From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 4 12:49:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA13738 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:49:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13722 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:49:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA02427 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:49:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup162-4-57.swipnet.se (dialup162-4-57.swipnet.se [130.244.162.249]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id na036101 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:50:05 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:40:29 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Winkish Inc Subject: [DARKMISTS] Dead list? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu So.. Awfully quiet in here? Anyway, while I'm at it I might throw away a question (or a couple of them actually). 1. What does the "magical tend to benefit them" (or something like that) part of the human helpfile mean? Never figured this out. Humans are rather uncool anyway. =) 2. What powers do the houses gain? I know only of a few like the griffins who carry people away. Also, check out my unoffical DM homepage .. http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-14515/darkmists/ From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 4 13:42:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14591 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:42:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14587 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:42:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03720 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:42:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09475; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:42:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:41:59 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Johan Samuelson cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dead list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I was wondering if anyone had subscribed to this list. hmm the different houses get powers pertaining to what their members believe in. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 4 20:46:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18077 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:46:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18073 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:46:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from rtp1.intrex.net (rtp1.intrex.net [209.42.192.253]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13146 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:46:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from shauna-s-pc (unverified [209.42.198.69]) by rtp1.intrex.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:45:07 -0500 Message-ID: <34876A64.3C1C@intrex.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:43:48 -0500 From: "Shauna L. Hecker" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dead list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu There are a couple of us floating around here. :) I think the magic comment in the human helpfile is because they're a 'middle of the road' kind of race with regards to their attributes and therefore they are more affected by magical trinkets in general than other races. That's just my guess. Main reason I posted, though, is because I really liked your page. It's *very* good. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 08:34:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA25477 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25473 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23956 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10766 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:29 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu It might not even be wise to bring this up on a mailing list but I think it's safe to say that a fair amount of us at some time have or still use clients when in the realm, I have wondered sometimes what might be the most interesting use for one. I have also seen some interesting uses by others. Has anyone especially a warrior or someone like that made kick an automatic action you could make it almost like a second attack or if you have second attack then third what might some of you thikn of doing that. No I haven't done this. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 08:55:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA25636 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:55:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25632 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:55:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from bama.ua.edu (pazzu001@bama.ua.edu [130.160.4.114]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24274 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:55:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (pazzu001@localhost) by bama.ua.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28367 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:54:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:54:15 -0600 (CST) From: Dom To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well it is a possibility, but wouldn't it bog you down. Say you wanted to dirt kick, but you would have to wait the two rounds for the kick lag and then your autokick would go off again before you could type 'dir'. Just a thought to your question. Also Yeah I like you Web Page. ********************************************************************** Dom Pazzula * "If people were meant to be torn apart, * they'd come with perforations." * --_The Life and Death of Almost * Everybody * (David Compton) pazzu001@bama.ua.edu * * P.O. Box 867201 * Tuscaloosa Al 35486-0065 * "To each his own..." and to me (205)347-6295 * ...a nap! ********************************************************************** From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 09:45:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25935 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:45:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25926 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:45:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25223 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:45:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10859; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:45:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:45:18 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Dom cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hello well you could make a dirtkick an action too even if you type in the spell or action manually you have to wait so maybe this would be faster it would be nteresting to see anyway From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 09:47:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25966 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:47:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25962 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:47:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns.shelby.net (root@ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25261 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:47:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from tim (tim.shelby.net [207.201.214.17]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05614 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <348821FD.F6BF81E8@shelby.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:47:09 -0500 From: Tim Whitaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sure you could make a trigger to do this, but it'll get you killed. Imagine your client is doing kick after kick after kick, where is room for other commands? You don't have it! Sure you can squeeze one in before it does another kick, but before you realize, it might be to late, and you could be dead. Kevin Jones wrote: > > It might not even be wise to bring this up on a mailing list but I think > it's safe to say that a fair amount of us at some time have or still use > clients when in the realm, I have wondered sometimes what might be the > most interesting use for one. I have also seen some interesting uses by > others. Has anyone especially a warrior or someone like that made kick an > automatic action you could make it almost like a second attack or if you > have second attack then third what might some of you thikn of doing that. > No I haven't done this. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 09:52:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26003 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25999 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25376 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10882; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:38 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Tim Whitaker cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] question In-Reply-To: <348821FD.F6BF81E8@shelby.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu maybe you could make it every round or once every other round or something or have it do it only if your hp is above a certain limit I at first thought it might help you do more damage than normally From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 12:41:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27975 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:41:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27966 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:41:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.104.215]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29750 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:41:12 -0600 (CST) From: slindsey@students.wisc.edu Received: from [128.104.198.25] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id MAA82538 (8.8.6/50); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:41:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199712051841.MAA82538@mail5.doit.wisc.edu> X-Sender: slindsey@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:37:21 -0600 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Triggers and clients Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In my opinion, having triggers for offensive actions in general is a really bad idea. They'll end up getting you killed through spamming which lags you pretty bad during combat. I don't do a lot of fancy things with triggers myself. I've found that they're most useful for adding extra aliases (DM limits you to 5 I think), doing multiple command aliases (ie. drop bag;sleep bag), and changing colors (everyone in my PK lights up bright red to get my attention). I might as well mention that my favorite client for this type of stuff is zMUD (http://www.zuggsoft.com) which is available for Windows only (and OS/2 in Windows mode). I believe a few of the other immortals like to use the MUD Mage client (http://www.bizdir.com.sg/carrion/mudmage.html) available for Windows only. I've only briefly checked it out but all in all it's very similar to zMUD. I'm not familiar with any special MUD clients for the Mac but if anyone is feel free to share. Scott From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 13:27:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28597 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:27:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28593 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:27:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.81]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01105 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:27:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jwang@localhost) by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA18809 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:23:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wang To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think the autokick or auto-do anything in a fight is bad. Obviously you would want to automate something that's imple, repetitive, and harmless. Fighting does not fit in this. I aggree with Tim on this one, most of the attacks are simple and usually not more than a few letters and while the entire idea sounds really cool (imagine someone dirt kicking and then smoothly flying into a kick to the head...) it WILL without a doubt kill you in the long run. But if you LIKE dying, triggers are the way to go. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 14:37:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29153 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:37:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29149 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:37:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (F23.hotmail.com [207.82.250.34]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02774 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:37:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 7010 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1997 20:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971205203637.7009.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.81.50.153 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:36:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.81.50.153] From: "Shane Bard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] clients & triggers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:36:16 PST Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I gotta agree with everyone else, offensive triggers usually end up getting you killed. Like that kick one, you'd just kick kick kick kick, and since you're still putting commands in, wimpy won't work. If you do manage to squeeze a flee on before the next autokick, there's always the chance you'll panic, and if you do flee the autokick will go through anyway, but you'll just get the message "You're not fighting anyone" or something like that. Also, say you set a trigger to "bash larry" if the mud outputs "Larry has arrived." This can be a good thing, it pretty much ensures you'll attack him before he can leave the room. But lets say larry is kicking your ass, and you flee. If he comes to chase you down you'll bash him again, which you don't wanna be doing, you wanna be getting your sorry ass out of there so ya don't die. I myself use the Gmud client, but I don't use the triggers, I just like the fact it has scrollback and color, telnet sucks. Once I tried using a hide trigger, but it tends to be quite annoying in a fight, every time i step out of the shadows i try and 'hide', but if someone is bashing me 'or hitting those awful hammer hits with hand of vengance' the hide command goes through then another bash or hand knocks me down again. The only real practical use for them is to cast spells when they drop (like sanc etc) or for putting up warcry/berserk/detect hidden etc. In my opinion, the only time it's wise to use offensive triggers (like the bash larry one) is if you are packing a 70+ damroll and some high average weapons, or ya got like a 1500 hp arcana mage, in which case you're almost insured a win. My two cents. Shane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 14:42:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29237 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:42:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29233 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:42:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo16.mail.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:42:38 -0600 (CST) From: Myqel Message-ID: <3bf088be.3488644d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:17:15 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Dead list? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Shauna. You made a reference to a "Page". Could you tell me what page and where I can find it? Thanks...............................Michael A.K.A. Klendathu The Draco Thief Howren, The giant ranger. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 15:39:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29415 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29411 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04358 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11330; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:32 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Shane Bard cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] clients & triggers In-Reply-To: <19971205203637.7009.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree that offensive actions can be disasterous but what if your client can monitor variables and hsa things like if then conditions then you can actually make it do some intelligent things From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 5 16:16:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA29804 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29800 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:16:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA05652 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:16:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup165-1-36.swipnet.se (dialup165-1-36.swipnet.se [130.244.165.36]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ba038351 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:17:29 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 23:08:35 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Winkish Inc Subject: [DARKMISTS] Homepage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just to let you know (yeah, as if anyone cared =) - I've moved my DM page to http://home.onestop.net/darkmists/. Note that I'm not an graphicswizard nor a great webdesigner. I'm one of those who like to value the information part more (I will focus on the equipment statistics, need to just to hero a character with identify first *smirk*). Any help/suggestion/criticsm (sniff) concerning the page is welcome. - -Johan Samuelson (mantra@geocities.com) (home.onestop.net/darkmists) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 07:36:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA04635 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:36:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04631 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:36:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15745 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:36:50 -0600 (CST) From: FredJam Message-ID: <37f1879b.3488ea25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:01:07 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Races and Classes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hi all, I was wondering what everyone things are the best races and classes. Personally I think Changelings and Cleric rock. Fred From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 08:13:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04685 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:13:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04681 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns.shelby.net (root@ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA15938 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:12:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from tim (tim.shelby.net [207.201.214.17]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10715 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <34895D6D.BB616367@shelby.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 09:13:01 -0500 From: Tim Whitaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Races and Classes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <37f1879b.3488ea25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Draconian is the superior race in my opinion. I've been tempted to make a Draconian supremacist. Sure they're a little slow, but they have good str and int, and fly and immune to poison. Just avoid ice. FredJam wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was wondering what everyone things are the best races and classes. > Personally I think Changelings and Cleric rock. > > Fred From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 12:16:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05578 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:16:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05574 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:16:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net ([205.164.160.19] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18341 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:16:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14105; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:15:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:15:57 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: FredJam cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Races and Classes In-Reply-To: <37f1879b.3488ea25@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hello, seriously what's so great about a changling do the forms you can change in to really help? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 13:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05700 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:13:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05696 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:13:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from bama.ua.edu (pazzu001@bama.ua.edu [130.160.4.114]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19034 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:13:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (pazzu001@localhost) by bama.ua.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23976 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:11:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:11:46 -0600 (CST) From: Dom To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] zmud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I just got my copy of zmud, while I know how it works, I am still iffy iffy on its actual use. My question is about triggers. I am wanting to set them up to recast spell(ie sanc bless etc). How do I do this? Thanks Dom ********************************************************************** Dom Pazzula * "If people were meant to be torn apart, * they'd come with perforations." * --_The Life and Death of Almost * Everybody * (David Compton) pazzu001@bama.ua.edu * * P.O. Box 867201 * Tuscaloosa Al 35486-0065 * "To each his own..." and to me (205)347-6295 * ...a nap! ********************************************************************** From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 14:11:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05984 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:11:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05976 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:11:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19642 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:11:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14293; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:11:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:11:01 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Dom cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] zmud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu you have it loook for text like "you feel less righteous" and have it make sure that this text appears at the beginning of a line and then tell it to cast bless when it sees it From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 15:33:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06766 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:33:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06762 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:33:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.170]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20838 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:33:13 -0600 (CST) From: FredJam Message-ID: <51e909ba.3489c3d7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:29:57 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Races and Classes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu What's great about changelings..hmmm.. First off, they have very hgh dex which makes them hard to blackjack and makes them hit more and harder to hit. Then they have two amazing forms which they can switch between Wolf which gives them haste Bear which gives them resist Also theeir high int helps them learn everything in one practice so they get extra practices to pump into hps which they are a little lacking in They also have bat form for flight but that's not too big a deal They have no weaknesses Hmm..also there aren't that many changelings around so you can be a little unique Fred From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 6 17:24:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06934 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:24:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06930 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:24:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22158 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:24:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.74.233]) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IQV35A93MKDHU2EA@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:24:31 EST Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 18:22:52 -0500 From: Jim Wang Subject: [DARKMISTS] Vulnerabilities To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <3489DE4C.E34755ED@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <51e909ba.3489c3d7@aol.com> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I can understand how trolls are vulnerable to fire and stuff but why are elves vulnerable all these weapon types? Wood, iron, etc. Makes really no sense. Hopefully someone can clarify this? jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 9 17:05:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13042 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:05:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13038 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:05:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22865 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:05:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from THOMAS by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NALW; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <348DCF30.CBFC8787@logex.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:07:28 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Greetings... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hello Boy and Girls... I thought I'd say hello since I just joined this funky forum. I should be heading back onto the mud soon, since Ive been away for a time - or at least less visable, and should start throwing around some bodies shortly: so keep your heads up in the corners big boys... Basically I can see a few topics in the archives...elves, offensive triggers, races, class balance, etc....I think I will refrain from my imput on all of them until someone brings them up again - I usually try to stay away from beating a dead horse... Glad to be here...and glad it is available.. td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 18:54:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02860 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:54:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02856 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:54:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02842 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:53:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se (dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se [130.244.162.45]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id da047245 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:55:06 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0beta1 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: [DARKMISTS] Parrying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A thing just hit me - anyone know how the parry skills really works? "help parry" says: "The best chance of parrying occurs when the defender is skilled in both his and his opponent's weapon type." To what degree might this be effective? Is running around with a spear or a flail (which no one seems to be using) effective if you want your opponent to parry as little of your blows as possible? - -Johan (mantra@geocities.com) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 18:54:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02880 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:54:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02876 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:54:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02849 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:54:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se (dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se [130.244.162.45]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea047246 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:55:26 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0beta1 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: [DARKMISTS] Parrying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A thing just hit me - anyone know how the parry skills really works? "help parry" says: "The best chance of parrying occurs when the defender is skilled in both his and his opponent's weapon type." To what degree might this be effective? Is running around with a spear or a flail (which no one seems to be using) effective if you want your opponent to parry as little of your blows as possible? - -Johan (mantra@geocities.com) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 18:55:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02900 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02896 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02871 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se (dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se [130.244.162.45]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa047247 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:56:38 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0beta1 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: [DARKMISTS] Parrying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A thing just hit me - anyone know how the parry skills really works? "help parry" says: "The best chance of parrying occurs when the defender is skilled in both his and his opponent's weapon type." To what degree might this be effective? Is running around with a spear or a flail (which no one seems to be using) effective if you want your opponent to parry as little of your blows as possible? - -Johan (mantra@geocities.com) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 18:55:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02920 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02916 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02881 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:55:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se (dialup162-1-45.swipnet.se [130.244.162.45]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ga047248 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:56:46 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0beta1 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: [DARKMISTS] Parrying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu A thing just hit me - anyone know how the parry skills really works? "help parry" says: "The best chance of parrying occurs when the defender is skilled in both his and his opponent's weapon type." To what degree might this be effective? Is running around with a spear or a flail (which no one seems to be using) effective if you want your opponent to parry as little of your blows as possible? - -Johan (mantra@geocities.com) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 19:35:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03145 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:35:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03141 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:35:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03290 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:35:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (lisuser07.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IR6E23MKJMDLI6YE@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:35:16 EST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:34:29 -0500 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Parrying To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <34948925.824D3AF4@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu You can run around all you want with a spear and flail and unless they are kick ass weapons you're going to get yourself killed. Most of the people I know are already very skilled in all the weapons and perfected in dodge, parry, etc. Granted your chances of hitting will be a tiny bit better if you use a weapon they can't parry but if it doesn't have strength you're kinda screwed. I personally like a good staff and a decent whip (I'm a ranger, the staff comes free with the job) because I don't really care if people can parry my staff or whip because I can pugil or lash. Try not to worry too much on parrying that you change your weapons to flail and spear, unless you have a really really good spear. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 14 21:46:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03499 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:46:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03495 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:46:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04616 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:46:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from hansgref (host-209-138-7-134.bna.BELLSOUTH.net [209.138.7.134]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04132 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:46:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3494A6FF.BE@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:41:51 -0600 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Parrying References: <34948925.824D3AF4@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu While I've personally perfected all weapons and parry and dodge, I've noticed that yes you parry more often or dodge. And it's true someone has an average 35 weapon and you have an average 15 the guys with the little weapon won't last long no mater what % his skills are at. It's fun to have skills at 100%, but i would suggest unless you want a damage bonus for a certain weapon don't master them all. take a lot of a char's life time to do it and people will parry things if thier parry skill is at 100% no matter if they are skilled in the opponents weapon or not. Higher average weapons are the way to go, not weapons no one uses. I agree with Jim on this one. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Dec 15 08:11:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06997 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:11:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06993 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:11:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10698 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:11:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from THOMAS by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NBF6; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34953B1B.126A2D0E@logex.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:13:47 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Parrying References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ***Some of this might be inaccurate or incorrect, and if anyone knows more than myself, please point it out. Let me give my two cents worth. From what I know of parrying and the usage of skills/weapons is that there are a few factors which are involved. Now some of my knowledge might be a bit off -since I know little of the hard coding of this realm- but it should give a relatively accurate account of the detail involved with parrying/etc on DM. 1) Proficiency of weapon - the better % you have the better your mastery of the weapon for attacking and defending. 2) Proficiency of opponents weapon - The better you know your opponents weapon, the more likely you will be to parry it. 3) Weight of weapon (I assume this is implemented here) - the heavier your weapon the harder it is to parry - i.e. sword vs dagger will not only be better for defense but also offense. 4) Dexterity - you'll dodge a hell of a lot more when your dex is higher...hence if an ethereal fights a giant, the giant will have a more difficult time hitting the ethereal. * Keep in mind though, when a giant hits, he really hits - *notice* a warrior named "Harling" or a cleric named "Aboleth"... 5) Level of weapon - Not sure if this is included or used on DM, but a level 15 weapon used by a level 51 player will be used more proficiently than a level 60 weapon by a 35 level character. My personal advice...learn your main weapon fast...get dodge/parry/sheild block to 100% as fast as possible...then try and master every weapon you can, when you can - obviously learn what is used most often by other players, hence, helping your defensive prowess...offense prowess comes later with the gain of high levels...dont waste your time learning until it is appropriate. td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 16 07:07:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA19652 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:07:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19648 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:07:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA03950 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:07:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from SEKTEN3 (SEKTEN3 [148.136.113.173]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id pa047985 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:08:27 +0100 Message-ID: <34967C46.7BBAA5CB@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:04:06 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] An excuse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sorry for my multiple postings to the list earlier on (was trying a new, crappy (I suppose :-) mailer). Anyway, thanks for all your information on the subject (parry/dodge). - -Johan Samuelson (mantra@geocities.com) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 09:49:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19640 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19636 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27961 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NB73; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3497F505.C2CB4F5B@logex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:51:33 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] Thieves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I was thinking that thieves could use some sort of combat attack...as it is they only have dirt/trip/lash/disarm/etc. to work with durring a fight once their options of backtab and blackjack are used up...I think they should get something else. Since other 'fighters' have things to work with like pugil/lunge/throw it would be cool to see something like "thrust" & if it conected it would be a larger than normal hit...what you all think? td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 09:58:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19905 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:58:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19901 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:58:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28251 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:58:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05525; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:58:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:58:36 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: "Thomas M. Davis" cc: Darkmists Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: <3497F505.C2CB4F5B@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I think that would be a cool feature i.e. thrust for thieves. I have never played one partially for that reason i.e. they seem kind of wimpy as fighters From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 10:27:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA20596 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:27:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20592 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:27:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.eznet.net (mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28922 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:27:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from eznet.net (shell1.eznet.net [207.50.128.10]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03805 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:27:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (dasbitch@localhost) by eznet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09522 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:27:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Tracey Koster To: Darkmists Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Don't thieves have circle-stab? i have never played one, so i dont know... -Tracey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 10:32:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA20636 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:32:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20632 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:32:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29030 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:32:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NB8S; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3497FF0F.336F160F@logex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:34:23 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu They do have circle. But you can only circle stab when you are not tanking..hence being in a group pets/players, or fighting cheeply *grin* so in a 1 on 1 fight, circle is useless.... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 10:42:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA20743 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20739 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29685 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05616; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:32 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Tracey Koster cc: Darkmists Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I thikn thieves do have circlestab I'm sure of it From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 10:48:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA20815 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:48:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20811 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:48:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.eznet.net (mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29829 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:48:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from eznet.net (shell1.eznet.net [207.50.128.10]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06360 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:48:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (dasbitch@localhost) by eznet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09899 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:48:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tracey Koster To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: <3497FF0F.336F160F@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ahh..thanks for clarifying. now..i have a question..i do so want to organize maybe a little get together of all the area mudders..maybe go out for coffee, or to a club... Does anyone here live in the Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse area? love, Tracey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:08:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21059 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:08:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21055 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:08:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00375 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:08:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (persian.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.210]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23161 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:07:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34982052.70D762CA@rrnet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:56:19 -0800 From: kasper Organization: kasper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tracey Koster wrote: > ahh..thanks for clarifying. > > now..i have a question..i do so want to organize maybe a little get > together of all the area mudders..maybe go out for coffee, or to a club... > Does anyone here live in the Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse area? > > love, > Tracey I wish Jeff From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:16:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21263 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:16:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21259 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00561 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:16:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NB9N; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <34980966.43E01C57@logex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:18:30 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: <34982052.70D762CA@rrnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Cant help ya on the list, Tracy, I live in Wash DC... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:33:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21521 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:33:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21517 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:33:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.eznet.net (mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00889 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:33:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from eznet.net (shell1.eznet.net [207.50.128.10]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11367 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:33:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (dasbitch@localhost) by eznet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11161 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:33:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:33:17 -0500 (EST) From: Tracey Koster To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: <34980966.43E01C57@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu aww thats too bad :P actually i may be going to DC next year to visit. i'll be in toronto tho, over new years, if anyone lives there and wants to hang out. i am curious to meet people who mud on darkmists... i think it would be interesting, and a chance to freak some people out *GRIN* hey its not everyday you meet girls in rubber skirts, eh? Tracey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:35:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21577 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21573 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00964 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (persian.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.210]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25285 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <349826D7.5BC68612@rrnet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:24:07 -0800 From: kasper Organization: kasper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tracey Koster wrote: > aww thats too bad :P > actually i may be going to DC next year to visit. > i'll be in toronto tho, over new years, if anyone lives there and wants to > hang out. > i am curious to meet people who mud on darkmists... > i think it would be interesting, and a chance to freak some people out > *GRIN* > hey its not everyday you meet girls in rubber skirts, eh? > > Tracey I'll bite, rubber skirts? do tell... Jeff From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:39:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21606 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:39:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21602 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:39:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.eznet.net (mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01035 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:39:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from eznet.net (shell1.eznet.net [207.50.128.10]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12163 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:39:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (dasbitch@localhost) by eznet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11433 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:39:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: Tracey Koster To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: <349826D7.5BC68612@rrnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu heehee jah i got a little rubber miniskirt. it rocks my tacos. so yeah, you could say i'm not the *average* computer geekette ;> its STREEEEEeeeeeeeeeeEEEETCHY hehe my friends snap it to get my attention at the clubs :P and it looks rockin with the Collar O' Doom (tm) and the Boots of Eternal Peril (tm) -Tracey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:40:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21639 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21635 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01082 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05795; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:42 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: "Thomas M. Davis" cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: <34980966.43E01C57@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hello I've always wondered what's the point in playing an assassin over a thief they lose some abilities is wha tyou gain as an assassin worth it? I have thought it would be cool to know where people on the mud really live but of course there is no way and many wont tell you or they would think it a desicration to the roll playing atmos phere. I'm in Madison WI From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 11:42:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21693 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21689 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01126 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05804; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:49 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Tracey Koster cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Here's an interesting question I've always thought this would be fun to do have any of you living in the same area called up your friends like in 3 way and then group at the same time on the mud and just talk to each other? or if you had internte phone you might be agle to do it too. I often miss text when in combat or moving fast so talking would save a lot of trouble From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 12:13:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA22351 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:13:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22347 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:13:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01909 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:13:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-214-160.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.214.160]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id KAA08709 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:13:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <349816D8.FC89B03@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:15:52 -0800 From: Steve Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: <3497F505.C2CB4F5B@logex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok.. Thieves do have circle and it is a shame that that can only be used during a group attack when they are not attacking, but they do have the ability to bj and backstab which no other class has, thus giving the thief the element of surprise in a fight. I think that this is the "nature" of a thief.. that is to say that they are supposed to take advantage of being clandestine in their ways coming out of the shadows and surprising their victims. That gives them their advantage. If they were to have a skill like "thrust" I would hope it would not be too strong. On the other hand I personally think the Ranger class needs another attack skill, all they have are the abilities to pugil and lash beyond ambushing. So all they can do in a fight are one of those options. That makes them vulnerable by not having a powerful enough offense. My take is that either pugils strength should be increased or that another skill be added to their arsenal. And rubber whoa.. Thomas M. Davis wrote: > I was thinking that thieves could use some sort of combat attack...as it > is they only have dirt/trip/lash/disarm/etc. to work with durring a > fight once their options of backtab and blackjack are used up...I think > they should get something else. Since other 'fighters' have things to > work with like pugil/lunge/throw it would be cool to see something like > "thrust" & if it conected it would be a larger than normal hit...what > you all think? > > td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 12:25:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA22517 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:25:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22513 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:25:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02156 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:25:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from hansgref (host-209-138-7-77.bna.BELLSOUTH.net [209.138.7.77]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20976 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:25:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:21:01 -0600 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well if we are playing the same DarkMists, we have no assassins. Although we do have monks with a poorly named skill called assassinate. Any who, what makes monks better and or worse? Well I've always liked the fact that you can get 4th attack and palm which is close to the affect the crusaders get. Thieves are, well to me anyways, an insta kill class. Monks on the other hand have to think a bit before attacking. *shrug* I don't think you lose too much choosing Monks they can be a challenge, and hand block in my opinion is better than parry. -Chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 13:19:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23297 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:19:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23293 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:19:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03426 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:19:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05981; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:19:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:19:16 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: Chris Heredia cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks In-Reply-To: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hmm I think I'm confusing muds oh well I don't play any other muds but I have a friend who tries to get me to From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 13:35:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23752 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:35:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23748 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:35:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03961 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:35:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NCA4; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: <34982A02.88F0C847@logex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:37:38 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks References: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ill tell what sucks about monks. Two things. First off, assassinate is stupid...what the hell is the point of it, shouldnt it just be called "wanna be backstab"? It doesnt work, or at least I've never heard of anyone being assassinated..mobs sure, but BFD. I used to Assassinate people all the time on CF (I know that makes some people cringe for bringing that place up)...maybe it was a bit too powerful there with a 2/10 ratio of kills, but at least it worked and made "assassins" scary to even be in the same town with, when you had the feeling that they could walk up and kill you in one hit...ick!!! Second point is...why the hell cant monks disarm. Now that is stupid. Okay, they dont hold weapons (for the most part) So what. If they truly are monks, shouldnt they be skilled/smart enough to pull off an "arm-lock" on some dumb warrior and make him drop his weapon? Or myabe even break an arm...(though that is highly doubtful in this world). But monks should have the ability to disarm their... Thief vs Monk...I think they are two completely different classes and I'd play them completely differently. To be a good thief, it takes one hell of alot of skill not to get yourself killed. Monks are tough, but in other respects, cause you add spells, which can make people over-do their strategies...but throw is the best in-fight attack for any warrior class in the game, I think. On the point of steve's note.. Though tame is one of the best skills in the game, I dont think Rangers are very good. They are just caught between too many classes. I think rangers should be thrown out and redone...they are terribly put together...I have many ideas on that front so if anyone wants to step into that debate I am all for it. I was psyched to come play DM after giving up on CF and rangers, and hearing a similar mud began, I quickly checked out rangers. But alas, DM basically took CF's ranger and implemented it into DM which was too bad. Sine I played my first ranger way back on CF when arkham wasnt even born, they were much different- too powerful in some respects, but different.but they were alot more fun. sorry bout that length, but I love debates :) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 14:12:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24170 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:12:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24166 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:12:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailsys.senate.gov (mail.senate.gov [198.78.181.132]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04749 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:12:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailexch.senate.gov by mailsys.senate.gov; (8.8.5/SCO5) id PAA23951; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by mailexch.senate.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0035DD9E; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:08:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: <0035DD9E.1946@landrieu.senate.gov> From: Blair_Bright@landrieu.senate.gov (Blair Bright) Subject: Re[2]: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I definitely agree that rangers should be redone. Give them all the detects back, and make a ranger a bit more powerful. Tame is fine, but it gets boring when you just go out looking for eq. When DM first started you could dual wield ranger staffs as a giant. Now that was a lot of fun. Being an Outlaw ranger with your badge and the two staffs was a deadly combination. I think that it would also help rangers if their pets were turned up a little bit. The pets seem a bit weak. I also agree that assassinate needs to be adjusted to kill people, and it should be able to kill people of your level. A hero has nothing to fear from a monk as it is now. Sorry if all this sounds too power hungry, but I really like an atmosphere where people will come out and fight. It's not too much fun when people gather the stuff that they want, and you never see them again. I'm all for anything that will help keep people out of their guilds and houses and out in the world living. I think that tougher rangers and a real assassination threat would help to encourage a little blood shed. Perhaps the Immortals could also arrange some sort of Battle Night of Thera where all the heros come to Midgaard and fight until the last man or woman is standing. You could put out advance notices with the ultimatum that abscence will result in the purge of equipment. I think that would be a very interesting event. Of course exceptions would be made for good, and legitimate excuses since we all do have real commitments also. Just my two cents -Kill em all From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 14:21:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24427 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:21:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24423 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:21:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04971 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:21:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from hansgref (host-209-138-7-77.bna.BELLSOUTH.net [209.138.7.77]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10278 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34983331.69B0@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:16:49 -0600 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks References: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> <34982A02.88F0C847@logex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well to debate this Monks thing first, notice I said monks not assassins. This skill they have isn't properly named and in my opinion shouldn't be in their list of skills to begin with, and I agree that they should be able to disarm the weapons of an opponent. Monks and Assassins from CF are very different and were put in for RP purposes not having a 2 in 10 chance of killing someone one hit. As for throw *chuckle* yes its a good attack but as 3 monks, whom I won't mention, found out it's not a way to go into a battle. Murder throw throw throw. It doesn't work. As for rangers...yes they do need some work, and only the future will say what's in store for them. -Chris- From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 15:30:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25639 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:30:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25635 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:30:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06526 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:30:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id YKB4NCCA; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <349844F1.48015C60@logex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:32:33 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks References: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> <34982A02.88F0C847@logex.com> <34983331.69B0@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The throw trick is not a gauruntee, I ll admit that. But it does work more often than not, as does a double bash or even double lashing...trip eludes my brain, I've never understood what it does :)I've seen some people die horrible deaths to the double attack....keeping in mind, if it is done correctly... Probably true, assassinate probably should be taken out for roleplaying sense, since monks are lawful - why would they care to assassiante someone... ON anoher note, the coolest class Ive ever seen was on a mud that was up for about 3 weeks...based much like darkmists. They had a class which was a combo between monks and ranger called hunters...really cool class with gate/acid blast/hide/camo/animal call for 1 pet...coolest class ive seen yet... oh - what's up with nightwalkers? Are they wasting space or is there actually anything worthwhile about them. Never played or used one, just curious... td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 16:57:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA27076 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:57:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27072 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:57:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.169]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08534 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:57:52 -0600 (CST) From: Mindbnder5 Message-ID: <526a9da1.3498564c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:46:33 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] Nightwalkers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu As to the affect of nightwalker's, I have seen some amazing nightwalkers in my time. Myles comes to mind... Anyway, nightwalkers have some great skills and spells. Ice Pox, Nightwalk, Dark Wrath, Evil Eye, Lifebane, DemonFire... the list goes on. They are a great class for a well rounded evil person who doesn't want to play an AP or a thief. They are more or less a cross of the two... Nightfall also add's the aspect of Charmies... C.Child From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 17:08:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27177 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:08:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27173 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:08:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08809 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:08:13 -0600 (CST) From: Mindbnder5 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:56:12 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] AOL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hmm, anyone else on AOL? Its kind of annoying me that I am unable to create new characters now, because the Imp's have decided to ban AOL users from creating new characters because of a few bad eggs. C.Child From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 22:08:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29873 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:08:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29869 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:08:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo07.mx.aol.com (imo07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.87]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13293 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:08:49 -0600 (CST) From: FredJam Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:02:53 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Regarding rangers needing a bit more to do in a fight, Hmm, Rangers have two hasted hard hitting lions. I think that's enough of an extra attack:) Dirt, lash and disarm are also great skills (shield cleave too)don't underestimate them Rangers also have camo which is an incredible skill Just my .02$ Fred From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 23:46:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA00606 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:46:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00602 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:46:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14727 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:46:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-64-158.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.64.158]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id VAA24840 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:46:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3498B7F4.4FCB1808@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:43:16 -0800 From: stephen davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Yeah Rangers can have 2 hasted lions, but any other class can have hard hitting pets some one other two or three. The lions or other animal depending on level are not a huge advantage. Just a nice extra. Lash is not that great. Camo is great, but it is not an end all be all skill. And for my 2 cents you can have shield cleave. Mots times when you are fighting, your rp opponents are dual wielding, and most mobs don't have shields, unless your killing guards. More power to rangers. Steve FredJam wrote: > Regarding rangers needing a bit more to do in a fight, > > Hmm, Rangers have two hasted hard hitting lions. I think that's enough of an > extra attack:) > Dirt, lash and disarm are also great skills (shield cleave too)don't > underestimate them > > Rangers also have camo which is an incredible skill > > Just my .02$ > > Fred From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 17 23:51:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA00654 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:51:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00650 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:50:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.174]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14786 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:50:57 -0600 (CST) From: Myqel Message-ID: <55d9d92a.3498b814@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:43:46 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] AOL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hello. I am on AOL. And if I was not newlocked, I can make new characters. Unless, there is something I do not know. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 08:46:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04064 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04060 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:46:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns.shelby.net (root@ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20340 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:46:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from tim (tim.shelby.net [207.201.214.17]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01068 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <34993755.2F033B92@shelby.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:46:45 -0500 From: Tim Whitaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves vs Monks X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3498180D.1172@bellsouth.net> <34982A02.88F0C847@logex.com> <34983331.69B0@bellsouth.net> <349844F1.48015C60@logex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I do think thieves need more skills to work with (and make BJ hit less often). I don't think Rangers need to be changed. Some really strong rangers come to mind. Anyone remember Gohan? Ranger Ancient, he kicked ass, but he's dead and gone, so lets look a current rangers, like Meldrad. He seems to know what he's doing. I don't know if any of you saying they need to be changed has fought a ranger or two on a regular basis, when controled by a person who knows what they are doing. I don't think the rangers are complaining (unless they are powerhungry). Monks: I made a monk and joined enforcer. With -250 ac and a dam of 30, I've found I don't really need anything else (the ac comes from 23 dex and spells, I don't have a lot of fancy eq on this guy). I think the only reason assassinate was needed is because if your a monk and you strangle someone, fae fire, blind dust, poison dust, and nerve, how are you going to start the attack other than MURDER? Can't dirt, he's asleep, and blind anyway. So assassinate grabs the victom and presses the critical points to open an attack. I don't think it needs to do anything more because monks are already really strong. Whoever asked about Nightwalkers, make one, you'll like it. Three attacks, dodge, parry, dirt, disarm, shield cleave, hide, sneak, invis, detect invis, armor, darkshield, darkwrath, demon fire, nightwalk, evil eye, shadowstrike (my favorite spell), and more stuff. Evil monks with more spell and no palm or throw. I'm probably leaving something out but I can't remember now. Oh, how did we get on the rubber miniskirt and rocking tacos subject? *snicker* --tim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 12:28:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07180 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:28:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07176 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:28:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (F11.hotmail.com [207.82.250.22]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA25468 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:28:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15795 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1997 18:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971218182807.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.164.97.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.164.97.7] From: "Shane Bard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] the last 26 emails Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:06 PST Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well i just caught up on 26 new emails, from thieves to monks to rangers to nightwalkers to rubber skirts. *snicker* Anyway, I gonna start with thieves. Thieves are damn fine as they are, lash is the only skill they need after a good backstab. Look at Slade, (retired now but anyhoo) he was possibly the best thief darkmists ever saw, well for killing and stuff, not for roleplay *wink*. If he got off a backstab the fight was pretty much finished then and there, if they survived the bs I'd already have a lash alias made then chase em and lash em, always worked. So I say again, thieves need no more new combat skills (unless you decide to give em bash, grin) As for monks, well I've only played one monk (got him to lvl 27) and that was ages ago.. so I really can't say much about em. Throw does kick ass, and even though assassinate never kills, there is no lag on it and it does big damage (i've had assassinate demolish me thru sanc) so after the monk assassinates they can immediately throw the poor guy. Sorta like cleave used to be, I had so much fun summoning, cleaving then immediately bashing ;) Usually guareenteed a death. Rangers, hmm.. I had a ranger once, human outlaw.. I must say that with a badge, rangerstaff, and awrathre's haste brand he kicked ass, (and this was before pugil and lash were even implemented) however they are decent if you know how to play them. Some dumbasses will stand there and let you rescue with lions (and have assist off) then camo and do another moving ambush on them (but these people are usually stupid newbies). If your opponent has a clue, just ambush em and lash with the hasted pets, usually works. And what I love about ambush is you can always use it, whereas backstab the target has to be 90% hps or above. (but backstab can usually take a person from 100% to -10% or so ;)) Nightwalkers.. well, I never did care for them. The hitpoints are average (marginally better than a thief) but they pretty much suck due to the fact their big damage comes from spells, and if you opt to lash (therefore making it harder for the opponent to flee) you cant be casting your darkwrath or demonfire spells, which sorta makes them like a thief that doesn't backstab. Shadowstrike is a nice bonus though, prevents the target from making some commands, although it's not as good as the almighty power word stun, it can wreck hell on the opponent. Now shield cleave, there is an underestimated skill. It is one of the better skills out there in my opinion, mainly because of all the damn human pk clerics that hang out on rank 33-35 and kill all the people lower ranked than them. If you shield cleave a cleric, then all they have is parry.. and you can really hurt them then. Same with Paladins as I have noticed most opt for shieldblock rather than dual wield. Look at Soliman for example, if anyone has fought him you will notice that it's the shield block that saves his ass... damn i wish thieves had shieldcleave now ;) And last but not least, the rubber skirt issue. Ya got a pic? Oh, for anyone that's wondering.. I live in NB, Canada. Shane P.S. Antipals are -the- shit, and it doesn't take too long to learn how to play em. My two cents. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 12:54:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07547 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:54:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07543 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:54:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26108 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:54:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (angora.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.208]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26985 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:54:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34998ACE.AF52092F@rrnet.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:42:55 -0800 From: kasper Organization: kasper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] clients References: <19971218182807.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu anyone know how to increase scroll back buffers? From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 13:01:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA07614 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07606 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:01:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26318 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:01:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from hansgref (host-209-138-6-184.bna.BELLSOUTH.net [209.138.6.184]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21855 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:01:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349971FC.4416@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:57:00 -0600 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] clients References: <19971218182807.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> <34998ACE.AF52092F@rrnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu kasper wrote: > > anyone know how to increase scroll back buffers? scroll zero From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 13:09:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA07824 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:09:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07820 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:09:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26520 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:09:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id Z1R7M0D4; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3499754C.6CDB6123@logex.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:11:08 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] the last 26 emails References: <19971218182807.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu First off, dont even get me started on Slade...I only regret he 'retired'. BTW, ever try a backstab on a fully eq'd lev 51 arcana? Trust me, lash isnt going to do much in keeping him around or you even in the fight. And as Shane pointed out, a-p's are pretty damn tough at 51, so try a Backstab on, lets say a "shylok", basically gives them a bruise and your out of luck when he bashes and dirts you - he didnt even rescue much...basically your already dead, or running for your life... But if you never had to fight an arcana, then I would have to say that thieves need nothing else, considering you can 1-hit anyone on DM with a little thinking and planning. Shane, you trying to say thieves have week hp's? I know a thief out there that had over 1350 hp's walking around...more than alot of warriors I know of. What type of client you using, Kasper? Zmud? td I still dont think rangers are any good, but that isnt a bad set up with them brands/collars and staff, Shane :) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 14:03:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08252 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:03:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08248 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:03:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27801 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:03:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01900 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:03:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:03:15 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] clients In-Reply-To: <34998ACE.AF52092F@rrnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu the thing I'd like to do witha client is since I can't see to read the screen I use voice synthesis to read the screens to me and I'm always missing important text like "so and so stepped out and" though I admit actions in clients have helped a lot but what I'd like is a way to have it save specific text to a file so you can look at it I mud from a unix shell and I have tintin so I tried to write some c code that would take what was on the command line and copy it to a file but I couldn't get tintin to call a program and feed it commandline arguments and yes I now about tintin's system command works real cool, lets me check my email from inside the mud. Kevin From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 15:50:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08834 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08830 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00021 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from [146.151.48.14] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id PAA44572 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199712182150.PAA44572@mail1.doit.wisc.edu> X-Sender: dfbaumer@students.wisc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Dale Baumer Subject: [DARKMISTS] Rangers underestimated. Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok, here's my view on the nature class: you can't kill what you can't hit. Rangers have all the nice defensive skills:dodge, parry, etc. Plus they have an incredible armor skill called barkskin. I've had a -380 AC with about 2 to 3 limited pieces. Now imagine this ranger with a darkshield and a shroud of protection...get some nice eq cause he's old ancient now and he's pushing -500 AC. His hit and dam probably aren't that great...but that's what the lions are for. What would be nice are for staves to affect your charmies, or for some new skill/spell that would be more roleplaying based...something useless like control weather. DB From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 16:28:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA09084 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:28:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09080 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:28:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00770 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:28:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02184 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:28:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:28:00 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] tinyfugue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hello has any one used both tintin and tinyfugue for mud clients what's the difference between besides that fact that neither of them are fugues. i.e. tinyfugue is a joke on a fugue in G minor by J. S. Bach known as "the little fugue" Kevin From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 18 18:10:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09912 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:10:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09908 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:10:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from bama.ua.edu (pazzu001@bama.ua.edu [130.160.4.114]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02656 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (pazzu001@localhost) by bama.ua.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28821 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:08:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:08:10 -0600 (CST) From: Dom To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Greetings... In-Reply-To: <348DCF30.CBFC8787@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well Ihave been away from a computer for two days and see what I get, butt loads of mail:). I have to agree Rangers are fine as are monks. All can be played well if you know how. My topic for talk: House Life What are your thoughts on the changes made since the Purge? Personally I think they have swung from one side of the chasm to the other. I have heard speculation ooc from old lifers(in and no longer in the house) as to Adorno's reasoning, but nothing concreate. Just wondering. Dom ps I am from NC but go to school in Al pps Something scares me about the whole leather thing. ********************************************************************** Dom Pazzula * "If people were meant to be torn apart, * they'd come with perforations." * --_The Life and Death of Almost * Everybody * (David Compton) pazzu001@bama.ua.edu * * P.O. Box 867201 * Tuscaloosa Al 35486-0065 * "To each his own..." and to me (205)347-6295 * ...a nap! ********************************************************************** From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 10:38:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17429 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:38:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17425 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:38:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14720 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:38:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id Z1R7M0KV; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <349AA3A2.6FC565C8@logex.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:41:06 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] brands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Will someone give a rundown on what brands do what... - Keeper of Strife - Hobbes From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 12:29:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA19325 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:29:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19321 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:29:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (F3.hotmail.com [207.82.250.14]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA17549 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:29:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 25169 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 1997 18:28:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19971219182829.25168.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.184.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:28:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.179.184.48] From: "Shane Bard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] backstab vs channel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:28:28 PST Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tom, well yeah i was hinting that thieves have below average hps, but it doesn't matter a whole lot since A: thieves are the hardest to hit of all classes, and B: Once they pull off a stab the opponent doesn't stick around long enough to inflict any serious damage and C: they can steal gold and most thieves have huge bank accounts for them heals and stuff. And as for fighting arcanas, Yes my slade has killed archmages with a single bs (idiots like vladamir, maximillian, elmister, and a couple others that i caught without a sanc). But I myself have a hero archmage and I'm able to take crusader thief backstabs and still have over a thousand hps left, so i usually end up rockin em. I guess it's just a question of how good the people controling the archmage and the thief are, it can go either way. And someone wanted to know about the brands.. well.. I know what most of em do but I dunno if all the immorts want me to broadcast em here, since the powers are irrelevent, you should get a brand depending on how you roleplay and whether your char conforms to the ideals of the god or not. my two cents. Shane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 14:31:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21142 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:31:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21138 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:31:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20358 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:31:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118LR1; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: <349ADA29.33EA406E@logex.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:33:45 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] backstab vs channel References: <19971219182829.25168.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I'll totally agree with Shane on that point about those archmages, cause there are some serious ding-dongs over there...but they have alot of hp's which keeps them alive more than they should be.. Though, I am still disappointed you ended slade, we never did get to finish up our little on-going squabble, and after that 1150 hp bs you pulled off...I regret never getting to return the favor...*snap* Anyways...keep in mind that hanging out in your guilds isnt all that fun, the action is in the streets... Keeper of Strife - From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 14:58:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21221 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:58:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21217 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:58:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21232 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:58:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kevinj@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03823; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:56:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:56:24 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Jones To: "Thomas M. Davis" cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] backstab vs channel In-Reply-To: <349ADA29.33EA406E@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu hey we arch mages need those hp's we still feel at a disadvantage when fighting crusaders seriously what do some of you think about them when they fight Arcana it seems sometiems that htey do have an advantage Tim would be a good judge of that. there was some discussion in Arcana in the late summer one afternoon about maybe the preserver should be a little more informed or maybe have a few more minor skills than it does but arch mages do have some impressive powers but then so do all the houses that I've heard about anyway. Have any of you played a nekromancer I'm surprised that class hasn't been debated in our over-all debat of the classes. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 17:00:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21982 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:00:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21978 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:00:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23408 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:00:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from hillpc (ip183.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.183]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29699 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: [DARKMISTS] Re: changelings Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0c01$503086a0$b72f1e26@hillpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree. Changelings seem to have much too high an xp penalty for the ability to hold an extra item, which is after all, their only really cool change. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Jones To: FredJam Cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Races and Classes >Hello, seriously what's so great about a changling do the forms you can >change in to really help? > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 17:26:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22267 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:26:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22263 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:26:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23903 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:26:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from hillpc (ip183.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.183]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29615 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Scott C. Hill" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Triggers and clients Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0c00$a272ae80$b72f1e26@hillpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Everyone in you PK is red? How do you do this with ZMUD? Sounds pretty cool. Thanks, in advance. -----Original Message----- From: slindsey@students.wisc.edu To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 1:41 PM Subject: [DARKMISTS] Triggers and clients >In my opinion, having triggers for offensive actions in general is a really >bad idea. They'll end up getting you killed through spamming which lags you >pretty bad during combat. > >I don't do a lot of fancy things with triggers myself. I've found that >they're most useful for adding extra aliases (DM limits you to 5 I think), >doing multiple command aliases (ie. drop bag;sleep bag), and changing colors >(everyone in my PK lights up bright red to get my attention). > >I might as well mention that my favorite client for this type of stuff is >zMUD (http://www.zuggsoft.com) which is available for Windows only (and OS/2 >in Windows mode). I believe a few of the other immortals like to use the >MUD Mage client (http://www.bizdir.com.sg/carrion/mudmage.html) available >for Windows only. I've only briefly checked it out but all in all it's very >similar to zMUD. I'm not familiar with any special MUD clients for the Mac >but if anyone is feel free to share. > >Scott > > > From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 17:33:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22398 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:33:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22394 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:33:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (jwa@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24000 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:33:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jwa@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA06770; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Abraham Subject: [DARKMISTS]: everything To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <01bd0c01$503086a0$b72f1e26@hillpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Just went through about 50 messages, and i've got a few things to say. Archmages with a brain can usually take out any crusader, given they keep up channel and sanc and spiritblade. As most of you know I happen to be Meldrad, and i get my ass kicked on a general basis no matter what i do. Only reason i fare well against you tim, is you never have sanc up. =P Rangers really are a weak class. They may have been quite formidable way back when ie gohan etc (assuming they were not crusaders). But now there are acute vision objects floating around (which in my opinion makes hide stronger than camo, because you're in places were you can hide more often than you can camo & there are 4 det h things). Also as stated before, rangers cant kill worth a lick. Lions help, but as a crusader you cant use em unless you're outnumbered. They really could use another combat skill. Jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 18:54:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22547 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:54:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22543 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:54:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.81]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25125 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:54:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jwang@localhost) by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA26205 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:50:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wang To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]: everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu If you think about it, any class if played right can beat any other class. Sure equipment makes a difference but where you fight, how you fight and how you conduct yourself after the combat makes a big difference. Obviously a lifer has a greater chance if fighting at or near the protector. If his opponent fless in the wrong direction, BANG, fight into a nice big ass mob. Alone I think crusaders and arcana are well-matched for each other. But against other houses they are really strnog. If an arcana and an outlaw fight, you'd have problems unless the outlaw was really sneaky and smart. Crusader against lifer is just a joke really. Life is a nice house and all but it's abilities are all passive when their current purpose is offensive. I'm still waiting for a calm-like spell to stop combat in a room, which makes sense for someone protecting life right? I don't pretend to be one of the more experienced members of the group but the brains at the keyboard are a lot more important than the muscle of the char. Of the int stat either. *smirk* One great example is the common belief that warriors suck on their own. I believed it once myself too until I decided to play one. As much as you might not like bash/crush, they work pretty well in a fight. Put the warrior in a house (esp. crusader which is chock full of them) and you got a kick ass character. Granted he might not fly or see invis (there are potions which are weaker now and only serve as an annoyance which in my opinion is good, keeps you on your toes) but if you can hunt really really well, you're as good as a gating cleric. Anyway, those are my thoughts. jim a buncha characters all over the place. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 21:15:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA23404 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:15:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23400 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:15:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.169]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26440 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:15:42 -0600 (CST) From: FredJam Message-ID: <8c8af72c.349b382e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:14:49 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] rangers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Well regarding Meldrad, one problemm he has is as a giant he has no dex. Which makes him easy to hit and can also affect how well he hits ( I think). I've seen Gohan (houseless, human ranger, with no ranger staff, no enhannced damage, wearing red dragon eq) make Xurinos head for the hills. Those lions do a number on mages andd such. In the end Xurinos managed to kill gohan after some figghting and gohan's error. As for warriors, they are great in the right houses and such. Crusader warrior are incredible, I know I used to play on=). Bash, Crush, Dirt, Disarm, Shield Cleave..makes you deadly. However I still had trouble against those ethereel thieves, they hit too often and are difficult to touch (Krazen, Grendt, Slade, of the three only Grendt didn't die to me*grin*) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Fri Dec 19 22:43:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23561 for darkmists-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:43:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23557 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:43:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27235 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:43:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from [144.92.210.91] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id WAA33176 (8.8.6/50); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:43:02 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971219224054.006a1b1c@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: slindsey@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:40:54 -0600 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu From: Scott Lindsey Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Triggers and clients In-Reply-To: <01bd0c00$a272ae80$b72f1e26@hillpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu >Everyone in you PK is red? How do you do this with ZMUD? Sounds pretty cool. In zMUD under triggers set the pattern to '(PK)' and the command to '#COLOR red'. This makes the whole line with the player in your pk turn to red (works for where, who, who pk, etc). I've been browsing through all the messages... pretty interesting opinions out there. Nightwalkers are a pretty tough class at higher ranks, although, I've never played one. The greatest class to pk with has to be thieves. I've never had more fun with another class than I did with thieves. The thing is, people are impatient with them. You have to use your head to kill with them, they aren't a brute force class like warriors. Someone mentioned changelings and something about them being worthless. I think they're a great race to play. You get your choice of bear (resist weapon and hp), wolf (haste), third arm (trinal wield), and bat (fly). The two most useful of those being bear form and third arm. You can play just about any class successfully with this race. Great int and wis for all the mage types, unbelievable dex for thieves and monks, and trinal wield is great for warriors and rangers. The low str hurts warriors a bit, but third arm makes up for that. The only really crappy thing about this race is their con, but I think it balances out well in the end. The exp penalty is a bit steep though. I'll keep my mouth shut about Crusader and Arcana... for now. ;) Scott (Nycholas) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 20 07:48:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA25754 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:48:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25750 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:48:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns.shelby.net (root@ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA00927 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:48:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from wirikidor.shelby.net (shelby-180.shelby.net [207.201.214.180]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10832 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:42:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199712201342.IAA10832@ns.shelby.net> From: "wirikidor" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS]: everything Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:46:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Trust me, if I could sanc, I would! I'm very lucky to take two unspeaks from you and keep fighting. Your to good at reditecting attacks after I have something rescue, it's annoying :p --tim Rupprecht ---------- > From: Jim Abraham > To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Cc: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > Subject: [DARKMISTS]: everything > Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 6:33 PM > > Just went through about 50 messages, and i've got a few things to say. > Archmages with a brain can usually take out any crusader, given they keep > up channel and sanc and spiritblade. As most of you know I happen to be > Meldrad, and i get my ass kicked on a general basis no matter what i do. > Only reason i fare well against you tim, is you never have sanc up. =P From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 20 11:02:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26302 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:02:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26298 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:02:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.eznet.net (mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02388 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:02:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from eznet.net (shell1.eznet.net [207.50.128.10]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26048 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (dasbitch@localhost) by eznet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14215 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Tracey Koster To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] the last 26 emails In-Reply-To: <19971218182807.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu ACTUALLY, in response to your question, yes, i do have a picture :P its kind of old tho. about 1 1/2 years. I dont look *quite* like that anymore. but i should be getting new pictures done over new years. (i can't promise i'll be sober in them. Anyhow, next time to all you on the list sick of me talking about fashion.. I _PROMISE_ to write something a little more to do with darkmists next time. Its just that when you just wake up in the morning its a little bit difficult to focus on anything. anyway, if you want my pic, just send an email to me saying so dasbitch@eznet.net love, Tracey From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sun Dec 21 00:47:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA28093 for darkmists-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:47:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28089 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:47:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (F74.hotmail.com [207.82.250.180]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA08156 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:47:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 813 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1997 06:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19971221064642.812.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.184.86 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:46:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.179.184.86] From: "Shane Bard" To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] 1150hp backstab Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:46:42 PST Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu tom.. who were you playing ;) I pulled off a -LOT- of awesome backstabs in my lifetime, i think my personal best was upwards of 1700 on haplo or some other lifer ethereal type (of course that was with a shocking dagger and them damn strikers kicked in too :P) But then again I've had dual unspeak backstabs long before i had a pair of strikers.. as to why i got rid of slade well, he wasn't going anywhere (was a [MORON]), and I wasn't really playing him very much towards the end.. and he was stacked.. i really hate stacked chars that hardly get played. *poke poke harling and poke poke aboleth* And thirdly, I was quite intoxicated ;) And who is that giant warrior crusader boasting about killing me :P I think the only crusader that ever managed to kill me was darkwood, but I killed his other two group members before I went down (seker and mcleod) *laugh* But then again I have a collosal ego and a selective memory, so I sometimes forget defeats ;) As for rangers they tend to whup ass as it is, and meldrad you have avg 30+ weapons and damroll up the ass, don't complain.. you can kill a person in one round if they have no sanc. (or even with a sanc now that you have one of those damned strife spears) And on the changeling topic, what kind of moron said they are only good for holding another item?? Jesus, the bear resist is AWESOME, it might even be better than giant/eth, and they have no weaknesses... 25 dex makes you mage and thief types extra hard to hit, and trinal wield well, it's not all that since there's a low chance of it working.. but it is great for warriors and thieves, you can parry/dodge -and- shieldblock.. and everyone knows that haste is nice, and changelings can get it whenever they want. The bat form will prove usefull nowadays cuz those goddamn fly potions only last 11 ticks from shadowdale (12 ticks from the old man in midgaard but cost 3X as much) Hm, the exp cost should be 500 I think.. oh yeah like scott said, the int/wis rock, especially if you're a chnge thief or warrior, since they dont have a whole bunch of things to practice you'll be getting gain converts out the ass (pump up their hps) That's all for now folks. Shane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Dec 22 08:46:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02122 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:46:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02118 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:46:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02097 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:46:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118LYY; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <349E79E1.9B606062@logex.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:01 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] 1150hp backstab References: <19971221064642.812.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Shane...& Co. Well if I told you who my character(s) were, people might not fear them all too much, which would be a serious blow to my low-key ego. But I'll tell you that 1150 hp's was through steel, though I didnt have spellbane up which definately didnt help with your talon, which made it quite an eye opener. But luckily I just fled and tapped your head with my sack of gold and let you sleep for a bit while I retrieved those shredded wings you so nicely removed from my sleeping hands :) And since you brought company with you, I decided it was best not to fend you off again with 250 hp's so I went a slept a bit and waited to engage again...call it a hunch that i've milked that low hp cow one too many times. Didn't realize that changlings had 25 dex...that is nice...And yes giants have quite the problem hitting ethereals, Although I rarely fight Meldrad or Harling, Aboleth has seen that 25+ rounds of fighting doesnt get him too far, nor myself for that matter. But the ethereal vs giant fights are fun to watch and be apart of.. - Keeper of Strife - td From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 23 14:49:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15212 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15208 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04843 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-215-217.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.215.217]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id MAA29895 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:49:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34A024A4.F225B341@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:52:53 -0800 From: Steve Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "darkmists@cs.wisc.edu" Subject: [DARKMISTS] A question to be answered? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Ok I'm going to throw out a question, and see if anyone can answer this for me. Now that all of our fine houses of Thera seem to be up and running, I have been trying to locate them all and I have been successful in finding all of them except the Ancient House. Can anyone tell me where it is located? Steve Man of No Titles From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 23 15:13:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15427 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:13:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15423 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:13:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05279 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:13:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (lisuser101.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IRIPIEVOIUDNYDDK@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:13:15 EST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:12:24 -0500 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A question to be answered? To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <34A02938.FEEEE0AA@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <34A024A4.F225B341@pacbell.net> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Maybe it's just me but I always learned that revealing the locations of the houses would end up being a bad thing cuz it takes away from the fun of it. It's especially bad when you're going on an OOC mailing list. Personally speaking with Sagan, he doesn't want it revealed to anyone anytime. if it gets out because of some hardy adventurers, it gets out, but I don't think anyone who knows should be revealing it. I think the same thing goes with revealing the powers of any house or the powers of any brand. If it gets out it gets out and certain imms aren't as strict as others but you never can tell. jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 23 16:15:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15942 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:15:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15938 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:15:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06158 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:15:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from rrnet.com ([208.149.207.212]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25555 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:15:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34A05166.A5CF26A1@rrnet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:03:51 -0800 From: kasper Organization: kasper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A question to be answered? References: <34A024A4.F225B341@pacbell.net> <34A02938.FEEEE0AA@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu This is what I would like to see for the hideout of a cabal like ancient. have it somewhere appropriate, then have command words to say that would open the door for it. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 24 13:48:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA21160 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:48:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21156 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:48:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA20774 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:48:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup184-2-40.swipnet.se (dialup184-2-40.swipnet.se [130.244.184.104]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa053810 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:50:08 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Steve Davis Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:40:08 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34A024A4.F225B341@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Winkish Inc Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A question to be answered? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Stardate [23-Dec-97], Steve Davis (srdavis@pacbell.net) wrote: >Ok I'm going to throw out a question, and see if anyone can answer this >for me. Now that all of our fine houses of Thera seem to be up and >running, I have been trying to locate them all and I have been >successful in finding all of them except the Ancient House. Can anyone >tell me where it is located? Last I looked it was deep down in the caverns of Moria, but I have heard rumors about it moving elsewhere. Beats me. And btw, trust me - I found the location for myself, that Warder isn't very nice to strangers =p - -Johan Samuelson (mantra@geocities.com) .. "Less is more" From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 24 16:24:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA21441 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:24:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21437 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:24:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from hebe.edu.linkoping.se (mail.edu.linkoping.se [148.136.141.162]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA22075 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup83-1-29.swipnet.se (dialup83-1-29.swipnet.se [130.244.83.29]) by hebe.edu.linkoping.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra053811 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:25:20 +0100 From: Johan Samuelson To: Darkmists Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Winkish Inc Subject: [DARKMISTS] Thieves, most annoying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I hereby vote the thief class the most annoying son of bitches walking the bloody soil of Thera. Oh god I hate their bj/steal everything/follow target/bs combo. It's really unfair. While I'm at it - is there any detect hidden potions to be bought anywhere? They should ease the pain a little. *smirk* -- - -Johan Samuelson (mantra@geocities.com) .. "Less is more" From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 24 21:54:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22352 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:54:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22348 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:54:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.169]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24464 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:54:04 -0600 (CST) From: Mindbnder5 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 22:53:20 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] Thieves, most annoying Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I agree with the theives as one of the most annoying classes. If you ask me, the other two most annoying classes are Anti-paladins with their strong offensive spells and summon, and Necromancers because a necro with like 4 charmies can do some wicked damage... From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 25 01:55:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22786 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:55:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22782 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:55:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (mail.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.21]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26221 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:55:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from hansgref (host-209-138-6-25.bna.BELLSOUTH.net [209.138.6.25]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA21360 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:54:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34A2104D.3942@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:50:38 -0600 From: Chris Heredia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: [DARKMISTS] A thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Was just thinking, anyone ever practiced Evaluation? I often wonder why the skill itself was not put in for all to have, not just as a skill. Perhaps there is a good reason, perhaps there isn't. For RP sake I guess a warrior would be able to better evaluate a victims wounds than a mage, but all the same I've heard talk that all mages can evaluate wounds too. Thoughts, comments Chris From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Thu Dec 25 10:52:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24911 for darkmists-outgoing; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:52:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24907 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:52:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28605 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:52:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from suffolk.lib.ny.us (lisuser105.li.net) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24514) with ESMTP id <01IRL8Z623LWDNYYYT@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for darkmists@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:52:02 EST Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:51:04 -0500 From: Jim Wang Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A thought To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Message-id: <34A28EF8.2F17D225@suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <34A2104D.3942@bellsouth.net> Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I thought evaluation was taken off any class that didn't have enhanced damage. I'm not sure anymore based on what you just said. I think it makes sense that mages can't evaluate wounds to the same calibre as a warrior, that's why pretty bad shape is broked down to writhing and convulsing and, well, nearly dead is nearly dead to everyone. =) Oh, just a hint, DO NOT practice evaluation. If you put it on then you'll always lose concentration when you're fighting and it'll improve by itself. As for the location of ancient, you're wrong Johan. Go check again. And if you do find it, notice it's not a Warder anymore. *grin* jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Sat Dec 27 20:02:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA04126 for darkmists-outgoing; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:02:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04122 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:02:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17003 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:02:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from ppp-34.ts-14.nyc.idt.net by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118MKA; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: <34A5B3B2.7966AAC@logex.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:04:34 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] Thieves Are Annoying... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Hmm, Yes, I think thieves are annoying. That is why I love to piss off everyone I can as often as possible. There is nothing better than stealing objects/eq off people who are stupid enough to keep it hanging out in their inventories. Please, for my sake, keep your most valuable objects within easy reach, cause this is the only way I make my "honorable" living...Especially you high levelers - the more in your inventory the better - keep up the good work. - Keeper of Strife From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Dec 29 17:49:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18203 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:49:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18199 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:49:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06287 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:49:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118M3X; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:48:22 -0500 Message-ID: <34A837A8.490569DA@logex.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:52:08 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] A Thought... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I used to play Cf way back when it all began. I thought the coolest part of the world was the fact that leaders of houses have weapons, or dualing weapons...of course, this was taken out becasue IMM's love to dabble..anyways.... Okay, I know that is not too original, cause I know Rupprecht has one, not sure who else. But this is where the cool part was. To become leader of a house, the weapon was 1)either passed on to you or 2) you were killed for it. Okay, some people are thinking, "oh no! Too much turbulance in the house!" Yes it can, but I think at times, the Imm's have too much control over the world. Why not actually let the players run it, and the Imm's only step in "when needed". As it stands now, the leader is chosen by the Imm...I think the leader should be the one who best represents the house i.e. Best fighter = Crusader; Most Knowledgable = Arcana; etc. Maybe this type of system wouldnt apply to some houses, but it sure does for places like the crusader house...Realistically, who the hell is going to follow a leader into battle who cant fight? (Meldrad, this is no way says anything about your ways - as I've seen you in battle and I've seen you lead a house more than I can count - I just need an example of a house :). Make the people who are interested in leading actually fight each other for the weapon (sword, etc) which represents the feircest warrior. Maybe a tournament, or something. And when someone believes they should/could win the "throne" they must make the claim/challenge that s/he is worthy of it, and proving it before the members of the house... Now that would weed out the leaders/non-leaders in a house... Just like there is a trial period to be accepted into a house, there also should be one to become leader... Can't wait to see what people say about this :) From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Dec 29 18:21:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18333 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:21:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18325 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:20:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (jwa@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06682 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:20:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jwa@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA23879; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:20:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Abraham Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A Thought... To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu cc: Darkmists In-Reply-To: <34A837A8.490569DA@logex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I like it, but might be too much of an inconvenience for imms to keep changing the leader. And who would decide who would duel and when? Jim From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Mon Dec 29 18:45:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18478 for darkmists-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:45:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18474 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:45:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06935 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:45:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-64-69.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.64.69]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id QAA02355 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:45:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34A844F0.59349AD5@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:48:48 -0800 From: Steve Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A Thought... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu > I am going to have to second both Tom & Jim. I think that this is an > excellent idea!! And to Jim's point perhaps this is where the imm's > could play a part as they could act as some type of judge over the > battle. I also think that these "struggles" should be different to each > house. As tom mentioned Crusader should be about the best warrior and > Arcana the wisest or most learned. Perhaps Life should be another dual > although perhaps more formal than a crusader dual and where outlaw > should perhaps be a distasteful affair with no rules. Going towards > enforcer and ancient are a bit more difficult and I really have no > ideas. Steve From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 30 06:21:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA21351 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:21:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA21347 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:21:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12382 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:21:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from smithfam.wipt.nroc.amex-trs.com (Pool-207-205-131-180.ATLN.grid.net [207.205.131.180]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01635 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Lucian Smith" To: Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A Thought... Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd151d$c24b6dc0$b483cdcf@smithfam.wipt.nroc.amex-trs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.0 Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu The duals are an interesting perposal. It seems the houses should have a better way of picking a leader. Most clans or groups choose their leader by the same methods (in roll play.) The present way is more like a monarchy where devine right is the deciding factor. As for the issue of glowing equipment and seeing hidden. It seems to me that the whole reason that people feel an unfair advantage to hidden is because there are too many potions out there and means of seeing inivisible. Its almost useless as a spell. I think greater emphisis should be put on that fact. Possibly take away see invis potions. And go back and remove invis from the mobs in areas where it does not seem quite fitting that they are invis. Or just make them agro so they attack when you enter the room so that you can see them during the battle or whatever. But the fact is that hidden is one of the few things that is truly nice to have as would inivis be if there were not so many ways to see invis without a spell or ability. Thanks for listening. Lucian From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 30 08:24:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA21718 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA21714 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:23:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13213 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:23:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118MP8; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:22:45 -0500 Message-ID: <34A9048E.CBF0B92C@logex.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:26:22 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] A thought: Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Continuing on the point of "earning" your title as leader, etc. I pondered a little more about hypothetical scenarios in order to change leaders. Crusader: I think this one is obvious. Some sort of formal tournament or dual to decide who is the best all around warrior the house has to offer, keeping in mind that all those involved with this battle-royal are interested in becoming leader. Maybe there is an organized 'forum' for leader every two months...where at people may challenge the leader, or let him/her continue. Arcana: Maybe this is a quest-like decision process. An all knowing Mage: areas, potions, items, etc. is one who has fully mastered their domain. Ancient: (this is my favorite) I think there should be nothing formal. I think if you wish to be leader, you just kill the present one, and have to be able to hold onto the weapon for a designated amount of time - 3 days or something. Outlaw: Maybe this is a contest to see who can cause the biggest disturbance with the law, i.e. killing an enforcer or leader of enforcers (*shrug*). Life: I have no clue on this one. Enforcer: This one is tricky I think. Cause I dont believe the best "roleplaying" enforcer has anything to do with brute force. I think the best enforcers are those that are not biased and take each decision they face equally. So I am not sure "hunting" down the greatest number of criminals in a week, or anything similar to that would be appropriate. Not too sure about this one either... I know back on CF (sorry to use this as reference again) 'shadow' used to decide their leaders by the one I described for ancient above. If you wanted to be leader, you just killed the other person for their item. The role of leader rarely changed even with this 'code' put into the mentality of those involved. Why? Cause if you failed at your 'coup', the leader would just remove you from the Cabal. So in other words, you would either have to kill the person, or suffer being ousted from the cabal. And this installation of the "threat" of being removed by challenging leadership is a large reason not to 'rock the boat'. So leadership usually doesn't change too much. And if it does, the houses will be weeding out the weak, and keeping the house strong, etc. Then I saw cabals remove anything like this for reasons unknown, and started added quests for 'pieces' of the leader weapon. And who ever retrieved the most amount of 'pieces' became the next leader. I didnt like this since I rarely was a mage-type, and a person with 'locate' and 'gate' found most of the items everytime. And thus became leader. I felt this way gave favor to those magically inclined...anyways, enough of my babble, but I just thought this would be a kick ass way to make DM realistic and add some 'spice' to house membership and thier leaders. From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 30 08:24:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA21740 for darkmists-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:24:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA21736 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:24:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from jordan.logex.com ([209.70.32.69] (may be forged)) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13216 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:24:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from HOBBES by jordan.logex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1664.3) id ZH118MP0; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <34A904A6.EE70B4D2@logex.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:26:46 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Davis" Organization: LOGEX International, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darkmists Subject: [DARKMISTS] A thought: Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Continuing on the point of "earning" your title as leader, etc. I pondered a little more about hypothetical scenarios in order to change leaders. Crusader: I think this one is obvious. Some sort of formal tournament or dual to decide who is the best all around warrior the house has to offer, keeping in mind that all those involved with this battle-royal are interested in becoming leader. Maybe there is an organized 'forum' for leader every two months...where at people may challenge the leader, or let him/her continue. Arcana: Maybe this is a quest-like decision process. An all knowing Mage: areas, potions, items, etc. is one who has fully mastered their domain. Ancient: (this is my favorite) I think there should be nothing formal. I think if you wish to be leader, you just kill the present one, and have to be able to hold onto the weapon for a designated amount of time - 3 days or something. Outlaw: Maybe this is a contest to see who can cause the biggest disturbance with the law, i.e. killing an enforcer or leader of enforcers (*shrug*). Life: I have no clue on this one. Enforcer: This one is tricky I think. Cause I dont believe the best "roleplaying" enforcer has anything to do with brute force. I think the best enforcers are those that are not biased and take each decision they face equally. So I am not sure "hunting" down the greatest number of criminals in a week, or anything similar to that would be appropriate. Not too sure about this one either... I know back on CF (sorry to use this as reference again) 'shadow' used to decide their leaders by the one I described for ancient above. If you wanted to be leader, you just killed the other person for their item. The role of leader rarely changed even with this 'code' put into the mentality of those involved. Why? Cause if you failed at your 'coup', the leader would just remove you from the Cabal. So in other words, you would either have to kill the person, or suffer being ousted from the cabal. And this installation of the "threat" of being removed by challenging leadership is a large reason not to 'rock the boat'. So leadership usually doesn't change too much. And if it does, the houses will be weeding out the weak, and keeping the house strong, etc. Then I saw cabals remove anything like this for reasons unknown, and started added quests for 'pieces' of the leader weapon. And who ever retrieved the most amount of 'pieces' became the next leader. I didnt like this since I rarely was a mage-type, and a person with 'locate' and 'gate' found most of the items everytime. And thus became leader. I felt this way gave favor to those magically inclined...anyways, enough of my babble, but I just thought this would be a kick ass way to make DM realistic and add some 'spice' to house membership and thier leaders. td -Keeper of Strife From owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Wed Dec 31 01:42:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA00061 for darkmists-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:42:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00057 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:42:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26806 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:42:38 -0600 (CST) From: Mindbnder5 Message-ID: <40be6fb7.34a9f743@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:41:45 EST To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [DARKMISTS] A thought: Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-darkmists@cs.wisc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: darkmists@cs.wisc.edu I really like these ideas. I think your ideas for Arcana would work well for Life, except make it like the most learned in the holy arts... In CF, I was a leader of shadow for a short time. It was great, except I had way to many people trying to kill me... If this gets put in, it might liven up the game a little...