From prmalisc@facstaff.wisc.edu Sun Nov 26 13:53:11 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 26 Nov 95 13:53:09 -0600; AA24686 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 26 Nov 95 13:53:07 -0600 Received: from F181-108.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id NAA107451; 8.6.9W/42; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 13:53:05 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 13:53:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199511261953.NAA107451@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: prmalisc@facstaff.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: prmalisc@facstaff.wisc.edu (Malischke) Subject: Where was Booker? X-Mailer: There was one odd thing about the box score for the Chaminade game. Booker Coleman did not play. Every one else had at least 6 minutes. Was he injured, sick, or very deep in the doghouse? From ajrieck@students.wisc.edu Sun Nov 26 14:03:15 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 26 Nov 95 14:03:13 -0600; AA24805 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Sun, 26 Nov 95 14:03:11 -0600 Received: from [144.92.180.87] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id OAA18850; 8.6.9W/42; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:03:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:03:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199511262003.OAA18850@audumla.students.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: ajrieck@students.wisc.edu (Alan J. Rieck) Subject: Re: Where was Booker? >There was one odd thing about the box score for the Chaminade game. Booker >Coleman did not play. Every one else had at least 6 minutes. Was he >injured, sick, or very deep in the doghouse? Booker was injured in the UCLA game. I believe it was an ankle or knee. They knew going into the game that he would not play. I haven't heard any update regarding his status. Can anybody help us out regarding this? From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Mon Nov 27 07:40:45 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 07:40:43 -0600; AA02985 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 07:40:41 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:40:55 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 08:45:40 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 08:44:44 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:44:39 GMT-5 Subject: Illinois Game Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1B210B96F22@amber.indstate.edu> A summary of the Illinois game as I saw it: The Offense has gotten WAY too predictable. Case in point. First or second drive of the second half, Bevell throws a bomb to Hayes. They are down to about the 20 yard line. They then run Mc Cullough into the line three times. The fumble notwithstanding, it was a terrible sequence. MIX IT UP -- this isn't 1993 anymore!! Donald Hayes looks great! The Madison high school star (unfortunately from the wrong school :-) ) reminds me quite a bit of J.J. Stokes. He will be a perfect mix with Simmons next year... ....if anyone can get them the ball. As you know, Samuel stunk on Saturday. The two things I don't understand though is that he has an incredibly slow release, and he doesn't seem to read defenses well. He had Hayes in single converage twice during the ill-fated final drive - all he had to do IMO was loft it up a la Herman Moore, and they could have got some yardage. Zanders should get a serious look at next year. The young secondary that got burned earlier this year looked fine on Saturday. No worries there next year. Badger games in person are fun as always. Need I say more?? Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From tweaver@escmail.orl.mmc.com Mon Nov 27 08:26:14 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:26:11 -0600; AA03616 Received: from sunny.orl.mmc.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:25:56 -0600 Received: from bowling.orl.mmc.com by sunny.orl.mmc.com (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA08689; Mon, 27 Nov 95 09:25:08 EST Received: by bowling.orl.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA16708; Mon, 27 Nov 95 09:24:45 EST Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 09:24:45 EST From: tweaver@escmail.orl.mmc.com Message-Id: <9511271424.AA16708@bowling.orl.mmc.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Big Ten Basketball I've only seen parts of a few games, but based on the early season results, it looks like the Big 10 is going to have a down year in basketball. Maybe this means the Badgers can finish somewhere around 6th or 7th. I think they are better than NW and the three "States". It is somewhat conforting to know that whatever the outcome of the games, the Badgers probably won't be out-coached. TW From glaser@univbkstr.com Mon Nov 27 11:25:11 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 11:25:09 -0600; AA05276 Received: from mrcoffee.univbkstr.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 11:25:06 -0600 Received: from dickens.univbkstr.com (dickens.univbkstr.com [199.183.133.140]) by mrcoffee.univbkstr.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA12857 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:48:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:48:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199511271848.MAA12857@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com> X-Sender: glaser@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: glaser@univbkstr.com (Thomas Glaser) Subject: In case anyone cares... X-Mailer: The Big Ten Bowl selections this year are: Northwestern vs. USC in the Rose Bowl Jan. 1, 1996, 5pm EST ABC Ohio State vs. Tennessee in CompUSA Florida Citrus Bowl Jan. 1, 1996, 1:30pm EST ABC Penn State vs. SEC third-selected team in the Outback Bowl Jan. 1, 1996, 11am EST Michigan vs. loser of Texas/Texas A&M game in the Builders Square Alamo Bowl Jan. 1, 1996, 11am EST ESPN Iowa vs. Washington in the Sun Bowl Dec. 29, 1995, 2:30pm EST CBS Michigan State vs. SEC fifth or sixth in the Independence Bowl Dec. 29, 1995, 5:30 pm EST ESPN ------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Glaser glaser@univbkstr.com University Book Store http://www.univbkstr.com/ 711 State Street (608) 257-3784 Madison, WI 53703 (800) 993-BOOK From jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Nov 27 11:40:33 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 11:40:31 -0600; AA05412 Received: from tiberium.circ.gwu.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 11:40:29 -0600 Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.252]) by tiberium.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA22143 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:40:00 -0500 Received: (from jnrosen@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16547; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:40:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy N Rosen To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's aggravating to see Mich. State in a bowl when we whipped them, but Oh well. BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be allwoed to play his entire final career game. RE hoops, the league looks poor; Indiana and Iowa lost to unranked Duke over the weekend, and Mich. State did not distinguish itself much more than WI. in Maui. Mich. is probably very good (but young), and Purdue should be decent, but after that ??? ---Jeremy Rosen "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."---Margaret Mead jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu 4507 N. Washington Boulevard #2 Arlington, VA. 22201 (703)516-9846 From gbeatty@osf1.gmu.edu Mon Nov 27 12:46:36 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 12:46:33 -0600; AA06700 Received: from osf1.gmu.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 12:46:31 -0600 Received: by osf1.gmu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv3) id AA25272; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:46:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory M Beatty To: Bucky Subject: Re: Illinois Game In-Reply-To: <1B210B96F22@amber.indstate.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Nov 1995, Jonathan C. Enslin wrote: > ...if anyone can get them the ball. As you know, Samuel stunk on > Saturday. I saw the second half of the game on TV. I really didn't think Samuel was that bad. I didn't think he was particularly good either, though. The problem is that every time he turned around he had defenders all over him. On one series he couldn't even get off a pass because the blocking was non-existent. IMO, there wasn't enough to judge his ability. My biggest question was, is Illinois' defense that good, or is our offense that bad? (Or, I suppose, a combination of both.) Greg > > *********************************************************************** > Jonathan C. Enslin > Associate Director of Development > Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 > Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't > realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin > *********************************************************************** > From jon@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Mon Nov 27 13:15:59 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:15:56 -0600; AA07606 Received: from intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:15:54 -0600 Received: by intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA02445; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9511271917.AA02445@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: Jon Haveman Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:17:45 -0500 To: bucky@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Subject: Re: Why Samuel? Reply-To: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu References: Samuel came in for Bevell in the 4th because Bevell had only 3/4 of a REALLY TRULY gutty performance in him (like any mortal could have had more). Bevell was carted off the field and in intensive care as of Sunday evening. Possibly with severe kidney damage. Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Sender: owner-bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: Jeremy N Rosen To: Bucky Badger s Followers X-To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN It's aggravating to see Mich. State in a bowl when we whipped them, but Oh well. BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be allwoed to play his entire final career game. RE hoops, the league looks poor; Indiana and Iowa lost to unranked Duke over the weekend, and Mich. State did not distinguish itself much more than WI. in Maui. Mich. is probably very good (but young), and Purdue should be decent, but after that ??? ---Jeremy Rosen "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."---Margaret Mead jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu 4507 N. Washington Boulevard #2 Arlington, VA. 22201 (703)516-9846 From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Mon Nov 27 13:16:45 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:16:42 -0600; AA07622 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:16:40 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:16:54 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 14:21:39 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 14:21:33 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:21:32 GMT-5 Subject: Re: Illinois Game Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1B7ADFC3E06@amber.indstate.edu> > It's aggravating to see Mich. State in a bowl when we whipped them, but > Oh well. BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much > did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be > allwoed to play his entire final career game. Bevell wound up with a bruised kidney and had to go to the hospital late in the game. At one point he was listed in serious condition, but my guess is that he'll be OK. I'm sorry, but the reason that Samuel was sacked so much was mostly because he doesn't get rid of the ball. Come on...he had single coverage on WRs at many points, but didn't seem to recognize and react to that. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From scschell@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 13:22:11 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:22:08 -0600; AA07640 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:22:07 -0600 Received: from F182-178.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id NAA81228; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:22:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:22:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199511271922.NAA81228@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: scschell@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu From: scschell@students.wisc.edu (Scott Schellenberger) Subject: Re: Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: >It's aggravating to see Mich. State in a bowl when we whipped them, but >Oh well. BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much >did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be >allwoed to play his entire final career game. RE hoops, the league looks Ummm, maybe because Bevell was taken to the hospital and listed in Serious condition??? Think that might do it? He got hit in the kidney early in the game and then took himself out late in the third when the pain became unbearable. He was upgraded to fair condition yesterday. I haven't heard anything further. Soccer note - the Men's team beat William & Mary yesterday 1-0 in OT, but may have lost their goaltender to an elbow injury. They play SMU to see who goes to the final four, and date and place of that game are TBA. Volleyball note - the women's team split matches last weekend losing to Minnesota in 5 and beating Iowa 5-0 under the TV format (1pt for each of 3 8min games and 2pts for total score of the three games). They didn't make the NCAA tourney because of the Minn loss, but did make the volleyball equivalent of the NIT, the National Invitational Volleyball Championships. They have made one other appearance in this tourney, winning the inaugaral trophy in 1989. Cheers, Scott. From manuvir@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 13:22:58 1995 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:22:56 -0600; AA07646 Message-Id: <9511271922.AA15960@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from localhost by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:22:42 -0600 To: gbeatty@osf1.gmu.edu Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Illinois Game In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:46:28 EST." Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:22:41 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >I saw the second half of the game on TV. I really didn't think Samuel >was that bad. Let me put it this way: from the moment Samuel came into the game, the game was over for the Badgers. - Manuvir From manuvir@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 13:35:50 1995 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:35:48 -0600; AA07736 Message-Id: <9511271935.AA15978@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from localhost by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:35:46 -0600 To: jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: Bevell's injury Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:40:22 EST." Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:35:45 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much >did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be >allwoed to play his entire final career game. Bevell was injured in the second quarter, but continued to play. Those of you who were at the game might recall the ambulance pulling out of the stadium at the end of the game: that was Bevell being taken to the hospital. He had a bruised kidney and spent the night in the ICU in serious condition; he's since been upgraded to fair. Watching the replay on PBS after the game it was evident that he had to make an effort to even call a play. On one occasion he came on to the field after talking to the coaches about the play and ran to the line of scrimmage only to realise that all his players were standing ten yards behind waiting for him to call the play in the huddle. By all acounts it was a very gutsy performance by someone playing his last game and putting it all on the line for the team. Based on what happened once Samuel came in, it is clear that if he had not gutted it out we would have lost the game. It was nice to see Bevell get an ovation when he was carted off the field late in the game. By the same token, I was disappointed that some people in the stadium did not stand up to clap for Bevell when he was introduced before the game. Yes, it's a team game, but I can't think of an individual player who has done more for Wisconsin football than Bevell. He's a big reason why those people who were sitting when he was announced were there in the stadium at all. He's a big reason why this list exists and why many of you have become interested enough in the Badgers to join this list. He's a big reason why the Badgers went to the Rose Bowl two years ago; who can forget all the short passes he completed time after time to keep drives going, or his run into the end zone against UCLA in the Rose Bowl. The season is over, as is his career. He's taken a lot of flak this year, both here on the list and otherwise. It's time now to applaud his efforts and appreciate all that he has done in his stay here. - Manuvir From slesgold@cas.org Mon Nov 27 13:54:33 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:54:31 -0600; AA07977 Received: from srv01s4.cas.org by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:54:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:54:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9511271954.AA06779@cas.org> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Bevell From: slesgold@cas.org (Steve Lesgold @ ext. 3252, D21 3134B) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I didn't see the game or any reports. My mom said that she saw Bevell taken off the field in a stretcher during the few minutes that she had it on. What happened? Steve From barmstro@kentlaw.edu Mon Nov 27 14:08:59 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:08:57 -0600; AA08501 Received: from xgate.kentlaw.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:08:55 -0600 Received: from NetWare MHS (SMF70) by kentlaw.edu via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:08:21 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:06:00 -0600 From: BRIAN ARMSTRONG Sender: BRIAN ARMSTRONG Organization: Chicago-Kent College of Law To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: RE: , Samuel, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway FORWARDED MESSAGE from Jeremy N Rosen (JNROSEN @ SMTP {jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu}) at 11/27/95 11:40a > Reply-To: jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu > >BTW, about the Illinois game, why did Samuel play, and how much >did he play? My expectation was that barring injury, Bevell would be >allwoed to play his entire final career game. Bevell had to leave in the fourth due to injury (bruised ribs, I believe). He tried to stay in there, but was in too much pain and was too limited. Regarding Samuel: no, his play was not spectacular, but he didn't have much of a chance. Whenever he dropped back to pass, he had defenders on him as soon as he finished his drop back. No protection. Now to stir up discussion: is Barry gonna' fire some coaches? There were MANY complaints this year about the offense, especially its predictability and inflexibility. Is Childress, the offensive coordinator in trouble (remember Russ Jacques (sp?)--he was Off Coord. for just one year when Barry got rid of him) And the offensive line coach--is he in trouble? The line was not nearly as productive as everyone hoped (yes, I realize that most of last year's line is now in the NFL, and so is their coach). Is there a new offensive line coach in the wings, or do the players just "need more time to develop" (they already had one year this year, and after 11 games of playing together, they certainly were not dominating). And finally, what about the defense. Is Barry gonna do anything about that--I mean, the secondary was young, and played better as the year went on (although their tackling didn't improve much) and should be decent next year, and we had good linebackers, and a so-so D line. Yet some teams really rolled up the offense on us (Purdue, Minn). Any chance that Barry is disappointed enough to take more control of the D (we all know his experience as a defense coach), or will he just hope for improvement with his current defensive coordinator (Hey Dan McCarney--want to come back to Madison??). Just some fodder for discussion. Maybe too late--everyone seems to have shifted gears to basketball. From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Mon Nov 27 14:53:22 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:53:20 -0600; AA09868 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:53:16 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 27 Nov 95 15:53:28 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 15:58:13 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 27 Nov 95 15:58:05 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:57:58 GMT-5 Subject: RE: , Samuel, etc. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1B949E371AF@amber.indstate.edu> > Now to stir up discussion: is Barry gonna' fire some coaches? There were > MANY complaints this year about the offense, especially its predictability > and inflexibility. Is Childress, the offensive coordinator in trouble > (remember Russ Jacques (sp?)--he was Off Coord. for just one year when > Barry got rid of him) Sounds good. I'm all for smash-mouth, run it up the gut football, but if you don't have the personnel, you must have the flexibility to mix it up. > > And the offensive line coach--is he in trouble? The line was not nearly > as productive as everyone hoped (yes, I realize that most of last year's > line is now in the NFL, and so is their coach). Is there a new offensive > line coach in the wings, or do the players just "need more time to develop" > (they already had one year this year, and after 11 games of playing > together, they certainly were not dominating). Sounds good. This line seemed to in fact go downhill all year long. Remember Stanford when Mc C got 200 yards? > > And finally, what about the defense. Is Barry gonna do anything about > that--I mean, the secondary was young, and played better as the year went > on (although their tackling didn't improve much) and should be decent > next year, and we had good linebackers, and a so-so D line. Yet some > teams really rolled up the offense on us (Purdue, Minn). Any chance that > Barry is disappointed enough to take more control of the D (we all know > his experience as a defense coach), or will he just hope for improvement > with his current defensive coordinator (Hey Dan McCarney--want to come > back to Madison??). I think the D-line is terribly undersized for Big Ten football. Also, I think the defense the past couple of years has benefitted from an overwhelming time of possession advantage due to the offense's domination. That was not the case this year. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From 71202.3230@compuserve.com Mon Nov 27 15:22:14 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 15:22:12 -0600; AA10151 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 15:22:10 -0600 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA23576; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:22:08 -0500 Date: 27 Nov 95 16:17:30 EST From: Jonathan Newlander <71202.3230@compuserve.com> To: bucky followers Subject: FB recruiting Message-Id: <951127211729_71202.3230_GHL177-1@CompuServe.COM> I heard that the Badgers got a verbal commitment from Ron Dayne, considered by many to be one of the top fullback prospects in the country. Can anyone confirm this? At 5'10" and better than 250 pounds, he'd be quite a load to take down, if his speed is really as good as it's supposed to be, and could be a heck of a blocker too. With Waerig, Cantrell and Martin, he'd make our fullback corpse more solid and deep than it's ever been -- maybe even too deep. The way fullbacks are used at UW, it seems to me that investing so much effort on recruiting even more of them at this time, given the glut of talented underclassmen we've already got at both the fullback and tailback positions, isn't the most prudent way to utilize limited recruiting resources. What we REALLY need (in my ever so humble opinion) is a solid O-line in front of them. I think Barry and his staff need to really focus on getting the big guys -- I mean like a third of the whole recruiting class or so -- both to give the O-line some depth (and with it some good competition and incentive to perform well) and to beef up the D-line too. Maniecki aside, they were horribly undersized as a unit this year. Also, does anyone know anything about this other guy from Dayne's team that Bucky is recruiting? I hear he's a DB, but I don't know anything else about him. Thank much... :) As always, comments (whether in agreement or to shred my views) are welcome. :) From djrose@pipeline.com Mon Nov 27 17:15:33 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 17:15:28 -0600; AA12469 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 17:15:26 -0600 Received: from pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.41]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA21397; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: "David J. Rosen" Received: (djrose@localhost) by pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA13861; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:15:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199511272315.SAA13861@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Cc: djrose@pipeline.com Subject: Re: RE: , Samuel, etc. (fwd) DAVID J. ROSEN NYC --------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, Nov 27, 1995 6:14:58 PM From: djrose@nyc.pipeline.com To: Subject: Re: RE: , Samuel, etc. On Mon, Nov 27, 1995 2:06:00 PM at BRIAN ARMSTRONG wrote: >And the offensive line coach--is he in trouble? The line was not nearly >as productive as everyone hoped (yes, I realize that most of last year's >line is now in the NFL, and so is their coach). Is there a new offensive >line coach in the wings, or do the players just "need more time to develop" >(they already had one year this year, and after 11 games of playing >together, they certainly were not dominating). Jim Heuber took over the DL job this year after having been the RB coach the past couple of years. Part of the problem was that most of last year's line is now in the NFL, but I think it's also likely that Bill Callahan was just a better OL coach than Heuber. I think people tend to overlook the contributions of assistant coaches. All of the changes on the coaching staff (both with new assistant and reassignments of existing coaches) probably contributed a good deal to this year's problems. >And finally, what about the defense. Is Barry gonna do anything about >that--I mean, the secondary was young, and played better as the year went >on (although their tackling didn't improve much) and should be decent >next year, and we had good linebackers, and a so-so D line. Yet some >teams really rolled up the offense on us (Purdue, Minn). Any chance that >Barry is disappointed enough to take more control of the D (we all know >his experience as a defense coach), or will he just hope for improvement >with his current defensive coordinator (Hey Dan McCarney--want to come >back to Madison??). Again, Kevin Cosgrove, although an assistant for a while, was in his first year as Defensive coordinator. It's likely that he didn't do as good a job as McCarney had done in the past. I think there will definitely should-and will- be some combination of new faces and new assignments among the assistants. DAVID J. ROSEN NYC From ajrieck@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 19:35:43 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:35:41 -0600; AA14160 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:35:40 -0600 Received: from [144.92.181.217] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id TAA31926; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:35:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:35:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199511280135.TAA31926@audumla.students.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: ajrieck@students.wisc.edu (Alan J. Rieck) Subject: B-Ball injuries It seems that the basketball team is destined to face as many obstacles as possible in their attempt to be competitive. For the game tomorrow against Northeastern Illinois, Booker Coleman will again be unavailable. Even bigger and worse news however--Duany Duany (I'm not sure that is spelled correctly, if not my apologies) broke a bone in his foot in practice on Saturday and will most likely be lost for the season to a medical redshirt. Yes, it is my understanding that he will still have four years of eligibility left according to the report that I heard. These players will probably not be needed tomorrow, but will be missed on Saturday against Temple if unable to play. From ajrieck@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 19:42:31 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:42:29 -0600; AA14172 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:42:28 -0600 Received: from [144.92.181.217] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id TAA09912; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:42:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:42:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199511280142.TAA09912@audumla.students.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: ajrieck@students.wisc.edu (Alan J. Rieck) Subject: Football musings Barry mentioned numerous times after the game last Saturday that the offensive line was unable to lift last off-season due to most of them having surgeries. Did anyone know of this being that extensive? The people playing on the line now are the crop of Parade All-Americans that everyone was so excited about a few years ago. Regarding the coaching situation, I move that Hueber be returned to responsibility with the running backs, an area that was not as strong as previous years, and that someone else be found to do the o-line. (Too bad Philly is 8-4) Defensively, we need to find a definate leader in the secondary--a la Troy Vincent, Scott Nelson and Jeff Messenger. Actually, this is another area that hasn't improved as much as I would have hoped through the past few years. The coach that was here when Troy Vincent was left when he did, and things haven't been quite as good since. Just some thoughts. From gort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Mon Nov 27 20:59:42 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 20:59:39 -0600; AA14788 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 20:59:38 -0600 Received: from [128.174.75.12] (maloy.life.uiuc.edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07585 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:59:32 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:59:36 -0600 To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Gort) Subject: Re: FB recruiting >I heard that the Badgers got a verbal commitment from Ron Dayne, considered by >many to be one of the top fullback prospects in the country. Can anyone >confirm >this? > >At 5'10" and better than 250 pounds, he'd be quite a load to take down, if his >speed is really as good as it's supposed to be, and could be a heck of a >blocker >too. With Waerig, Cantrell and Martin, he'd make our fullback corpse more >solid >and deep than it's ever been I read in the Wi State Journal that Coach Alverez told him he would be a tailback. Who knows exactly how things will develop, though. -- Steve Gort 205 W. William #201 Champaign, IL 61820 gort@uiuc.edu From tschwant@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 23:42:51 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 23:42:49 -0600; AA15861 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 23:42:46 -0600 Received: from F182-208.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id XAA59694; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:42:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:42:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199511280542.XAA59694@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tschwant@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: tschwant@students.wisc.edu (Travis Schwantes) Subject: Re: Bevell's injury X-Mailer: >By all acounts it was a very gutsy performance by someone playing >his last game and putting it all on the line for the team. Based >on what happened once Samuel came in, it is clear that if he had >not gutted it out we would have lost the game. Very much agreed. I don't think he has ever gotten enough credit for how much he has played with pain. Coming back last year four weeks early from a shoulder separation is another example. I think the fact that the team has been somewhat mediocre since his shoulder injury is part of the reason he has gotten little credit for his efforts. The fact is, if the Badgers had a better quarterback than a banged up, gutsy Bevell, he would have played. >Yes, it's a team game, but I can't think of an individual player who >has done more for Wisconsin football than Bevell. He's a big reason >why those people who were sitting when he was announced were there in >the stadium at all. He's a big reason why this list exists and why >many of you have become interested enough in the Badgers to join this >list. He's a big reason why the Badgers went to the Rose Bowl two years >ago; who can forget all the short passes he completed time after time >to keep drives going, or his run into the end zone against UCLA in the >Rose Bowl. > >The season is over, as is his career. He's taken a lot of flak this >year, both here on the list and otherwise. It's time now to applaud >his efforts and appreciate all that he has done in his stay here. The two above paragraphs say it perfectly. The quarterback of any team is definently a magnet for criticism and that's fine. That's something that any high profile player has to accept. But I think, in Bevell's case, people have had very short memories. Thanks Manuvir, for reminding us! Travis From tschwant@students.wisc.edu Mon Nov 27 23:50:50 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 23:50:47 -0600; AA15951 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 27 Nov 95 23:50:46 -0600 Received: from F182-208.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id XAA82598; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:50:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:50:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199511280550.XAA82598@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tschwant@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: tschwant@students.wisc.edu (Travis Schwantes) Subject: RE: , Samuel, etc. X-Mailer: >Regarding Samuel: no, his play was not spectacular, but he didn't have >much of a chance. Whenever he dropped back to pass, he had defenders on >him as soon as he finished his drop back. No protection. True, the protection was pretty bad. But it's pretty hard to beat EIGHT defender's rushing with a QB who has little experience at reacting quickly and finding the players left open. I think it was more a combo of Illinois calling the correct play and Samuel's inexperience more than a complete o-line breakdown. >Now to stir up discussion: is Barry gonna' fire some coaches? I've been wondering this also. Childress seems like a target but he was the same person calling the plays during the Rose Bowl season. I do think the turnover in staff from 1994 to this year probably hurt the team a lot. It's hard to know what the coaches are doing, of course, but I sure do miss the excitement of McCarney on the sideline or, even more, the special teams coaching of Jay Norvell. I think his loss could be a big reason for the many special teams breakdowns. I think this season will motivate a pretty young team. I do not expect a losing season next year. Travis From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Tue Nov 28 06:49:55 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 06:49:53 -0600; AA19601 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 06:49:51 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 28 Nov 95 07:50:06 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 28 Nov 95 07:54:52 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 28 Nov 95 07:54:43 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:54:35 GMT-5 Subject: Re: FB recruiting Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1C93BD50BD0@amber.indstate.edu> > I heard that the Badgers got a verbal commitment from Ron Dayne, considered by > many to be one of the top fullback prospects in the country. Can anyone confirm > this? > > At 5'10" and better than 250 pounds, he'd be quite a load to take down, if his > speed is really as good as it's supposed to be, and could be a heck of a blocker > too. It's confirmed. This guy is supposed to be big and with sprinter's speed. I beleive he chose Wisconsin over Notre Dame and Michigan (maybe Ohio State too). Good pick-up. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From djrose@pipeline.com Tue Nov 28 08:28:34 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 08:28:32 -0600; AA21183 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 08:28:30 -0600 Received: from pipe8.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe8.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.48]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA02077; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) From: "David J. Rosen" Received: (djrose@localhost) by pipe8.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA15661; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:28:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:28:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199511281428.JAA15661@pipe8.nyc.pipeline.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Cc: djrose@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: FB recruiting On Tue, Nov 28, 1995 7:54:35 AM at Jonathan C. Enslin wrote: >It's confirmed. This guy is supposed to be big and with sprinter's >speed. I beleive he chose Wisconsin over Notre Dame and Michigan >(maybe Ohio State too). Good pick-up. Tom Lemming rates Dayne the top fullback prospect in the nation and describes him as the best player coming out of high school recruited by UW in the Alvarez era. According to Lemming, Dayne is a *franchise* type player who will contribute immediately as a true freshman. Lemming is far from infallible, but he's really high on this guy. DAVID J. ROSEN NYC From pbeckert@interaccess.com Tue Nov 28 09:52:17 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:52:15 -0600; AA21792 Received: from psycfrnd.interaccess.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:52:14 -0600 Received: (pbeckert@localhost) by psycfrnd.interaccess.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) id JAA20804; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:49:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:49:42 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Beckert To: Badger Listserv Subject: Men's B-Ball Schedule Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If anyone out there has it at their fingertips, would you be kind enough to forward me a copy of the men's basketball schedule? It was posted earlier, but I seem to have accidentally deleted it. Thanks, Phil Beckert. From barmstro@kentlaw.edu Tue Nov 28 12:41:54 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:41:51 -0600; AA23817 Received: from xgate.kentlaw.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:41:49 -0600 Received: from NetWare MHS (SMF70) by kentlaw.edu via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:40:59 -0600 Message-Id: <4B03BB30018AC9D1@kentlaw.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:40:00 -0600 From: BRIAN ARMSTRONG Sender: BRIAN ARMSTRONG Organization: Chicago-Kent College of Law To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: WCHA web site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway the address for the WCHA web site was posted a few months back. i've lost it. if someone has it, could you repost it? thanks. From jon@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Tue Nov 28 12:56:47 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:56:45 -0600; AA23948 Received: from intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:56:43 -0600 Received: by intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA03780; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:58:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9511281858.AA03780@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) In-Reply-To: <4B03BB30018AC9D1@kentlaw.edu> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: Jon Haveman Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:58:35 -0500 To: bucky@intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu Subject: Re: WCHA web site Reply-To: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu References: <4B03BB30018AC9D1@kentlaw.edu> http://www.up.net/~wcha/ Let me take this opportunity to point out that Brian Pinkerton, a UWisc alum has written (and sold to AOL for buku (sp?) bucks) a terrific search engine for the WWW. It's address is: http://www.webcrawler.com Took me about 15 seconds to find the WCHA page. I also learned how to build a canoe at the "WCHA - Building a Canoe" web page. :) That's the "Wooden Canoe Heritage Association"..... Have fun! Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:40:00 -0600 Reply-To: barmstro@kentlaw.edu Sender: owner-bucky@cs.wisc.edu From: BRIAN ARMSTRONG To: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: WCHA web site X-Sender: BRIAN ARMSTRONG X-To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN the address for the WCHA web site was posted a few months back. i've lost it. if someone has it, could you repost it? thanks. From ottxx006@gold.tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 13:36:33 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:36:30 -0600; AA24399 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:36:28 -0600 Received: by gold.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:35:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:35:41 -0600 (CST) From: Mark E Ott Subject: Re: WCHA web site To: BRIAN ARMSTRONG Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers In-Reply-To: <4B03BB30018AC9D1@kentlaw.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, BRIAN ARMSTRONG wrote: > the address for the WCHA web site was posted a few months back. i've > lost it. if someone has it, could you repost it? thanks. Here is the addtess for the college Hockey homepage, which includes the WCHA http://www.math.umn.edu/~urton/chockey/chockey.html -M From slesgold@cas.org Tue Nov 28 13:47:24 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:47:23 -0600; AA24505 Received: from srv01s4.cas.org by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:47:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:47:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9511281947.AA01325@cas.org> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Bevell From: slesgold@cas.org (Steve Lesgold @ ext. 3252, D21 3134B) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I'd like to second Manuvir's comments re Bevell. I've been a fan since the late 50's and Bevell certainly is one of the real key players during that time. Up there with Pat Richter. Does UW ever retire numbers? If so, his should be retired. A standing ovation during the intro is the least that he deserved. What hospital is he in? Steve From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Tue Nov 28 14:08:44 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:08:43 -0600; AA24883 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:08:39 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:08:48 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 28 Nov 95 15:13:35 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 28 Nov 95 15:13:10 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:13:04 GMT-5 Subject: Re: Bevell Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1D08AC8578F@amber.indstate.edu> > I'd like to second Manuvir's comments re Bevell. I've been a fan > since the late 50's and Bevell certainly is one of the real key > players during that time. Up there with Pat Richter. Does UW ever > retire numbers? If so, his should be retired. > > A standing ovation during the intro is the least that he deserved. > What hospital is he in? Probably University. My father, brother, and I went to the game, and when we were looking through the program, we thought it was interesting that only four Badgers have numbers retired - two of them because they died playing football!! Does being in serious condition count? Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 14:30:51 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:30:49 -0600; AA25300 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:30:47 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA20447; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:30:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:30:46 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282030.AA20447@io.che.wisc.edu> To: ajrieck@students.wisc.edu, bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: B-Ball injuries > It seems that the basketball team is destined to face as many obstacles as > possible in their attempt to be competitive. For the game tomorrow against > Northeastern Illinois, Booker Coleman will again be unavailable. Even > bigger and worse news however--Duany Duany (I'm not sure that is spelled > correctly, if not my apologies) broke a bone in his foot in practice on > Saturday and will most likely be lost for the season to a medical redshirt. > Yes, it is my understanding that he will still have four years of > eligibility left according to the report that I heard. Yeah, that is all correct. Bennett seemed to think that Duany was the best outside shooter on Wisconsin (I'd believe it, though I've seen some impressive airballs from him too :^). As Bennett and everybody else has said, this may be good for Duany in the long run, but probably not good for this year's team. > These players will probably not be needed tomorrow, but will be missed on > Saturday against Temple if unable to play. Undoubtedly, though I believe we still have a pretty good shot at beating Temple. They lost a lot in Rick Brunson last year, and will probably be having an "off-year". Chaney is a good coach, but sometimes overlooks teams that aren't traditional powers. Brian From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 14:33:50 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:31:55 -0600; AA25326 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:31:53 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA20346; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:31:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:31:52 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282031.AA20346@io.che.wisc.edu> To: ajrieck@students.wisc.edu, bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Football musings > Defensively, we need to find a definate leader in the secondary--a la Troy > Vincent, Scott Nelson and Jeff Messenger. Actually, this is another area > that hasn't improved as much as I would have hoped through the past few > years. The coach that was here when Troy Vincent was left when he did, and > things haven't been quite as good since. SOUP!!! Seriously, I think the natural for this would be Cyrill Weems, who used to be a QB. He seems to make quite a few big plays. Brian From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 14:38:36 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:38:34 -0600; AA25548 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:38:33 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA17310; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:38:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:38:32 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282038.AA17310@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Bevell's injury > Very much agreed. I don't think he has ever gotten enough credit for how > much he has played with pain. Coming back last year four weeks early from a > shoulder separation is another example. I think the fact that the team has > been somewhat mediocre since his shoulder injury is part of the reason he > has gotten little credit for his efforts. This isn't really fair. I think most of the Bevell critics on this list (and I count myself among them) have never failed to complement his effort. In fact, I believe that a lot of his problems are due to nagging injuries. It made me sick to watch him get slammed to the turf over and over again in that Illinois game, and I only saw about 1/3 of it. > The fact is, if the Badgers had a better quarterback than a banged up, > gutsy Bevell, he would have played. Exactly. Thing is, some of us wonder what you consider better. When you bring in a guy who hasn't had many reps in practice and any game experience, he probably will have problems. That was my beef more than anything, though from what I've seen of Samuel I'm not sure he will be the sure started next year. > The two above paragraphs say it perfectly. The quarterback of any team is > definently a magnet for criticism and that's fine. That's something that > any high profile player has to accept. But I think, in Bevell's case, > people have had very short memories. Thanks Manuvir, for reminding us! Once again, unfair. I know I harp on this a lot, but is it necessary for all of us to always qualify criticism with "but he's done a great job in the past"? If I'm willing to point out his good games (and I have), I should be able to point out his bad games as well, without being accused of having a short memory. I'm not angry - I just think you need to consider this. Not that I'm speaking for every person who has criticized Bevell this year. Brian From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 14:42:01 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:41:59 -0600; AA25640 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:41:56 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA16776; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:41:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:41:55 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282041.AA16776@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Post-season honors As somebody has probalby already mentioned, Tarek Saleh was the only Badger named to the all-Big 10 team. His 12 sacks led the Big 10, and I believe he also was second or third in the conference in "tackles for a loss". Darrell Bevell and Pete Monty were named second team all-conference. Jason Maniecki, Jerry Wunsch, Jamie Vanderveldt, Eric Unverzagt, and a few others I am sure I am missing (maybe Nyquist and London) were named honorable mention all-conference. Bevell and Nyquist are up for East-West Shrine Bowl selections. It doesn't hurt that Barry will be an assistant coach for that team. :^) Brian From gholt@cmotor.com Tue Nov 28 15:30:03 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:29:59 -0600; AA26378 Received: from [199.4.94.234] by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:29:56 -0600 Received: from ([192.4.200.180]) by narya.cmotor.com with SMTP id AA21429 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:23:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:23:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199511282123.AA21429@narya.cmotor.com> X-Sender: gholt@cmotor.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gholt@cmotor.com (Gannon Holt) Subject: Temple Prediction X-Mailer: I have looked into my crystal ball (which is actually acryllic) and I saw ... Temple 75 UW 68 Close game throughout, Badgers inexperience shows at the end and Temple pulls it out. Gannon From manuvir@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 16:02:53 1995 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:02:51 -0600; AA27000 Message-Id: <9511282202.AA18167@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from localhost by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:02:49 -0600 To: DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Bevell In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:13:04 GMT." <1D08AC8578F@amber.indstate.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:02:48 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >> A standing ovation during the intro is the least that he deserved. >> What hospital is he in? > >Probably University. Yes, he's at University Hospital; he should be released later this week. If you want to send him a card etc you can send it to the Sports Info people at the ahtletics office and they'll send it on to him. If people are interested I'll post the address. - Manuvir From manuvir@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 16:14:22 1995 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:14:08 -0600; AA27268 Message-Id: <9511282214.AA18178@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from localhost by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:14:04 -0600 To: saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Bevell's injury In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:38:32 CST." <9511282038.AA17310@io.che.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:14:03 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >Once again, unfair. I know I harp on this a lot, but is it necessary for >all of us to always qualify criticism with "but he's done a great job in >the past"? If I'm willing to point out his good games (and I have), I >should be able to point out his bad games as well, without being accused of >having a short memory. You've completely missed the point here. The point made was that his career is now over; there are no more current performances to look at. So this is the opportunity to look back on his career as a whole. And if you have even a half-decent memory you will recall what he has meant to this program. The introductions of the seniors are a way of getting fans to show their appreciation for the efforts of players over their entire career as Badgers. When they clap for Bevell at this time that's what they're clapping for, and those who didn't clap did so because they've put their memories of his "bad" performances this year over his past performances. That's what is not fair here. As Eric Unverzagt said in one interview, when he came into the program they were a game below .500 and it was acceptable. Now they're a game below .500 again, but this time everyone is unhappy about it. That in itself shows how far this program has come in the last few years. This was the last big batch of players from the Rose Bowl that graduated this year; there are only a few left now who had any playing time at all in the RB (Monty&Saleh come to mind). So all the guys who've left so far including this batch have done their thing; the true test of the recycling of talent will come in the next couple of years when a whole new group of players will attempt to reach those heights that their predecessors reached. - Manuvir From ander_rj@cowley.uwlax.edu Tue Nov 28 16:22:56 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:22:54 -0600; AA27397 Received: from blackberry.cowley.uwlax.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:22:52 -0600 Received: by blackberry.cowley.uwlax.edu; id AA01779; NX5.67d/42; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:24:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:24:22 -0600 From: ANDERSON Message-Id: <9511282224.AA01779@blackberry.cowley.uwlax.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: All State Teams/Kaspars Kimbala Cc: ander_rj@cowley.uwlax.edu Reply-To: ander_rj@cowley.uwlax.edu Begin forwarded message: >> About the mysterious Eastern European player in the Milwaukee area...the Journal/Sentinal had high school basketball preview this week and I didn't see anything about any such player. Once again, the name is Kaspars Kimbala and he is a junior at Homestead High School in Mequon (northern suburb of Milwaukee). He is listed at 6-9 236 lb. in the program and it seems to be accurate. I attended the Homestead game last week and he was in street clothes on the bench. I've heard his WIAA appeal to become eligible is due up around Dec. 1st or so and they are hoping he will be allowed to play varsity, or if nothing else, varsity reserve this season. Either way, he will be eligible next season since he will have attended the school one full year by then. Interestingly enough, in the last few years, among those playing Div. 1 basketball from Homestead are Larry Hisle Jr. (class of 89?) (wisconsin and dayton) Jeff Peterson (class of 89?) (wisconsin and marshall) Terry Preston (class of 92) (Utah's starting point guard) Dan Johnson (class of 95) (Univ. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) For what it's worth it seems as though Bennent had a would have had a chance to recruit any of these guys at UWGB, but couldn't get them there, I wonder how he'll do now that he's at a higher-profile program. From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 16:37:20 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:37:17 -0600; AA27718 Received: from castor.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:37:15 -0600 Received: by castor.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/23Feb95-0139PM) id AA17490; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:37:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:37:14 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282237.AA17490@castor.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Bevell's injury > and those who didn't clap did so because > they've put their memories of his "bad" performances this year over > his past performances. That's what is not fair here. Are you sure about that? Maybe not everybody likes to clap that much. Maybe some people weren't paying attention to what was going on. But unless you noticed that they booed him, or didn't clap for him when they clapped for others, there is no way of knowing if that was the case. I rarely clap, but it isn't because of a lack of respect. It's because I have serious RSI (repetivie stess injuries - similar to carpal tunnel syndrome) in my hands, and any amount of clapping results in painful hands (I have to wear gloves to type). My point - people shouldn't have a chip on their shoulder over all of this. Brian From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 17:10:46 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 17:10:43 -0600; AA28188 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 17:10:41 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21071; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:10:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:10:40 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511282310.AA21071@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: OK, who's the moron? In the WMEB Media Poll for hockey, Wisconsin got one top-10 vote. Normally, this isn't a big deal, but from a 2-9-1 team, it is quite a surprise. Homer! :^) Brian From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Tue Nov 28 18:36:22 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:36:20 -0600; AA29398 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:36:18 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AD09843; 4.1/42; Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:37:23 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951128165243.32704; 28 Nov 95 18:36:15 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:51:03 CST Subject: The secondary Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Just got back into email land from a short abscence and am coming in late on the football woes/debate. I have one thing to say about our secondary: they are young, yes, but I don't care if you have four seniors back there, if your defensive front seven doesn't put a consistent and relentless rush on the quarterback, your secondary is nothing but four sitting ducks. End of story. - Dave From Adam.S.Bass@students.Miami.EDU Tue Nov 28 18:39:06 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:39:04 -0600; AA29416 Received: from email.ir.miami.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 18:39:02 -0600 Received: by email.ir.miami.edu id AA19297 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for Wisconsin mailing list ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:38:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Adam S. Bass" Subject: Tarek Saleh To: Wisconsin mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw that Saleh was First Team all Big T1e1N, which is great. Also, he was listed in USA TODAY as a second team All-American on the D-Line. Its nice to see him get some recognition, even in a down year for the program. Adam S. Bass abass@email.ir.miami.edu On Wisconsin! From prapple@cacd.rockwell.com Tue Nov 28 19:02:43 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 19:02:41 -0600; AA29786 Received: from global3.cacd.rockwell.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 19:02:38 -0600 Received: from ccmgw1.cacd.rockwell.com (pc110417) by global3 (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA29066; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:02:45 +0600 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by ccmgw1.cacd.rockwell.com id AA817606949; Tue, 28 Nov 95 19:01:30 cst Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 19:01:30 cst From: "prapple" Encoding: 30 Text Message-Id: <9510288176.AA817606949@ccmgw1.cacd.rockwell.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: prapple@cacd.rockwell.com Subject: Re: The secondary Content-Length: 1150 Actually the problem that I see it is that UW had less than 4 people to cover most of the year. With having to commit 8 players to stop the run, the secondary was usually stuck in Man to man coverage with no help. How often did you see the safety making a tackle 5 yards down field or committing to a hole. The badgers need a bigger d-line next year so they can stop up more than one hole with each person. Just my thoughts, Pete. Badger in Corn Land. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: The secondary Author: LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu at ccmgw1 Date: 11/28/95 6:50 PM Just got back into email land from a short abscence and am coming in late on the football woes/debate. I have one thing to say about our secondary: they are young, yes, but I don't care if you have four seniors back there, if your defensive front seven doesn't put a consistent and relentless rush on the quarterback, your secondary is nothing but four sitting ducks. End of story. - Dave From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 21:25:24 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 21:25:20 -0600; AA02358 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 21:25:19 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21493; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:25:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:25:18 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511290325.AA21493@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Men's basketball: Northeastern Illinois After having trouble pulling away from Northeastern Illinois most of the first half, Wisconsin finally put it together and spanked the Golden Eagles 89-55. Wisconsin had five players in double figures, led by Mosezell Peterson with 18. The Badgers shot around 70% for the game - incredible. Sam Okey got injured in the first half, and seemed to bleed quite a lot. He went in for stitches and came back at halftime. The Wisconsin home crowd was DEFINITELY accusing the NeIU player of a cheap shot, but from my standpoint it looked like he and Sam were pushing each other going after a rebound (actually, Sam may have been trying to keep him away from it, since it was a bad shot by NeIU). The referees did seem to have a bit of a problem in the first half, but I won't get into that. :^) Once again, I don't think our opponent was good enough to make all that much of an evaluation. I can say, however, that I like the way this team comes together when necessary. Only basketball-related: every picture of Dick Bennett I see, especially the one on the cover of this game's program, is awful. He looks like he is various stages of passing a kidney stone. I'd rather have shots of him in action, lecturing Peterson or Hoskins. :^) Two people had to be helped out of the game tonight. One look like she fainted, right after the Okey injury in the area behind the basket where it happened. A lot of people faint at the sight of blood - I imagine that may have been the cause. Another one had to be carried out in a stretcher from the upper deck - no idea what caused that. Brian From scschell@students.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 22:46:20 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:46:17 -0600; AA02884 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:46:15 -0600 Received: from F180-145.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id WAA32152; 8.6.9W/42; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:46:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:46:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199511290446.WAA32152@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: scschell@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: scschell@students.wisc.edu (Scott Schellenberger) Subject: Re: Men's basketball: Northeastern Illinois X-Mailer: >After having trouble pulling away from Northeastern Illinois most of the >first half, Wisconsin finally put it together and spanked the Golden Eagles >89-55. Wisconsin had five players in double figures, led by Mosezell >Peterson with 18. The Badgers shot around 70% for the game - incredible. Actually, by the end, I think it was down to around 60, but I know for dure they shot 75% in the first half. Free throw shooting was definitely better tonight, also up around 70 or 75 percent. I am a little concerned that they seem reluctant to shoot the 3 though, only 5 or 6 for the game I think. The five in double figures were the starters - Okey, Hoskins, Peterson, Mason and Daugherty. BTW, Kosolcharoen finally scored!! >Sam Okey got injured in the first half, and seemed to bleed quite a lot. >He went in for stitches and came back at halftime. The Wisconsin home >crowd was DEFINITELY accusing the NeIU player of a cheap shot, but from my >standpoint it looked like he and Sam were pushing each other going after a >rebound (actually, Sam may have been trying to keep him away from it, since >it was a bad shot by NeIU). Actually, after Sam was down a while and got up, he walked off to the locker room and pumped his fist - this was when the team came alive. I know that #23, the guy that smacked him, had hit Sam on top of the head on the previous NeIU free throw, and Sam came back down the court scowling at him. The injury came on the next trip down the court for NeIU, and I thought #23 obviously knocked Sam down trying to get the loose ball - not necessarily a cheap shot, but I think a foul should have been called...which brings me to the next point... > >The referees did seem to have a bit of a problem in the first half, but I >won't get into that. :^) They were pathetic. Brian did you see what Darnell did that supposedly was worthy of a technical?? I wasn't paying real close attention. I'm just wondering if there was grounds for it or not. The crowd obviosly thought he did nothing. > >Once again, I don't think our opponent was good enough to make all that >much of an evaluation. I can say, however, that I like the way this team >comes together when necessary. I disagree here. A lot of people, including the Wis. St. Journal were saying that NeIU was a respectable ballclub. Someone said one of their players was a JuCo transfer that averaged 34ppg last year. Temple will be a better test of course, but I think tonight's game showed that we can be dangerous. Just a different perspective, sorry about the length... Scott. From manuvir@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 22:49:22 1995 Received: from captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:49:20 -0600; AA02903 Message-Id: <9511290449.AA18714@captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from localhost by captn-hook.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:49:19 -0600 To: saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: Men's basketball: Northeastern Illinois In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:25:18 CST." <9511290325.AA21493@io.che.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:49:18 -0600 From: Manuvir Das >Sam Okey got injured in the first half, and seemed to bleed quite a lot. >He went in for stitches and came back at halftime. Someone had commented negatively on Okey's attitude a few days ago. After watching the game today, I can only say this: his attitude is awesome. This is not a freshman, this is someone who looks more in control and poised on the floor today than Finley looked in his senior year. Here are some examples: 1. After the injury, he was down for several minutes. The crowd was unhappy, upset, shocked. When he got up, the crowd began to clap. Everyone looked at him as he walked towards the tunnel with his head wrapped in towels. Then, without looking back, he raised his right hand with a clenched fist as a signal to the crowd. The place erupted, the crowd was suddenly into the game and cheering hard, and the momentum swung. This is exactly what this team/program needs. 2. He gets a rebound, spots Mozelle ahead of the pack, and makes a superb pass the length of the court for an easy layup by Mozelle. He's still on our end of the court, and he has his hands in the air in celebration. But not the laughing, jumping around kind of thing but a calm and determined action. I wish I could describe it better. 3. On the floor, he's telling people where they should be. He's playing hard, great defense, getting strong rebounds, and making excellent passes. He is really a very good passer in every situation. He plays bigger than he is, and he is very physical. He is going to be very very good. Let me correct that. He is very very good. And he's only played four games for the Badgers. - Manuvir p.s. Bennett appears to be a very good gametime coach. A guard makes a bad play (in terms of not following instructions) and a replacement is at the scorer's table pronto. Mason leads a break, sees no hole and brings it back out, and Bennett is applauding his judgement. I like this guy already. From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 22:59:30 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:59:27 -0600; AA02954 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 22:59:26 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21763; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:59:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:59:25 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511290459.AA21763@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Officials Just for those of you that were at the game and agreed with me: Officials: Tom Oneil, Steve Skiles, Tom Hutchinson. Clip these, and save them in a file. :^) Brian From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Tue Nov 28 23:11:14 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 23:11:11 -0600; AA03187 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Tue, 28 Nov 95 23:11:10 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21532; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:11:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:11:09 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511290511.AA21532@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu, scschell@students.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Men's basketball: Northeastern Illinois > Actually, after Sam was down a while and got up, he walked off to the locker > room and pumped his fist - this was when the team came alive. I know that > #23, the guy that smacked him, had hit Sam on top of the head on the > previous NeIU free throw, and Sam came back down the court scowling at him. > The injury came on the next trip down the court for NeIU, and I thought #23 > obviously knocked Sam down trying to get the loose ball - not necessarily a > cheap shot, but I think a foul should have been called...which brings me to > the next point... Admittedly, I was bored at this point, and probably missed the prior stuff. > They were pathetic. Brian did you see what Darnell did that supposedly was > worthy of a technical?? I wasn't paying real close attention. I'm just > wondering if there was grounds for it or not. The crowd obviosly thought he > did nothing. Oh, he did something alright. He made a rather nice comment to the NeIU player that he ran into. Hoskins was all ticked off about the Okey deal, and forced the contact on the play (he was lucky the NeIU player was too slow to establish any position). >>Once again, I don't think our opponent was good enough to make all that >>much of an evaluation. I can say, however, that I like the way this team >>comes together when necessary. > I disagree here. A lot of people, including the Wis. St. Journal were > saying that NeIU was a respectable ballclub. Someone said one of their > players was a JuCo transfer that averaged 34ppg last year. Temple will be a > better test of course, but I think tonight's game showed that we can be > dangerous. I hate to sound presumptuous, but Wisconsin publications often overrate the Badger opponents. NeIU was horrible last year, and had lost its best players from that team. The JUCO transfer could score, but we saw tonight that he was a serious ballhog, didn't meet a shot he didn't like, and couldn't hit free throws. Nonetheless, it was a good win. Had the game ended up around 10 points, I probably wouldn't be saying that though. Some other things: we had 21 turnovers (to 13 assists). That aspect of the game, especially early on, was pretty frustrating. Daugherty had another impressive game. Brian From tschwant@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 00:40:12 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 00:40:09 -0600; AA05247 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 00:40:08 -0600 Received: from F180-040.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id AAA29354; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:40:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:40:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199511290640.AAA29354@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tschwant@students.wisc.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: tschwant@students.wisc.edu (Travis Schwantes) Subject: Re: Bevell's injury X-Mailer: >> I think the fact that the team has >> been somewhat mediocre since his shoulder injury is part of the reason he >> has gotten little credit for his efforts. > >This isn't really fair. I think most of the Bevell critics on this list >(and I count myself among them) have never failed to complement his effort. >In fact, I believe that a lot of his problems are due to nagging injuries. >It made me sick to watch him get slammed to the turf over and over again in >that Illinois game, and I only saw about 1/3 of it. The only point I'm trying to make is that the team has not performed to expectations so Bevell has taken a lot of the criticism as a high profile player. That's natural. >> The two above paragraphs say it perfectly. The quarterback of any team is >> definently a magnet for criticism and that's fine. That's something that >> any high profile player has to accept. But I think, in Bevell's case, >> people have had very short memories. Thanks Manuvir, for reminding us! > >Once again, unfair. I know I harp on this a lot, but is it necessary for >all of us to always qualify criticism with "but he's done a great job in >the past"? If I'm willing to point out his good games (and I have), I >should be able to point out his bad games as well, without being accused of >having a short memory. I'm not angry - I just think you need to consider >this. I think people making disclaimers after every critical statement is unnecessary. I did not mean to indicate that at all. My point was that, now that his career is over, it seems like a good time to put Bevell's career in perspective. I wanted to second Manuvir's post which I thought did that very well. Over the long haul, it's hard to name very many players in the history of Wisconsin football who have meant as much to the program as Darrell Bevell. In "fair"ness, Travis From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Wed Nov 29 06:43:48 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 06:43:47 -0600; AA10262 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 06:43:45 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 07:43:59 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 07:48:47 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 07:48:39 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:48:38 GMT-5 Subject: Re: All State Teams/Kaspars Kimbala Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1E1227D6D05@amber.indstate.edu> > Interestingly enough, in the last few years, among those > playing Div. 1 basketball from Homestead are > Larry Hisle Jr. (class of 89?) (wisconsin and dayton) > Jeff Peterson (class of 89?) (wisconsin and marshall) > Terry Preston (class of 92) (Utah's starting point guard) > Dan Johnson (class of 95) (Univ. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) > > For what it's worth it seems as though Bennent had a would have had > a chance to recruit any of these guys at UWGB, but couldn't get them > there, I wonder how he'll do now that he's at a higher-profile > program. Oh come on. How can you base Bennett's recruting ability on how he has done with Homestead players? Hisle and Peterson were completely overrated, Preston's OK, and Johnson is a marginal DI player at best. I think he did just fine with the players he did recruit. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From chucks@postman.dgii.com Wed Nov 29 08:47:05 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:47:03 -0600; AA12201 Received: from digibd.dgii.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:47:01 -0600 Received: from shogun.dgii.com by dgii.com with SMTP (8.6.10/DBI-1.19) id OAA00394; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:46:28 GMT Received: by shogun.dgii.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30BC725E@shogun.dgii.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:46:54 C From: Chuck Sackett To: Badger Sports List Subject: Re: OK, who's the moron? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:51:00 C Message-Id: <30BC725E@shogun.dgii.com> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >In the WMEB Media Poll for hockey, Wisconsin got one top-10 vote. Normally, >this isn't a big deal, but from a 2-9-1 team, it is quite a surprise. Maybe Bill Howard qualifies as media. So what's the word in Madison these days? Besides having a scoring punch that's equivalent to a 17-year old with zits and a pocket-protector....and a defense that's got more holes than the '95 Chicago Bears.........just what's going on? This will be the first Badger hockey team that I can remember that finishes with less than 20 wins. Have the mobs started calling for Sauer's head yet? The Badgers better put a cheesehead over their faces and get ready for the crash. It's coming. All of the idiots up here in Minneapolis are saying "this could be the year the Gophers win it all." I just smile and laugh. They've got about as much chance as that 17-year old with the pocket-protector. Then again, Northwestern's going to the Rose Bowl. The moon must be out of whack. Chuck chucks@dgii.com From chucks@postman.dgii.com Wed Nov 29 08:59:07 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:59:05 -0600; AA12301 Received: from digibd.dgii.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:59:04 -0600 Received: from shogun.dgii.com by dgii.com with SMTP (8.6.10/DBI-1.19) id OAA00627; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:58:31 GMT Received: by shogun.dgii.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30BC7531@shogun.dgii.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:58:57 C From: Chuck Sackett To: Badger Sports List Subject: Bennett/Homestead (was: All State Teams) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:04:00 C Message-Id: <30BC7531@shogun.dgii.com> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Oh come on. How can you base Bennett's recruting ability on how he >has done with Homestead players? Hisle and Peterson were completely >overrated, Preston's OK, and Johnson is a marginal DI player at best. >I think he did just fine with the players he did recruit. Exactly. Maybe that just emphasizes Bennett's ability to judge talent. Perhaps he didn't feel that any of these high school players would develop into good college players in the first place. I'd say that given the school he was at, the conference they were in and the recognition that UWGB would receive, Bennett did an awful lot with what he had to work with. Chuck chucks@dgii.com From kathyl@mail.soemadison.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 09:27:43 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:27:41 -0600; AA12652 Received: from wigate.nic.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:27:40 -0600 Received: from mail.soemadison.wisc.edu by wigate.nic.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:27 CDT Message-Id: <30BC7BED.CE32.50D9.000@mail.soemadison.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:26:00 -600 From: "Kathy Lewinski" Reply-To: kathyl@mail.soemadison.wisc.edu Subject: Officials -Reply To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu, saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 4.04b - 1032 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I wonder whether Skiles is a relation to a great player at Mich. State several years ago--Scott Skiles? Maybe Steve could get a few lessons! >>> Brian Saunders 11/28/95, 10:59pm >>> Just for those of you that were at the game and agreed with me: Officials: Tom Oneil, Steve Skiles, Tom Hutchinson. Clip these, and save them in a file. :^) Brian From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Wed Nov 29 10:07:53 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:07:49 -0600; AA13181 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:07:46 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:08:00 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 11:12:48 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 11:12:45 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:12:38 GMT-5 Subject: Re: OK, who's the moron? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1E489652E47@amber.indstate.edu> > So what's the word in Madison these days? Besides having a scoring punch > that's equivalent to a 17-year old with zits and a pocket-protector....and a > defense that's got more holes than the '95 Chicago Bears.........just what's > going on? This will be the first Badger hockey team that I can remember that > finishes with less than 20 wins. Have the mobs started calling for Sauer's > head yet? A couple people I talked to last weekend think that the next Badger hockey coach is across town gathering experience at the Madison Monsters and that it is only a matter of time before Sauer is ousted for this guy. That coach is....Mark Johnson. Son-of-Badger Bob. I don't know, just a rumor. Anyway, has anyone else noticed that since that "unfortunate incident" at the NCAA Finals in 1992, that Badger recruting, as well as its winning percentage, has gone south? That may have hurt the program more than many of us realize. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 10:11:13 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:11:11 -0600; AA13205 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:11:09 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB12333; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:11:45 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129092508.2688; 29 Nov 95 10:10:38 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:24:16 CST Subject: re: Bevell's injury Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Any Badger football fan who's been on the planet we call Earth understands what Darrell Bevell meant to Wisconsin football during his career. If people didn't want to cheer or clap for him when he was introduced before the Illinois game that's their right, but pretty silly when you consider the whole picture. What really bothers me about Badger football is Barry's predictions. I wish he'd stay out of the predicting business. Earlier this year he said the team would get better with each game. After the Illinois game he says the team failed to improve much after OSU. Then he went on to say that he thinks we're gonna have "one heck of a team next year". The predictions really bother me. Leave the predictions for the media and for the fans. Next year's team will not be better simply because most of the starter's will be back. If the strategy going into a game, the willingness to change if it's not working and the execution during the game don't improve, we're looking at another sub-par performance. The best thing for this team is open competition at most of the starter spots, spare the guys like Saleh, Monty, Wunsch and a few others who did have good years. Take the o-line for example; open up the competition there and see if one or more of the redshirted freshman can push a starter. (By the way, I've seen Aaron Gibson, the NCAA Clearinghouse casualty twice in the last couple of weeks. HE"S HUGE!! Yesterday I saw him on Dayton Street riding his moped. DO NOT buy his moped if you see it for sale?--It was crying for help as he went by. I wish these guys wouldn't ride their mopeds in the snow and ice.) The other competition you have to have next year is for kicker and punter. John Hall does not deserve to be the automatic choice next year as kicker. The ability to hit a 60 yard field goal is invaluable. But his record on so called chippies is just horrible. There's no excuse for missing the short ones as often as he does. - Dave From tdmilews@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 10:29:27 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:29:25 -0600; AA13313 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:29:24 -0600 Received: from F181-195.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id KAA92595; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:29:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:29:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199511291629.KAA92595@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tdmilews@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: "Todd D. Milewski" Subject: Re: OK, who's the moron? At 09:51 AM 11/29/95 C, you wrote: > >>In the WMEB Media Poll for hockey, Wisconsin got one top-10 vote. Normally, >>this isn't a big deal, but from a 2-9-1 team, it is quite a surprise. > >Maybe Bill Howard qualifies as media. > >So what's the word in Madison these days? Besides having a scoring punch >that's equivalent to a 17-year old with zits and a pocket-protector....and a >defense that's got more holes than the '95 Chicago Bears.........just what's >going on? This will be the first Badger hockey team that I can remember that >finishes with less than 20 wins. Have the mobs started calling for Sauer's >head yet? I really don't want Sauer to leave, but I'm starting to think that maybe he's lost his ability to teach the game, which is what the squad lacks. >From watching the games against Michigan and Michigan St., it looks like they haven't been taught the real essential keys to the game. One of these things is how to clear a guy from standing two feet in front of your goaltender. I could probably have scored on a lot of the opportunities UM and MSU got from the crease. Daubenspeck is really giving his all in nets, but without a defense, there's not a lot he can do. >The Badgers better put a cheesehead over their faces and get ready for the >crash. It's coming. I think that one period this last weekend symbolized the season so far. The second period against MSU was just horrible. We were leading (I think 2-0) going in, and we came out trailing (I think 4-2 or 4-3). The team just collapsed. Stupid penalties didn't help, either. But, with 6 games in a row at home, we should be able to pull some wins out. If we don't get 4 points against Michigan Tech this weekend, there's no way we'll be able to turn it around. >All of the idiots up here in Minneapolis are saying "this could be the year >the Gophers win it all." I just smile and laugh. They've got about as much >chance as that 17-year old with the pocket-protector. Then again, >Northwestern's going to the Rose Bowl. The moon must be out of whack. Don't the idiots say, "this could be the year the Gophers win it all" every year, about every team (well, maybe except football)? By the way, am I the only one that finds the "M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A-Minnesota-Minnesota-Heyyyy Gophers!" chant annoying? My brother tells me that the band plays their fight song practically after every first down at football games, and I know they play it after goals at hockey games. Maybe it's some plot to educate the illiterate of Minnesota as to how to spell their state's name. Just my $.02, Todd D. Milewski tdmilews@students.wisc.edu Cardinal News Madison Bureau Chief Does anyone have any suggestions for a quote here? From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 10:39:53 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:39:52 -0600; AA13360 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:39:50 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB12567; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:39:23 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129094059.9248; 29 Nov 95 10:38:15 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:39:48 CST Subject: The Samuel onslaught Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) The thing that bothered me about what happened after Samuel took over against Illinois was that the Badgers were not able to do the things that other college and pro teams do when you know the blitz is coming. Why in the world didn't we fire quick slants to Simmons or Hayes. A simple two step drop and bullet from Samuel to a receiver beats the blitz and keeps the Illini back on their heels. Do we have the quick slant in our playbook? Do we have any other plays than the four or five we see every Saturday? The other thing about the blitz.....was the missing two step drop and loft down the sidelines to Simmons or Hayes. They didn't try it until their final play!! What are the coaches thinking? Hayes is 6'5", put the ball anywhere near him and he's gonna outjump the cover man. No need to heave it 30 or 40 yards downfield like Mike did on that last play either, he doesn't have to catch it in stride, all he has to do is have a chance to outjump the corner or draw a flag in the process. When you come with the blitz as heavy as Illinois did you're taking a huge risk and the Badgers blew a golden opportunity with their talent at wide receiver to take advantage of it. - Dave From Lls52@aol.com Wed Nov 29 10:54:18 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:54:17 -0600; AA13399 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:54:15 -0600 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA17021 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:54:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:54:14 -0500 From: Lls52@aol.com Message-Id: <951129115409_38058655@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule pbeckert asked for this year's schedule. Here goes for games remaining (all times Central): Dec 2 Temple, 1 pm Dec 6 @ Wright State, 6:35 pm Dec 9 St. Bonaventure, 3:30 pm Dec 11 @ Providence, TBA Dec 14 Valpariso, 7 pm Dec 23 UW-Milwaukee, 12:30 pm Dec 28 Eastern Illinois, 7 pm Dec 31 Marquette, TBA Jan 3 Michigan, 7pm Jan 7 @ Penn State, 1 pm Jan 10 @ Indiana, 7 pm Jan 13 Iowa, 3:30 pm Jan 17 Michigan State, 7 pm Jan 20 @ Northwestern, 1:15 pm Jan 24 Minnesota, 7 pm Jan 31 @ Ohio State (ESPN2), 6:30 pm Feb 3 @ Illinois, 3:30 pm Feb 7 Purdue, 7 pm Feb 10 Ohio State, 1:15 pm Feb 17 @ Minnesota, 1:15 pm Feb 22 Northwestern (ESPN), 6:30 pm Feb 24 @ Michigan State, 11 am Feb 28 @ Iowa, 7 pm Mar 2 Indiana, 3:30 pm Mar 6 Penn State, 7 pm Mar 9 @ Michigan, TBA Hope this helps! From jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Nov 29 11:53:08 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:53:07 -0600; AA14179 Received: from tiberium.circ.gwu.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:53:05 -0600 Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.252]) by tiberium.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA24400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:52:35 -0500 Received: (from jnrosen@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA01769; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:53:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy N Rosen Subject: hockey To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII People are calling for Jeff Sauer's head a bit quickly, I think. The team is definitely having an off year. However, he's obviously been doing something right to get so many 20 win seasons in a row. A bad year with a young team should not cost him his job. Now if he has a few bad years in a row, then you might start wondering, but not yet. ---Jeremy Rosen "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."---Margaret Mead jnrosen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu 4507 N. Washington Boulevard #2 Arlington, VA. 22201 (703)516-9846 From daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com Wed Nov 29 12:37:00 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:36:58 -0600; AA14638 Received: from guppy.idss.nwa.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:36:52 -0600 Received: from thor.techops.nwa.com by guppy.idss.nwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0tKrN6-00002MC; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:36 CST Received: from daheuer.techops.nwa.com by thor.techops.nwa.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12701; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:16:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:16:21 -0600 Message-Id: <9511291816.AA12701@thor.techops.nwa.com> X-Sender: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com (Doug Heuer) Subject: Todd Wilson X-Mailer: Does anybody know the injury status of Todd Wilson, the mens soccer goalkeeper? He injured his elbow last Sunday in the UW / W&M game. Is he expected to play against SMU on Sunday? With the victory over W&M, the Badgers advance to play at Southern Methodist in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Championship in Dallas on Sunday. Thanks, Doug. From bnotto@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 12:39:21 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:39:19 -0600; AA14656 Received: from wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:39:17 -0600 Received: by wisc.edu; id AA05242; 5.57/37; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:44:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:44:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9511291844.AA05242@wisc.edu> X-Sender: bnotto@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bucky Badger s followers From: bnotto@students.wisc.edu (Brent N. Otto) Subject: All-Big Ten team X-Mailer: I have heard that Tarek Saleh was named All-Big Ten, but I never found out the complete team listing. Could someone post the All-Big Ten teams or give me a website where I could find that information? Thank you. Brent N. Otto From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 12:39:27 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:39:25 -0600; AA14662 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:39:24 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21422; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:39:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:39:23 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511291839.AA21422@io.che.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: GOOD football news Former Badger and current New York Jet Chad Cascadden was named the AFC Special Teams Player-of-the-week. I have no details as to why he got the award, other than the fact that the Jets defeated Seattle. He must have made some big tackles, caused a fumble, or recovered a fumble. At any rate, good for Chad. Brian From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Wed Nov 29 12:44:46 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:44:44 -0600; AA14674 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:44:40 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:43:07 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:47:55 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:42:59 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:42:50 GMT-5 Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1E70A695DAA@amber.indstate.edu> > pbeckert asked for this year's schedule. Here goes for games remaining (all > times Central): > (some games deleted > Dec 31 Marquette, TBA Obviously the reason there hasn't been a time set for this game is because UW doesn't want to many fans around when Marquette comes into town and leaves with a twenty-point victory!!! (Sorry, I have to occasionally let this list know that I am a Marquette alum.) :-) Jon (MU '91) *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Wed Nov 29 12:46:38 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:46:36 -0600; AA14695 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:46:34 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:46:48 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:51:36 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:49:36 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:49:27 GMT-5 Subject: Hockey (was Re: OK, who's the moron?) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1E726A70002@amber.indstate.edu> > I really don't want Sauer to leave, but I'm starting to think that maybe > he's lost his ability to teach the game, which is what the squad lacks. > >From watching the games against Michigan and Michigan St., it looks like > they haven't been taught the real essential keys to the game. One of these > things is how to clear a guy from standing two feet in front of your > goaltender. I could probably have scored on a lot of the opportunities UM > and MSU got from the crease. Daubenspeck is really giving his all in nets, > but without a defense, there's not a lot he can do. This is ALWAYS what I have said about Sauer! He doesn't teach the basics very well. The first season he came to town, my father about had a fit when players started to make passes in front of the net and when they started to take penalties. Unless players create their own "internal chemistry" they don't seem to win. I do have a question. Do people really care about hockey anymore? I mean, when I was growing up in Madison in the early to mid 1980s, hockey was king. Football and basketball simply stunk, and the best crowds and best sporting events were taking place at the Great Dane. Is there still that aura around hockey games these days? I havn't been to a game in over five years, and I now live in Indiana, so it's hard for me to tell. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Wed Nov 29 12:50:58 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:50:56 -0600; AA14733 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:50:53 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:51:06 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:55:54 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 29 Nov 95 13:55:24 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:55:18 GMT-5 Subject: Re: The Samuel onslaught Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1E73F736AA5@amber.indstate.edu> > Why in the world didn't we fire quick slants to Simmons or Hayes. A > simple two step drop and bullet from Samuel to a receiver beats the > blitz and keeps the Illini back on their heels. Do we have the quick > slant in our playbook? Do we have any other plays than the four or > five we see every Saturday? Ooo...that stings!! > > The other thing about the blitz.....was the missing two step drop and > loft down the sidelines to Simmons or Hayes. They didn't try it > until their final play!! What are the coaches thinking? Hayes > is 6'5", put the ball anywhere near him and he's gonna outjump the > cover man. No need to heave it 30 or 40 yards downfield like Mike > did on that last play either, he doesn't have to catch it in stride, > all he has to do is have a chance to outjump the corner or draw a > flag in the process. > > When you come with the blitz as heavy as Illinois did you're taking > a huge risk and the Badgers blew a golden opportunity with their talent > at wide receiver to take advantage of it. Bingo! That is what I have said all along. All they needed was about 30 yards when Samuel came in - something they could have easilly accomplished given the right plays. Wisconsin's offense is unimaginative and predictable. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From Sippycable@aol.com Wed Nov 29 13:07:07 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:07:00 -0600; AA14875 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:06:57 -0600 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15899 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:06:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:06:57 -0500 From: Sippycable@aol.com Message-Id: <951129140656_119988786@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Chad Cascadden Chad Cascadden of the New York Jets was named AFC Special Teams Player of the Week last week for his stellar performance against Seattle. He had 5 special teams tackles, including 3 on Joey Galloway. He was all over the field on KO's and punts. It seemed like his name was called every time. The coaching staff really likes him and there were some light comparisons to Steve Tasker last week. Not yer, but Cascadden was playing like that last week. From 71202.3230@compuserve.com Wed Nov 29 13:11:58 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:11:52 -0600; AA14996 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:11:48 -0600 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA20536; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:11:46 -0500 Date: 29 Nov 95 14:10:22 EST From: Jonathan Newlander <71202.3230@compuserve.com> To: bucky followers Subject: Future Badgers Message-Id: <951129191022_71202.3230_GHL113-1@CompuServe.COM> As near as I can tell, the current football recruiting class stands at 10. Those I know of are as follows: Ron Dayne 5'10", 255, 4.5 RB (VERY VERY VERY highly touted) Scott Kavanagh 6'4", 200 QB (highly touted) Mike Solwold 6'6", 235, 4.55 TE (very highly touted) Joe Grabowski 6'6", 300 G Casey Rubach 6'5", 265 G/DE Ross Kolodziej 6'6", 300 G/DT Chris Ghidorzi 6'3", 235 LB Josh Dickerson 6'2", 180, 4.4 WR Chris Pickett 6'7", 252 G/T Onjai Bryant RB/DB (high school team-mate of Dayne) Does anyone know of others I left off? From lindeemb@uwec.edu Wed Nov 29 13:30:07 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:30:03 -0600; AA15193 Received: from mail01.uwec.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:30:01 -0600 Received: from [137.28.216.62] by mail01.uwec.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:28:28 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:30:53 +0900 To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: Michael Bruce Lindeen Subject: Calm down! >A couple people I talked to last weekend think that the next Badger >hockey coach is across town gathering experience at the Madison >Monsters and that it is only a matter of time before Sauer is ousted >for this guy. > >That coach is....Mark Johnson. Son-of-Badger Bob. I don't know, >just a rumor. > >Anyway, has anyone else noticed that since that "unfortunate >incident" at the NCAA Finals in 1992, that Badger recruting, as well >as its winning percentage, has gone south? That may have hurt the >program more than many of us realize. Sometimes, this list can really be disgusting, you know? 13 winning seasons. Then ONE, count it, ONE bad one (so far) and you already want his head on a platter!!! Sometimes this list is worse than most sports talk shows! Let get Bill Brophe and Mike Lucas on here and get it over with, huh? So, they are having an off year. I'd say that they are due. Their last losing season was in the mid- 70's when Bob Johnson took a year off to coach the US hockey team. They'll be back. The loss of Jim Carrey is what led to these problems. He would be a senior this year. Daubenspeck just ain't it. Just don't blame the coach. Bad seasons happen, even to the hockey Badgers. Peace From JBARRETT@sjulaw.stjohns.edu Wed Nov 29 13:50:47 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:50:45 -0600; AA15290 Received: from SJUVM.stjohns.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:50:43 -0600 Received: from sjulaw.stjohns.edu by SJUVM.stjohns.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:50:01 EST Received: from SJULAW/MERCURYQ by sjulaw.stjohns.edu (Mercury 1.12); Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:52:02 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by SJULAW (Mercury 1.12); Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:51:29 EST From: "John Q. Barrett" Organization: StJohns Law School To: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" , bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:51:24 EST Subject: Cheers for Bevell Cc: johnl.preston*dcpo@prestongates.com, scott_woroch%westin@notes.worldcom.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: "John Q. Barrett" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <46FD1A85EDA@sjulaw.stjohns.edu> Dave Luciani, CE Video wrote: > Any Badger football fan who's been on the planet we call Earth understands > what Darrell Bevell meant to Wisconsin football during his career. > If people didn't want to cheer or clap for him when he was introduced > before the Illinois game that's their right, but pretty silly when > you consider the whole picture. .... [snip] I may have missed something, but here's what I saw and heard at the game Saturday: As each senior was introduced and jogged to midfield to meet his parents or whatever, the crowd cheered (and the people around me in section HH turned to each other and made comments like "Never played a down," "Never had to wash that uniform," "He actually played," "Not much of a career, but won the Penn State game," etc.). When the final senior came into view and the announcer said "Number 11....," the crowd roared and stood and kept cheering for at least a minute as Bevell hugged his wife and parents at midfield. In other words, the crowd gave Bevell the recognition and affection that he so obviously earned during his career. The outrage is that Alvarez et al. let Bevell go back into the game repeatedly when he was obviously hurt and, on the sidelines between possessions, puking his guts out into a trash can next to the bench. On Bevell's final series, the Badgers, who were approaching midfield, had to call pathetic, easily stuffed running plays on first and second down because he obviously could not throw. Samuel then came in and dropped the snap on third down, completing the momentum swing to Illinois. It was bad coaching and physically cruel to let Bevell keep going as long as they did. JQB From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 14:09:25 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:09:23 -0600; AA15330 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:09:22 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AC13835; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:10:18 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129130853.4896; 29 Nov 95 14:09:10 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: Brian Saunders Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:07:31 CST Subject: re: Bevell's injury Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > Isn't Hall a senior anyway? > > Brian Brian, Unfortunately he's just a junior. It's too bad we can't be totally fired up about Hall's return. We all know how powerful his leg is. He could be one of the best kickers in the history of the Big Ten....in the Morten Anderson tradition, but he is the proverbial roller coaster. Nothing rips the heart and soul out of an offense any faster after a long drive against a stingy defense than to see a 20-35 yard field goal attempt miss. - Dave From pbeckert@interaccess.com Wed Nov 29 15:19:36 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:19:30 -0600; AA16964 Received: from flowbee.interaccess.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:19:22 -0600 Received: (from pbeckert@localhost) by flowbee.interaccess.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id PAA25890; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:09:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:09:21 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Beckert To: Badger Listserv Subject: Kicking Game Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't want to knock John Hall, because he's been a very valuable player at times, and it's comforting to know that a 60 yard last second field goal is a possibility, but Wiconsin would have finished 6 and 5 had Hall made easy field goals against Stanford and Illinois. Had he not missed these two fairly routine chances, we'd all be analyzing UW's chances in the whatever bowl instead of wondering if they're capable of a decent season next year. Phil Beckert From tdmilews@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 15:21:21 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:21:18 -0600; AA17029 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:21:17 -0600 Received: from F182-093.net.wisc.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id PAA22095; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:21:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:21:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199511292121.PAA22095@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tdmilews@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: "Todd D. Milewski" Subject: Re: Hockey >I do have a question. Do people really care about hockey anymore? I >mean, when I was growing up in Madison in the early to mid 1980s, >hockey was king. Football and basketball simply stunk, and the best >crowds and best sporting events were taking place at the Great Dane. > >Is there still that aura around hockey games these days? I havn't >been to a game in over five years, and I now live in Indiana, so it's >hard for me to tell. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be the same mystique with the hockey team as I remember when I was younger. The only thing that remains is the best band in the land. I remember when you couldn't get a seat for any game for less than $20. Now, the student section isn't even sold out, and there's usually some good seats left at the box office. I love watching Badger Hockey, no matter how bad the team is. The bad thing is that no one seems to care until they get far into the playoffs (which may not happen this year). I certainly hope hockey makes a comeback here before I graduate. Todd D. Milewski tdmilews@students.wisc.edu Cardinal News Madison Bureau Chief Does anyone have any suggestions for a quote here? From smithrh@cig.mot.com Wed Nov 29 15:35:42 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:35:39 -0600; AA17280 Received: from motgate.mot.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:35:38 -0600 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.7.1/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA25085 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com (po_box.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.5]) by pobox.mot.com (8.7.1/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id PAA05816 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199511292135.QAA24133@po_box.cig.mot.com> Received: (smithrh@localhost) by clambake.cig.mot.com (8.6.11/SCERG-1.12C) id PAA05320 for bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:34 -0600 From: "Randall H. Smith" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Hockey (was Re: OK, who's the moron?) I don't know what's happening out at the Great Dane, but the "showcase" (it apparently wasn't a tournament) was attended sparsely, especially in comparision to past UW hockey events at the Bradley Center. I hear rumors that the games in Madison are no longer sold out. Obviously, the basketball and football programs have totally overshadowed hockey. Hockey *was* the only competitive sport in town - basketball was a joke and football was a big party. As for Sauer, back when I was at the U (long long time ago), I know that the players had no respect for him at all. ] They would even make their own lines in some situations, fer chrissakes. Recruiting has always been good, not necessarily due to Sauer, but rather the past performance of the team. That's mainly how Sauer has been able to ride on Bob Johnson's shoulders for lo, 14 years? If the wheels come off of this team, look out. I for one would really like to see a fresh face in there that players could look up to, and perhaps fear a little. Randy (OK, class of '86) From bresinmp@adam.cs.uwec.edu Wed Nov 29 15:36:18 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:36:16 -0600; AA17286 Received: from adam.cs.uwec.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:36:14 -0600 Received: by adam.cs.uwec.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/17Aug95-1218PM) id AA08062; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:37:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:37:01 -0600 (CST) From: MICHAEL BRESINA To: "Todd D. Milewski" Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: OK, who's the moron? In-Reply-To: <199511291629.KAA92595@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Todd D. Milewski wrote: > Don't the idiots say, "this could be the year the Gophers win it all" every > year, about every team (well, maybe except football)? By the way, am I the > only one that finds the "M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A-Minnesota-Minnesota-Heyyyy > Gophers!" chant annoying? My brother tells me that the band plays their > fight song practically after every first down at football games, and I know > they play it after goals at hockey games. Maybe it's some plot to educate > the illiterate of Minnesota as to how to spell their state's name. Perhaps they want to insure that their players learn SOMETHING from their four-year stay. :) +-----------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Michael Patrick Bresina | America's always had a problem | | bresinmp@adam.cs.uwec.edu | with illegal aliens. Ask any Indian. | +-----------------------------+----------------------------------------+ "He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see." -- Trent Reznor From scschell@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 15:49:59 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:49:56 -0600; AA17390 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:49:54 -0600 Received: from [144.92.181.168] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id PAA37277; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:47:50 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:49:12 CST From: "Scott" Sender: scschell@students.wisc.edu Reply-To: scschell@students.wisc.edu Message-Id: <56954.scschell@students.wisc.edu> To: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: RE: Todd Wilson >Does anybody know the injury status of Todd Wilson, the mens soccer >goalkeeper? He injured his elbow last Sunday in the UW / W&M game. Is he >expected to play against SMU on Sunday? > >With the victory over W&M, the Badgers advance to play at Southern Methodist >in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Championship in Dallas on Sunday. > >Thanks, Doug. Wilson, the NCAA leader in Goals Against Average at .49, will miss Saturday's game. That's all I know for now. Scott. From scschell@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 15:50:26 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:50:24 -0600; AA17400 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:50:23 -0600 Received: from [144.92.181.168] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id PAA29057; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:50:19 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:51:38 CST From: "Scott" Sender: scschell@students.wisc.edu Reply-To: scschell@students.wisc.edu Message-Id: <57104.scschell@students.wisc.edu> To: JBARRETT@sjulaw.stjohns.edu Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: RE: Cheers for Bevell >The outrage is that Alvarez et al. let Bevell go back into the game >repeatedly when he was obviously hurt and, on the sidelines between >possessions, puking his guts out into a trash can next to the bench. Barry and co. could have forced Bevell to leave the game for his own good, but he would have been very upset at them. He was refusing to leave the game until it got so bad he couldn't stand. >to Illinois. It was bad coaching and physically cruel to let Bevell >keep going as long as they did. Umm...See above Scott. From chucks@postman.dgii.com Wed Nov 29 15:51:32 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:51:30 -0600; AA17412 Received: from digibd.dgii.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:51:22 -0600 Received: from shogun.dgii.com by dgii.com with SMTP (8.6.10/DBI-1.19) id VAA12692; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:50:48 GMT Received: by shogun.dgii.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30BCD5D2@shogun.dgii.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:51:14 C From: Chuck Sackett To: Badger Sports List Subject: Re: Calm down! Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:59:00 C Message-Id: <30BCD5D2@shogun.dgii.com> Encoding: 63 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Sometimes, this list can really be disgusting, you know? 13 winning >seasons. Then ONE, count it, ONE bad one (so far) and you already want his >head on a platter!!! Sometimes this list is worse than most sports talk >shows! Let get Bill Brophe and Mike Lucas on here and get it over with, >huh? So, they are having an off year. I'd say that they are due. Their last >losing season was in the mid- 70's when Bob Johnson took a year off to >coach the US hockey team. They'll be back. The loss of Jim Carrey is what >led to these problems. He would be a senior this year. Daubenspeck just >ain't it. Just don't blame the coach. Bad seasons happen, even to the >hockey Badgers. Peace Whoooaaaa there Mike. Ain't no one getting out of control here except you. No one on this list was calling for Jeff Sauer's head. The only references to his job security were relating to the feelings of some people in and around Madison. I think that we can all agree that Jeff Sauer has had great success, but many of us feel that he lacks certain things that are necessary to coaching (i.e. control of his players). The remarks about Mark Johnson becoming the next Badger coach were nothing more than speculation about what would happen AFTER Jeff Sauer. When the son of a legend is coaching a minor league team in town.....the speculation is inevitable. Jon WAS NOT saying that Johnson should replace Sauer. He was simply stating what others have said will EVENTUALLY happen. Face it. Jeff Sauer's been around a long time. Who knows how long he wants to coach? I've often felt that Jeff Sauer lived off of the Wisconsin name more than he did off of his abilities. We've seen many Badger teams disintegrate in recent years because of ego clashes on the team. It's a coaches duty to put a clamp on that. Jeff Sauer has never been one to put the foot down. Losing Jim Carey is not the sole reason that the Badgers are having an off year. Carey's stats were very good when he was with the Badgers, but they were not incredible. In all likelihood, he could have remained at a level where he played equal to his competition. He has risen to the occasion in the NHL, but may have become bored with college hockey and his stats could have suffered. No one can say......it's all speculation again. I think that Jon's right when he says that recruiting has suffered lately. And it's quite logical that some parents may have been so turned off by the "debacle" at the end of the '92 championship game that they will not send their kids to play for Jeff Sauer. You say that "they'll be back." I sure hope so. This year's team is definitely lacking some talent. The 1994 Badgers were not deep in talent either. That team went as far as it did because it was stocked full of overachievers and hard-working, blue-collar type players. You can only live on that for so long. Talent gets you to the dance in most instances, and it's something that the Badgers have lacked since 1992. So, please don't fly off the handle. This has come nowhere close to the lynch mob that formed for Van Gundy's head last year. The Badgers are a bad team so far and we decided to talk about it. Sure beats the hoops drivel that is getting into full gear. :) There's one thing that some people have to face on this list........the conversations that we have are just like the conversations that take place on the street and in the offices every day. It's just in a different format and many more people are involved. To expect that there will be no gossip or speculation is just plain fantasy. Later, Chuck chucks@dgii.com From chucks@postman.dgii.com Wed Nov 29 15:57:40 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:57:38 -0600; AA17463 Received: from digibd.dgii.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:57:36 -0600 Received: from shogun.dgii.com by dgii.com with SMTP (8.6.10/DBI-1.19) id VAA12918; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:57:03 GMT Received: by shogun.dgii.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30BCD749@shogun.dgii.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:57:29 C From: Chuck Sackett To: Badger Sports List Subject: Re: Cheers for Bevell Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:02:00 C Message-Id: <30BCD749@shogun.dgii.com> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >The outrage is that Alvarez et al. let Bevell go back into the game >repeatedly when he was obviously hurt......(snip)........It was bad coaching >and physically cruel to let Bevell keep going as long as they did. I guess that I just assumed that he didn't want to come out. Last game of his career and all. I think that it's a strong possibility that he didn't want to end his career on the sidelines. If that's the case, I could hardly blame the guy. Chuck chucks@dgii.com From chucks@postman.dgii.com Wed Nov 29 15:58:07 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:58:05 -0600; AA17469 Received: from digibd.dgii.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:58:04 -0600 Received: from shogun.dgii.com by dgii.com with SMTP (8.6.10/DBI-1.19) id VAA12947; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:57:31 GMT Received: by shogun.dgii.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30BCD765@shogun.dgii.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:57:57 C From: Chuck Sackett To: Badger Sports List Subject: Re: Hockey Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:05:00 C Message-Id: <30BCD765@shogun.dgii.com> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I do have a question. Do people really care about hockey anymore? I >mean, when I was growing up in Madison in the early to mid 1980s, >hockey was king. Football and basketball simply stunk, and the best >crowds and best sporting events were taking place at the Great Dane. >Is there still that aura around hockey games these days? I havn't >been to a game in over five years, and I now live in Indiana, so it's >hard for me to tell. Unfortunately, no. The games I've been to the last few years are nowhere near what they used to be. Once the football and basketball teams started getting some W's, no one cared about hockey anymore. There are even empty seats at the Great Dane. The last two seasons, no one talked hockey until the football season was over (after New Year's). Chuck chucks@dgii.com From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 16:14:28 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:14:25 -0600; AA17581 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:14:23 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA21550; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:14:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:14:21 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511292214.AA21550@io.che.wisc.edu> To: DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu, bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Hockey (was Re: OK, who's the moron?) > I do have a question. Do people really care about hockey anymore? I > mean, when I was growing up in Madison in the early to mid 1980s, > hockey was king. Football and basketball simply stunk, and the best > crowds and best sporting events were taking place at the Great Dane. > Is there still that aura around hockey games these days? I havn't > been to a game in over five years, and I now live in Indiana, so it's > hard for me to tell. >From my perspective, which is from a non-hockey fan who pays attention to how Wisconsin is doing, hockey has definitely lost its relative importance in Madison. I'd say a lot of this has to do with the football and even basketball teams increase in popularity. We don't need to go over what Barry has done for football, and although basketball is having a bit of a lull, I think that Dick Bennett is keeping the local excitement level high enough to divert some fans. I'd be even willing to bet that the improving women's basketball program is picking up fans that may have been primarily hockey fans before. I think another major factor is the increase in ticket prices for all sports. Very few people can afford to see both hockey and men's basketball these days, and some can't afford to see either of those sports if they have football tickets. Sports that were free a few years ago now cost money to see. People have to choose their sport, and I think hockey is losing a lot of fans because of that. I haven't heard anything about ticket sale problems at the Dane County Coliseum, but I do hear a lot less hockey talk now than I did when I got here five years ago. Of course, if the team were winning, I think the bandwagon would swell back up a little again. :^) Brian From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 16:37:26 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:37:22 -0600; AA17860 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:37:20 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB14592; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:38:15 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129155901.4864; 29 Nov 95 16:37:07 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: lindeemb@uwec.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:57:53 CST Subject: Re: Calm down! Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > Sometimes, this list can really be disgusting, you know? 13 winning > seasons. Then ONE, count it, ONE bad one (so far) and you already want his > head on a platter!!! Sometimes this list is worse than most sports talk > shows! Let get Bill Brophe and Mike Lucas on here and get it over with, > huh? So, they are having an off year. I'd say that they are due. Their last > losing season was in the mid- 70's when Bob Johnson took a year off to > coach the US hockey team. They'll be back. The loss of Jim Carrey is what > led to these problems. He would be a senior this year. Daubenspeck just > ain't it. Just don't blame the coach. Bad seasons happen, even to the > hockey Badgers. Peace > > You certainly can't deny the fact that Sauer and Company have been getting out recruited the past few years by several teams in the WCHA and the CCHA. Many of the top college hockey programs have lost underclassmen to the pros, that's the nature of the game these days and has been for several years now. I'm not passing judgment on the coaching staff for any other reason than average to worse than average recruiting. You expect drop offs from time to time, but not to the degree the Badgers are experiencing this year, not at Wisconsin anyway. I've known Jeff Sauer on a professional basis for ten years. He's a good coach. But he's not getting the talent to wear the red and white that he was five to ten years ago. - Dave From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 16:37:31 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:37:28 -0600; AA17868 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:37:27 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB14592; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:38:33 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129160108.640; 29 Nov 95 16:37:25 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:59:30 CST Subject: Bevell Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) >When the final senior came into view and the announcer said "Number > 11....," the crowd roared and stood and kept cheering for at least a > minute as Bevell hugged his wife and parents at midfield. In other > words, the crowd gave Bevell the recognition and affection that he > so obviously earned during his career. > I wish everybody would have cheered. I have seats in section A and there were "a few" people around who weren't cheering--but to hell with them, it's a free country and that's their right! Almost everybody acknowledged Bev's contributions and it was good to see. > The outrage is that Alvarez et al. let Bevell go back into the game > repeatedly when he was obviously hurt and, on the sidelines between > possessions, puking his guts out into a trash can next to the bench. > On Bevell's final series, the Badgers, who were approaching midfield, > had to call pathetic, easily stuffed running plays on first and > second down because he obviously could not throw. Samuel then came > in and dropped the snap on third down, completing the momentum swing > to Illinois. It was bad coaching and physically cruel to let Bevell > keep going as long as they did. That's something that really pissed me off, especially when I read Barry's quotes the next day.....something to the affect of Bev being a hard nosed kid who had to be dragged off the field. Give me a break!! His teammates knew how badly he was hurt! The coaches and trainers and everyone else knew how badly he was hurt! Even folks like me tucked back into the back rows of the stadium could see he was hurt badly. Barry should've taken him out of the game. Sure he wanted to stay in, but there's alot of things more important in life than football, you don't take chances in that situation. The medical personnel who attended to Bev on the sidelines were guessing he had bruised ribs, maybe worse, yet they still gave him clearance to go back into the game series after series. That was wrong! I was shocked later Saturday night to find out Bevell was in serious condition in the intensive care unit. Barry should not have allowed Bevell to go back on the field when his medical staff gave him their opinion. - Dave From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 16:38:13 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:38:11 -0600; AA17892 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:38:09 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB14592; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:39:15 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129161501.2048; 29 Nov 95 16:38:07 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:13:23 CST Subject: football recruiting Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Like many of you, I too am excited by the Badgers' early recruiting results but I have a question.......If Barry has already told Ron Dayne that he will play tailback next season, and guys like Tom Lemming believe Dayne can be a significant contributor as a pure freshman, where does this leave guys like Carl McCullough, Aaron Stecker, Tirrell Robinson and the other lightning quick back that redshirted this year who's name escapes me? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy as a hog in mud to know that Ron Dayne wants to be a Badger, I just want to know what they're going to do with the unusually long list of quality tailbacks AND fullbacks they currently have on the roster. You certainly can't make a career out of a couple of promising runs here and there but let's not forget about the promising future of John Waerig. The other question I have about recruiting concerns the defensive line. Most of us agree that was a very weak link this year, especially after the OSU game. But who do they have on the roster to replace the likes of Yocum and Maniecki? Jason was the only horse on the d-line this year, Tarek Saleh is a linebacker in a defensive end's position, but Jurewicz and Spiller are too light to play tackle in the Big Ten. Is 235 pound Azree Commander gonna play DT next year? Who's gonna play inside? Tom Burke shows plenty of promise and the coaching staff is very high on Rob Roell, a freshman who redshirted this year, but both of those guys are in the 240-250 range. You have to be extremely quick and strong (remember Lamark Shackerford) to play that light at DT in the Big Ten, and get away with it. One thing's for sure, Barry's got his work cut out for him when it comes to the d-line next year. Tarek Saleh is special, but the other folks seem to be pretty average. - Dave From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Wed Nov 29 16:39:40 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:39:39 -0600; AA17903 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:39:37 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AB14592; 4.1/42; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:40:27 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951129161709.3200; 29 Nov 95 16:39:19 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: Sippycable@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:15:57 CST Subject: Re: Chad Cascadden Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > Chad Cascadden of the New York Jets was named AFC Special Teams Player of the > Week last week for his stellar performance against Seattle. He had 5 special > teams tackles, including 3 on Joey Galloway. He was all over the field on > KO's and punts. It seemed like his name was called every time. The coaching > staff really likes him and there were some light comparisons to Steve Tasker > last week. Not yer, but Cascadden was playing like that last week. Stories like Chad Cascadden make you feel good inside. From walk-on with the Badgers to Special Teams Player of the Week with the New York Jets. That's beautiful! - Dave From daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com Wed Nov 29 17:13:20 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:13:18 -0600; AA18855 Received: from guppy.idss.nwa.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:13:15 -0600 Received: from thor.techops.nwa.com by guppy.idss.nwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0tKvge-00002MC; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:13 CST Received: from daheuer.techops.nwa.com by thor.techops.nwa.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06372; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:52:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:52:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9511292252.AA06372@thor.techops.nwa.com> X-Sender: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com (Doug Heuer) Subject: RE: Todd Wilson X-Mailer: >X-Nupop-Charset: English >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:49:12 CST >From: "Scott" >Sender: scschell@students.wisc.edu >Reply-To: scschell@students.wisc.edu >To: daheuer@thor.techops.nwa.com >Cc: bucky@cs.wisc.edu >Subject: RE: Todd Wilson > >>Does anybody know the injury status of Todd Wilson, the mens soccer >>goalkeeper? He injured his elbow last Sunday in the UW / W&M game. Is he >>expected to play against SMU on Sunday? >> >>With the victory over W&M, the Badgers advance to play at Southern Methodist >>in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Championship in Dallas on Sunday. >> >>Thanks, Doug. > >Wilson, the NCAA leader in Goals Against Average at .49, will miss >Saturday's game. That's all I know for now. > >Scott. > As you learn more, does this put Jon Belskis as starting goalkeeper? If so, what is his GAA, and has he played any amount of time this year? Surely, Laudner(sp) has to change his defensive strategy as a result. I don't know anything about SMU, but they have scored some goals against unranked teams (Tulsa, West Texas State). Their results against ranked teams have been less impressive; they beat Bowling Green and Creighton by scores of 2 - 1, and lost to Butler 2 - 1. Wisconsin lost to Creighton and Butler by 1 goal each during the season, but beat Bowling Green in round 1 of the tournament. Does anybody have the scoop on SMU? I see on: http://teton.ucs.indiana.edu/cbrenner/ncaa/tourn/home.html that the game is Sunday @ 2:00 at SMU. Does anybody know if this is televised? Thanks, Doug. From torgrude@chaph.usc.edu Wed Nov 29 17:52:56 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:52:53 -0600; AA19886 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:52:51 -0600 Received: from phakt.usc.edu (nobody@phakt.usc.edu [128.125.253.144]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA10367; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (torgrude@localhost) by phakt.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA18429; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:52:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Torgrude To: tweaver@escmail.orl.mmc.com Cc: Bucky Badger s Followers Subject: Re: OSU Game on TV In-Reply-To: <9510091739.AA27087@bowling.orl.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This response is long overdue but a lot of people have been asking about Morton. Don Morton worked in management, training, and recruiting for Lutheran Brotherhood for a few years and I believe he noe lives somewhere in Michigan. I'm not sure who he is employed with though. Jennifer From smsnyder@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 18:01:53 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:01:51 -0600; AA19949 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:01:49 -0600 Received: from [144.92.96.39] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id SAA42952; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:01:47 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:01:45 -0600 To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: smsnyder@students.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Football musings >> Defensively, we need to find a definate leader in the secondary--a la Troy >> Vincent, Scott Nelson and Jeff Messenger. Actually, this is another area >> that hasn't improved as much as I would have hoped through the past few >> years. The coach that was here when Troy Vincent was left when he did, and >> things haven't been quite as good since. > >SOUP!!! > >Seriously, I think the natural for this would be Cyrill Weems, who used to >be a QB. He seems to make quite a few big plays. > >Brian Weems big plays are most often because he's out of position in the first place, an especially good example is the interception return for a TD he had, he was beat, and the guy just missed catching the ball. Steve From smsnyder@students.wisc.edu Wed Nov 29 18:35:54 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:35:53 -0600; AA20471 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:35:51 -0600 Received: from [144.92.96.39] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id SAA82247; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:35:49 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:35:48 -0600 To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: smsnyder@students.wisc.edu Subject: RE: , Samuel, etc. > >Now to stir up discussion: is Barry gonna' fire some coaches? There were >MANY complaints this year about the offense, especially its predictability >and inflexibility. Is Childress, the offensive coordinator in trouble >(remember Russ Jacques (sp?)--he was Off Coord. for just one year when >Barry got rid of him) I agree, this question is a great way to stir up discussion. While I don't usually condone a head coach offering up sacrifices and shifting the blame I'll express my adamant opinion of one move that must be made: Fire, and run out of town, whoever the heck is the special teams coach. Anyone who knows anything about football, knows that special teams are about 95% coaching, and that's not an exageration. I won't even bother mentioning Hall's inconsistancy, more important are such things as the kickoff return team, long snapping, punting and blocking in general. There is no reason that the special team's performance throughout the year should have come as a surprise to the coaches, I can't imagine that things were wonderful in practices and what we saw week in and week out was just a fluke. More likely, some one didn't feel that the special teams were important enough to warrant practice. If that some one was Barry, I'm fearful because that attitude will prove to be costly. By my count, special teams cost us 2 games for sure, Stanford and Illinois, and most likely, Iowa and really, even Ohio State could have been a win if our special teams would have come through. Sorry this was so long, and most of you don't care about special teams, but they are a direct reflection on the coaching staff, and in the case of this year, a very bad reflection. Steve Snyder From scrowss@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 29 19:28:33 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:28:30 -0600; AA21002 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:28:27 -0600 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA20751; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:28:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:28:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199511300128.RAA20751@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: scrowss@ix.netcom.com (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin-Western Mich To: wbball-l@psuvm.psu.edu To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu To: womens-hoops@netcom.com Since I didn't go to Kalamazoo for the game, I'm copying the story that appeared in this morning's Wisc State Journal. They actually sent a reporter to the game. I don't feel bad about taking their story because the afternoon paper (which did not send a reporter) stole their story virtually word-for-word with no attribution. I have a couple of comments at the end. Quick Start Anderson's Defense leads UW to a Win By Rob Relschel Sports reporter KALAMAZOO, Mich. - The public address announcer called Keisha Anderson's name Tuesday night, and the Western Michigan pep band quickly chimed in with "Who cares?" Who cares? Here's who. Try Rachel Dobberstein. Or Greta Munger. Or Kelly DeLong And don't forget Angel White. All four tried running the Broncos' offense against Anderson's constant pressure, and all four were continuously victimized by the speed and quick hands of the University of Wisconsin point guard. Anderson forced seven steals to go along with her five assists and 21 points, and her brilliant defensive play was the overriding factor in the Badger's 83 64 season-opening thumping of the overmatched Broncos. UW forward Barb Franke scored 24 points on 11-of-13 shooting from the field and had five steals. Junior guard Katie Voigt chipped in 13 points. But it was the play of Anderson that grabbed everybody's attention. "I think Keisha changes every facet of the game," said UW coach Jane Albright-Dieterle, whose club had 17 steals. "That defensive pressure changes every possession of the game and I think Keisha was really the unsung hero of the game." Unsung? She pumped up the volume immediately, picking Dobberstein's pocket twice in the game's first 2 minutes and sending the freshman to the bench. The Broncos then tried Munger, who Anderson stripped the second time up the floor. Western then used the 6-foot-2 White, normally a forward, and DeLong the rest of the way at the point. But neither was fluent at getting the Broncos into their offense. The Broncos finished with 26 turnovers and shot 43 percent. "Keisha Anderson is one of the top point guards in the country and she controlled this _ game," said WMU coach Pat Charity, whose team slipped to 1-2. "We knew we'd have a hard time with her. She's tough." The Badgers were extremely tough defensively in the first half, forcing 14 WMU turnovers that resulted in 16 transition points. A key stretch came midway through the half, when Wisconsin went on an 11-4 run from the 11-minute, 29 second mark until 5:27 remained. The Badgers turned a 16-15 deficit into a 26-16 lead by holding WMU scoreless on nine straight possessions-five of which resulted in UW steals and two that produced nothing as Badgers center Amy Wiersma swatted shots by Broncos' leading scorer Megan Boguslawski (20 points). That helped UW lead, 37-27, at halftime. "Our defense was great all night long," said Anderson, who set the school season steals record last year. "We got a lot of points in transition after steals and didn't even set up our offense. I'd rather play like that." In the second half, many of the Badgers frontliners didn't have to play at all- at least after the first 6 minutes. Wisconsin hit the Broncos with a 16-6 run, and with 13:54 remaining, led, 53-33. That let Albright-Diteterle godeep into her bench, as 13 players saw action, 10 of whom scored Me again. Two points. First about Keisha Anderson. She really is one of the very best point guards around. I think she's at the same level as Tina Nicholson, Penn State's all-American. This is Keisha's fourth year in college (third year of eligibility). However, this is the first time that she has run the same offense two years in a row. It really shows. She's playing with a maturity and an understanding of the offense that she didn't have last year. Last year, when she scored a lot, we did not tend to play well. That doesn't seem to be true this year. The offense is flowing and the other players stay involved when Keisha gets her 15-20 points. This is a very potent offense. Second is rebounding. Wisc got outrebounded 34-31 (I'll post the boxscore in another email). The Badgers will not beat many good teams when they get outrebounded or when Barb Franke gets 2 and Ann Klapperich has 1 board. I don't know what happened and it wasn't a problem in the 2 exhibition games. I'll write it off as one of those nights, but pay attention to it in the next few games. -- Sharon Official Team Representative of the 199ahhh something Big Ten Women's Basketball Champion Wisconsin Badgers scrowss@ix.netcom.com GO BADGERS From gholt@cmotor.com Wed Nov 29 19:41:38 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:41:35 -0600; AA21087 Received: from [199.4.94.234] by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:41:32 -0600 Received: from ([192.4.200.180]) by narya.cmotor.com with SMTP id AA15239 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:35:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:35:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199511300135.AA15239@narya.cmotor.com> X-Sender: gholt@cmotor.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gholt@cmotor.com (Gannon Holt) Subject: 1992 Incident X-Mailer: Anyway, has anyone else noticed that since that "unfortunate incident" at the NCAA Finals in 1992, that Badger recruting, as well as its winning percentage, has gone south? That may have hurt the program more than many of us realize. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin What incident? I have been out in California for the last 5 years and we don't get much hockey information out here. Gannon From scrowss@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 29 19:49:23 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:49:21 -0600; AA21294 Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:49:18 -0600 Received: from by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA07047; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:49:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:49:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199511300149.RAA07047@ix.ix.netcom.com> From: scrowss@ix.netcom.com (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin-West Mich Boxscore To: wbball-l@psuvm.psu.edu To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu To: womens-hoops@netcom.com Wisconsin min fg 3p ft r pf a pt Anderson 31 8-14 1-1 4-5 3 2 5 21 Klapperich 20 3-6 0-0 0-0 1 1 0 6 Voigt 30 5-12 2-5 1-1 3 2 4 13 Cattanach 25 1-5 1-4 0-0 2 2 2 3 Franke 28 11-13 0-0 2-5 2 1 2 24 Wiersma 17 3-9 0-0 0-0 5 3 0 6 Hartwig 12 1-1 0-0 0-0 3 0 0 2 Rhodes 11 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 2 1 0 Boston 14 1-4 0-1 2-3 3 1 1 4 Dillon 4 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 0 Riemer 3 1-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 2 Winkler 4 1-2 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 2 Burkholder 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 1 0 Total 200 35-67 4-11 9-12 31 18 18 83 Western Michigan m fg 3p ft r pf a pt White 35 7-13 1-1 2-5 6 0 3 17 Dobbetstein 11 1-1 0-0 0-0 0 3 0 2 Boguslawski 38 8-14 0-0 4-6 11 4 1 20 DeLong 36 3-8 2-5 7-10 4 2 3 16 Wearzyn 34 0-6 0-3 6-6 2 3 1 6 Munger 9 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 Burton 18 0-0 0-0 0-0 4 2 1 0 Harrelson 17 1-3 0-0 1-2 1 1 0 3 Dahlke 2 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 Total 200 20-46 3-9 20-29 34 16 9 64 Turnovers Wi 17 West Mi 26 Technicals none Attendance 181 -- Sharon Official Team Representative of the 199ahhh something Big Ten Women's Basketball Champion Wisconsin Badgers scrowss@ix.netcom.com GO BADGERS From gholt@cmotor.com Wed Nov 29 19:51:40 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:51:37 -0600; AA21319 Received: from [199.4.94.234] by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 19:51:34 -0600 Received: from ([192.4.200.180]) by narya.cmotor.com with SMTP id AA15350 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:45:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:45:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199511300145.AA15350@narya.cmotor.com> X-Sender: gholt@cmotor.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gholt@cmotor.com (Gannon Holt) Subject: Bevell X-Mailer: A couple of thoughts: I doubt Alvarez forced Bevell back into the game injured. My guess is that Bevell requested it or pushed for it. Sure, it is the coach's job not to give in to that in order to protect their players but it was Bevell's last game, he did tons for UW football, his family was there, etc... I have a feeling Bevell had more say in the decision than anyone else. Just a guess. Gannon From gholt@cmotor.com Wed Nov 29 20:07:16 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 20:07:14 -0600; AA21414 Received: from [199.4.94.234] by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 20:07:11 -0600 Received: from ([192.4.200.180]) by narya.cmotor.com with SMTP id AA15588 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:00:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:00:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199511300200.AA15588@narya.cmotor.com> X-Sender: gholt@cmotor.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gholt@cmotor.com (Gannon Holt) Subject: Women's Hoop X-Mailer: Second is rebounding. Wisc got outrebounded 34-31 (I'll post the boxscore in another email). The Badgers will not beat many good teams when they get outrebounded or when Barb Franke gets 2 and Ann Klapperich has 1 board. I don't know what happened and it wasn't a problem in the 2 exhibition games. I'll write it off as one of those nights, but pay attention to it in the next few games. -- Sharon I have a feeling it may have been because they were winning so handily. The intensity level that has to be there to get rebounds isn't all there when you are up big in a game. Gannon From gort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Wed Nov 29 21:30:08 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:30:06 -0600; AA22176 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:30:03 -0600 Received: from [128.174.75.12] (maloy.life.uiuc.edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11174 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:29:58 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:30:03 -0600 To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: gort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Gort) Subject: next year and Re: football recruiting Dave Luciani writes: >Like many of you, I too am excited by the Badgers' early recruiting >results but I have a question.......If Barry has already told Ron >Dayne that he will play tailback next season, and guys like Tom >Lemming believe Dayne can be a significant contributor as a pure >freshman, where does this leave guys like Carl McCullough, Aaron >Stecker, Tirrell Robinson and the other lightning quick back that >redshirted this year who's name escapes me? I'm not sure, but I bet it leaves Ron Dayne redshirted for his freshman year. Just beacuse Tom Lemming says Dayne can contribute doesn't mean he will contribute. While I have your attention. Why do some people find it so hard to believe that returning starters on the o-line can't improve in the offseason. There have been several comments on this list to the effect of, "the o-line sucked this year, if the starters all return, it's going to suck again next year". We all know there is a lot of time for improvement including weight training and spring ball. In fact, it's comforting to think that the offensive line will be returning next year. Not only will they be bigger and stronger, but the guys coming up behind them will be bigger and stronger. Most of these guys are still maturing physically and emotionally. They can only get better as time goes on (at least as far as college ball is concerned). -- Steve Gort 205 W. William #201 Champaign, IL 61820 gort@uiuc.edu From 71202.3230@compuserve.com Wed Nov 29 21:53:06 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:53:05 -0600; AA22467 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:53:03 -0600 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id WAA05441; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:53:02 -0500 Date: 29 Nov 95 22:50:46 EST From: Jonathan Newlander <71202.3230@compuserve.com> To: bucky followers Subject: Question Message-Id: <951130035045_71202.3230_GHL81-1@CompuServe.COM> In the Nov. 15-21 issue of Badger Plus, there was a reference to something called the "Badger Recruiting Newsletter." Does anyone know who to contact to subscribe to it, how much it costs, etc.? I've seen ads now and then in Badger Plus for a 900 number recruiting hotline type of thing, but the article specifically mentioned the newsletter by name. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks. From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 06:44:39 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:44:37 -0600; AA28133 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:44:35 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:44:49 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 07:49:39 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 07:49:23 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:49:20 GMT-5 Subject: Re: 1992 Incident Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1F926212729@amber.indstate.edu> > What incident? I have been out in California for the last 5 years and > we don't get much hockey information out here. During the finals against Lake Superior State, there were a number of bad calls against the Badgers that some say cost them the game. After the game, a number of Badger players surrounded the referees and "verbally asaulted" them. Sauer, and those players, were suspended for a couple of games the next year. It doesn't seem like that big a deal, but I think it knocked the gloss off the program and showed that Sauer really isn't in control of his team. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 06:46:38 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:46:36 -0600; AA28160 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:46:34 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:46:48 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 07:51:37 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 07:51:21 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:51:14 GMT-5 Subject: RE: , Samuel, etc. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1F92E936EC8@amber.indstate.edu> > > Fire, and run out of town, whoever the heck is the special teams coach. > Anyone who knows anything about football, knows that special teams are > about 95% coaching, and that's not an exageration. I won't even bother > mentioning Hall's inconsistancy, more important are such things as the > kickoff return team, long snapping, punting and blocking in general The problem is that the special teams coach, whose name currently escapes me, is also the LB and strong safeties coach so you can imagine how much time he has to work with the special teams. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 06:57:00 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:56:56 -0600; AA28228 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 06:56:55 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:57:09 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:01:59 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:01:45 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:01:41 GMT-5 Subject: Re: Calm down! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1F95AE8100F@amber.indstate.edu> > The remarks about Mark Johnson becoming the next Badger coach were nothing > more than speculation about what would happen AFTER Jeff Sauer. When the son > of a legend is coaching a minor league team in town.....the speculation is > inevitable. Jon WAS NOT saying that Johnson should replace Sauer. He was > simply stating what others have said will EVENTUALLY happen. Face it. Jeff > Sauer's been around a long time. Who knows how long he wants to coach? If you think the talk around Madison is bad now, wait until the end of the year -- or even next year. Is there any reason to believe that things will get better? I don't see a great deal of talent coming in here. Not to be aloof, but this is Wisconsin we are talking about. In the late 1980s people were calling for his head because he hadn't won a championship in about six years. The difference between now and than is that Sauer ISN'T bringing in the talent anymore. I'm not calling for his head now, but I will if they end this season the way it started AND next year is just as bad. There is no reason to expect fans to stand by when one of the top programs in the country falls apart. (Again, I'm not saying that is happening now -- kind of.) Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 07:01:57 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:01:54 -0600; AA29093 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:01:52 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:02:06 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:06:56 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:06:32 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:06:27 GMT-5 Subject: Re: football recruiting Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1F96F545B1E@amber.indstate.edu> > Like many of you, I too am excited by the Badgers' early recruiting > results but I have a question.......If Barry has already told Ron > Dayne that he will play tailback next season, and guys like Tom > Lemming believe Dayne can be a significant contributor as a pure > freshman, where does this leave guys like Carl McCullough, Aaron > Stecker, Tirrell Robinson and the other lightning quick back that > redshirted this year who's name escapes me? Ah what a problem. I wonder how Nebraska deals with it? BTW, the speedy back you are talking about is Tony Williams. Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 07:32:53 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:32:49 -0600; AA29640 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:32:44 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:30:42 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:35:32 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 08:22:25 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:22:25 GMT-5 Subject: Re: OSU Game on TV Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1F9B315224D@amber.indstate.edu> > This response is long overdue but a lot of people have been asking about > Morton. Don Morton worked in management, training, and recruiting for > Lutheran Brotherhood for a few years and I believe he noe lives somewhere > in Michigan. I'm not sure who he is employed with though. I think it's about time to re-evaluate those Lutheran Brotherhood life insurance policies I own. :-) Jon *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Thu Nov 30 08:59:20 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:59:16 -0600; AA00590 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:59:15 -0600 Received: from by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AC17612; 4.1/42; Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:00:12 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951130084906.4192; 30 Nov 95 08:59:03 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: gort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:48:01 CST Subject: Re: next year and Re: football recruiting Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > I'm not sure, but I bet it leaves Ron Dayne redshirted for his freshman > year. Just beacuse Tom Lemming says Dayne can contribute doesn't mean he > will contribute. No kidding! I wouldn't expect to see Ron Dayne redshirted next year. Barry always plays pure freshman who can make an impact and I have an incredibly hard time believing a player with his talent and size isn't going to stand out as one of the few that gets that rare opportunity. > While I have your attention. Why do some people find it so hard to believe > that returning starters on the o-line can't improve in the offseason. I'm not saying they can't improve. I hope they do. But they have a long way to go. Hopefully a season like they one we just suffered through, combined with their abundant natural talent will come to the surface next year and make the difference. - Dave From todd@ra.me.wisc.edu Thu Nov 30 09:58:23 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:58:21 -0600; AA01397 Received: from ra.me.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:58:20 -0600 Received: by ra.me.wisc.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/19Jun95-0754PM) id AA12679; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:58:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:58:29 -0600 From: Todd Jekel Message-Id: <9511301558.AA12679@ra.me.wisc.edu> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: (smsnyder@students.wisc.edu) Subject: Re: Football musings Weems big plays are most often because he's out of position in the first place, an especially good example is the interception return for a TD he had, he was beat, and the guy just missed catching the ball. You may be right in general, but not on that play. He was behind the receiver and prepared to make the tackle. The receiver tipped the ball up and he caught it. He made no break on the ball, it was just being in the right place at the right time. I like Weems because he brings a physicalness to the defensive backfield, something Soup and Suttle often didn't. Todd -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd Jekel todd@ra.me.wisc.edu University of Wisconsin---Madison Solar Energy Laboratory 1500 Engineering Drive Madison, WI 53706 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From saunders@castor.che.wisc.edu Thu Nov 30 10:45:53 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:45:50 -0600; AA02064 Received: from io.che.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:45:49 -0600 Received: by io.che.wisc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15Jun95-0428PM) id AA18894; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:45:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:45:47 -0600 From: Brian Saunders Message-Id: <9511301645.AA18894@io.che.wisc.edu> To: DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu, bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: 1992 Incident >> What incident? I have been out in California for the last 5 years and >> we don't get much hockey information out here. > During the finals against Lake Superior State, there were a number of > bad calls against the Badgers that some say cost them the game. > After the game, a number of Badger players surrounded the referees > and "verbally asaulted" them. Sauer, and those players, were > suspended for a couple of games the next year. It doesn't seem like > that big a deal, but I think it knocked the gloss off the program and > showed that Sauer really isn't in control of his team. The funny thing is that all of this ended up meaningless. Wisconsin ended up having to forfeit almost every game that year, for a number of violations including booster-assisted housing for some of the players. It's a good thing we didn't win it, because it would have gotten taken away. :^) Brian From glaser@univbkstr.com Thu Nov 30 11:20:29 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 11:20:27 -0600; AA02554 Received: from mrcoffee.univbkstr.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 11:20:25 -0600 Received: from dickens.univbkstr.com (dickens.univbkstr.com [199.183.133.140]) by mrcoffee.univbkstr.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA16936 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:46:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:46:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199511301846.MAA16936@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com> X-Sender: glaser@mrcoffee.univbkstr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: glaser@univbkstr.com (Thomas Glaser) Subject: Re: football recruiting X-Mailer: >Like many of you, I too am excited by the Badgers' early recruiting >results but I have a question.......If Barry has already told Ron >Dayne that he will play tailback next season, and guys like Tom >Lemming believe Dayne can be a significant contributor as a pure >freshman, where does this leave guys like Carl McCullough, Aaron >Stecker, Tirrell Robinson and the other lightning quick back that >redshirted this year who's name escapes me? I think Penn State has a similair problem in their backfield. I have seen at least 5 guys play in the offensive backfield (Whittman, Archie, Pitts, Milne, Enis) with some regular frequency. I think this is a good problem to have. Doesn't Nebraska have that kind of depth in their backfield as well... I hear also that Wisconsin is not far from hearing a verbal from an prospective offensive lineman who weighs above 300 lbs and is a top 50 prep according to some people as well. I get this feeling come hell or high water we a going to continue the run the ball 80% of the time on first down. ------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Glaser glaser@univbkstr.com University Book Store http://www.univbkstr.com/ 711 State Street (608) 257-3784 Madison, WI 53703 (800) 993-BOOK From Lls52@aol.com Thu Nov 30 12:01:07 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:01:04 -0600; AA03024 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:01:02 -0600 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00639 for bucky@cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:01:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:01:01 -0500 From: Lls52@aol.com Message-Id: <951130130059_39440742@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule > Dec 31 Marquette, TBA Jonathan Enslin writes: >Obviously the reason there hasn't been a time set for this game is >because UW doesn't want to many fans around when Marquette >comes into >town and leaves with a twenty-point victory!!! >(Sorry, I have to occasionally let this list know that I am a >Marquette alum.) :-) First, my condolences to you on being a Marquette alumus. You must be in a 12 step program because you admit it so readily. I'm glad to see that you're overcoming the problems of your past! Actually, my enmity towards Marquette comes from the 70's when Marquette was championship team and the Badgers were pitiful - I guess I need a 12-stepper to let go of the past! Second, I suspect the reason the game time is tba is that I have an ancient schedule published by the Cap Times back in late August or September. I suspect the game time has since been established. By the way, does anyone know if the Marquette pep band still dresses up in uniforms and does their little marching routine when entering the Fieldhouse? We Badger fans used to take solice in the pitiful Marquette band to make up for the pitiful basketball Badgers! From bnotto@students.wisc.edu Thu Nov 30 12:27:00 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:26:57 -0600; AA03300 Received: from wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:26:56 -0600 Received: by wisc.edu; id AA27395; 5.57/37; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:32:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:32:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9511301832.AA27395@wisc.edu> X-Sender: bnotto@students.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bucky Badger s followers From: bnotto@students.wisc.edu (Brent N. Otto) Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule X-Mailer: >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:01:01 -0500 >Reply-To: Lls52@aol.com >Sender: owner-bucky@cs.wisc.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: Lls52@aol.com >To: Bucky Badger s Followers >Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule >X-To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu >X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN > >> Dec 31 Marquette, TBA > >Jonathan Enslin writes: >>Obviously the reason there hasn't been a time set for this game is >>because UW doesn't want to many fans around when Marquette >comes into >>town and leaves with a twenty-point victory!!! > >Second, I suspect the reason the game time is tba is that I have an ancient >schedule published by the Cap Times back in late August or September. I >suspect the game time has since been established. As far as I know, the Marquette-Wisconsin gametime has still not been determined yet for one reason: the Green Bay Packers. Last year, the Packers-Lions playoff game and Wisconsin-Marquette were in direct conflict with each other. This left a tough decision for those of us with an interest in the Packers as well as tickets to the basketball game. I think the UW is trying to avoid this problem if possible this year. If the Packers make the wildcard round, they'll play on December 30 or 31. If they would get a bye week in the playoffs, they would either play on January 6 or 7. Brent N. Otto From DEVENSLI@amber.indstate.edu Thu Nov 30 12:30:09 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:30:07 -0600; AA03382 Received: from indst.indstate.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 12:30:04 -0600 Received: from amber.indstate.edu by INDST.INDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 30 Nov 95 13:30:18 EST Received: from AMBER/SpoolDir by amber.indstate.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 13:35:08 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by AMBER (Mercury 1.21); 30 Nov 95 13:34:57 GMT-5 From: "Jonathan C. Enslin" Organization: Indiana State University To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:34:49 GMT-5 Subject: Re: Men's B-Ball Schedule Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1FEE8B70B1B@amber.indstate.edu> > First, my condolences to you on being a Marquette alumus. You must be in a 12 > step program because you admit it so readily. I'm glad to see that you're > overcoming the problems of your past! Actually, my enmity towards Marquette > comes from the 70's when Marquette was championship team and the Badgers were > pitiful - I guess I need a 12-stepper to let go of the past! A friend's father has a picture of Al Mc Guire on top of the scorers table at the MECCA pumping his fist and firing up the crowd after a close MU win. The father of Wisconsin's star player at the time is flipping off Mc Guire. Coach Powless is in the foreground walking off the floor with his head hung low. To top it off, the pic is autographed by Mc Guire. (I don't know what relevance this is...I'm just another MU alum living in the past.) > By the way, does anyone know if the Marquette pep band still dresses up in > uniforms and does their little marching routine when entering the Fieldhouse? > We Badger fans used to take solice in the pitiful Marquette band to make up > for the pitiful basketball Badgers! The Marquette band is the most pitiful musical group on the face of the earth. I had a friend in the band when I was there and they always made him wear this sickly yellow sweater and goofy hat. Same old songs every year. I do miss the old "Hamms Beer Song" that sounded like some kind of Indian dance. Too insulting for the new PC Marquette. Jon (Wondering exactly what newsgroup he is on!) *********************************************************************** Jonathan C. Enslin Associate Director of Development Indiana State Univerity Telephone: (812) 237-7609 Terre Haute, IN 47809 FAX: (812) 237-7797 "People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't realize how hard it is putting up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin *********************************************************************** From LUCIANI@printing.uwex.edu Thu Nov 30 15:09:59 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:09:56 -0600; AA05868 Received: from shaggy.uwex.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:09:55 -0600 Received: from charon1.uwex.edu by shaggy.uwex.edu; id AA20131; 4.1/42; Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:10:33 CST Received: From SCOOBY/WORKQUEUE by charon1.uwex.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951130150731.384; 30 Nov 95 15:09:25 +600 Message-Id: From: "Dave Luciani, CE Video" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension To: glaser@univbkstr.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:05:40 CST Subject: Re: football recruiting Cc: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > >Like many of you, I too am excited by the Badgers' early recruiting > >results but I have a question.......If Barry has already told Ron > >Dayne that he will play tailback next season, and guys like Tom > >Lemming believe Dayne can be a significant contributor as a pure > >freshman, where does this leave guys like Carl McCullough, Aaron > >Stecker, Tirrell Robinson and the other lightning quick back that > >redshirted this year who's name escapes me? > > I think Penn State has a similair problem in their backfield. I have seen > at least 5 guys play in the offensive backfield (Whittman, Archie, Pitts, > Milne, Enis) with some regular frequency. I think this is a good problem to > have. > > Doesn't Nebraska have that kind of depth in their backfield as well... I agree totally. This is a great problem to have. My only concern is that Barry and his staff don't seem to recruit defensive linemen with the same sort of intensity or generate the same amount of success that they do with running backs, wide receivers and o-linemen. Granted, a number of guys recruited as linebackers and d-linemen eventually wind up on the o-line, (Cory Raymer) but the opposite doesn't seem to happen. I can't remember a recruit starting out his UW career as an o-lineman and switching over to defense. Like the old woman used to say on the Wendy's commericals: Where's the beef? Brandon Williams is a horse, but he was redshirted this year as a freshman and is totally inexperienced. I see the defensive line (as a whole, Saleh is a god!) as a huge (no pun intended) weakness and I'm wondering who's gonna step in and make it better next season? Al Jackson left before we knew how good he was, and John Todryk showed promise until he ended up in the courtroom. Wonder where Barry and Co. are gonna look for answers? - Dave From djrose@pipeline.com Thu Nov 30 15:26:46 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:26:44 -0600; AA06171 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:26:42 -0600 Received: from pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.43]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA11084; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:26:37 -0500 (EST) From: "David J. Rosen" Received: (djrose@localhost) by pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA23341; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:26:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:26:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199511302126.QAA23341@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu Cc: djrose@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: football recruiting On Thu, Nov 30, 1995 8:06:27 AM at Jonathan C. Enslin wrote: >Ah what a problem. I wonder how Nebraska deals with it? BTW, the >speedy back you are talking about is Tony Williams. I agree. Barry should be lucky enough to have similar problems at every position. Incidentally, the*speedy back* could also be Charles Williams, from Terrell Fletcher's old high school. I don't know how serious Barry was with having Tony Williams playing fullback this season (4th on depth chart), but Charles Williams is definitely a quick, cutting TB. DAVID J. ROSEN NYC From smsnyder@students.wisc.edu Thu Nov 30 16:44:32 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 16:44:29 -0600; AA07253 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 16:44:28 -0600 Received: from [144.92.184.61] by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id QAA62775; 8.6.9W/42; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:44:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:44:26 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu From: smsnyder@students.wisc.edu >> >> Fire, and run out of town, whoever the heck is the special teams coach. >> Anyone who knows anything about football, knows that special teams are >> about 95% coaching, and that's not an exageration. I won't even bother >> mentioning Hall's inconsistancy, more important are such things as the >> kickoff return team, long snapping, punting and blocking in general > >The problem is that the special teams coach, whose name currently >escapes me, is also the LB and strong safeties coach so you can >imagine how much time he has to work with the special teams. > One last commment on this, I see the lack of time spent on special teams as being as much a sign of problems as it is the cause. Overlooking special teams will cost a football team this year the price being wins and even a bowl game. In '93 one could even argue the price was a national championship because of a blocked kick vs. OSU. Two more quick rambles to get off my chest, then I will be silent for a while, having spoken my peace. Criticism of Dick Bennet's coaching because of the team's slow style of play along with comparison to Yoder are way off the point. Ask anyone from the Green Bay area (myself included) what they think of Bennet and all you'll hear will be superlatives. The guy just plain wins, and gets the most from his players. And his slow paced game is an even better match against big time schools than it was against many of the smaller schools he played at Point and GB. Just wait to see how the teams like Michigan with their playground style and total lack of dicipline try to deal with a slower meticulous and error free style. They'll be so frustrated they'll make fools of themselves. Maybe the talent isn't quite there this year, but this will be in the future. About hocky, the sport just isn't that big in Wisconsin, and Madison during the program's "glory days" I think was more the exception than the norm. Not that many high schools have hocky programs, really in fact only the bigger richer schools, and nowhere near enough to make kids in this state want to be hocky players over football or baseball or basketball stars when they grow up. Steve Snyder From jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu Thu Nov 30 17:45:43 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:45:41 -0600; AA08219 Received: from students.wisc.edu by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:45:40 -0600 Received: from wha051.vilas.uwex.edu by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id RAA73962; 8.6.9W/42; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:45:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:45:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199511302345.RAA73962@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bucky Badger s Followers From: jmiskows@facstaff.wisc.edu (Jon Miskowski) Subject: Re: football recruiting >Barry and his staff don't seem to recruit defensive linemen ... >I see the defensive line (as a whole, Saleh is a god!) as a huge (no >pun intended) weakness and I'm wondering who's gonna step in and >make it better next season? They've gone after some big time defensive lineman in the last few years but except for Burke they missed on a lot of them. Maniecki and Thompson were pretty good. Spiller was highly rated but hasn't developed. I can't see how it can be better next year. It think we'll see Spiller, Jurewicz, Burke & Saleh--3 converted linebackers). Who else is there? What does Brandon Williams weigh? 250 lbs? Here's the only bigger question than the defensive line: who will snap for punts? Isn't there a limitation on how many years we can suffer through this. Please tell me one of the incoming recruits or a red shirted freshman is one of the best long snappers in the country. Jon Miskowski 608/263-0299 From scrowss@ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 30 22:59:39 1995 Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu by sea.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 22:59:37 -0600; AA12252 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by lucy.cs.wisc.edu; Thu, 30 Nov 95 22:59:34 -0600 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA01476; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:59:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:59:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199512010459.UAA01476@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: scrowss@ix.netcom.com (Sharon ) Subject: Wisconsin-Drake To: wbball-l@psuvm.psu.edu To: bucky@lucy.cs.wisc.edu To: womens-hoops@netcom.com First of all, I do not think that Minnesota coach Linda Hill-MacDonald is a good recruiter. And tonight I am very glad of that. Minnesota natives Tricia Wakely and Kiersten Miller are as good as any two players in the Big 10 and I'm glad Wisconsin doesn't have to see them twice a year in the league. The game itself was pretty simple. Two very good teams threw it down and went at it. It wasn't always artistic but it was always entertaining. Each team's biggest lead was 6 points. There were 11 ties and 9 lead changes. Finally, the Badgers showed more heart than pretty much any Wisconsin women's basketball team has shown in my memory. They scrapped and outscored a very good Drake team 15-11 in the final 6:12 enroute to a 82-78 win. Frankly, this was probably a game Wisconsin should have lost. They did not play well in the first half. The major weakness in this Badger team is it's lack of speed and quickness. In the first half Drake consistently beat the Badgers down the court. Drake deserves a lot of credit for consistently hustling, but, there is no excuse for an opponents post players to beat the defense down the court and that happened on several occasions. The Badgers also seemed to be out to set a record for steals in the half. They did have 6 steals in the first half. However, there were many more times that Bucky missed steals which resulted in players being out of position and in defensive mismatches. And Drake capitalized big time. I will say it again. Drake is a very good team. They moved the ball beautifully, consistently found the open player and shot well (50% from the field and 66.7 from 3 point land.) Drake jumped out to an early lead on 6 points by Wakely. The Badgers tied it at 8 on a Barb Franke layup at the 15:36 mark. With Wisconsin up 14-11, Badger freshman Amy Wiersma blocked two of Wakely's shots in the same possession. Wiersma hit a free throw and Franke got 2 more and it looked like Wisc was ready to make a run. But Drake came back on a Nikole Hennigan jump shot and 2 more baskets by Wakely and tied the game at 17. And that was basically how the game went. Several times it looked like one team or the other was ready to put some distance behind them but the other team always answered. For Drake it was Wakely in the first half. She finished the half with 20 points. Kiersten Miller scored 14 in each half and carried Drake late in the second half. Wisconsin never got in synch offensively. Again, a lot of the credit goes to Drake. They switched defenses consistently, rarely were out of position and gave up very few easy shots. However, the Badgers had virtually no perimeter offense (3-13 from three point range.) And the offense just wasn't as fluid as it had been in the exhibition games. It just seemed like they were forcing a lot of passes. But Wisconsin kept fighting. I was very impressed with their heart and character. Wisconsin didn't put the game away until a full-court pass to Keisha Anderson on an inbounds play with 11 seconds to play. But they did put it away. If Drake can play any better than they played tonight, they'll be real scary. The Badgers can play better, and that makes this an excellent win for Bucky. I think there were 2 reasons why Wisconsin won this game. One is to be expected the other a surprise. The expected was Barb Franke. As good as Tricia Wakely and Kiersten Miller were, Franke was better. Not by a lot, but it was enough to give Wisconsin a 4 point win. Franke had 32 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, 4 steals and 1 assist. She also had a number of big defense stops. Just as important, she stayed out of foul trouble and had only 1 turnover (and it wasn't even for traveling.) The surprise was the Badger bench. A number of players came off the bench to make large plays. Freshman Tanisha Boston is not as heralded as her classmate Amy Wiersma. But I will not be at all surprised if Tanisha ends up being the better player. She's going to be awesome. At 4:11, Wisconsin led by 4. The five players on the court were Barb Franke, Keisha Anderson, Tanisha Boston, Karie Cattanach and Jenny Rhodes. Jennah Hartwig subbed for Tanisha at 2:40. Those were the 6 that won the game. Ann Klapperich subbed for Hartwig at :11 so she could throw the full court pass to Anderson. It's looking more and more that depth will be a major strength and not a weakness for this team. Attendance was 4524. I'll try to post the boxscore tomorrow. -- Sharon Official Team Representative of the 199ahhh something Big Ten Women's Basketball Champion Wisconsin Badgers scrowss@ix.netcom.com GO BADGERS