll feature your work. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Thera ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 01:27:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA19804 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19800 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:27:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27025 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:27:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-116-223.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.116.223]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20522 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BD61F9.9726B9F9@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:30:34 -0400 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventuerer's Guild: A Call for Feedback References: <19980727194119.17582.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well you did ask for it. Mainly, I don't agree with your last two options. You have a hitlist. And you have a trading depot. How about you take these out and find a way to do this Inside your character? I mean we do have an auction channel, right? We do have blackmarket dealers, right? I find it sad that one would "hire" a mercenary because he/she can't kill someone. Call me crazy but I think the only thing you have going for you is the equipment list. I won't knock ya, you're not doing to bad taking into consideration the limited capabitly of the identify spell. I'm not to fond of the Bards table or whatever. I mean if I wanted some deep indepth poetry I'd read a book, but I'd rather take a gun to my head. So you don't win my vote there, besides if you didn't know there's a place called Carrion Fields for the Poetically enhanced people. Eat your heart out. 10 notes a day at least about nothing. The Beginners guide? Needed to an extent. To PK? get serious. I'd be willing to bet that if anyone on this mailing list is a newbie, they aren't very new to mud but to Darkmist. PKing In my opinion is an art. Anyone can at some point kill anyone. Very easy to do, but can you do it so quick that they never saw you? I mean come on. Want to kill someone best strategy....get a good weapon...some good damage behind ya and beat the living &@^#...... piss out of em till they die. Anything after that is experience I'd say. The maps. Again Hardly needed. If you take the time to go to a web page to find out about an area, you're by passing all the cool stuff, we the area builders have done. For example. When it's announced that there is going to be a new area. Everyone waits till reboot, don't deny it. Get's their great characters on and flattens it for the eq. Great eh? You've killed an area if a few hours maybe, but then you go back. Why? Cause you want to find other things. Like I said up top, it's all about experience. You don't need a guide with steps 1-10 to help you. Remember folks, I'm the guy that put the entertainment center together with no instructions. Why? Cause I've done it before. Go to Darkmists. PLAY the game. Experience the roleplay. Get caught up in a good fight. Win some. Lose some. Come back, gain ranks whatever. PLAY the game again. You want to know something? ie. Stats on eq. Go to the web page, I've no problem. You want to know how to pk? Go try it out. Want to know skills/spells of a house? Go join it. Web pages are all over the place with information, but NOT one of them will ever do as much as some real experience. My names Chris, the thoughts here are mine and mine alone. Malistien -the list is too long- (Former) Immortal Leader of Enforcer From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 03:57:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA21676 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:57:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21672 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:57:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.67.134]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28604 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:57:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from e105723@localhost) by amanos.eee.metu.edu.tr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10538; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:53:28 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:53:24 +0300 (EET DST) From: Atilla OZGUR To: darkmists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I don't think mastering spells so hard. Everybody knows how to use tintin. And my friends who entered Arcana used tintin to master their spells. When you are playing another mud or talking in irc, Surfing in WWW. Your CHAR is mastering his/her spells. So please don't say mastering spells need some skill. I don't believe that and I have entered arcana. And I have mastered all of my spells including house spells. I am not and was not Xyza's list. Since i have not even heard that list. My entering times to game was different i think. Anyway my char is deleted due to inactivity. I was bored with that char. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 12:21:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04791 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:21:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04787 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:21:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA07284 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28341 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 1998 17:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980728172111.28340.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.156.234.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:21:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.156.234.2] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:21:11 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > I don't think mastering spells so hard. Everybody knows how to use >tintin. I don't know anything about it, and its not being 'hard' that matters, its spending the time >spells. When you are playing another mud or talking in irc, Surfing >in >WWW. Your CHAR is mastering his/her spells. So please don't say >mastering >spells need some skill. Sure, some people do that.. I master my spells and skills while actually playing Darkmists.. original huh? If you talk to me when I'm practicing, the latest you'll get a reply is after the lag is off of the spell, or if I'm thinking > I don't believe that and I have entered arcana. >And I have mastered all of my spells including house spells. I am not >and was not Xyza's list. Since i have not even heard that list. My >entering times to game was different i think. Anyway my char is deleted >due to inactivity. I was bored with that char. Aparently, thats not your forte, its not fun for you to becoime a full master who was it? Turlock? Don't go trying to master all your spells and skills just for the sake of it, or if you're bored do it for a reason.. I do it because i like roleplaying.. imagine that i have lots of reasons, not least of which is to become guildmaster on another note.. it seems there are a lot of people still saying they are bored.. well send an email to the board and reccomend some quests for the Immortals to put together (notice i said reccomend) its their choice if they do it.. Ragnar the Great Mystic Thalon the Student of Form Xenith Xyrthane, ex-(nolonger Humble) Servant of the Lady of Magic Xyrthuine Xanor the.. forget what.. changeling paladin Xalia Xynthra, weaver of energy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 15:40:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA13476 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13472 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.ilstu.edu (mail.ilstu.edu [138.87.4.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12108 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from basmeta.ilstu.edu (line8018.ras.ilstu.edu [138.87.8.18]) by mail.ilstu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22758 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:39:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980728153313.0068874c@mail.ilstu.edu> X-Sender: basmeta@mail.ilstu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:33:20 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Brad Smetanko Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >who was it? Turlock? >Don't go trying to master all your spells and skills just for the sake >of it, or if you're bored >do it for a reason.. I do it because i like roleplaying.. imagine that >i have lots of reasons, not least of which is to become guildmaster Come on Xenith, don't I get a little more credit than that? Turlock mastered his spells because I liked roleplaying that type of character too. And I never used any aid to mastering either, just good old-fashioned spending lots of time at the keyboard. But on another note, why is there not a paladin's guild in Ofcol of all places? And keep the quests coming. It's fun to see people running all over the place. Trenton From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 15:53:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA14006 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:53:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14001 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:53:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12415 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:53:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FTAa13455 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1950b2cc.35be3a35@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:53:08 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Boredom/bad RP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think things are getting too plain around here, exept for the paladins. I had a paladin attack my channeler yesterday in town outside my guild. I didnt provoke him at all and he just grins evilly, points at me, and attacks!, I run away of course, but someone tell me this is'nt a VERY good example at how bad the role-playing needs to be enforced? Its bad enough when you have a thief running after you, you get him over with by luring him into attacking in front of elite guards, and a paladin comes up while your still wounded and attacks you! If anyone sees him, his name is Galanous. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 20:18:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20330 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20326 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:18:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f240.hotmail.com [207.82.251.131]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA18104 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:18:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11995 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1998 01:17:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19980729011741.11994.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.255.145.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:17:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.255.145.185] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Re: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:17:40 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Come on Xenith, don't I get a little more credit than that? Turlock >mastered his spells because I liked roleplaying that type of character too. > And I never used any aid to mastering either, just good old-fashioned >spending lots of time at the keyboard. But on another note, why is there >not a paladin's guild in Ofcol of all places? And keep the quests coming. >It's fun to see people running all over the place. > >Trenton > Oh, sorry. (not being sarcastic) I was asking seriously because I was curious, not pointing and saying you didnt roleplay I'm just saying, if you like to do it, its not so 'hard' because its fun and there is 'some' skill to it for instance, there are certain ways to master spells faster, or other things like that.. I have trouble with words very often.. (people who know me real well know that.. sometimes the wrong idea gets across, actually more often than not oh, and the first guildmaster might be on his way soon:) if i pass the quest that is that might bring for some interesting action, and probably i'll be betrayed at least once ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Jul 28 21:29:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22116 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22112 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f125.hotmail.com [207.82.251.4]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA18992 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:29:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28275 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1998 02:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980729022832.28274.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.178] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Auction and Bounty.. some comments which got me thinking. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:31 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings, I had an Immortal tell me that my Guild's Barterer's Corner and Board of Bounty were terrible and OOC. To this I ask you, the players of the Mists to call for some changes. Wouldn't you like to see a way for you to tell others in the World about an item you wish to get rid of without having to send messages to every powerful person you know. I would. What about a command which would allow you to place a bounty on a person's head.. a monetary bounty, which would be instantly redeemable when you landed the final blow. These things would add flavor to the World, and would give a needed check to the insane pkilling which occurs. If you knew that player X had a 2 million dollar bounty on their head, wouldn't you think about killing them. Also, if the Immortals want to complain about the Guilds OOCness I respond in this way: I have made the Guild as IC as I can possibly make it. I am attempting to add flavor and excitement to the game with my project. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 08:11:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03402 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03398 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:11:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jordan.logex.com (jordan.logex.com [209.118.167.69]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02303 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:11:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from logex.com (HOBBES [209.118.167.119]) by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P28VBRQB; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: <35BF20C5.2E441E67@logex.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:16:53 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Auction and Bounty.. some comments which got me thinking. References: <19980729022832.28274.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Xialinin Zo'xzin, I thank you for your effort of putting the page together. Some areas I like and some I don't. But you know what, I am not going to bitch about them. Cause, it's your right to do what ever the heck you want with that page. If I don't have use for something, I don't go back to the page. If you are giving away secrets, then obviously they aren't secrets...and someone needs to do a better job about hiding them from you. It is your time and effort, and just becasue one or two people get all bent out of shape about it, doesn't mean you have to please everyone. So stop whinning about this page like a bunch of brats and grow up. T.Davis From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 12:37:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15620 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:36:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15616 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09664 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:36:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8QIa002268 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <912af6cf.35bf5d8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:36:14 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Auction and Bounty.. some comments which got me thinking. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I like the idea of the bounty thing. Maybe it could set up a Brotherhood of BountyHunters or something, or people that devote their life to bounty hunting, as their trade and their means of living. ::shrug:: as the wise Xurinos said before me: bash it, praise it, or shrug it. Gimmie some feedback on this one. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 14:17:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA20517 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:17:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20493 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:17:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f69.hotmail.com [207.82.250.155]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA12219 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22396 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1998 19:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19980729191633.22395.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:16:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.136] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:16:33 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Obviously I was unaware of some opinions the Immortals of the Mists hold. Let me explain some things. First, the reason the site is where it is has to do with the fact that Fleur De Lis has given us unlimited space and upload/download. They could care less what we do with it as long as we don't take traffic away from them.. which I really doubt we do. Furthermore, I have some things I would like to say OOC to the Pantheon. I once considered working within your "system" but after I realized that people like Xeonauz, people who get caught cheating over and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall further and further,.. so far in fact as to implement ANOTHER pure pking House like Legion because things were gettings so boring people couldn't stand it. The Houses are stagnating, you change the stats of items week by week, and you implement changes in important skills without sending notes. I loved it when I got on with my changeling and saw people changing to look like me, but shouldn't we have been told about the change. Don't act as if my efforts are an insult.. they will only be so because you haven't been doing a lot with the Mists for quite some time. There is little to no action in the Mud, and even where roleplaying could be done well, it is done uncreatively and without flavor. Any attempt to suggest things is usually met with a "Well, you can suggest but chances are it won't come to anything'.. You want people to work within the mud, then listen to them. Otherwise.. you'll have a lot of people going back to CF or elsewhere. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 14:54:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA22322 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:54:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA22318 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:54:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13139 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:54:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA32220 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:53:57 -0400 Message-ID: <008901bdbb2a$7d0f09c0$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:52:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Jeeze I can't believe I'm reading this. In one e-mail you totally trashed the whole MUD, said all the immortals just don't give a shit, and that I'm a cheater. You want opinions of your web page, I'll give you one. Your web page is a poor attempt to try and invoke your wishes upon DarkMists. The things you make to trade eq and put bounties on peoples heads are totally out of character, and in a way you are controling things that happen within the realm of DarkMists in an outside fashion. You are manipulating the way people see things to your own POV, and promoting PKs outside of DarkMists itself. By the way, your frames don't work. You need to add a TARGET= whatever your right hand window is to your links. Second, we already went over the cheating thing. I'm at the point where I don't care what you say about me now, because the only opinion that matters is my own and what the other immortals think of me. Third, Legion is not a PK house, Legion members do not PK unless they are slaying a rebel. A rebel only becomes a rebel is they are a member of house Valor, or they raid Legion to take their item or attack Knights of Legion. Legion has a strict code and oath, and any member breaking it gets removed. Fourth, I see ideas get implemented all the time! I can't think of a single idea that's been posted to immortal that hasn't been spoken about unless it was totally stupid. Taking away lash? Why would you want to do that? Lash is used to keep your opponent from fleeing, it's trip for people that fly. YOU may want to see lash leave, but I can name 10 people right off the top of my head that would bitch if it was gone. There was a note posted about a haze that filled the realm. A warlock was summoning all the changelings and taking some of their blood. The result was the cloud of mist over Thera, and all the changelings changed. Normally that would make people want to figure out what was going on and experiment. I guess you just want everything handed to you. You seem to have a lot of dislike for Darkmists. There are many muds out there. I'm sure there is one out there you can call home. I love how people feel they have a right to bitch for something that is free. This is from Tim Whitaker, a player of Darkmists since Oct96, my first and only mud. What I just said doesn't reflect the other immortals. I think this mailing list started out really good, but now it's just going to hell, and the majority of the posts are either flames or about some stupid web page. Why can't we just enjoy a game? -----Original Message----- From: Xialinin Zo'xzin To: Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 3:18 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Guild >Obviously I was unaware of some opinions the Immortals of the Mists >hold. Let me explain some things. First, the reason the site is where >it is has to do with the fact that Fleur De Lis has given us unlimited >space and upload/download. They could care less what we do with it as >long as we don't take traffic away from them.. which I really doubt we >do. Furthermore, I have some things I would like to say OOC to the >Pantheon. I once considered working within your "system" but after I >realized that people like Xeonauz, people who get caught cheating over >and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really >bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. >and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the >Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer >only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the >lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically >removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the >fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say >about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall >further and further,.. so far in fact as to implement ANOTHER pure pking >House like Legion because things were gettings so boring people couldn't >stand it. The Houses are stagnating, you change the stats of items week >by week, and you implement changes in important skills without sending >notes. I loved it when I got on with my changeling and saw people >changing to look like me, but shouldn't we have been told about the >change. Don't act as if my efforts are an insult.. they will only be so >because you haven't been doing a lot with the Mists for quite some time. >There is little to no action in the Mud, and even where roleplaying >could be done well, it is done uncreatively and without flavor. Any >attempt to suggest things is usually met with a "Well, you can suggest >but chances are it won't come to anything'.. You want people to work >within the mud, then listen to them. Otherwise.. you'll have a lot of >people going back to CF or elsewhere. > > >Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 15:34:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA23722 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA23718 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:34:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14057 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:33:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from misanthropy (rhone.truserve.com [208.142.211.102]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA32107 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807292033.PAA32107@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: dvampire@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:33:59 -0500 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Digital Vampire Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild In-Reply-To: <19980729191633.22395.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu At 12:16 PM 7/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really >bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. >and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the >Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer >only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the >lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically >removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the >fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say >about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall Whenever I find myself visible or chat with a mortal about the way something works...or the way they think it should work, you always have a diffrence of opinions on how it should be. I myself think that the lash skill needs to have its likelyhood lowered a bit, but when you think about it, if you have 4 people around you trying to keep you on your arse, you are not going to be getting up anytime soon. Stuff that makes sense, sometimes sucks. I remember I had to listen to complaint after complaint when I had the amount of hit points gotten by prevent lessened by about half, but it didn't make sense to me to give a huge hp bonus to an aggressive house (mostly passive in the past). A lot of things we do done by trial and error. It doesn't matter how much you think about it, sometimes you cannot predict how, exactly, the mud will work when you change something. We do read things and suggestions...and we do talk about them. Just because the suggestor isn't included in this doesn't mean it doesn't go anywhere. We have to consider all aspects of change...and sometimes a change can piss you off...but USUALLY its been well thought out with many arguments and refinements before any mortal ever sees it. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 16:22:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA24347 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:22:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24343 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f225.hotmail.com [207.82.251.116]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14977 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:21:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 6401 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1998 21:20:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980729212044.6400.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.45.212.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:20:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.45.212.214] From: "Pete Warren" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:20:43 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Xialinin, You claim that we, the immortal staff, do not listen to the players. You claim that we do not care. You claim that we have repeatedly ignored all of your suggestions. Well, how do you know we ignore everything people say? How do you know that we never listen? You have absolutely no idea what we discuss away from mortal eyes. You do not see the things that we do, you can't understand the factors we have to take into account when proposing a change to a skill, or any addition to the mud. If we decide that a suggestion is not appropriate for DM for any reason, we drop it and move on to something else. Do you expect us to send a rejection letter to everyone who makes a suggestion and have it turned down? You are a player, and you think as a player. You do not, apparently, think as someone who MUST pay attention to every aspect of a suggestion. When someone makes a suggestion to us for implementation, or a quest, or what have you, we must consider the full effects of a change. Not only how it will affect the players directly involved with the change, but other factors, like whether or not a change will make another skill obsolete, or make a certain race/class combination too powerful, or will it never be used at all, or any number of things that you are not qualified to judge. In the personal, private email I sent you, to avoid YET another flame circus like the one you just began, I plainly, honestly and in a very civil fashion stated our opinions and suggestions for your page. Instead of a rational, constructive reply, you chose to make this issue public and immediately set to insulting us, and the mud you claim to enjoy and want to improve. To this, I concur with Xeonauz; if you do not like it here, and feel that your efforts are being ignored, then feel free to go somewhere else. The last thing we want is for you to feel persecuted when you do not have to. We have tried to be rational with you, and for our efforts, you publicly insult us. If you SERIOUSLY want to improve DM, then work with us, the people who have invested the last 2 years in developing the mud, instead of claiming you know better than we do without first even giving our points of view consideration. We have no objection to you or anyone having a web page about DM, nor do we object to anyone giving us suggestions or ideas for the mud. However, it is up to you to be mature enough to accept when we reject an idea or take exception to the way you do something without our approval. We read every suggestion we get in our notes and email, and those we consider appropriate for DM, we discuss and either agree or disagree on. If you wish to further discuss this, please send notes or email to any or all of us. Thank you. {OooooooooooooooooooooO} |Pete Warren | " The mark of a civilized society |rungekutta13@hotmail.com| is the difference between revering |pwarren@bpi-us.com | ones elders and eating them. " |ICQ#:16045337 | {OooooooooooooooooooooO} ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 17:00:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02360 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:00:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02284 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:00:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16927 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:00:12 -0500 (CDT) From: ManPrsnGuy@aol.com Received: from ManPrsnGuy@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8AZWa11436 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <899cfa26.35bf9b45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:59:32 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu OK first of all I, as well as just about everyone else I am sure, is getting sick of your crap Xialinin. If you hate dark mists so much, go back to CF and let us be rid of you, or at least stop being so insulting to everyone, I would like to see you try to do what the immortals do. Second I would like to defend lash, If you have ever fought Oksana or some other channeler you know that without lash you are dead because they just flee and come back to try and disintegrate even if you could kill them easily in a real fight. << Obviously I was unaware of some opinions the Immortals of the Mists hold. Let me explain some things. First, the reason the site is where it is has to do with the fact that Fleur De Lis has given us unlimited space and upload/download. They could care less what we do with it as long as we don't take traffic away from them.. which I really doubt we do. Furthermore, I have some things I would like to say OOC to the Pantheon. I once considered working within your "system" but after I realized that people like Xeonauz, people who get caught cheating over and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall further and further,.. so far in fact as to implement ANOTHER pure pking House like Legion because things were gettings so boring people couldn't stand it. The Houses are stagnating, you change the stats of items week by week, and you implement changes in important skills without sending notes. I loved it when I got on with my changeling and saw people changing to look like me, but shouldn't we have been told about the change. Don't act as if my efforts are an insult.. they will only be so because you haven't been doing a lot with the Mists for quite some time. There is little to no action in the Mud, and even where roleplaying could be done well, it is done uncreatively and without flavor. Any attempt to suggest things is usually met with a "Well, you can suggest but chances are it won't come to anything'.. You want people to work within the mud, then listen to them. Otherwise.. you'll have a lot of people going back to CF or elsewhere. Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers >> From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 17:59:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA11234 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11230 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:59:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19427 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:59:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Myqel@aol.com Received: from Myqel@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8NXMa26052 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3aaff11f.35bfa91d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:58:36 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In a message dated 98-07-29 18:40:17 EDT, you write: << This is from Tim Whitaker, a player of Darkmists since Oct96, my first and only mud. What I just said doesn't reflect the other immortals. I think this mailing list started out really good, but now it's just going to hell, and the majority of the posts are either flames or about some stupid web page. Why can't we just enjoy a game? >> Nicely said. *Cheers Tim* From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 21:23:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17106 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:23:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17102 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (jwa@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22365 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:23:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jwa@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id TAA24594; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Abraham Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <008901bdbb2a$7d0f09c0$060110ac@shelby.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well what you just said about legion is not strictly true Tim, i have seen legions killing non-rebels occassionally, and only for the sake of equiptment. On that point, one thing, that I, and all the mortals i have spoken to about it (which doesn't necessarily mean the majority) is the rotting equiptment, ie strange girdles, cloak of living shadows. About the guild, i could care less, i haven't gone to the page, and considering all the trash that has been thrown both ways, i dont think it really is worth getting into. I think he shouldn't be constantly promoting it over this list, and i also think this list also shouldn't be a place to slander his particular page, or himself. Other than that, i have little to say as of now. But know this, I think you need to make some changes, probably quite sweeping. Many people are trying out different muds, and several that i know are leaving darkmists for various muds because they find little fun in the mists because less and less seems to be happening. The general opinion that I hear (not necessarily true) is that the mists is falling apart. If that is the case mayhap something should be done about it. just my .02 Have fun out there Jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 23:21:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA19612 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19596 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f191.hotmail.com [207.82.251.80]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23935 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7528 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 04:20:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730042036.7527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.8.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:20:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.8.89] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Morals Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:20:34 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Greetings to you all!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jul 29 23:38:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA20375 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20371 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.hotmail.com [207.82.251.143]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24167 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:38:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 20564 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 04:37:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730043758.20563.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.8.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:37:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.8.89] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Morals2 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:37:57 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu *chuckle* It is my prayer that all is well with all of you and your families. I apologize about the first part of this, but oh well. I have a few things I would like to state, and your going to hear it whether you like it or not. I have been in this realm since the fall of 96. I have seen a lot of ups and downs, and take credit for none of it. However, what once was a game has become so much more. Due to creative building and strict supervision of the Immortal Staff, we have the privilege to play on a MUD that is not only recreational but personal as well. We build characters within the image of ourselves or the euphoric ego, in which we would like to become. The age of players on this MUD ranges from youth to grown adults with families. Yet we take the time to enjoy ourselves in this world of fantasy. I think a lot of times we get caught up in what is happening to us to not notice the others that are staring at the other side of the screen. Sometimes we get angry and take it out on people thinking that that is acceptable. However, the person on the other side of the screen is just as human as you or I, with the same feelings and emotions that we do while playing. Everytime you log on with a character you have the opportunity to touch someone in someway or help them a little further in their MUDing or in their real life. We are Human, all of us. We all feel, and exhibit feelings. Be careful that egos step not in the way of humanity. With thus being said, I am asking Xenith/Xalia, to retract that statement about Turlock. I have the honor of knowing the human behind Turlock and am proud to call him a friend. He worked long and hard on those spells, and deserved his title. The same that you deserved it if you do it. My friend I have watched your characters for the last couple years, and I know you. I know of your life and the difficulties that you face. I respect those difficulties nor would I bash you. But I ask you to take that anger and place it elsehwere, my friend. I love all of my darkmists companions even the Eternal whinner Iilzerack/Hashkar. Thus we should at least be civil and kind to one another. As for ancient and crusader...get over it *grin* Let us give solutions not problems. For what good is a problem with no solutions, but a burden to those that don't need it. Be good to each other and be loved in return God Bless Qahntak Quilirius, Poet Scribe of Thera ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 00:56:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA21775 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:56:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21761 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25848 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (2Cust53.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.35.42.53]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA15350 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003f01bdbb7e$dcb58940$352a2399@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventuerer's Guild: A Call for Feedback Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:56:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think Xialinin's bartering board is a good idea. (Although his occasional abusive rants are totally uncalled for, IMHO). It would be nice if it could be implemented in the realm. The auction channel is insufficient for a number of obvious reasons, I think. A better way to do it, and perhaps not to tough to implement, would be another NEWS/NOTES channel for bartering which anybody can post to. It would be an outlet for those holding nice items that they can't even use, but are too good to just sac or give away. Would take a bit of monitoring, to be sure it stays in char. Perhaps don't allow quoting of stats. You could think of it as a bulletin board in market square. And people who misuse could be easily identified and dealt with by the IMMS. - Malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 01:05:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22104 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:05:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22100 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:05:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA25985 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:05:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (2Cust53.tnt1.bos1.da.uu.net [153.35.42.53]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA18273 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004201bdbb7f$b1bc72c0$352a2399@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Bounty Board Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The bounty board on the other hand would be very tricky. If I had a bounty on me, what if I just got my friend to kill me, then split the reward? Or if I was really killed, what If I just denied that so-and-so got me? It's not like I'd be anxious to help. Seems like something like this would require a lot of IMM supervision to make it workable. -malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 02:15:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA23309 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA23305 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:15:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA26766 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dakota1.airmail.net from [206.66.4.73] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.250) with esmtp for sender: id ; Thu, 30 Jul 98 02:15:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: "Adam" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:16:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well... I guess I should say something since I'm one of the founders of our wonderful little world.....where to begin..where to begin. I've been watching this whole show for a while now about this web page and junk..and let it slide..I hate getting involved in this sort of junk. If you wanna post house powers..shrine locations..brand powers..fine...I've accepted as a part of LIFE that it is inevitable that that information will trade hands. Doesnt mean I like it..doesnt mean I want it done...but I'm not gonna fly to your house and beat your ass for it. So..shit happens. As for Xeonauz..I keep hearing this 'he cheated' speech over and over..I personally immorted him..I've personally immorted a whole shitload of our immortals....so if you dont agree with my choices for immortals...well...shit happens. As for you working with our system....wtf...I never even saw a note from you 'suggesting' things. We receive..god...40 suggestions a week...we go over EVERY one if its viable. We do NOT send rejection letters. For 90% of the suggestions..mortal involvment ends with their note. So..you have no idea what we've done..what we're doing..or what we're going to do. There have been countless code changes this summer while DM grows 'boring'..the problem is you see maybe one of the 10. Countless patches, bug fixxes, and the like have gone in. And on top of that..most changes are playtested for at least 2 weeks on a seperate codebase to determine their balance. When suggestions are made..they are considered..from a GLOBAL point..what mortals see..and the cold hard code sees are two different things and that must be accounted for. So..if you dont think our system works..or you just simply cant use it..well...shit happens. As for Legion....its not a Pure PKing house..I could go into the details and the balance and the ideals...but I really want to go to bed now so figure it our or ask a Legion member...shiitt... Oh..and as to the comment on how we refer to only ourselves as how the mud will go...thats fine..I reserve that right...on many many an occasion a change has been proposed and wanted..and I said no way..damn right that was my view being imposed..shit happens. Thrym, Myself, and Xyza started the thing..so we'll steer it..although I have to admit alot of the player suggestions are good and we like to implement anything that is beneficial to the mud. Oh..and on your bounty board..I dont like it either..I think its trying to control in-game matters from an out-of-game OOC slant. But..shit happens so life will continue. And this isnt a flame..its just when I've had enough crap up to a certain point I gotta respond..so everyone read this enjoy it..and I'll post again in another 3 months... Styx the ever watchful, ever vigiliant guy upstairs ---------- > From: Xialinin Zo'xzin > To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Guild > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 2:16 PM > > Obviously I was unaware of some opinions the Immortals of the Mists > hold. Let me explain some things. First, the reason the site is where > it is has to do with the fact that Fleur De Lis has given us unlimited > space and upload/download. They could care less what we do with it as > long as we don't take traffic away from them.. which I really doubt we > do. Furthermore, I have some things I would like to say OOC to the > Pantheon. I once considered working within your "system" but after I > realized that people like Xeonauz, people who get caught cheating over > and over again, can become Immortals, I chose not to bother. It really > bothers me when I make a suggestion and I get no feedback whatsoever.. > and I have made lots of suggestions. When it comes down to it, the > Immortals of DM don't listen to shit that the players say, and refer > only to themselves for how the Mud is going to be. For instance.. the > lash skill, lots of people hate it, it makes little sense and basically > removes the purpose of the fly spell with the small exception to the > fact that you don't need a boat. However, no matter what people say > about it, the Immortals leave it there. I have watched the Mists fall > further and further,.. so far in fact as to implement ANOTHER pure pking > House like Legion because things were gettings so boring people couldn't > stand it. The Houses are stagnating, you change the stats of items week > by week, and you implement changes in important skills without sending > notes. I loved it when I got on with my changeling and saw people > changing to look like me, but shouldn't we have been told about the > change. Don't act as if my efforts are an insult.. they will only be so > because you haven't been doing a lot with the Mists for quite some time. > There is little to no action in the Mud, and even where roleplaying > could be done well, it is done uncreatively and without flavor. Any > attempt to suggest things is usually met with a "Well, you can suggest > but chances are it won't come to anything'.. You want people to work > within the mud, then listen to them. Otherwise.. you'll have a lot of > people going back to CF or elsewhere. > > > Xialinin Zo'xzin, Guildmaster of Adventurers > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 03:30:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA23952 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23948 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:30:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f191.hotmail.com [207.82.251.80]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA27358 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 29803 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 08:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730083002.29802.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 138.87.8.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:30:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [138.87.8.4] From: "Mark Greer" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:30:02 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu welp xailinin or whatever your name is all I have to say is/.....Have fun in cf, we wont miss your bitching Love ya! Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 08:18:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA28351 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:18:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28347 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:18:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f68.hotmail.com [207.82.250.154]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA00283 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:18:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21757 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 13:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730131756.21756.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.242.228.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:17:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.242.228.7] From: "Adam Hubbard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Guild Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:17:56 CDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well I must say, well said Mark aka Qahntak. I as well must defend what was said about Turlock. I know from first hand experience that he earned his way to full mastery. He spent a heck of a lot of time at it. I think it is time this bulletin board returned to the way it looked like it used to be. Enough flaming, and griping, let's get some ideas going here. I think Scott aka Malignus is trying to let's see what everyone else has to say about the game itself and not the people in the game. Oh and Styx, thanks for sticking in your two cents, Nice to hear from another of the imp's on the goings on here. I hope things can become civil on here again, and that we can all enjoy the game. See you in Thera. Throm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 09:45:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00641 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00637 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02180 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tim ([172.16.1.6]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26017 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: <00ab01bdbbc8$92ae6d40$060110ac@shelby.net> From: "Tim Whitaker" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Web Pages Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:44:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'll go out on a limb here on the web page thing. I'm sitting here at work bored and I'm looking at the old DM page I made up so long ago and I'm thinking of adding some stuff to it. However, I'm very picky about web pages, personally I don't like backgrounds and fancy stuff, if a web page is made for information, then I like black and white text. What I'd like to know is how many people like nice backgrounds, animations, stuff like that. Also I would like to know how many people can support frames, Java, and DHTML I might make an entrance with different versions of the page for different people. What I want to make on the page is just a list of all the classes and races, all their abilities, vulnerabilities, etc. I've always liked to make my character creation based on certain factors, like exp costs, racial abilities, houses I could join, etc. I'll probably make some kind of Java app that will let you choose something like a drow anti-paladin, and see all the skills and spells you would have, the exp lag added to ranking, resistances and immunities etc. All these things help people make a good decision on their race/class choices. The better you understand the character you are playing, the better you can RP it. Also I'd like everyone to send me their opinion to my personal e-mail and not to the mailing list, I don't think it needs open discussion. Anyone with good ideas or help with info I don't have will get full credit for it on the front page. My personal addy is wirikidor@shelby.net My personal web page is www.shelby.net/wirikidor The DM page is www.shelby.net/wirikidor/darkmists From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 11:00:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02514 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:00:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02510 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:00:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03982 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hillpc (1Cust243.tnt3.bos1.da.uu.net [153.34.162.243]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24139 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdbbd3$44d44ee0$f3a22299@hillpc> From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Web Pages Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >people can support frames, Java, and DHTML I might make an >entrance with different versions of the page for different people. My 2cents ...rare is the frame that is more useful than annoying. DHTML is very browser dependant....too early for this to be useful technology. >I'll probably >make some kind of Java app that will let you choose something >like a drow anti-paladin, and see all the skills and spells you would >have, This is a cool idea...ya might want to do it in Perl or something, though because I don't think many of the Unix clients do java yet. Let me know if ya need a hand. -malignus From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 12:04:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04714 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04710 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:04:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f198.hotmail.com [207.82.251.87]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05540 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:04:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 18354 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 17:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730170404.18353.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.156.234.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:04:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.156.234.2] From: "Jonathan Fogel" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Morals2 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:04:03 EDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I thought I already made clear I meant no harm by it, but I'll do it again.. again I often use the wrong words and therefore get the wrong idea across.. apologizing for past, present, and future mistakes I meant no malice towards Turlock, and I misunderstood what he said, as such did others misunderstand me. I was simply curious, asking who he was talking about.. i thought he was saying that it never required skill, and i thought he was saying he did it that way too.. I am one like Turlock, I stay at the keyboard when i master spells/skills I apologize for getting the wrong idea across.. > ... > With thus being said, I am asking Xenith/Xalia, to retract that >statement about Turlock. I have the honor of knowing the human behind >Turlock and am proud to call him a friend. > He worked long and hard on those spells, and deserved his title. The >same that you deserved it if you do it. > My friend I have watched your characters for the last couple years, >and I know you. I know of your life and the difficulties that you face. ... Is this referring to me or Turlock? And because of some of the difficulties I have faced recently, my memory has worsened to a great degree.. I remember the Name Qahntak, but not much about you.. ... >I respect those difficulties nor would I bash you. > But I ask you to take that anger and place it elsehwere, my friend. ... > ... >Be good to each other and be loved in return >God Bless >Qahntak Quilirius, Poet Scribe of Thera > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 15:39:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11624 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11620 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:38:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f144.hotmail.com [207.82.251.23]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA11071 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 19310 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 20:38:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730203825.19309.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.134 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:38:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.134] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] The Adventuerer's Guild: A Call for Feedback Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:38:24 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >I think Xialinin's bartering board is a good idea. (Although his occasional >abusive rants are totally uncalled for, IMHO). It would be nice if it could >be implemented in the realm. I just want to state that I have already suggested this to the Immortals of the Mists, it was promptly rejected and I was told it was just a way for me to find out how to see where all the good eq was. The reasons I get pissed off as a player are the following: The few Immortals of the Mists who do listen have no power to invoke a change. Riallus being one of those that I thank for his time with me and listening to all my suggestions. I hate to see things decline the way they are, thats why I get so angry.. the Mists used to be so fun, but they've fallen so far now I just get sick of coming on. Things make less and less sense every day, and no Legion members do not get kicked out for killing Non Rebels.. I see them do it every day. Some of the Immortals at the Mists are just plain rude and pompous. I can not recount the number of times I have made a polite suggestion which was returned with a very blunt response which could be summarized in "You are stupid, go away".. I have done alot in the 2 years that I've played the Mists to help out, I've motivated change within Houses, reported cheaters, made suggestions.. over and over again I see the Mud destroyed by changes made without thought. For example: this most recent change with the races. As if Giants weren't powerful enough.. to give a giant cleric bash and enhanced damage.. They were a huge problem before when they had enhanced damage.. now they get it ten levels lower and with 100% bash to boot. They are an imbalanced raec with a vulnerability only two skill/spells effect.. I have to do a lot of wondering about how much thought went into that decision. I tried to become an Immortal once,... and I was told I couldn't because I got caught cheating. I feel kinda cheased about Xeonauz because of this incident.. just to sort of explain my ranting on that subject. Xialinin Zox'zin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 15:42:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11818 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:42:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11814 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:42:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f73.hotmail.com [207.82.250.159]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA11142 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:42:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7261 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 20:41:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730204133.7259.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.134 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:41:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.134] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] The Guild.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:41:33 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu As some of you have requested I will stop further scrolls from landing in this forum concerning the Guild.. I really do wish to help.. but I don't like being accused of promoting porn because some people offered me free webspace and I took it. To the Immortals of the Mists, I've decided you are probably right in a lot of ways, I should try to work within the system.. I have my doubts though at how open the system is to change. My hopes are that the Mists will come out of its ostensible downward spiral. Xialinin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jul 30 17:33:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16961 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16957 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13642 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Bond0078@aol.com Received: from Bond0078@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8LCJa11436 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <644e1ab.35c0f46a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:32:07 EDT To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Web Pages Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Amen, i think the animations and pretty backgrounds are just trying to make it look good From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Jul 31 01:03:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22481 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22477 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:03:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f1.hotmail.com [207.82.250.12]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA20315 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:03:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15192 invoked by uid 0); 31 Jul 1998 06:02:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980731060250.15191.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.211.82.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:02:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.211.82.140] From: "Xialinin Zo'xzin" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] A short list of ideas.. lets talk them out and see what happens. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:02:49 PDT Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In the spirit of honor and friendship, I'd like to eat a little crow here and appologize for being so pissy these past few postings. Heres a short list of my ideas.. lets talk them out and maybe we can all understand each other a little more. I think when it really comes down to it, the reason people fight is because they don't understand each other very well. Auction Board: This idea has been long in my mind.. and I have heard various responses to it. Bounty: I found some great code which inspired me into this idea. It basically added an attribute to your char which was your bounty(in gold) Upon your death the person that killed you would receive that bounty... at a certain place within the Mud(ie the bounty board) you could check the bounties of anyone playing.(like a who command which said your bounty as well). I think this would add some flavor to the mud. Legion/Valor: I thought it might be neat if Legion and Valor could conquer/retake towns.. like each town would have an item.. and which ever House had the item in its possession would own that town.. thus Enforcer could actually act of its own volition in towns which Valor held.. while in towns Legion held it would have to allow for Rebel slayings and the like... if Legion wants Thera.. it should have to fight for it I say. Also.. I wondered if anyone could explain why Legion has a skill/spell which hides them.. when they are supposed to be "ruling with an iron fist".. seems like they would want to be more stand and fightish than run and hidish. Mayors: What about Mayors of cities.. that would add a nice rp station and you could give the mayor the ability to call guards within his own town... since he sort of pays them... or maybe give him the ability to tax the mobs or players... if he over taxes.. the players could waste him... Thats all for now.. chew on these tidbits and tell me what ya think.. but please don't "flame"... I think everyone is tired of it.. me included. Xialinin Lash: I understand it makes a very good balance against the ultra powerful hero.. but at the same time, it makes it all too easy for people like Ancient to get a group up and waste anyone they choose. I understand that it may aid one in defeating a channeler who likes to flee/disintergrate.. but isn't this a problem with that class not with the very nature of power. Lash changes a lot of things when its used in the group pk.. it becomes more powerful than throw or bash or any other skill which is designed to be more powerful and thus less prevalent. Saves: I ask this question.. why were the saves so greatly changed. It has become almost impossible to save vs magic unless one has a huge -save vs spell, even to the point where one 5 levels lower has little trouble blinding, summoning, etc me. This is quite bothersome since the advantage to being higher level (or part of the advantage) was that it was harder to be blinded,etc. (along with the extra hps and mana). I understand that before a negative 40+ would basically make one immune, which I disagree with just the same.. but as it is now it makes the high exp race/class combinations better than their lower exp brothers as a result of the fact that they can both use their added skills/spells, but they all work on their lower exp pks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com